Government employee thread! (Being a government employee is sweet) (1 Viewer)

[BobbyLayne]

Problem is they're also planning a $4.5 trillion tax cut.

So it won't do much to the deficit.

That's 4.5 trillion of American buying power.

Yes assuming it goes to people spending and not coffers or stock buybacks

He'd only be correct if we didn't have 31T in debt already. His comment is the political version of "girl math"

It's most likely going to shift to a consumption tax vice an income tax, so that returned buying power to Americans will most likely make it's way back to the government via other methods.

Did you mean to use 'vice' there?

Consumption Tax legislation has been introduced every congressional session since 1999. The latest, a 23% Fair Tax (national sales tax), was in 2023.

I think possibly would be a better descriptor than most likely.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Can we take the budget politics out of the thread please

Sorry. My initial post was to point out how little these actions they are taking are going to matter in the grand scheme of things compared to the lives turned upside down. Didn't mean to go deeper than that. It's pretty appalling to me and yes, I am being impacted too even though not a govt employee.

 

[scorchy]

Appreciate all the info in here despite trying my best not to post in it for self-preservation reasons. To add another anecdote about the chaos, had an emergency meeting called at 4:30 yesterday where HQ let us know that even though our agency is statutorily required to operate independently of the larger department, our arguments that they can't mandate our personnel decisions were not accepted. In other words, we had to follow through with the mass firings of 100 probationary employees and we should call to let them know before the termination emails come out at 5 pm. So I called the lone probie in my group (who was doing a standout job, btw) to break the news. About two hours later, HQ calls another emergency meeting to inform us that the department recalled their previous email about our independence with basically a "whoops, nevermind." So then I had to call the probie back to let them know they weren't fired afterall. At least for now...

 

[FBG Moderator]

His comment is the political version of "girl math"

Please do not do this.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Can we take the budget politics out of the thread please

Sorry. My initial post was to point out how little these actions they are taking are going to matter in the grand scheme of things compared to the lives turned upside down. Didn't mean to go deeper than that. It's pretty appalling to me and yes, I am being impacted too even though not a govt employee.

Ok. When your point is made with "His comment is the political version of "girl math", it's not helpful. Please drop it now.

 

[Runkle]

Trump officials fired nuclear staff not realizing they oversee the country’s weapons stockpile

That appears to be how much thought has gone into "what will all these layoffs/firings/induced retirements do?"

The agency began rescinding the terminations Friday morning.

The agency’s quick reversal was announced Friday in an all-staff meeting. The NNSA is seeking to recall the workers because they deal with sensitive national security secrets, according to the people, who weren’t authorized to talk about the matter, which is not public. Those cuts are especially concerning because the positions typically require high-level security clearances and training that can take 18 months or longer, said Jill Hruby, who served as the NNSA administrator during the Biden administration.

https://fortune.com/2025/02/14/doge...sts-energy-department-layoffs-nnsa-elon-musk/

It's literally the parable of Chesterton's Fence. Watching it happen in real time.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Please keep the arguing about reducing expenditures out of this.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Can we take the budget politics out of the thread please

Sorry. My initial post was to point out how little these actions they are taking are going to matter in the grand scheme of things compared to the lives turned upside down. Didn't mean to go deeper than that. It's pretty appalling to me and yes, I am being impacted too even though not a govt employee.

Ok. When your point is made with "His comment is the political version of "girl math", it's not helpful. Please drop it now.

I did after the apology, only to come back in here and see it resurrected by you.

 

[-OZ-]

Please keep the arguing about reducing expenditures out of this.

Just to be clear here, I assume talking about our experiences and impact on our office is okay?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Please keep the arguing about reducing expenditures out of this.

Just to be clear here, I assume talking about our experiences and impact on our office is okay?

Yes.

It's the look at how stupid the government is or your math is dumb or political talk about the positives or negatives of cutting. All that is just thinly veiled political talk. Thank you.

