Goodell Issues Ruling? (1 Viewer)

[CrossEyed]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

What does that do, it'll be over in a month and it'll be business as usual.

I'm saying a suspension on top of the fine and forfeited draft picks, not instead of them.

Well, as far as I know it's their first offense. I mean, what do you do if they do it again? Send him to the gallows?I think all of what you said is harsh for a first offense. I think the fine is significant, it's a 1/2 million dollars for a first offense. How much more can you really fine them?Losing a 1st round pick and a 3rd is a very big deal. To be honost, I think this penalty is harsher than what I thought it was gonna be. "The Hammer" does not play games.

But it's not really a first offense. The same thing happened last year in Green Bay.

 

[HellToupee]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

What does that do, it'll be over in a month and it'll be business as usual.

I'm saying a suspension on top of the fine and forfeited draft picks, not instead of them.

Well, as far as I know it's their first offense. I mean, what do you do if they do it again? Send him to the gallows?I think all of what you said is harsh for a first offense. I think the fine is significant, it's a 1/2 million dollars for a first offense. How much more can you really fine them?

Losing a 1st round pick and a 3rd is a very big deal. To be honost, I think this penalty is harsher than what I thought it was gonna be. "The Hammer" does not play games.

But it's not really a first offense. The same thing happened last year in Green Bay.

and against Detroit

Last year the Lions played the Patriots in Foxboro. At one point their coach, Rod Marinelli, phoned up to the press box, "There's a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?" A Lions' employee called the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again. The same process was repeated and he was asked to stop again. Now that's dedication.

"You don't really know for sure," Marinelli said. "I mean you don't know whether he might be doing something for NFL Films or a coaches' show or whatever."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ting/index.html

 

[CrossEyed]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

What does that accomplish? If you suspend the coach for 4 weeks, it would only benefit the Patriots' next 4 opponents (SD, Buffalo, Cincy, and Cleveland).

Aren't you the one who just said "FORFEIT"? Who does that benefit and who does it hurt?

I never said forfeit. I said that Deshea Townsend said forfeit.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

The NFL is reportedly considering suspending coach Bill Belichick two or three games and stripping the organization of a first-round pick after the Patriots were found to be videotaping Jets defensive coaches in Week 1.

Sources tell SI.com's Don Banks and Peter King that the league will hand down disciplinary action on Friday. The NFL has reportedly ruled out forcing the Pats to forfeit their 38-14 win over the Jets, but will "definitely" strip them of a first-day draft choice. If Belichick is suspended, he'll be banned from games and practices until the suspension is up, and will not be paid.

Source: SI.com

It is from rotoWorld, so take it for what its worth whith a grain of salt....

I also find that it being listed under Matt Cassell news as quite comical

 

[Wilbur Wood]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

What does that accomplish? If you suspend the coach for 4 weeks, it would only benefit the Patriots' next 4 opponents (SD, Buffalo, Cincy, and Cleveland).

Hmmmm, we wholeheartedly agree with this line of thinking. Fines are much more effective than a suspension.SincerelyPac ManChris Henry.p.s. BB makes $5M per year. A suspension is without pay. A 4 game suspension would also bring with it the equivalent of a $1.25M fine (pre-tax)

 

[jonessed]

This would be letting BB off the hook which is a pretty weak stance from Goodell. Kraft is obviously going to pay the fine.

 

[tombonneau]

That seem equitable for a second offense. Lose a first, third, $500k and multi-game suspension.

I saw that the League did circulate the How to Cheat legally memo reminding teams they can't tape opposing coaches.

Read lips, take pictures, it's all good. But dare you to transfer onto a video tape ...

 

[Marc Levin]

Can a team lose a 1st rounder??? Can the NFLPlayersA contest the loss?

You answered your own question.

 

[Skinsfansince72]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

 

[Marc Levin]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

What does that accomplish? If you suspend the coach for 4 weeks, it would only benefit the Patriots' next 4 opponents (SD, Buffalo, Cincy, and Cleveland).

Hmmmm, we wholeheartedly agree with this line of thinking. Fines are much more effective than a suspension.SincerelyPac ManChris Henry.p.s. BB makes $5M per year. A suspension is without pay. A 4 game suspension would also bring with it the equivalent of a $1.25M fine (pre-tax)

I don;t see why coach salaries would work that way, but there is a chance the Pats would dock him pay.

 

[tombonneau]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

No you've got it all wrong. BB had Stephen Hawkins on retainer and at halftime he hosts the videos on YouTube and Hawkins runs some algorithms and predicts every play the opposing team will run for the next 7 years. Then BB uses that data molest children and abuse the elderly.

