Golf Altercation: How Do You Handle This Situation? (1 Viewer)

[Guest]

Touched

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

How would you describe Don?

Age

Ht/wt

Hairstyle

Clothes

What celebrity does he resemble?

Since we can't hear Don's side of the story, I'm more interested in seeing Chet's getup on the course. We should know a lot more from there.

 

[chet]

How would you describe Don?

Age

Ht/wt

Hairstyle

Clothes

What celebrity does he resemble?

It was a 90 degree day, and he was dressed like Rickie Fowler. Bright blue pants and shirt with a white belt. Don is 60-65 but looks 75. 5'10" 180lbs.

Wrinkly skin. Thick glasses with polarized lenses. I will try to find a pic that resembles him.

A little like this guy but Don has more wrinkles and is uglier.

 

[chet]

How would you describe Don?

Age

Ht/wt

Hairstyle

Clothes

What celebrity does he resemble?

It was a 90 degree day, and he was dressed like Rickie Fowler. Bright blue pants and shirt with a white belt. Don is 60-65 but looks 75. 5'10" 180lbs.

Wrinkly skin. Thick glasses with polarized lenses. I will try to find a pic that resembles him.

A little like this guy but Don has more wrinkles and is uglier.

This is getting warmer but Don wears louder clothing and tries to dress like Fowler.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Big flat brim hat?

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/gqKjEB6MPOo/0.jpg

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Seriously handled it better than I would have. By the last three holes if he wasn't kicked off the course before that I would have been merciless in the comments to the point of forcing him to take a swing at me. I hate people like that in the course in any setting.

A local course by me actually changed the rules when I brought my then 8 year old to play because some old guy complained about kids on the course. Broke my son's heart the next time we went and they wouldn't let him play.

 

[chet]

Big flat brim hat?

No. A white ball cap with a flat brim.

 

[chet]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/gqKjEB6MPOo/0.jpg

Yes but in bright blue and not oversized cap.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Big flat brim hat?

No. A white ball cap with a flat brim.

Should've punched him just for that.

 

[chet]

Seriously handled it better than I would have. By the last three holes if he wasn't kicked off the course before that I would have been merciless in the comments to the point of forcing him to take a swing at me. I hate people like that in the course in any setting.

A local course by me actually changed the rules when I brought my then 8 year old to play because some old guy complained about kids on the course. Broke my son's heart the next time we went and they wouldn't let him play.

I really wish I'd known he lived alone.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Mustache?

Can you just draw a composite sketch?

 

[chet]

Mustache?

Can you just draw a composite sketch?

No mustache.

I wish I were artistically talented enough to draw an accurate rendering of Don, but alas, I am not.

 

[johnnycakes]

Mustache?

Can you just draw a composite sketch?

No mustache.

I wish I were artistically talented enough to draw an accurate rendering of Don, but alas, I am not.

Mr. Magoo?

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Can't you just hire a sketch artist?

 

[SWC]

This is why i keep an airsoft pistol in my bag...

If someone's being a #### they get a pellet to the calf muscle at the top of their next drive's backswing.

right on brohan shootin people is cool and even cooler if they are not looking at you bam brohan you keep on keepin on take that to the bank

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Never mind. I got this

http://www.charlestonfishing.com/forum/avatars/Private/golfer.jpg

 

[johnnycakes]

Can't you just hire a sketch artist?

We have that MC Gas Monkey guy around here somewhere. He can make up a sketch and chet could post it at the golf club.

 

[Wrigley]

So you're Ty Webb in this scenario, right?

 

[gianmarco]

How do super rich people settle disputes like this? I would think keying your opponents Ferrari is blase'. Do you take it up a notch and slip some ex-lax into their butler's tea?

 

[Slapdash]

How do super rich people settle disputes like this? I would think keying your opponents Ferrari is blase'. Do you take it up a notch and slip some ex-lax into their butler's tea?

Run to a message board and complain about it, it seems

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

How old are you Chet?

 

[jonessed]

I hate sandbaggers. I would have harassed him all day.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion around the match play aspect.

You said you got a stroke, so had you putted out, you would have halved it.