 

[Don Quixote]

Washington Post has an article on the return to office issues. Matches a lot of the complaints I’ve heard about lack of workspaces for everyone, and requiring folks to work on confidential matters in open work areas.

(Using gift link below for non-subscribers.)

https://wapo.st/41fU9MT

 

[RCon]

It's the look at how stupid the government is or your math is dumb or political talk about the positives or negatives of cutting. All that is just thinly veiled political talk. Thank you.

So to be clear, the offensive part of "X is the political version of girl math" is that it insinuates that X is dumb, not the rampant misogyny?

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's the look at how stupid the government is or your math is dumb or political talk about the positives or negatives of cutting. All that is just thinly veiled political talk. Thank you.

So to be clear, the offensive part of "X is the political version of girl math" is that it insinuates that X is dumb, not the rampant misogyny?

Not at all. Lots of people here think X is dumb. That's hardly a hot take.

You've been here long enough to know we don't want "rampant misogyny". Or at least I would have hoped.

To add:

We saw something posted way off-topic about math and had no idea what they were even talking about. Don't know what they're referring to exactly, but just knew it was off-topic, and we asked people not to do that.

Someone asked if they could talk about personal experience, and I said, "Yes. It's the look at how stupid the government is or your math is dumb or political talk about the positives or negatives of cutting. All that is just thinly veiled political talk. Thank you."

No idea how me asking people to keep it on topic is somehow suggesting "rampant misogyny" is ok.

If people see something posted that is rampant misogyny, of course we don't want that and please let us know and report it. We're able to see a tiny fraction of posts and need help from the forum.

Thanks.

 

[fatness]

Washington Post has an article about the mass retirings/resignations/layoffs/firings --- what was planned and is being done --- in 3 phases. The agencies planned to be hit in phases 1 and 2 are listed. Phase 3 starts soon. There are specific groups of employees it targets are explained; the only agencies I see that it mentions being targeted in phase 3 are HHS and the VA.

 

[-OZ-]

Washington Post has an article about the mass retirings/resignations/layoffs/firings --- what was planned and is being done --- in 3 phases. The agencies planned to be hit in phases 1 and 2 are listed. Phase 3 starts soon. There are specific groups of employees it targets are explained; the only agencies I see that it mentions being targeted in phase 3 are HHS and the VA.

Fwiw, I was very close to leaving DoD for a remote position with the VA last summer. Thankfully I decided I like the people I work with and even then didn’t fully trust that the position would remain remote.

 

[The Z Machine]

Well we lost two good people today. Been working in my group for 20 years if not longer as contractors and just flipped over earlier and since they were probationary they were let go so. The whole reason we brought them on is we were short-staffed to begin with. So frustrating

Still no idea about anyone else currently

Damn, that's gotta suck for them. Can they get hired as contractors again?

 

[The Z Machine]

Appreciate all the info in here despite trying my best not to post in it for self-preservation reasons. To add another anecdote about the chaos, had an emergency meeting called at 4:30 yesterday where HQ let us know that even though our agency is statutorily required to operate independently of the larger department, our arguments that they can't mandate our personnel decisions were not accepted. In other words, we had to follow through with the mass firings of 100 probationary employees and we should call to let them know before the termination emails come out at 5 pm. So I called the lone probie in my group (who was doing a standout job, btw) to break the news. About two hours later, HQ calls another emergency meeting to inform us that the department recalled their previous email about our independence with basically a "whoops, nevermind." So then I had to call the probie back to let them know they weren't fired afterall. At least for now...

Terrible. I'm sorry, Scorchy. Hope you personally won't be affected.

Have to think that probie is gonna be looking for another job as of last week.

 

[Orange&Blue]

Just odd at how quickly this has been rushed through. There is without question going to be legal challenges and if the mass layoffs are reversed it will be an even bigger cost.

My thoughts are with everyone who is losing their jobs.

