GnR : Appetite For Destruction (1 Viewer)

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As for marketing, it sold 15 million copies in 3 years despite the fact it didn't have a single ballad nor did it have a 4th single/video. Contemporary albums ALWAYS had a ballad come out 3rd yet GNR's 3rd single was a rock song featuring a 2 minute double-time guitar solo at the end.

Wouldn't you consider Sweet Child O' Mine a ballad?

Patience was a Ballad. SCoM is not a ballad.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I also think Ten is a great album but I'm not sure it belongs in the same conversation with these other two. A conversation about Nirvana, Pearl Jam, STP, and Alice in Chains would be interesting.

I don't really think they are in the same league as Nirvana, PJ and AIC. I'd argue that AIC is the best band out of those 4, they didn't rely on any one album like Nirvana and especially PJ did.I'd rank the Seattle/grunge era bands:

AIC

Nirvana

Sceaming Trees

Soundgarden

Pearl Jam

Huh? You do realize Pearl Jam still regularly sells out 25,000 seat arenas all over the world, right?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Manic Street Preachers - "The Holy Bible"

 

[Abraham]

And to address one thing, you said, "It's one of the only rock records of the era (harkening back to the Stones' best work) where the guitarists are doing unique things at the same time and the bass isn't just mimicing the bass note of the rhythm guitar." That is absolutely not true AT ALL.

Examples? The biggest bands of that time - Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Poison, Kiss (to a degree) - all had one guitar and very simple guitar work. I'm not talking about soloing but rather unique things going on with two guitars at once during the meat of the song. Ozzy's guys, Metallica, Megadeth...who else?

 

[travdogg]

I'd rank the Seattle/grunge era bands:AICNirvanaSceaming TreesSoundgardenPearl Jam

Huh? You do realize Pearl Jam still regularly sells out 25,000 seat arenas all over the world, right?

So what? Are you telling me if Staley and Cobain were still alive that AIC and Nirvana wouldn't be?Hell, the Jonas Brothers probably sell out arenas too. Sales probably aren't a solid indication of greatness.

 

[Abraham]

I'd rank the Seattle/grunge era bands:AICNirvanaSceaming TreesSoundgardenPearl Jam

Huh? You do realize Pearl Jam still regularly sells out 25,000 seat arenas all over the world, right?

So what? Are you telling me if Staley and Cobain were still alive that AIC and Nirvana wouldn't be?Hell, the Jonas Brothers probably sell out arenas too. Sales probably aren't a solid indication of greatness.

You're overthinking how popular AIC was. PJ still sells out shows because of a very careful and dedicated marketing effort to fans over the last 15 years. Agree that it's not much of an indicator, but still.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

either Sublime album

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

And to address one thing, you said, "It's one of the only rock records of the era (harkening back to the Stones' best work) where the guitarists are doing unique things at the same time and the bass isn't just mimicing the bass note of the rhythm guitar." That is absolutely not true AT ALL.

Examples? The biggest bands of that time - Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Poison, Kiss (to a degree) - all had one guitar and very simple guitar work. I'm not talking about soloing but rather unique things going on with two guitars at once during the meat of the song. Ozzy's guys, Metallica, Megadeth...who else?

izzy's rythms under slash's melodies =

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'd rank the Seattle/grunge era bands:AICNirvanaSceaming TreesSoundgardenPearl Jam

Huh? You do realize Pearl Jam still regularly sells out 25,000 seat arenas all over the world, right?

So what? Are you telling me if Staley and Cobain were still alive that AIC and Nirvana wouldn't be?Hell, the Jonas Brothers probably sell out arenas too. Sales probably aren't a solid indication of greatness.

Never said it was an indication of greatness. I'm saying that they aren't riding on one album, as you said. They've had a number of critically acclaimed release since that still go gold and platinum despite aboslutely no radio play or videos.

 

[rotohuff]

Anyone digging GNR's new album yet? This could end up truly being a masterpiece.

"There was a Time", "Better", "IRS", "Madagascar", "Street of Dreams" all just totally rule.

 

[LHUCKS]

It is a matter of taste, but What's the Story (Morning Glory) by Oasis is at least equally good.

Oasis is one of my 5 favorite groups, but this is ludicrous.

