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Get Your Butt Back To The Office (2 Viewers)

Keerock said:
Well if they mandate your butt in your seat at 8:30am, then it should leave the seat at 5:30pm (or whenever your official day ends).  If they can't be flexible with your hours then neither should you.
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Oh that's a big heck yes.  I have yet to stay here until 5:30 any day so far.  I'm usually gone by 4:45-5pm latest.

 
Keerock said:
In IT, they have been trying this for years, and it rarely works out as they think.  Far remote/offshore workforces are most times difficult to communicate/collaborate with, do not possess the hard or soft skills advertised/necessary and are notoriously unloyal (will jump to another job for $500).  This takes it's toll in lack of continuity, team moral, and turnover related onboarding/offboarding/training costs. 

I have managed IT teams for 20 years, including the "edict" to hire from India/Mexico/Taiwan.  Even in my current role I have 3 open positions slated for "far remote" hires.  Granted, these 3 roles are backfills for a single head in the US because they are more affordable, they're difficult to fill with quality/qualified candidates and keep them filled.

As for the original topic... WFH is here to stay for the roles that can be done that way.  Management needs to adjust the way we manage, motivate, collaborate and evaluate our workforce to support WFH.  I've done it and believe that I'm very effective at it now.

FWIW... I do recognize that everyone is different, and some personalities crave the social interaction that comes with going into the office.  Luckily for me, that doesn't describe the bulk of the IT workforce :D ... myself included.
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Interesting development re: the bolded above... Because the company is frustrated with the quality of people we have hired in India over the last year, we are shutting down our office in Bangalore and moving our offshore hiring to Kuala Lumpur.  We'll see how that works out.  Regardless, I'd MUCH rather visit Malaysia than India.

 
Hello FFA friends-

This is only tangentially related to the topic, but I have no better place to put it. 

When I returned to the office last week, I realized that I had forgotten the most important advice I ever got from the FFA. Others may have done the same over the last two years. Still others weren't around when this advice was first disseminated. So, as a public service message to my fellow returning while collar workers in the FFA:

Tuck your undershirt into your boxers or briefs! 

Yours in Christ,

TobiasFunke aka Toby2

 
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Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Hello FFA friends-

This is only tangentially related to the topic, but I have no better place to put it. 

When I returned to the office last week, I realized that I had forgotten the most important advice I ever got from the FFA. Others may have done the same over the last two years. Still others weren't around when this advice was first disseminated. So, as a public service message to my fellow returning while collar workers in the FFA:

Tuck your undershirt into your boxers or briefs! 

Yours in Christ,

TobiasFunke aka Toby2
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You are definitely the dorkiest dork who ever dorked if you do this.

 
I walked around the office yesterday. On a floor with at least 100 offices/cubes, I think there were 4 of us on the floor. Other parts of the building are fairly well occupied, but our particular floor is mostly empty. I think its interesting that most of the attorneys don't mind coming in, but the support staff are all adamant about working from home. 

 
FBG26 said:
I walked around the office yesterday. On a floor with at least 100 offices/cubes, I think there were 4 of us on the floor. Other parts of the building are fairly well occupied, but our particular floor is mostly empty. I think its interesting that most of the attorneys don't mind coming in, but the support staff are all adamant about working from home. 
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Nobody likes being around attorneys besides other attorneys?

 
jobarules said:
Nobody likes being around attorneys besides other attorneys?
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True, especially patent attorneys. They are the worst. 

I guess I didn't think only 4 attorney on the floor would cause the 6 paralegals and 90 IT, HR, and misc people to stay far away, but you might be on to something. 

 
nirad3 said:
It's Tuesday, which for me means... no early meetings = sleep in, watch Price is Right while sipping coffee, then a 20-minute walk around the 'hood with the dog.  And then there'll be a drink in hand no later than 4pm today.  Wheeeee!
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belljr said:
We were just told 2 days wfh a week. Most of us work 9 days 80 hours meaning you have off one day every 2 weeks.  Those ####ers are counting that as a wfh day.......
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Wonder why a business owner might operate this way? 

 
And I'm more annoyed that my day off is considered wfh.....

So for example I asked to wfh t&w every week you know to make things consistent.

No I have to be in office m, w, th one week and m, th, f.  The other.  That level "petty" pisses me off.   I already have my passive aggressive ways to deal with it lol.  Our company said they would require only 1 a week but the division heads can change. So our manager wants 3...... Their big issue is they think more gets done in person, with people able to go to someone desk instead of MS Teams

Well I'm not logging into the teams in the office.  I'll make him get up if he needs me #pettyiknow 

 
FBG26 said:
True, especially patent attorneys. They are the worst. 

I guess I didn't think only 4 attorney on the floor would cause the 6 paralegals and 90 IT, HR, and misc people to stay far away, but you might be on to something. 
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You guys have paralegals?  
our office has over 50 attorneys.  Two paralegals and one executive assistant. One paralegal basically does IT while the other does hiring actions and other stuff. None do typical paralegal stuff.  
Of course we’ve been almost paperless over the past two years and we don’t go to court (we do have hearings), so that helps. 