No I didn't say I got a stroke. After returning to our carts and driving to the next hole, Don filled out the scorecard incorrectly and thought I got a stroke and then started yelling and pointing. After he corrected himself after the subsequent hole, he "apologized" for his error and said I still lost the hole in an aggressive and dickish way. Then when he tried to make small talk later in the match, I told him I didn't want to talk to him ever again at which point he called my partner and me cheaters.

Okay, got it.

Lesson learned for you, just make sure they give you the putt before you pick it up. If you are playing in a tourney, you should be crossing your Is and dotting your ts. If its a $1 nassau with your buddies, maybe you can be a little more non chalant about picking up.

I did nothing incorrect at that point in the match. I never take a putt in a tournament situation without it being given. The lesson (if any) is about dealing with #######s and letting them drag you down to their level.

If I had actually gotten a stroke on the hole, and he'd approached it in a civil way, I'd have conceded that I picked up and therefore lost the hole. But because he was such an #######, I said I would let the golf director figure it out.

We believe you, you seem like a good dude. But I started commenting based on this part of your description in the initial post.

I had a 6 foot putt for par on the second hole. My opponent (Don--the other member) was already in for par and the two guests were out of the hole. I missed my putt and picked up my ball and Don said, "You got a 5 and I got a 4."

Lets not get all pissy with those that have tried to respond to your OP. You're leaving some penis trails here chet.

 

[Apple Jack]

Wait, the other guy wears a flat-brimmed hat, is prone to baseless accusations of cheating, and is a sandbagger? You, his guest, and your buddy should have just beaten the piss out of him on the spot. What a jackass.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Did either of the guests become members?

 

[Zow]

I'm 31 and feel I'm too old to dress like Fowler.

 

[mr roboto]

I'm 31 and feel I'm too old to dress like Fowler.

Fowler is too old to dress like Fowler.

 

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I'm 31 and feel I'm too old to dress like Fowler.

Fowler is too old to dress like Fowler.

So true... If this dude was that age and really dressed like that he warrants merciless ridicule.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

Based on what you wrote...you were by far the bigger #######.

Not that he was cool about it...but your reaction to that was pretty terrible.

Also, I think you need to go kill a dry cleaner after all of this too.

Not at all

 

[Apple Jack]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

 

[Pop Tart]

Jesus - I couldn't get all the way through this so I'm sure I missed some good advice.

- As you said, you messed up by not knowing where your shots were and picking up without being given the putt. At the point you picked up your putt -- YOU LOSE, be mad at yourself.

- So he discovers you had a shot, he didn't need to throw a fit because you had already picked up. If you just acknowledge that fact - all becomes good again. You way over-reacted and clearly had an attitude about the guy prior ...deserved or not.

- Sandbaggers are an unfortunate part of the member/guest deal. As a member of the club the pro needs to be more diligent about him acquiring that handicap. It is delicate - but that is part of his job. It is incredibly satisfying to beat those ####### cheaters though. You could have said "takes one to know one" though.

Wow, how could one post be so wrong and so off base is beyond me.

Probably shouldn't post if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[belljr]

Lmao...

hey Chet I hope you learned to never pick up even after the hole is over

 

[Mr.Pack]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

Spot on IMO.

Match play, Don should know WTF is going on.

 

[jomar]

Did you snap a pic of Don?

No but every time he parred the last 3 holes, I made sure to use the term sandbagger loud enough for him to hear. I also said something about how his scores in this tournament would surely bring down his index.

Was gonna say, doesn't this guy play enough tourneys to have a legit index?

People manipulate their indexes all the time.

Chet, if this guy is a long term member at your club, they have a history of his tournament scores. Those scores will trump any higher index he comes in with. If it doesn't, you need to talk with the committee that sets handicaps as they should.

The member guest I'm paying in this week will adjust people's handicaps if they have a history of playing better in tournament action. This is pretty basic stuff. What you're saying isn't adding up. I've seen guys handicaps knocked down 5-6 shots this way.

 

[jon_mx]

He got into your head, and you lost. You should have not let it bother you and stayed focused on winning

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

 

[renesauz]

Other- handled it poorly by both sides. Should have simply accepted the apology and moved on. You don't have to be friends in the future but there was no reason to make the rest of the round more painful/aggressive than it had to be.