I disagree with the statement as well, but "What's the Story" was an amazing album...probaly would rank it top 5 of the last 20 years.

 

[The Juggernaut]

I also think Ten is a great album but I'm not sure it belongs in the same conversation with these other two. A conversation about Nirvana, Pearl Jam, STP, and Alice in Chains would be interesting.

I don't really think they are in the same league as Nirvana, PJ and AIC. I'd argue that AIC is the best band out of those 4, they didn't rely on any one album like Nirvana and especially PJ did.I'd rank the Seattle/grunge era bands:

AIC

Nirvana

Sceaming Trees

Soundgarden

Pearl Jam

Not sure what "relying" on an album means....Ten is an great album, and the band shouldn't be penalized b/c it sold 13 million copies.ETA: all of the "popular" seattle bands are/were great as far as being musicians. It's a damn shame Cobain/Staley killed themselves. GB being a teenager in the early 90s. Music was freaking increadible then

On the other hand, the chicks in flannel shirts and baggy jeans sucked hardcore.

 

[Big_Russel]

Anyone digging GNR's new album yet? This could end up truly being a masterpiece."There was a Time", "Better", "IRS", "Madagascar", "Street of Dreams" all just totally rule.

You cant be serious.

 

[itriple]

I love GnR but Im going with Red Hot Chili Peppers BSSM.

 

[Gr00vus]

Soundgarden's Superunknown nearly flawless save for the awful "Spoonman"...

This one or Badmotorfinger.

That said, my favorite GNR song - Night Train - is the essence of everything right with rock and roll

 

[zDragon]

I love GnR but Im going with Red Hot Chili Peppers BSSM.

 

[Gr00vus]

either Sublime album

Also And I'm on board with Dirt as well - though it doesn't exactly have tons of "fun" moments.

 

[jdoggydogg]

say:any Kings of Leon album1st and 3rd Strokes albumsModest Mouse Good News... and We Were Dead....

I'm not even a GnR fan, but those CDs don't even come close to Appetite.

 

[jdoggydogg]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I prefer these all to Appetite:

System of a Down - Toxicity

Tenacious D

Nirvana - Nevermind

Stone Temple Pilots - Purple

Soundgarden - Superunknown

That said, even though I am not a GnR fan, it's hard to say the above are better. GnR is a band that while I don't own their stuff, it's hard to deny their greatness.

 

[Jack Burton]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

Yes. I do think I know what bubblegum rock is ... although opinions do vary. Even if I dont know what it is, there is no way I'll ever give credit to any dude who wears a headband, a leather jacket w/ buckles, bicycle shorts and sings lyrics like... "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girsl are pretty". GnR were glam rock with a twist. They are seriously lame. I heard chinese democ on the radio yesterday and it sucked more than any GnR song that ever sucked.

 

[jdoggydogg]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

Yes. I do think I know what bubblegum rock is ... although opinions do vary. Even if I dont know what it is, there is no way I'll ever give credit to any dude who wears a headband, a leather jacket w/ buckles, bicycle shorts and sings lyrics like... "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girsl are pretty". GnR were glam rock with a twist. They are seriously lame. I heard chinese democ on the radio yesterday and it sucked more than any GnR song that ever sucked.

I think if you look at pics of rock bands throughout the years, you will see some pretty hilarious clothes and makeup. So I don't think it's fair to use that to solely define GnR. I'm not trying to convince you to like GnR, that clearly won't happen. But dismissing them as Bubblegum Rock isn't unfair, it's simply inaccurate.To try to clear this up, I looked up Bubblegum Rock on Google:

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum rock, bubblegum music, or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music whose classic period ran from 1967 to 1972. The chief characteristics of the genre are that it is pop music contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens, is produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and using faceless singers, and has an intangible, upbeat "bubblegum" sound. The songs typically have singalong choruses, seemingly childlike themes and a contrived innocence, occasionally combined with an undercurrent of sexual double entendre. They also have a catchy melody, simple chords, simple harmonies, danceable beats, and repetitive riffs or "hooks". The song lyrics often concern romantic love, but are notable for their frequent reference to sugary food, including sugar, honey, jelly and marmalade.

 

[commisholio]

Not to inflame the masses but Appetite and Ten are two of the most dated and overrated albums of all time. Same goes for the bands that created them.Blood Sugar Sex Magik is much better than either and the fact that not one person has named Surfer Rosa is borderline despicable.