 

[mad sweeney]

The NFL is reportedly considering suspending coach Bill Belichick two or three games and stripping the organization of a first-round pick after the Patriots were found to be videotaping Jets defensive coaches in Week 1.

Sources tell SI.com's Don Banks and Peter King that the league will hand down disciplinary action on Friday. The NFL has reportedly ruled out forcing the Pats to forfeit their 38-14 win over the Jets, but will "definitely" strip them of a first-day draft choice. If Belichick is suspended, he'll be banned from games and practices until the suspension is up, and will not be paid.

Source: SI.com

It is from rotoWorld, so take it for what its worth whith a grain of salt....

I also find that it being listed under Matt Cassell news as quite comical

Considering that they're quoting from the SI.com article, in it's entirety above, it's not a rotoworld post. They just cut/pasted from SI.

 

[JohnnyU]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

No you've got it all wrong. BB had Stephen Hawkins on retainer and at halftime he hosts the videos on YouTube and Hawkins runs some algorithms and predicts every play the opposing team will run for the next 7 years. Then BB uses that data molest children and abuse the elderly.

You mean Stephen Hawking.

 

[John Mamula]

sources have said the NFL is going to fine Belichick $500,000. The fine has to be paid by Belichick himself and cannot be paid by the team's owner, Robert Kraft.

Yeah, ok. If this is indeed the penalty, it seems about right to me.

in other news, Belichek gets an additional $500k bonus this year.

 

[Marc Levin]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

No you've got it all wrong. BB had Stephen Hawkins on retainer and at halftime he hosts the videos on YouTube and Hawkins runs some algorithms and predicts every play the opposing team will run for the next 7 years. Then BB uses that data molest children and abuse the elderly.

You mean Stephen Hawking.

Maybe he meant Ronnie "The Hawk" Hawkins.

 

[tombonneau]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

No you've got it all wrong. BB had Stephen Hawkins on retainer and at halftime he hosts the videos on YouTube and Hawkins runs some algorithms and predicts every play the opposing team will run for the next 7 years. Then BB uses that data molest children and abuse the elderly.

You mean Stephen Hawking.

Is he the one with the robot voice? If so, yeah, it's that guy.

 

[PatsFanCT]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

What does that accomplish? If you suspend the coach for 4 weeks, it would only benefit the Patriots' next 4 opponents (SD, Buffalo, Cincy, and Cleveland).

Aren't you the one who just said "FORFEIT"? Who does that benefit and who does it hurt?

I never said forfeit. I said that Deshea Townsend said forfeit.

Sorry, I was referring to maxwell's earlier post about forfeiting. He states here that a suspension benefits the Pats next four opponents, but thinks a forfeit is fair.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

sources have said the NFL is going to fine Belichick $500,000. The fine has to be paid by Belichick himself and cannot be paid by the team's owner, Robert Kraft.

Yeah, ok. If this is indeed the penalty, it seems about right to me.

in other news, Belichek gets an additional $500k bonus this year.

Then in other news after that, team gets fined 2 million and loses all draft picks for the year.

 

[jonessed]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:

there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

Are you trying to say that they risked getting fined, suspended, and losing their first day draft picks for nothing? Why would they do that? Obviously they were getting something out of it or they wouldn't have done it.

 

[mad sweeney]

That seem equitable for a second offense. Lose a first, third, $500k and multi-game suspension.I saw that the League did circulate the How to Cheat legally memo reminding teams they can't tape opposing coaches.Read lips, take pictures, it's all good. But dare you to transfer onto a video tape ...

Pro video cameras have (or can) a microwave transmitter on them that can broadcast the image real time to a receiver. Say, in the coordinator's booth. From there they could have instant access to the signals. It's not just recording it, the term "recording devices" refers to cameras that record, but they do so much more than just record.

 

[JohnnyU]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

No you've got it all wrong. BB had Stephen Hawkins on retainer and at halftime he hosts the videos on YouTube and Hawkins runs some algorithms and predicts every play the opposing team will run for the next 7 years. Then BB uses that data molest children and abuse the elderly.

You mean Stephen Hawking.

Is he the one with the robot voice? If so, yeah, it's that guy.

Yes, the greatest mind in physics since Albert Einstein.

 

[Billy1x]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sports/14109617/detail.html

Source: NFL To Fine Belichick, Pats

Coach To Pay $500,000

In addition to the fine, the Patriots must forfeit two high draft choices. They could be as high as a first- and a third-round draft choice, sources said.

Waste of time. BB laughs at these penalties. He's a billionaire and can easily get free agents to make up for the picks. Eliminating them from the playoffs this year is the only effective way of dealing with situation.