No set timeline to return to the office yet, hoping to keep two WFH days weekly when we do. The ability to take a meeting while wearing a t shirt and towel is underrated. 

 
Moving from 2 days a week in office to 3 next week, Tuesday - Thursday. People handled it pretty well.  I think if you would have told us 2 years ago we were moving to a 3 day in office week, people would have done cartwheels.  I think this setup will take the best from both worlds.

 
Heading back to the office on Monday for the first time since March 11, 2020.

The plan is two (2) days per week.  For now we can pick those days (except those reporting to me have to come in when i do basically).  I am choosing Monday and Thursday for now.  I suspect we may move to 3x per week at some point, but we shall see.

I traveled for work for the first time since 2020 twice now as well (each of the last two weeks).

I am not so sure that I feel comfortable attending a company conference with 200+ people though at the end of April.  But it looks like 90%+ of typical attendees are going -- not sure what I am going to do or how it may look.

 
Things really shifted fast for me, a lot of shuffling more or less landed me an offer to be 99% remote.  

I had sort of worked out a 35-40% in office plan and was ok with that.  Was interesting that part of the new offer was "you don't really want to go to the office everyday, surely?"  

It would be doing a lot more off hours calls overseas and stuff, which is fine instead of normal 9-5.  Strongly considering it.  #1 benefit is no training of NCGs.  Jesus Christ #### that ####.

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Hello FFA friends-

This is only tangentially related to the topic, but I have no better place to put it. 

When I returned to the office last week, I realized that I had forgotten the most important advice I ever got from the FFA. Others may have done the same over the last two years. Still others weren't around when this advice was first disseminated. So, as a public service message to my fellow returning while collar workers in the FFA:

Tuck your undershirt into your boxers or briefs! 

Yours in Christ,

TobiasFunke aka Toby2
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Welcome back gb.

Bettter advice is to get a job where undershirts aren't needed.

 
Been back in the office 4x/week since June 2021. Over Christmas as Omicron was rearing it's head, they had us stay at home for 2 weeks but back in mid-January 4x/week.

It's been a real pain the ### trying to recruit people who would much rather work from home and I think our job posting/HR page proves it so. There are a LOT more postings on there than I have ever seen because it has proven difficult to hire people. Have recently heard we might go to 3/2 instead of 4/1.

While I appreciate going to office to some extent, 3/2 would be my preferred choice because it just seems like my office days are just taken up with meetings that are 50% in person/50% zoom and way too many "drive-by" meetings from people stopping by my office. I don't have that same problem at home. 

I think I am going to start scheduling 15 minute meetings so we can get #### done and move on. And no more hour meetings just because it's convenient to block the calendar that way. 

 
First day back in over 2 years.  

It sucks. Many of us are wearing masks not out of an abundance of concern (there is still some) but because our management went against recommended policy of 2 days a week and made it 3 with no necessary reason other than "because".   They want to "see everyone's faces" , its better in office , BLAH BLAH BLAH..... We had zero wfh policy and I always tried too, so yeah its better than nothing but we're still angry that other groups get to follow the recommended policy and we aren't.  And on top of that - i work a condensed schedule so i have off every other friday.  So they count that as a WFH day..... 

/first world problems I know

I just don't like the way its been handled.   And for arbitrary reasons. I just did my job well from home for 2 years.  And they wouldn't let anyone go to the office if they wanted, and now we "have" to?  bs

If we followed the "companies recommend" policy I wouldn't care

 
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belljr said:
First day back in over 2 years.  

It sucks. Many of us are wearing masks not out of an abundance of concern (there is still some) but because our management went against recommended policy of 2 days a week and made it 3 with no necessary reason other than "because".   They want to "see everyone's faces" , its better in office , BLAH BLAH BLAH..... We had zero wfh policy and I always tried too, so yeah its better than nothing but we're still angry that other groups get to follow the recommended policy and we aren't.  And on top of that - i work a condensed schedule so i have off every other friday.  So they count that as a WFH day..... 

/first world problems I know

I just don't like the way its been handled.   And for arbitrary reasons. I just did my job well from home for 2 years.  And they wouldn't let anyone go to the office if they wanted, and now we "have" to?  bs

If we followed the companies recommend policy I wouldn't care
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I know you've mentioned that before but seems sketchy to me. Better than unemployment I guess.

I prefer to work at the office but it's not a pain in the neck for me. I live 4 miles away and most everyone I work with enjoy working together. I don't mind wfh, just hate going from one to the other constantly. I don't have a dedicated office at home so that's probably some of it but still don't mind coming into work. I know, "OK Boomer".

 
belljr said:
First day back in over 2 years.  

It sucks. Many of us are wearing masks not out of an abundance of concern (there is still some) but because our management went against recommended policy of 2 days a week and made it 3 with no necessary reason other than "because".   They want to "see everyone's faces" , its better in office , BLAH BLAH BLAH..... We had zero wfh policy and I always tried too, so yeah its better than nothing but we're still angry that other groups get to follow the recommended policy and we aren't.  And on top of that - i work a condensed schedule so i have off every other friday.  So they count that as a WFH day..... 