Surfer Rosa is better than AFD and Ten put together, in my opinion. I'm 35 and I thought both AFD and Tem were horribly overrated then and now.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Not to inflame the masses but Appetite and Ten are two of the most dated and overrated albums of all time. Same goes for the bands that created them.Blood Sugar Sex Magik is much better than either and the fact that not one person has named Surfer Rosa is borderline despicable.

Surfer Rosa is better than AFD and Ten put together, in my opinion. I'm 35 and I thought both AFD and Tem were horribly overrated then and now.

I like them all

 

[commisholio]

Not to inflame the masses but Appetite and Ten are two of the most dated and overrated albums of all time. Same goes for the bands that created them.

Blood Sugar Sex Magik is much better than either and the fact that not one person has named Surfer Rosa is borderline despicable.

I love that album, but I'm not sure its mainstream enough. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't even know who it's by. Also, I'm not sure its even their best album, what makes it better than Doolittle?

Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

 

[warpedone]

I agree but only because The Joshua Tree came three months sooner.

 

[Jack Burton]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

Yes. I do think I know what bubblegum rock is ... although opinions do vary. Even if I dont know what it is, there is no way I'll ever give credit to any dude who wears a headband, a leather jacket w/ buckles, bicycle shorts and sings lyrics like... "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girsl are pretty". GnR were glam rock with a twist. They are seriously lame.

I heard chinese democ on the radio yesterday and it sucked more than any GnR song that ever sucked.

I think if you look at pics of rock bands throughout the years, you will see some pretty hilarious clothes and makeup. So I don't think it's fair to use that to solely define GnR. I'm not trying to convince you to like GnR, that clearly won't happen. But dismissing them as Bubblegum Rock isn't unfair, it's simply inaccurate.To try to clear this up, I looked up Bubblegum Rock on Google:

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum rock, bubblegum music, or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music whose classic period ran from 1967 to 1972. The chief characteristics of the genre are that it is pop music contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens, is produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and using faceless singers, and has an intangible, upbeat "bubblegum" sound. The songs typically have singalong choruses, seemingly childlike themes and a contrived innocence, occasionally combined with an undercurrent of sexual double entendre. They also have a catchy melody, simple chords, simple harmonies, danceable beats, and repetitive riffs or "hooks". The song lyrics often concern romantic love, but are notable for their frequent reference to sugary food, including sugar, honey, jelly and marmalade.

No that doesnt sound like GnR at all. Im way off on this one. I concede to logic. I have nothing more to add.

 

[Bonzai]

Not to inflame the masses but Appetite and Ten are two of the most dated and overrated albums of all time. Same goes for the bands that created them.

Blood Sugar Sex Magik is much better than either and the fact that not one person has named Surfer Rosa is borderline despicable.

I love that album, but I'm not sure its mainstream enough. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't even know who it's by. Also, I'm not sure its even their best album, what makes it better than Doolittle?

Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

I didn't realize those Pixies albums came out after AFD...

 

[travdogg]

Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

"Here Comes Your Man" does kinda drag the album down, but Surfer Rosa comes to a screeching halt with Broken Face. They both have some filler to me.Surfer Rosa has 5 greats: Where Is My Mind, Bone Machine, Cactus, I'm Amazed and the underrated Brick Is Red.Doolittle also has 5 greats: Monkey Gone To Heaven, Hey, Gouge Away, Mr. Grieves and my personal favorite I Bleed.If I had to pick one I'd go with Surfer Rosa, but I think the consensus would probably be Doolittle.

 

[SlimShady]

Janes Addiction Nothing Shocking

Smashing Pumpkins Gish

RHCP-Blood Sugar Sex Majik

Sublime-Sublime

Cure-Disintegration

Radiohead- OK Computer

 

[SlimShady]

Soundgarden's Superunknown nearly flawless save for the awful "Spoonman"...

This one or Badmotorfinger.

That said, my favorite GNR song - Night Train - is the essence of everything right with rock and roll

I agree on Badmotorfinger, great album

 

[yinzer]

I'd put Appetite and Nevermind in the top tier, probably Ten as well. Personally I don't think much of anything Pearl Jam did after Ten, but Ten is an almost flawless album. I guess if forced to choose I'd take Nevermind since it has the highest peaks in my opinion.

