Golf Altercation: How Do You Handle This Situation? (1 Viewer)

[Guest]

Just curious as someone who knows very little about golf or wagers: what does Calcutta money mean?

its an auction where anyone has the chance to bid on teams. you usually have the opportunity to buy back half of your own team.

There were 48 teams broken down into 8 flights of six teams each. Flight A contained the six teams with the lowest combined indexes; flight B contained teams 7-12 etc.

The night before the first match, each team was auctioned to the highest bidder. If you didn't buy your team at the auction, you were allowed to buy half from the succesful bidder. 85% of the money stayed in the respective flight (75% to 1st and 25% to second) and 15% went to the shootout pool. The winners of each flight competed for the shootout pool after the matches were completed.

Total size of the pool was ~$150k.

Pretty sure the biggest altercations during club play is due to Calcutta. There was a super high end club around here that had a near 7 figure calcutta. It's split all up like flights so not sure what the total payout is on each.

One guy wanted to buy his team, but someone bid him up to insane levels, talking like 100k for the team. srs.

Before the tourney the team wanted to buy half the team and the guy says no. It's not mandatory, but always a courtesy that is usually extended.

Well on the back nine of the tourney they were up by enough that it was over and he starts calling the guy. He still says no.

Owner drives up to the tourney and watched the team go ocho ocho ocho to finish out what would have been a half mil payday go to zero. And a bag of golf clubs ended up in one of the dude's windshields, but not sure whose.

And thus ended the fun for everyone.

ours is mandatory. if you want half of your team, they've got to sell it to you. I hope ours doesn't get any bigger. we already have a member's friend who's a cop escort the money back to someone's house with a safe. we have it on club property, but club is not involved outside of that.

That's a good rule. The only time I've seen a team shutout from not buying part of themselves was a team of known sandbaggers. I think about 8 guys pooled their money to shut them out of owning themselves and wouldn't sell a piece back.

I did have a former boss buy our team and refuse to sell us back a share at a different tournament. We didn't tank the next day, but I didn't feel bad about finishing out of the money.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Steal his golf balls, use them as anal beads, return them to his back at a later date.

 

[[icon]]

Just curious as someone who knows very little about golf or wagers: what does Calcutta money mean?

its an auction where anyone has the chance to bid on teams. you usually have the opportunity to buy back half of your own team.

There were 48 teams broken down into 8 flights of six teams each. Flight A contained the six teams with the lowest combined indexes; flight B contained teams 7-12 etc.

The night before the first match, each team was auctioned to the highest bidder. If you didn't buy your team at the auction, you were allowed to buy half from the succesful bidder. 85% of the money stayed in the respective flight (75% to 1st and 25% to second) and 15% went to the shootout pool. The winners of each flight competed for the shootout pool after the matches were completed.

Total size of the pool was ~$150k.

Pretty sure the biggest altercations during club play is due to Calcutta. There was a super high end club around here that had a near 7 figure calcutta. It's split all up like flights so not sure what the total payout is on each.

One guy wanted to buy his team, but someone bid him up to insane levels, talking like 100k for the team. srs.

Before the tourney the team wanted to buy half the team and the guy says no. It's not mandatory, but always a courtesy that is usually extended.

Well on the back nine of the tourney they were up by enough that it was over and he starts calling the guy. He still says no.

Owner drives up to the tourney and watched the team go ocho ocho ocho to finish out what would have been a half mil payday go to zero. And a bag of golf clubs ended up in one of the dude's windshields, but not sure whose.

And thus ended the fun for everyone.

soooo awesome.

 

[Thorn]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

 

[Thorn]

Also, bottom line is you damn well better know if it's a stroke hole before you concede or say something to the effect of 'you made a 5.' In my book what Don says translates as "that's good," and the fact that he later figured out that it was not a meaningless putt is on him.

 

[mr roboto]

Haven't read the thread. I don't know what's worse, his initial reaction or your baby attitude in holding a grudge.

 

[bushdocda]

Should have known you were strokin but he's a jack off.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

Gotta disagree here Thorn. It matters a humungous deal.

Yes - if weasely-guy, clearly concedes the putt, even though he doesn't know.it doesn't give him the win - only a tie, tough rockos. But if chet just picked up, assuming it was given ...oh big, big trouble. Putt wasn't given - can't just pick it up. Straight-forward match play rules/etiquette.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Would've ignored the comment and carried on, but with a "#### off" farewell

 

[Zow]

The only answer is you sue him, then have sex with wife, and poop on his lawn.