That said, the other guy started it and was obviously a turd.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Jesus - I couldn't get all the way through this so I'm sure I missed some good advice.

- As you said, you messed up by not knowing where your shots were and picking up without being given the putt. At the point you picked up your putt -- YOU LOSE, be mad at yourself.

- So he discovers you had a shot, he didn't need to throw a fit because you had already picked up. If you just acknowledge that fact - all becomes good again. You way over-reacted and clearly had an attitude about the guy prior ...deserved or not.

- Sandbaggers are an unfortunate part of the member/guest deal. As a member of the club the pro needs to be more diligent about him acquiring that handicap. It is delicate - but that is part of his job. It is incredibly satisfying to beat those ####### cheaters though. You could have said "takes one to know one" though.

Wow, how could one post be so wrong and so off base is beyond me.

Probably shouldn't post if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

It would be appropriate to post under a non-alias if you want to make comments like that.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Most fund-raising scrambles are cheatfests. Always have been, likely always will be. Let them enjoy their dozen topflights and cheap umbrellas and you get to keep your piece of mind.

 

[Hooper31]

Chet, what's your handicap?

 

[Zow]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Fair enough. Been meaning to channel my inner-Rory.

 

[Apple Jack]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Fair enough. Been meaning to channel my inner-Rory.

And four strokes on a low handicapper is nothing in these things. It's the mid and high handicappers who do the most damage.

 

[quickhands]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf. He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Hold on the put was not conceded. And chet raked it cuz he thought he lost. The other player also thought he won the hole but never offered him the putt. Penalty was wrong term.

Chet surrendered the hole. And the was correct in pointing that out. But he's a sandbagger and I hate sandbaggers.

 

[quickhands]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Most fund-raising scrambles are cheatfests. Always have been, likely always will be. Let them enjoy their dozen topflights and cheap umbrellas and you get to keep your piece of mind.

Member guests are not cheat fests

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Most fund-raising scrambles are cheatfests. Always have been, likely always will be. Let them enjoy their dozen topflights and cheap umbrellas and you get to keep your piece of mind.

Member guests are not cheat fests

Cool. Fireman's scrambles are cheatfests

 

[Apple Jack]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Fair enough. Been meaning to channel my inner-Rory.

And four strokes on a low handicapper is nothing in these things. It's the mid and high handicappers who do the most damage.

Wait, I missed that it was a scramble. So what, by virtue of the four strokes, you became a B player?

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Fair enough. Been meaning to channel my inner-Rory.

And four strokes on a low handicapper is nothing in these things. It's the mid and high handicappers who do the most damage.

Wait, I missed that it was a scramble. So what, by virtue of the four strokes, you became a B player?

The scramble is woz's sidetrack.

Chet played a legit match play tourney

 

[TakiToki]

How do super rich people settle disputes like this? I would think keying your opponents Ferrari is blase'. Do you take it up a notch and slip some ex-lax into their butler's tea?

The latter is particularly devious, as no one wants to poop where they buttle.

 

[Zow]

Not many forms of life lower than sandbaggers.

Here's a golf ethical situation for you that just came up with me. Love to get some input:Was asked to play in a scramble this weekend with guys I don't normally play with. Some mild money to be won, but nothing crazy. It's a firefighter's tournament and the guys that asked me to play are all firefighters so it sounds like pure bragging rights. I agree to play and gave them my handicap. Find out later they have jacked it up four strokes. I assume maybe they just got it wrong and let them know. They tell me they changed it intentionally because everyone doctor's handicaps in this tournament. I tell them if anyone watches me play they'll get suspicious and that I thought we'd be competitive going in legit. They inform me that's fine and they'd take care of anything.

Still play?

You're talking about a drunken cheatfest here. Play if you want to get drunk and swing as hard as you can. I'll venture a guess and say they won't vote you as the team's scorekeeper.

Fair enough. Been meaning to channel my inner-Rory.

And four strokes on a low handicapper is nothing in these things. It's the mid and high handicappers who do the most damage.

Wait, I missed that it was a scramble. So what, by virtue of the four strokes, you became a B player?

Honestly not sure but probably.