Loved the Screaming Trees mention, they are incredibly underrated, they needed to come out about 5 years earlier or 5 years later and they would have big. Sweet Oblivion is probably a top-5 favorite of mine.

I'd put Dirt, Metallica(self-titled) and Rage(self-titled) as equally good as the top tier, but you have to be in a certain mood to really enjoy any of them.

I'd rank Songs for the Deaf by Queens of the Stone Age as the top rock album of the 00's.

Screaming Trees - Sweet OblivionScreaming Trees - Dust

both of those should be in the conversation

Green Day - Dookie

Im surprised I didnt see that 1 mentioned more than once

 

[jdoggydogg]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

Yes. I do think I know what bubblegum rock is ... although opinions do vary. Even if I dont know what it is, there is no way I'll ever give credit to any dude who wears a headband, a leather jacket w/ buckles, bicycle shorts and sings lyrics like... "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girsl are pretty". GnR were glam rock with a twist. They are seriously lame.

I heard chinese democ on the radio yesterday and it sucked more than any GnR song that ever sucked.

I think if you look at pics of rock bands throughout the years, you will see some pretty hilarious clothes and makeup. So I don't think it's fair to use that to solely define GnR. I'm not trying to convince you to like GnR, that clearly won't happen. But dismissing them as Bubblegum Rock isn't unfair, it's simply inaccurate.To try to clear this up, I looked up Bubblegum Rock on Google:

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum rock, bubblegum music, or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music whose classic period ran from 1967 to 1972. The chief characteristics of the genre are that it is pop music contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens, is produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and using faceless singers, and has an intangible, upbeat "bubblegum" sound. The songs typically have singalong choruses, seemingly childlike themes and a contrived innocence, occasionally combined with an undercurrent of sexual double entendre. They also have a catchy melody, simple chords, simple harmonies, danceable beats, and repetitive riffs or "hooks". The song lyrics often concern romantic love, but are notable for their frequent reference to sugary food, including sugar, honey, jelly and marmalade.

No that doesnt sound like GnR at all. Im way off on this one. I concede to logic. I have nothing more to add.

You mentioned Pearl Jam. Are you implying that PJ doesn't have singalong choruses, catchy melodies, simple chords, simple harmonies, and repetitive riffs or "hooks"?

 

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Janes Addiction Nothing Shocking - OPEN FOR DEBATE BUT WEAK CASE

Smashing Pumpkins Gish - IF 2ND HALF SOUNDED LIKE 1ST HALF - MAYBE

RHCP-Blood Sugar Sex Majik - OPEN FOR DEBATE

Sublime-Sublime - NOT REALLY ROCK

Cure-Disintegration - NOT ROCK

Radiohead- OK Computer - NOT ROCK

 

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Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

"Here Comes Your Man" does kinda drag the album down, but Surfer Rosa comes to a screeching halt with Broken Face. They both have some filler to me.Surfer Rosa has 5 greats: Where Is My Mind, Bone Machine, Cactus, I'm Amazed and the underrated Brick Is Red.Doolittle also has 5 greats: Monkey Gone To Heaven, Hey, Gouge Away, Mr. Grieves and my personal favorite I Bleed.If I had to pick one I'd go with Surfer Rosa, but I think the consensus would probably be Doolittle.

I am also a massive pixes fan and while they have their "rock" songs.. .the fact that the majority of their music is not really in the "Pure Rock & Roll" category that I've clarified about 129 times in this thread all but eliminates it from this debate. Are Dolitte or Surfer Rosa a better album that AfD. Possibly. Are Dolitte or Surfer Rosa a better "Rock & Roll" album than AfD? Not a chance. Are Dolitte or Surfer Rosa a better album than AfD and Ten combined? Put down the pipe, you're trying too hard, hipster. And this from a massive Pixies fan.

 

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ONCE AGAIN FOLKS.... THIS DEBATE IS FOR PURE "ROCK AND ROLL" ALBUMS ONLY.

 

[Jack Burton]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

Yes. I do think I know what bubblegum rock is ... although opinions do vary. Even if I dont know what it is, there is no way I'll ever give credit to any dude who wears a headband, a leather jacket w/ buckles, bicycle shorts and sings lyrics like... "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girsl are pretty". GnR were glam rock with a twist. They are seriously lame.