He doesn't have a wife. There's a reason he lives in a big house by himself.

Dammit. Totally ruins my "send mementos relating to his ex-gf to his wife as a secret santa gift" joke.

 

[Thorn]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

Gotta disagree here Thorn. It matters a humungous deal.

Yes - if weasely-guy, clearly concedes the putt, even though he doesn't know.it doesn't give him the win - only a tie, tough rockos. But if chet just picked up, assuming it was given ...oh big, big trouble. Putt wasn't given - can't just pick it up. Straight-forward match play rules/etiquette.

I guess that's why I'm asking if I have those facts right. The way Chet wrote it, I took it that it was, in fact, a straight up hole. So the putt for a possible 5 did not matter. Either it was conceded by Don for a 5, or Chet was picking up for no score, but either way Don won the hole.

It was only when Don was momentarily confused that it might be a stroke hole that he made a scene. Right?

 

[Zow]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

Gotta disagree here Thorn. It matters a humungous deal.

Yes - if weasely-guy, clearly concedes the putt, even though he doesn't know.it doesn't give him the win - only a tie, tough rockos. But if chet just picked up, assuming it was given ...oh big, big trouble. Putt wasn't given - can't just pick it up. Straight-forward match play rules/etiquette.

Yeah I agree. In my men's club tourneys guys are way more cordial about it than Don, but you never pick up unless it's clear the opponent is conceding.

 

[Zow]

Also, bottom line is you damn well better know if it's a stroke hole before you concede or say something to the effect of 'you made a 5.' In my book what Don says translates as "that's good," and the fact that he later figured out that it was not a meaningless putt is on him.

Yeah, that's the part that puzzles me. I've played in a few of these and feel pretty confident in stating the following facts:

1. If this tourney is as serious business as it seems, you damn well know which holes are the stroke holes as soon as the match starts, let alone at each hole (although usually someone will acknowledge that it's a stroke hole).

2. I'd also agree that "you got a five" would be a concession. But I'm not entirely certain that it was said before Chet picked up. 99.99% percent of times the phrase used is "that's good." "You got a 5 and I got a 4" sounds way more consistent with the post-hole confirmation of scores.

 

[chet]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

 

[Zow]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

Gotta disagree here Thorn. It matters a humungous deal.

Yes - if weasely-guy, clearly concedes the putt, even though he doesn't know.it doesn't give him the win - only a tie, tough rockos. But if chet just picked up, assuming it was given ...oh big, big trouble. Putt wasn't given - can't just pick it up. Straight-forward match play rules/etiquette.

I guess that's why I'm asking if I have those facts right. The way Chet wrote it, I took it that it was, in fact, a straight up hole. So the putt for a possible 5 did not matter. Either it was conceded by Don for a 5, or Chet was picking up for no score, but either way Don won the hole.

It was only when Don was momentarily confused that it might be a stroke hole that he made a scene. Right?

If this is correct, this would be why this Don clown is more of the jerk here. It sounds very possible that he initially (and correctly) stated the scores in a manner to confirm he won. Then, in an erroneous moment of panic at the thought they tied, tried to weasel a win out of the hole by claiming Chet cheated. This is totally unsportsmanlike and even worse that he did it in a nasty way.

But the facts aren't adding totally up for me here. When somebody misses a put to lose the hole, usually either nothing is immediately said or some faux-consolation (i.e. "tough one" or "unlucky") is given. If the putt missed was to win and the opponent is conceding, you're more likely to hear "that's good" or "no blood" or some similar statement. Saying "you got a 5 and I got a 4" immediately after a putt (where the guy hasn't had time to tap in) just makes little to no sense in this context.

 

[Thorn]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

 

[chet]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

I picked up and then he said you got a 5 and I got a 4.

 

[AAABatteries]

Bet one of the other members one dollar that you can replace him in the club with a negro. Then hide PCP in his locker and hire a prostitute to solicite him on hole number #7.

Make sure to collect your dollar.

 

[Zow]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

I picked up and then he said you got a 5 and I got a 4.

Ah. So yeah this dude was just trying to weasel a win out of the hole after he incorrectly thought you actually won a stroke. Which is a total jerk move.

I do hope you were 100% that you didn't get a stroke there though. Because if you weren't, a nicer rule-stickler would have correctly called you out for picking up without a concession.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

I picked up and then he said you got a 5 and I got a 4.

This fact really makes this pretty messy. By rules of match play he didn't concede the putt and you picked up, I think that means you lost.