Probationary employees don't have many legal protections from being terminated. I'm pretty sure the government can easily release those employees. The reality is those are the ones who should have considered the deferred resignation the hardest.

I know a probationary employee who was very concerned and was considering the offer. The deadline was then extended by court order. This gave the employee more time to consider the offer. All of a sudden, the court order was removed and before much consideration could be done, the offer deadline occurred. I imagine if a clear deadline was given, more probationary employees might have taken the offer.

that was also on purpose once they saw not as many workers were taking the offer

if they had taken the offer they would have drawn salary for several more months. now, they get nothing.

 

[belljr]

Just odd at how quickly this has been rushed through. There is without question going to be legal challenges and if the mass layoffs are reversed it will be an even bigger cost.

My thoughts are with everyone who is losing their jobs.

Probationary employees don't have many legal protections from being terminated. I'm pretty sure the government can easily release those employees. The reality is those are the ones who should have considered the deferred resignation the hardest.

I know a probationary employee who was very concerned and was considering the offer. The deadline was then extended by court order. This gave the employee more time to consider the offer. All of a sudden, the court order was removed and before much consideration could be done, the offer deadline occurred. I imagine if a clear deadline was given, more probationary employees might have taken the offer.

that was also on purpose once they saw not as many workers were taking the offer

if they had taken the offer they would have drawn salary for several more months. now, they get nothing.

Actually and I cannot verify but I was told a probationary employee took the resign but then was let go

Shameful if true

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Evidently about 300 FAA probationary employees were fired. No further commentary as this isn’t a political statement.

x.com

x.com

 

[Max Power]

Just odd at how quickly this has been rushed through. There is without question going to be legal challenges and if the mass layoffs are reversed it will be an even bigger cost.

My thoughts are with everyone who is losing their jobs.

Probationary employees don't have many legal protections from being terminated. I'm pretty sure the government can easily release those employees. The reality is those are the ones who should have considered the deferred resignation the hardest.

I know a probationary employee who was very concerned and was considering the offer. The deadline was then extended by court order. This gave the employee more time to consider the offer. All of a sudden, the court order was removed and before much consideration could be done, the offer deadline occurred. I imagine if a clear deadline was given, more probationary employees might have taken the offer.

that was also on purpose once they saw not as many workers were taking the offer

if they had taken the offer they would have drawn salary for several more months. now, they get nothing.

Actually and I cannot verify but I was told a probationary employee took the resign but then was let go

Shameful if true

If this true it would really piss me off. I just got in to double check my emails and we never received a definitive answer on if DoD was eligible for the deferred resignation. To my knowledge they haven't processed the "resigns" yet. I know we had people submit.

It would be extra messed up if they didn't allow for the DR, but still fired probationary employees. As of this weekend our probationary employees are still good. We do a Two-year probation.

ETA: Just heard employees occupying exempted positions are NOT eligible to participate in DRP.

 

[Ilov80s]

Evidently about 300 FAA probationary employees were fired. No further commentary as this isn’t a political statement.

x.com

x.com

I thought I read somewhere and maybe people who work in different branches can clarify, that many of the probationary employees being let go aren’t new but new to their jobs. I saw someone say that when a person receives a promotion it’s often listed as probationary until they have proven competence in the new position and that some of these workers in the FAA are being let go because they have the word probationary attached to them.

 

[Max Power]

Evidently about 300 FAA probationary employees were fired. No further commentary as this isn’t a political statement.

x.com

x.com

I thought I read somewhere and maybe people who work in different branches can clarify, that many of the probationary employees being let go aren’t new but new to their jobs. I saw someone say that when a person receives a promotion it’s often listed as probationary until they have proven competence in the new position and that some of these workers in the FAA are being let go because they have the word probationary attached to them.

If a person is switching between agencies, they may have to be probationary again, but it depends on the agency and job. I can move around the DoD without needing to be a probationary employee again.