 

[tombonneau]

That seem equitable for a second offense. Lose a first, third, $500k and multi-game suspension.I saw that the League did circulate the How to Cheat legally memo reminding teams they can't tape opposing coaches.Read lips, take pictures, it's all good. But dare you to transfer onto a video tape ...

Pro video cameras have (or can) a microwave transmitter on them that can broadcast the image real time to a receiver. Say, in the coordinator's booth. From there they could have instant access to the signals. It's not just recording it, the term "recording devices" refers to cameras that record, but they do so much more than just record.

I can't talk about this anymore. It's making my head hurt.

 

[mad sweeney]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:

there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

Cameras can broadcast microwave signals real time, it wouldn't take long to match up signals with formations with the proper tech set up in the coordinator's booth. You could easily start matching things up by the 3rd or 4th series.

 

[tombonneau]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

No you've got it all wrong. BB had Stephen Hawkins on retainer and at halftime he hosts the videos on YouTube and Hawkins runs some algorithms and predicts every play the opposing team will run for the next 7 years. Then BB uses that data molest children and abuse the elderly.

You mean Stephen Hawking.

Is he the one with the robot voice? If so, yeah, it's that guy.

Yes, the greatest mind in physics since Albert Einstein.

Yes, sorry I forgot to spell his name right in a fit of rage as I'm alt-tabbing btwn spreadhsheets and fbg while at work.

 

[tombonneau]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:

there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

Cameras can broadcast microwave signals real time, it wouldn't take long to match up signals with formations with the proper tech set up in the coordinator's booth. You could easily start matching things up by the 3rd or 4th series.

Right bc Mangini stole his playbook from Tecmo Bowl.Wait, i promised to stop talking bout this.

 

[John Mamula]

sources have said the NFL is going to fine Belichick $500,000. The fine has to be paid by Belichick himself and cannot be paid by the team's owner, Robert Kraft.

Yeah, ok. If this is indeed the penalty, it seems about right to me.

in other news, Belichek gets an additional $500k bonus this year.

Then in other news after that, team gets fined 2 million and loses all draft picks for the year.

why? i doubt this fine will stipulate how much Kraft can compensate Belichik for services rendered. Goodell.

 

[Billy1x]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:

there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

Cameras can broadcast microwave signals real time, it wouldn't take long to match up signals with formations with the proper tech set up in the coordinator's booth. You could easily start matching things up by the 3rd or 4th series.

I believe he also had microphones in the players helmets running on multiple frequencies which is another violation.

 

[Vintage_Football]

Forfeiting 2 high draft picks, possibly a 1st and 3rd, is significant.

I think i heard somewhere on ESPN, that the players union wouldn't allow a 1st round pick to be taken. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

 

[bostonfred]

I hope this is wrong. The only way to truly punish this team and the coach is to suspend him (no team contact at all) for a significant amount of games (no less than 4, IMO). That's the way to make them regret this whole thing. That would hurt BB more than anything else.

Agreed. They pull this crap in college when a coach is involved in recruiting violations. Then the coach moves on and the team is screwed. The guy with the camera and the head coach should be the ones who get punished. If they are taking two high draft picks then the punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime. It's almost comical to hear the ignorant discuss this topic. Those who spend even 5 minutes actually thinking about this can only reach one conclusion:

there's no way in hell that stealing those hand signals could ever help them. They would never have time to watch the film and figure out the signals during a game. Impossible. And even if they had their eye on future games, no coach worth his salt would ever keep the same signals.

Cameras can broadcast microwave signals real time, it wouldn't take long to match up signals with formations with the proper tech set up in the coordinator's booth. You could easily start matching things up by the 3rd or 4th series.

I believe he also had microphones in the players helmets running on multiple frequencies which is another violation.

Why do you believe this?

 

[mad sweeney]

That seem equitable for a second offense. Lose a first, third, $500k and multi-game suspension.I saw that the League did circulate the How to Cheat legally memo reminding teams they can't tape opposing coaches.Read lips, take pictures, it's all good. But dare you to transfer onto a video tape ...

Pro video cameras have (or can) a microwave transmitter on them that can broadcast the image real time to a receiver. Say, in the coordinator's booth. From there they could have instant access to the signals. It's not just recording it, the term "recording devices" refers to cameras that record, but they do so much more than just record.

I can't talk about this anymore. It's making my head hurt.

Sorry to confront you with something contrary to your belittling of the situation

 

[TDavi118]

If true, not enough. Nothing less than a suspension is appropriate.

Nothing but "expert" analysis on these boards with this post.