I heard chinese democ on the radio yesterday and it sucked more than any GnR song that ever sucked.

I think if you look at pics of rock bands throughout the years, you will see some pretty hilarious clothes and makeup. So I don't think it's fair to use that to solely define GnR. I'm not trying to convince you to like GnR, that clearly won't happen. But dismissing them as Bubblegum Rock isn't unfair, it's simply inaccurate.To try to clear this up, I looked up Bubblegum Rock on Google:

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum rock, bubblegum music, or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music whose classic period ran from 1967 to 1972. The chief characteristics of the genre are that it is pop music contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens, is produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and using faceless singers, and has an intangible, upbeat "bubblegum" sound. The songs typically have singalong choruses, seemingly childlike themes and a contrived innocence, occasionally combined with an undercurrent of sexual double entendre. They also have a catchy melody, simple chords, simple harmonies, danceable beats, and repetitive riffs or "hooks". The song lyrics often concern romantic love, but are notable for their frequent reference to sugary food, including sugar, honey, jelly and marmalade.

No that doesnt sound like GnR at all. Im way off on this one. I concede to logic. I have nothing more to add.

You mentioned Pearl Jam. Are you implying that PJ doesn't have singalong choruses, catchy melodies, simple chords, simple harmonies, and repetitive riffs or "hooks"?

Yes.I am also implying that Ten was a superior album to AFD. Its all just opinion in the end but many say that Pearl Jam pioneered a new music movement. Lyrics such as the ones in paradise city are cheesy and shallow. No ground breaking writing there.

 

[valence]

Ok Computer beats AFD and it isn't even close.

I'd throw out White Stripes - White Blood Cells \ Elephant out there as well, but that probably isn't going to go over with this crowd.

How about Green Day - American Idiot ? That album has to be top 5 at the very least...

 

[jdoggydogg]

AFD is bubblegum rock at its worst

No. I don't think you know what bubblegum rock is.

Yes. I do think I know what bubblegum rock is ... although opinions do vary. Even if I dont know what it is, there is no way I'll ever give credit to any dude who wears a headband, a leather jacket w/ buckles, bicycle shorts and sings lyrics like... "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girsl are pretty". GnR were glam rock with a twist. They are seriously lame.

I heard chinese democ on the radio yesterday and it sucked more than any GnR song that ever sucked.

I think if you look at pics of rock bands throughout the years, you will see some pretty hilarious clothes and makeup. So I don't think it's fair to use that to solely define GnR. I'm not trying to convince you to like GnR, that clearly won't happen. But dismissing them as Bubblegum Rock isn't unfair, it's simply inaccurate.To try to clear this up, I looked up Bubblegum Rock on Google:

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum rock, bubblegum music, or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music whose classic period ran from 1967 to 1972. The chief characteristics of the genre are that it is pop music contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens, is produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and using faceless singers, and has an intangible, upbeat "bubblegum" sound. The songs typically have singalong choruses, seemingly childlike themes and a contrived innocence, occasionally combined with an undercurrent of sexual double entendre. They also have a catchy melody, simple chords, simple harmonies, danceable beats, and repetitive riffs or "hooks". The song lyrics often concern romantic love, but are notable for their frequent reference to sugary food, including sugar, honey, jelly and marmalade.

No that doesnt sound like GnR at all. Im way off on this one. I concede to logic. I have nothing more to add.

You mentioned Pearl Jam. Are you implying that PJ doesn't have singalong choruses, catchy melodies, simple chords, simple harmonies, and repetitive riffs or "hooks"?

Yes.I am also implying that Ten was a superior album to AFD. Its all just opinion in the end but many say that Pearl Jam pioneered a new music movement. Lyrics such as the ones in paradise city are cheesy and shallow. No ground breaking writing there.

By the way, if I had the choice to play one of those two CDs, I'd pick Ten. So it's not like I don't see where you are coming from. Just comparing these two bands is kind of weird. Sure, they could both be classified as Rock. But comparing GnR to Pearl Jam is like comparing Stone Temple Pilots to AC/DC. Totally different aesthetic.