 

[belljr]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

 

[The Z Machine]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

 

[culdeus]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

 

[dgreen]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

That’s a different kind of probationary status. Not cutting it during that probationary period would just lead to a move back down to the prior grade and no management duties. Those people have the same employment protections as anyone else with 1+ year of government employment.

 

[The Z Machine]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

That’s a different kind of probationary status. Not cutting it during that probationary period would just lead to a move back down to the prior grade and no management duties. Those people have the same employment protections as anyone else with 1+ year of government employment.

That's good to hear. Hope it stays that way and there aren't good people caught up in the meat grinder.

 

[Buckna]

Just odd at how quickly this has been rushed through. There is without question going to be legal challenges and if the mass layoffs are reversed it will be an even bigger cost.

My thoughts are with everyone who is losing their jobs.

Probationary employees don't have many legal protections from being terminated. I'm pretty sure the government can easily release those employees. The reality is those are the ones who should have considered the deferred resignation the hardest.

I know a probationary employee who was very concerned and was considering the offer. The deadline was then extended by court order. This gave the employee more time to consider the offer. All of a sudden, the court order was removed and before much consideration could be done, the offer deadline occurred. I imagine if a clear deadline was given, more probationary employees might have taken the offer.

that was also on purpose once they saw not as many workers were taking the offer

if they had taken the offer they would have drawn salary for several more months. now, they get nothing.

Actually and I cannot verify but I was told a probationary employee took the resign but then was let go

Shameful if true

There are multiple reports of this on the internet. But it is the internet so no way to know for sure.

 

[the moops]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

That’s a different kind of probationary status. Not cutting it during that probationary period would just lead to a move back down to the prior grade and no management duties. Those people have the same employment protections as anyone else with 1+ year of government employment.

That's good to hear. Hope it stays that way and there aren't good people caught up in the meat grinder.

Everything I am reading says that this probationary status that DOGE is targeting also includes (or at least can include) longtime civil service workers who move to a different agency or job.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

Not really. I just follow some people on BlueSky, checked various new sites and try to use my critical thinking to best navigate it. Some of the stuff I read makes me scratch my head and wonder why it's not literally the only thing anyone is talking about. "The news" is like a glass vessel that has been dropped from a tall building and is sitting in shards in an abandonded parking lot.

 

[culdeus]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

Not really. I just follow some people on BlueSky, checked various new sites and try to use my critical thinking to best navigate it. Some of the stuff I read makes me scratch my head and wonder why it's not literally the only thing anyone is talking about. "The news" is like a glass vessel that has been dropped from a tall building and is sitting in shards in an abandonded parking lot.

One of the complexities of rif in the public space is let's say an exec says "let's put a big tiger team on how to leverage "important tech" or how to in source/outsource something expensive.

If the group fails to deliver it isn't because they are necessarily useless people. So ok go fire that team. They tend to be high performers if on an exec project.

We got a lot of new people in this way to our org. Their project got cancelled and they had to re apply to get their old job back. Like 10% did. This situation feels like same approach.

 

[Max Power]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

Government Executive

Government Executive is the leading source for news, information and analysis about the operations of the executive branch of the federal government.

www.govexec.com

Might be the best bet.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

Not really. I just follow some people on BlueSky, checked various new sites and try to use my critical thinking to best navigate it. Some of the stuff I read makes me scratch my head and wonder why it's not literally the only thing anyone is talking about. "The news" is like a glass vessel that has been dropped from a tall building and is sitting in shards in an abandonded parking lot.

One of the complexities of rif in the public space is let's say an exec says "let's put a big tiger team on how to leverage "important tech" or how to in source/outsource something expensive.

If the group fails to deliver it isn't because they are necessarily useless people. So ok go fire that team. They tend to be high performers if on an exec project.

We got a lot of new people in this way to our org. Their project got cancelled and they had to re apply to get their old job back. Like 10% did. This situation feels like same approach.