Sounds like you picked up because you thought you lost is that right? And its pretty clear he thought he won as he announced the 5 and 4 score, basically verbalizing his sweet victory on that hole, rather "giving" you the putt for a tie.

Sorry if I missed it but how did you guys end scoring the hole - his win or a tie?

Kind of a ##### - use it as a lesson, when in competition you got to make sure your opponent says good - ask to make sure if you have to.

To be clear, I am not siding with the weasely-guy. If you truly had a teeny putt that would be made 99% of the time type deal - then it should have been scored as if you had made it - IF the guy was a decent guy. But, I have seen pretty decent guys not go for guys picking up without being given permission.

It put you and your opponent in a bad spot.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

This isn't that complicated

 

[chet]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

I picked up and then he said you got a 5 and I got a 4.

This fact really makes this pretty messy. By rules of match play he didn't concede the putt and you picked up, I think that means you lost.

Sounds like you picked up because you thought you lost is that right? And its pretty clear he thought he won as he announced the 5 and 4 score, basically verbalizing his sweet victory on that hole, rather "giving" you the putt for a tie.

Sorry if I missed it but how did you guys end scoring the hole - his win or a tie?

Kind of a ##### - use it as a lesson, when in competition you got to make sure your opponent says good - ask to make sure if you have to.

To be clear, I am not siding with the weasely-guy. If you truly had a teeny putt that would be made 99% of the time type deal - then it should have been scored as if you had made it - IF the guy was a decent guy. But, I have seen pretty decent guys not go for guys picking up without being given permission.

It put you and your opponent in a bad spot.

After he corrected his score card, it was clear to both of us that I didn't get a stroke on the hole and that he had won the hole.

I surmised that the confusion arose from the fact that we started on hole 9 and he put the hole 9 scores in the hole 1 box. Hole 1 scores went into hole 2 box and on the card, I got a stroke on hole 2. He handled the entire incident like an ####### and I went down to his level after he "apologized".

In hindsight, I wish he'd signed an incorrect scorecard and been forced to take a 0 or whatever the appropriate penalty was on the match.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

I picked up and then he said you got a 5 and I got a 4.

This fact really makes this pretty messy. By rules of match play he didn't concede the putt and you picked up, I think that means you lost.

Sounds like you picked up because you thought you lost is that right? And its pretty clear he thought he won as he announced the 5 and 4 score, basically verbalizing his sweet victory on that hole, rather "giving" you the putt for a tie.

Sorry if I missed it but how did you guys end scoring the hole - his win or a tie?

Kind of a ##### - use it as a lesson, when in competition you got to make sure your opponent says good - ask to make sure if you have to.

To be clear, I am not siding with the weasely-guy. If you truly had a teeny putt that would be made 99% of the time type deal - then it should have been scored as if you had made it - IF the guy was a decent guy. But, I have seen pretty decent guys not go for guys picking up without being given permission.

It put you and your opponent in a bad spot.

After he corrected his score card, it was clear to both of us that I didn't get a stroke on the hole and that he had won the hole.

I surmised that the confusion arose from the fact that we started on hole 9 and he put the hole 9 scores in the hole 1 box. Hole 1 scores went into hole 2 box and on the card, I got a stroke on hole 2. He handled the entire incident like an ####### and I went down to his level after he "apologized".

In hindsight, I wish he'd signed an incorrect scorecard and been forced to take a 0 or whatever the appropriate penalty was on the match.

You guys did kick their ### though right?

 

[quickhands]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

 

[kupcho1]

Ignore the comment, continue with match and fill the other members in on what a tool Don is at the 19th hole.

 

[chet]

Chet thinks (correctly) that they are playing the hole straight up.

As they play the hole, Don also thinks they are playing straight up.

Don makes a par 4.

Chet has a putt for a 4, which would halve the hole.

Chet misses the putt.

Don says, I made a 4, you made a 5 (seems like Don is conceding Chet's putt, which didn't matter).

Don looks at the scorecard afterwards, and erroneously concludes that Chet was getting a stroke. So if Chet made a 5, it was a net 4 for a halve.

Don makes a scene. Chet responds rudely.

Don revisits the scorecard and realizes that they were, in fact, playing straight up. So whether or not the putt for 5 was conceded is now immaterial. Chet lost the hole.

Do I have all that right?

No. My rudeness came after his "apology".

Otherwise correct?

And he said 'you made a 5' before or after you picked up?

I picked up and then he said you got a 5 and I got a 4.

This fact really makes this pretty messy. By rules of match play he didn't concede the putt and you picked up, I think that means you lost.