 

[Billy1x]

Favre made a commit the other day that all they would have to tell him is Cover Two or some other formation. Two word signals would allow Brady to easily slice and dice any defense. NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

 

[mad sweeney]

Forfeiting 2 high draft picks, possibly a 1st and 3rd, is significant.

I think i heard somewhere on ESPN, that the players union wouldn't allow a 1st round pick to be taken. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

I'd be curious to know the NFLPAs influence over non NFLPs or team punishments. In Upshaws words, "I work for current NFL players". Not saying you're wrong, just don't see how the NFLPA has anything to do with this.

 

[mad sweeney]

Favre made a commit the other day that all they would have to tell him is Cover Two or some other formation. Two word signals would allow Brady to easily slice and dice any defense. NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

As well as several teams having radio problems while playing the Cheatriots. The league is also investigating RF irregularities in conjunction with the video incidents(s).

 

[reg]

Forfeiting 2 high draft picks, possibly a 1st and 3rd, is significant.

I think i heard somewhere on ESPN, that the players union wouldn't allow a 1st round pick to be taken. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

I'd be curious to know the NFLPAs influence over non NFLPs or team punishments. In Upshaws words, "I work for current NFL players". Not saying you're wrong, just don't see how the NFLPA has anything to do with this.

my thoughts as well

 

[twitch]

just make Brady play the rest of the season without a radio in his helmet, already! if they really want to level the playing field, force New England to have to hand signal the plays in, run them in with a player, or let Brady call the plays himself. As a Pats fan, I hope theyre as harsh as possible so they can shut everyone up over the whole thing. Taking away a 1st and a 3rd, a half million bucks, which imo is irrelevant because of the amount of money these coaches make these days, and suspending Belichick for a couple of games seems right. But definitely remove New England's ability to utilize the same technology theyve been abusing. Then we'll see just how good this Brady and this team are. As a diehard Pats fan, I say stick it to 'em and give the players a chance to prove their greatness on the field.

There have been 3 games to my knowledge that New England has been accused of stealing signs...the Jets game where they scored 14, a 28-3 playoff win over Jacksonville, and a 35-0 win over Green Bay on the road. Those teams combined to score 17 points in 3 games. And its DEFENSIVE signals the Pats have been accused of stealing? Those teams need to just shut up already.

 

[Joe Bryant]

sources have said the NFL is going to fine Belichick $500,000. The fine has to be paid by Belichick himself and cannot be paid by the team's owner, Robert Kraft.

Yeah, ok. If this is indeed the penalty, it seems about right to me.

Exactly. You cheated and broke the rules. But we trust you to pay all this out of your own pocket with no extra "make up" perks from Kraft along the way. That is comical.J

 

[bostonfred]

NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

The Patriots are 4-1 against the Steelers in the Belichick era.

 

[tombonneau]

That seem equitable for a second offense. Lose a first, third, $500k and multi-game suspension.I saw that the League did circulate the How to Cheat legally memo reminding teams they can't tape opposing coaches.Read lips, take pictures, it's all good. But dare you to transfer onto a video tape ...

Pro video cameras have (or can) a microwave transmitter on them that can broadcast the image real time to a receiver. Say, in the coordinator's booth. From there they could have instant access to the signals. It's not just recording it, the term "recording devices" refers to cameras that record, but they do so much more than just record.

I can't talk about this anymore. It's making my head hurt.

Sorry to confront you with something contrary to your belittling of the situation

You're right. I'm sure that's the exact operation that Mike Centralla from Fitchburg State had set up. I apologize.

 

[John Mamula]

NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

The Patriots are 4-1 against the Steelers in the Belichick era.

so you DO admit they had trouble.the prosecution rests.

 

[tombonneau]

Favre made a commit the other day that all they would have to tell him is Cover Two or some other formation. Two word signals would allow Brady to easily slice and dice any defense. NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

I'm pretty sure within about 1 second a QB like Brady, Favre or Manning knows he is facing a Cover 2.

 

[bostonfred]

Forfeiting 2 high draft picks, possibly a 1st and 3rd, is significant.

I think i heard somewhere on ESPN, that the players union wouldn't allow a 1st round pick to be taken. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

I'd be curious to know the NFLPAs influence over non NFLPs or team punishments. In Upshaws words, "I work for current NFL players". Not saying you're wrong, just don't see how the NFLPA has anything to do with this.

my thoughts as well

First round picks are paid more than second round picks. If they take away one of the 32 first round picks, then one of the top 32 players in the draft will take a substantial pay cut. That might not seem like a big deal, but union's have to defend their members against bad precedent like this. And yes, I'm aware that the agent for the first player picked in the second round would go out of his way to argue that he should be paid like a first round pick.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

The Patriots are 4-1 against the Steelers in the Belichick era.