Some of the things I was referencing can't be discussed here- just about the backgrounds of some of the people making these high level decisions and given high level access. But I am surprised after a fatal air collision that the government can get away with cutting so many jobs related to air traffic and safety. It seems like this should be an absolutely massive scandal. It would be like if after a school shooting, a school district decided to roll back their security or after a large financial insitution gets hacked, they announce they are cutting their spending on cybersecurity. These should be changes people refuse to accept.

 

[BassNBrew]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

Not really. I just follow some people on BlueSky, checked various new sites and try to use my critical thinking to best navigate it. Some of the stuff I read makes me scratch my head and wonder why it's not literally the only thing anyone is talking about. "The news" is like a glass vessel that has been dropped from a tall building and is sitting in shards in an abandonded parking lot.

One of the complexities of rif in the public space is let's say an exec says "let's put a big tiger team on how to leverage "important tech" or how to in source/outsource something expensive.

If the group fails to deliver it isn't because they are necessarily useless people. So ok go fire that team. They tend to be high performers if on an exec project.

We got a lot of new people in this way to our org. Their project got cancelled and they had to re apply to get their old job back. Like 10% did. This situation feels like same approach.

Some of the things I was referencing can't be discussed here- just about the backgrounds of some of the people making these high level decisions and given high level access. But I am surprised after a fatal air collision that the government can get away with cutting so many jobs related to air traffic and safety. It seems like this should be an absolutely massive scandal. It would be like if after a school shooting, a school district decided to roll back their security or after a large financial insitution gets hacked, they announce they are cutting their spending on cybersecurity. These should be changes people refuse to accept.

Not disagreeing with you, but I could see letting go of people in positions overseeing cyber security or security in general if something happened on their watch that they should have prevented.

 

[ghostguy123]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

This happens somewhat frequently in hospitals.

 

[The Z Machine]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

This happens somewhat frequently in hospitals.

Pretty terrible way to do business, methinks.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is there a reliable news source on this whole event? News seems to say they fire people then spend the next few days trying to rehire people at places like the FAA or DoE.

Not really. I just follow some people on BlueSky, checked various new sites and try to use my critical thinking to best navigate it. Some of the stuff I read makes me scratch my head and wonder why it's not literally the only thing anyone is talking about. "The news" is like a glass vessel that has been dropped from a tall building and is sitting in shards in an abandonded parking lot.

One of the complexities of rif in the public space is let's say an exec says "let's put a big tiger team on how to leverage "important tech" or how to in source/outsource something expensive.

If the group fails to deliver it isn't because they are necessarily useless people. So ok go fire that team. They tend to be high performers if on an exec project.

We got a lot of new people in this way to our org. Their project got cancelled and they had to re apply to get their old job back. Like 10% did. This situation feels like same approach.

Some of the things I was referencing can't be discussed here- just about the backgrounds of some of the people making these high level decisions and given high level access. But I am surprised after a fatal air collision that the government can get away with cutting so many jobs related to air traffic and safety. It seems like this should be an absolutely massive scandal. It would be like if after a school shooting, a school district decided to roll back their security or after a large financial insitution gets hacked, they announce they are cutting their spending on cybersecurity. These should be changes people refuse to accept.

Not disagreeing with you, but I could see letting go of people in positions overseeing cyber security or security in general if something happened on their watch that they should have prevented.

Yes if it was their fault, replacing them would be reasonable. Doing so because you want to reduce expenses is entirely different. That’s what is happening here obviously.

 

[fatness]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[fruity pebbles]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

This happens somewhat frequently in hospitals.

One of the many reasons I’m content where I am with 20 years of seniority as a nurse and union protection.

 

[ghostguy123]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

This happens somewhat frequently in hospitals.

One of the many reasons I’m content where I am with 20 years of seniority as a nurse and union protection.