Sounds like you picked up because you thought you lost is that right? And its pretty clear he thought he won as he announced the 5 and 4 score, basically verbalizing his sweet victory on that hole, rather "giving" you the putt for a tie.

Sorry if I missed it but how did you guys end scoring the hole - his win or a tie?

Kind of a ##### - use it as a lesson, when in competition you got to make sure your opponent says good - ask to make sure if you have to.

To be clear, I am not siding with the weasely-guy. If you truly had a teeny putt that would be made 99% of the time type deal - then it should have been scored as if you had made it - IF the guy was a decent guy. But, I have seen pretty decent guys not go for guys picking up without being given permission.

It put you and your opponent in a bad spot.

After he corrected his score card, it was clear to both of us that I didn't get a stroke on the hole and that he had won the hole.

I surmised that the confusion arose from the fact that we started on hole 9 and he put the hole 9 scores in the hole 1 box. Hole 1 scores went into hole 2 box and on the card, I got a stroke on hole 2. He handled the entire incident like an ####### and I went down to his level after he "apologized".

In hindsight, I wish he'd signed an incorrect scorecard and been forced to take a 0 or whatever the appropriate penalty was on the match.

You guys did kick their ### though right?

I wish. He was a playing to a 15 and was +1 through 7. Their team total of 35.5 points (max 40--8 points/match) was the most of any team in the tournament by several points so there was lots of talk from the other teams of Don being a sandbagger which intensified my anger after his rudeness. In our match, his partner didn't factor in any of the holes except the last one--at that point, a meaningless par 3.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

and you both handled it poorly

/thread

 

[chet]

Ignore the comment, continue with match and fill the other members in on what a tool Don is at the 19th hole.

That would have been the best way to handle the situation.

 

[chet]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion around the match play aspect.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

You should not have picked up so you definitely lost the hole. All the crap that happened after probably could have been avoided but you both sound like hard heads.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion around the match play aspect.

You said you got a stroke, so had you putted out, you would have halved it.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

He probably would have given you the putt had you not picked it up but you created that mess. All you needed to do was verify that before picking up.

 

[chet]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion around the match play aspect.

You said you got a stroke, so had you putted out, you would have halved it.

No I didn't say I got a stroke. After returning to our carts and driving to the next hole, Don filled out the scorecard incorrectly and thought I got a stroke and then started yelling and pointing. After he corrected himself after the subsequent hole, he "apologized" for his error and said I still lost the hole in an aggressive and dickish way. Then when he tried to make small talk later in the match, I told him I didn't want to talk to him ever again at which point he called my partner and me cheaters.

 

[chet]

He probably would have given you the putt had you not picked it up but you created that mess. All you needed to do was verify that before picking up.

Jebus. Read the thread, friend.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Did you snap a pic of Don?

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion around the match play aspect.

You said you got a stroke, so had you putted out, you would have halved it.

No I didn't say I got a stroke. After returning to our carts and driving to the next hole, Don filled out the scorecard incorrectly and thought I got a stroke and then started yelling and pointing. After he corrected himself after the subsequent hole, he "apologized" for his error and said I still lost the hole in an aggressive and dickish way. Then when he tried to make small talk later in the match, I told him I didn't want to talk to him ever again at which point he called my partner and me cheaters.

Okay, got it.

Lesson learned for you, just make sure they give you the putt before you pick it up. If you are playing in a tourney, you should be crossing your Is and dotting your ts. If its a $1 nassau with your buddies, maybe you can be a little more non chalant about picking up.

 

[chet]

Did you snap a pic of Don?

No but every time he parred the last 3 holes, I made sure to use the term sandbagger loud enough for him to hear. I also said something about how his scores in this tournament would surely bring down his index.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

He probably would have given you the putt had you not picked it up but you created that mess. All you needed to do was verify that before picking up.

Jebus. Read the thread, friend.

I read it. I get that you had already lost the hole. It did not matter here.

Regardless you even seemed confused when he mentioned you got a stroke. I'm not convinced you won't make this mistake when it counts.

 

[johnnycakes]

The FFA minds don't seem to be firing on all cylinders here tonight.

 

[chet]

Anyone have a serious answer? I agree that neither of us handled the situation optimally; however, he was by far the bigger #######.

Also, he's a sandbagger. 1 over through 7 playing to a 15 and doing the same thing in his other matches.

The sand bagger is one of the worst things in golf.

He acted like an ###.

He was also correct to give you a penalty.

What penalty? The hole was lost when Chet missed the putt.

Correct. There seems to be a lot of confusion around the match play aspect.