/first world problems I know

I just don't like the way its been handled.   And for arbitrary reasons. I just did my job well from home for 2 years.  And they wouldn't let anyone go to the office if they wanted, and now we "have" to?  bs

If we followed the companies recommend policy I wouldn't care
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time to freshen up the resume and search indeed for "permanently remote" positions. 

 
Elon not a fan of WFH:

Tesla’s white-collar staff face a stark choice: return to the office like their colleagues on the assembly line—or start cleaning out their desks.

In a leaked email from Elon Musk sent on Tuesday titled “Remote work is no longer acceptable,” the polarizing centibillionaire said only in extreme cases where this was deemed impossible would he personally decide whether to reconsider his decree.

“Anyone who wishes to do remote work must be in the office for a minimum (and I mean *minimum*) of 40 hours per week or depart Tesla,” he wrote in an email shared by Tesla shareholder Sam Nissim.
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ignatiusjreilly said:
Elon not a fan of WFH:
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Why do you think Elon is pushing for 40 hours in the office?

He seems like a reasonable person.  If his employees are equally productive from home, the savings on office space should compell him to support WFH.  Do the last 2 years of tracking indicate that his employees are less productive?  Maybe some engineers develop ideas better together rather than alone?  Or maybe labor driven employees need to be in office to derive max productivity?

 
Caveman33 said:
Why do you think Elon is pushing for 40 hours in the office?

He seems like a reasonable person.  If his employees are equally productive from home, the savings on office space should compell him to support WFH.  Do the last 2 years of tracking indicate that his employees are less productive?  Maybe some engineers develop ideas better together rather than alone?  Or maybe labor driven employees need to be in office to derive max productivity?
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To help justify cutting jobs.  

 
belljr said:
We went back 3 weeks ago.... it sucked as much as I recall
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Im only going in one day and the place will be a ghost town so not so bad. We will see how I feel after Monday. I think they want us in the office 2-3 days a week starting after Labor Day. Its entirely voluntary now.

 
We have 3 days a week in the office, but that is a "loose" 3 days. For example in July I will remote work in Denver for a couple weeks.

Most people seem to like this approach.

 
Caveman33 said:
Why do you think Elon is pushing for 40 hours in the office?

He seems like a reasonable person.  If his employees are equally productive from home, the savings on office space should compell him to support WFH.  Do the last 2 years of tracking indicate that his employees are less productive?  Maybe some engineers develop ideas better together rather than alone?  Or maybe labor driven employees need to be in office to derive max productivity?
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I suspect at least part of the reason is that Musk is an attention whore.

 
We went back in two weeks ago, most groups one day a week except those that had already been working from the office due to necessity. After first day back, we get the notification that there was an employee that tested positive that worked at the location the day we were in, but deemed a low exposure. We went in the following week for our one day. Two days later they rolled back into only critical resources that can't work from home were required to come in. We'll see when they decide to move back into the transition back to the office phase.

 
jobarules said:
Im only going in one day and the place will be a ghost town so not so bad. We will see how I feel after Monday. I think they want us in the office 2-3 days a week starting after Labor Day. Its entirely voluntary now.
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Well TBH I didnt like going in pre-covid :)

 
We officially are 50% in the office (being onsite at another company counts as in office). 

In practice my group now has to come in on Tuesdays, and most of us only come in that day. We also have other meetings infrequently where we are asked to be in person.  I don't mind that so much, and one day a week is perfectly fine with me.  

Our larger division is strongly considering also having one set mandatory day a week, the term I hear is an 'Anchor Day'.  I think the higher ups want folks socializing more and keeping up the company 'culture'.  

We had a mandatory event this week, where everyone was expected in the office.  Everyone was there for the most part, and it was fine.  But it was so damn noisy in the office I left early to go get some work done.  

 
My company has not tried to enforce a return to office.  It's up to each employee and their manager to work out.  So far, my manager has not put any pressure on me to return.  The few times I've gone in this year, the building has been completely empty.  With gas prices through the roof and a 50 minute commute, I see very little incentive to go back.  However, I am absolutely way more productive when I'm in the office.  I'm also pretty much guaranteed to hit my exercise goal.  I like the idea of forcing myself in 1 day a week.

 
belljr said:
Ours makes zero sense. They let everyone pick their own days so 75% of the time you need to use zoom/teams anyway
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Yeah, they touch on that some in the article.  What you guys are doing really is pointless.  I remember somebody suggesting that our team each pick a different day to have coverage - yet, we don't have anything that warrants it.  If we are all showing up different days then it's totally meaningless.  And with what I do, I'm constantly meeting with other teams, many of them in India or other non-US locations.  Leadership just needs to embrace it.  "Just get your work done" should be the mantra.

 
It's still early, but I like having a set day of the week (Tuesday) that my whole team is in the office.  Seems to be less work accomplished those days, but at least I'm not alone in the office.  I also rarely make it past mid-afternoon before heading to the house to finish the day.  

We've also had a few mandatory events.  Those have been nice to see folks in other departments in person.  

I've heard this type of setup called 'Anchor days'.  I think the idea will catch on, I also think companies will continue to have to adapt and take employees desires into consideration or they will have trouble attracting and retaining talent.  

 
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