I don't have union protection, but it's one of the many reasons I've turned down an assistant manager position 3 times.
Whenever cuts happen, management positions are the first to be looked at.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

This happens somewhat frequently in hospitals.

One of the many reasons I’m content where I am with 20 years of seniority as a nurse and union protection.

I don't have union protection, but it's one of the many reasons I've turned down an assistant manager position 3 times.
Whenever cuts happen, management positions are the first to be looked at.

Yup and middle management in particular, which hospitals typically have too many of. They are all salaried as well. If I worked their hours, I’d be taking a pay cut.

 

[Instinctive]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

This happens somewhat frequently in hospitals.

One of the many reasons I’m content where I am with 20 years of seniority as a nurse and union protection.

I don't have union protection, but it's one of the many reasons I've turned down an assistant manager position 3 times.
Whenever cuts happen, management positions are the first to be looked at.

For good reason. I don't think I've ever been to a client that didn't have too many people in managerial roles with too small a span of people reporting to them.

Maybe the individual power plants of this one client. They ran a tight ship. But corporate office had too many managers with too few reports.

 

[Orange&Blue]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm sorry, but this is just incompetence or news exaggerating a situation

I have 15 people working for me and I have their personal phone numbers (because agency too cheap to give work cell) and their home addresses. My boss and his boss all have this information for emergency recall situations

 

[Capella]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm sorry, but this is just incompetence or news exaggerating a situation

I have 15 people working for me and I have their personal phone numbers (because agency too cheap to give work cell) and their home addresses. My boss and his boss all have this information for emergency recall situations

Yes it’s the incompetence of middle management not the people firing the wrong folks for no reason.

 

[Ilov80s]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm sorry, but this is just incompetence or news exaggerating a situation

I have 15 people working for me and I have their personal phone numbers (because agency too cheap to give work cell) and their home addresses. My boss and his boss all have this information for emergency recall situations

I agree that seems very weird but perhaps they all had govt emails and govt phones and once those were shut-off and taken away, they no longer had a way to contact them immediately. It probably required a info from HR and then hoping that was still up to date and that the staff were interested in taking their calls at the time.

 

[Nugget]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm sorry, but this is just incompetence or news exaggerating a situation

I have 15 people working for me and I have their personal phone numbers (because agency too cheap to give work cell) and their home addresses. My boss and his boss all have this information for emergency recall situations

I don't have a personal phone - only work. If I get fired my first stop is likely T-Mobile.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm sorry, but this is just incompetence or news exaggerating a situation

I have 15 people working for me and I have their personal phone numbers (because agency too cheap to give work cell) and their home addresses. My boss and his boss all have this information for emergency recall situations

Nobody at work has my personal cell or email. If they fire me, they can send me mail at home — they have my home address. They could knock on the door.

But they don’t have anything else, and that’s by my choice.

 

[BlackCrowes]

"National Nuclear Security Administration officials on Friday attempted to notify some employees who had been let go the day before that they are now due to be reinstated — but they struggled to find them because they didn’t have their new contact information. In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”"

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

oh, the DOE does that?

 

[Don Quixote]

If you get promoted to a management position you become probationary

Some people were contractors and recently switched to government employee

Some are just new hires

it would be so sad to see someone promoted to management after putting in 15+ years as an individual contributor only to get canned because of this purge.

That’s a different kind of probationary status. Not cutting it during that probationary period would just lead to a move back down to the prior grade and no management duties. Those people have the same employment protections as anyone else with 1+ year of government employment.

That's good to hear. Hope it stays that way and there aren't good people caught up in the meat grinder.

Everything I am reading says that this probationary status that DOGE is targeting also includes (or at least can include) longtime civil service workers who move to a different agency or job.

100% confirmed that they are. Happened to someone at my wife’s department/agency. Worked there for 15 years. Did not switch department/agency, but switched roles from a lawyer to a non-lawyer role last year. He was considered on probation. He was fired.