You said you got a stroke, so had you putted out, you would have halved it.

No I didn't say I got a stroke. After returning to our carts and driving to the next hole, Don filled out the scorecard incorrectly and thought I got a stroke and then started yelling and pointing. After he corrected himself after the subsequent hole, he "apologized" for his error and said I still lost the hole in an aggressive and dickish way. Then when he tried to make small talk later in the match, I told him I didn't want to talk to him ever again at which point he called my partner and me cheaters.

Okay, got it.

Lesson learned for you, just make sure they give you the putt before you pick it up. If you are playing in a tourney, you should be crossing your Is and dotting your ts. If its a $1 nassau with your buddies, maybe you can be a little more non chalant about picking up.

I did nothing incorrect at that point in the match. I never take a putt in a tournament situation without it being given. The lesson (if any) is about dealing with #######s and letting them drag you down to their level.

If I had actually gotten a stroke on the hole, and he'd approached it in a civil way, I'd have conceded that I picked up and therefore lost the hole. But because he was such an #######, I said I would let the golf director figure it out.

 

[chet]

The FFA minds don't seem to be firing on all cylinders here tonight.

I don't think the FFA understands the distinction between stroke and match play or there is a lot of going on.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

If I'm reading things correctly, it sounds like most everyone is missing the point.

Chet wasn't upset about whether the putt was given or not, but upset about the way in which the guy acted. People make mistakes all the time, but you don't yell at another member in the middle of a round (or anytime for that matter).

ETA: looks like Chet beat me to the punch in the post above. Whether the putt was good or not, whether its a stroke hole or not, all that is immaterial. There are ways to handle things among adults, and pointing and yelling at a grown man on a golf course isn't one of them.

 

[Zow]

Did you snap a pic of Don?

No but every time he parred the last 3 holes, I made sure to use the term sandbagger loud enough for him to hear. I also said something about how his scores in this tournament would surely bring down his index.

Was gonna say, doesn't this guy play enough tourneys to have a legit index?

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

I told him to stop yelling and pointing and also to stop cross examining us. I explained that I didn't know I got a stroke and that had I known, I'd have tapped in. I also added that he gave us a 5 on the hole. He continued yelling and accusing and I told him that I'd ask the golf director what we should do.

Now I know there really was no stroke but you thought there was for a second, right?

How come you didn't just concede the hole at that point.

Why did you have to add that he gave you a 5.

 

[Zow]

If I'm reading things correctly, it sounds like most everyone is missing the point.

Chet wasn't upset about whether the putt was given or not, but upset about the way in which the guy acted. People make mistakes all the time, but you don't yell at another member in the middle of a round (or anytime for that matter).

ETA: looks like Chet beat me to the punch in the post above. Whether the putt was good or not, whether its a stroke hole or not, all that is immaterial. There are ways to handle things among adults, and pointing and yelling at a grown man on a golf course isn't one of them.

Completely agree. This guy was definitely the tool here. He sounds like a miserable person.

But unfortunately these guys exist and sometimes you have to play them in golf tournaments. Play here in my opinion was to putt everything to record a score (I always do this to be entirely safe in the event something bizarre occurs) absent a for sure concession and act cordial towards your opponent regardless of how he acts.

 

[chet]

Did you snap a pic of Don?

No but every time he parred the last 3 holes, I made sure to use the term sandbagger loud enough for him to hear. I also said something about how his scores in this tournament would surely bring down his index.

Was gonna say, doesn't this guy play enough tourneys to have a legit index?

People manipulate their indexes all the time.

 

[chet]

I told him to stop yelling and pointing and also to stop cross examining us. I explained that I didn't know I got a stroke and that had I known, I'd have tapped in. I also added that he gave us a 5 on the hole. He continued yelling and accusing and I told him that I'd ask the golf director what we should do.

Now I know there really was no stroke but you thought there was for a second, right?

How come you didn't just concede the hole at that point.

Why did you have to add that he gave you a 5.

As I explained above, he was being such a #### that I decided to be one too.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

How would you describe Don?

Age

Ht/wt

Hairstyle

Clothes

What celebrity does he resemble?

 

[chet]

How would you describe Don?

Age

Ht/wt

Hairstyle

Clothes

What celebrity does he resemble?

It was a 90 degree day, and he was dressed like Rickie Fowler. Bright blue pants and shirt with a white belt. Don is 60-65 but looks 75. 5'10" 180lbs.

Wrinkly skin. Thick glasses with polarized lenses. I will try to find a pic that resembles him.