 

[PIK95]

It is a matter of taste, but What's the Story (Morning Glory) by Oasis is at least equally good.

Oasis is one of my 5 favorite groups, but this is ludicrous.

I disagree with the statement as well, but "What's the Story" was an amazing album...probaly would rank it top 5 of the last 20 years.

 

[PIK95]

I love GnR but Im going with Red Hot Chili Peppers BSSM.

 

[Kumerica]

[icon] seems to be changing rules and setting narrow definitions to what is and what isn't considered rock that I personally disagree with. Rock has many colors, many shades, and balls-to-the-wall is but one of them. Plus, the notion that since AFD outsold Nevermind, it was somehow a better rock album is ridiculous and naive. Between 1987 and 1991, popular music had already broken off into different branches--more and more suburban white boys were listening to rap, alternative, country, hair metal died, etc.--so very few guitar albums would reach such sales heights again. Upon more recent listening, there're only a few tracks on AFD that I can listen to anymore due to radio/MTV overkill or straight-up outdating.

While I think AFD was great in its time, here are a few rock albums that I feel have been released since that are superior or right up there. They may not necessarily all be boozy RAWK, but they are ROCK, and for my money, I'd rather listen to these:

The Afghan Whigs, Gentlemen & Black Love

Radiohead, The Bends (since OK Computer is apparently disqualified)

The Pixies, Doolittle

The Strokes, Is This It?

The Libertines, Up the Bracket

Nirvana, Nevermind

U2, Achtung Baby

Alice In Chains, Dirt

Oasis, Definitely Maybe

...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead, Worlds Apart

King Khan & the Shrines, The Supreme Genius of King Khan & the Shrines

 

[PIK95]

How is OK Computer not rock? Ok maybe not Fitter Happier but pretty much most of the rest is. Is the Rain Song by Zep not rock? Pixies had a few great tunes but mostly sucked btw. I like Vamos alot though.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Oasis? uke:

 

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[icon] seems to be changing rules and setting narrow definitions to what is and what isn't considered rock that I personally disagree with. Rock has many colors, many shades, and balls-to-the-wall is but one of them. P

My thread, my rules. The rules have been consistent since beginning. This isn't a "better album" thread. I'm not saying AFD is the best album in this timeline.

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

The fact that a few people are having trouble understanding the premise of the thread doesn't mean the premise has changed. Evilgrin got it in the 4th post with this passage. Not sure why some of the rest of you are struggling so badl with this

If you're talking just straight hard rock, rather than metal, then I'd have to say no, there hasn't been. None that I can think of off the top of my head, anyway. If you count the Seattle bands as hard rock, then there's competition. To me, they're more heavy alt rock

 

[PIK95]

Metallica - Metallica (1991)

Eh. And Justice for All (1988) > Appetite For Destruction >>> Black Album

:X …And Justice for All

And it's not even close.

 

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How is OK Computer not rock? Ok maybe not Fitter Happier but pretty much most of the rest is. Is the Rain Song by Zep not rock?

Again... HUGE Radiohead fan.... HUGE. Moreso than GNR. Now go listen to OK Computer again. It's art rock maybe.... but it's not straight forward Rock & Roll for the most part. Paranoid Android? Exit Music? Let Down? Karma Police? Fitter Happier?Climbing up Walls? No Surprises? There might be 2.5 songs on OKC that rock like Appetite. It's a beautiful, brilliant album. Superior to AFD overall? Sure. But it's not Rock & Roll. Pablo Honey had much more Rock to it and was a fantastic album in it's own right.... but it was no AFD.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

forcing chinese democracy into my head for the past 3 days makes me wonder when i'll insert appetite or one of the illusions CDs into the car or play my GnR workout playlist to purge the system.

 

[Disco Stu]

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

Does anyone even do this anymore?I can think of very little that even qualifies for this as you've defined it. Maybe The Whigs, Lions, or early Kings of Leon.

 

[Gadabout]

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

Does anyone even do this anymore?I can think of very little that even qualifies for this as you've defined it. Maybe The Whigs, Lions, or early Kings of Leon.

Rock & Roll is dead. Besides all those Aqua Net bands of the 80s, I don't even know what pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL is.

If I wanna jam (that sounds kinda queer), then I put in RATM's self-titled. From beginning to end, no other album jams that hard.