You think anyone finds it surprising that the P*tr**ts dont lose to a team twice in the same season?

 

[twitch]

Favre made a commit the other day that all they would have to tell him is Cover Two or some other formation. Two word signals would allow Brady to easily slice and dice any defense. NOTE - The Steelers said they take special precautions when they play the Patriots. Interesting how New England seems to have a lot more trouble when they play the Steelers.

most teams have trouble against the Steelers. in fact, most teams have trouble against 3-4 Ds because there are so few of them in the league. Id have to look up the scores over the past few years, but I dont recall New England really struggling to score points on Pittsburgh. I think 21 is the low total theyve scored against those guys. But of course Im sure the cheating had everything to do with that.

 

[GregR_2]

Forfeiting 2 high draft picks, possibly a 1st and 3rd, is significant.

I think i heard somewhere on ESPN, that the players union wouldn't allow a 1st round pick to be taken. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

I'd be curious to know the NFLPAs influence over non NFLPs or team punishments. In Upshaws words, "I work for current NFL players". Not saying you're wrong, just don't see how the NFLPA has anything to do with this.

It's hard to say what is buried in the details of the CBA (and I'm saying that as a non-lawyer who has actually read large sections of it at different times trying to figure out how it works).But I don't see why the NFLPA would care. The number of draft picks changes every year because compensatory picks are given out to teams and those picks differen from one year to the next.But what doesn't differ is the money that goes to players. The players get a certain percentage of revenues, guaranteed. Taking away a pick doesn't change the amount that players are going to get. The only difference would be that some of the Pats money they'd have spent on a rookie will now end up spent on a veteran, either re-signing a guy, or a free agent. Ok, there is the chance the Pats were well over the minimum limit and they just will pocket the difference, but that doesn't seem a likely enough outcome that the players need to be up in arms about it. The Pats are probably going to still spend what they would have spent if they had the pick.Think of it this way too, if the Pats have the 30th pick taken away, some player is still going to be taken 30th and he's going to get paid 30th money. The only difference that will happen is that one player who would have been drafted in the 7th round will instead be a free agent. This is actually a good thing for that player because he's now free to negotiate with any team that is interested in him and have some control over where he goes, whether he wants a team he's more likely to make, or whatever.

 

[Phlash]

just make Brady play the rest of the season without a radio in his helmet, already! if they really want to level the playing field, force New England to have to hand signal the plays in, run them in with a player, or let Brady call the plays himself. As a Pats fan, I hope theyre as harsh as possible so they can shut everyone up over the whole thing. Taking away a 1st and a 3rd, a half million bucks, which imo is irrelevant because of the amount of money these coaches make these days, and suspending Belichick for a couple of games seems right. But definitely remove New England's ability to utilize the same technology theyve been abusing. Then we'll see just how good this Brady and this team are. As a diehard Pats fan, I say stick it to 'em and give the players a chance to prove their greatness on the field. There have been 3 games to my knowledge that New England has been accused of stealing signs...the Jets game where they scored 14, a 28-3 playoff win over Jacksonville, and a 35-0 win over Green Bay on the road. Those teams combined to score 17 points in 3 games. And its DEFENSIVE signals the Pats have been accused of stealing? Those teams need to just shut up already.

Maybe Belichick trusts his defense more than he trusts his offense

 

[Marc Levin]

Forfeiting 2 high draft picks, possibly a 1st and 3rd, is significant.

I think i heard somewhere on ESPN, that the players union wouldn't allow a 1st round pick to be taken. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd.

I'd be curious to know the NFLPAs influence over non NFLPs or team punishments. In Upshaws words, "I work for current NFL players". Not saying you're wrong, just don't see how the NFLPA has anything to do with this.

my thoughts as well

And third.Folks can call me dumb, but reg and mad sweeney are generally pretty s-m-r-tMy question is what interest does the NFLPA have in the Pats retaining their 1st round pick?

 

[bostonfred]

sources have said the NFL is going to fine Belichick $500,000. The fine has to be paid by Belichick himself and cannot be paid by the team's owner, Robert Kraft.

Yeah, ok. If this is indeed the penalty, it seems about right to me.

Exactly. You cheated and broke the rules. But we trust you to pay all this out of your own pocket with no extra "make up" perks from Kraft along the way. That is comical.J

It may seem symbolic IN THIS CASE, but the precedent of fining the coach is an important one to the next coach who considers doing this. What if it's some first year head coach getting $750,000 from a cheap owner as a temporary solution on a bad team? He has all the motivation in the world to cheat, but a fine like this is going to make him think twice.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What is Belichick's annual salary?

J