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Palm Beach Post

Culpepper sits out first-team practice By Craig Dolch

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, October 05, 2006

DAVIE — Miami Dolphins quarterback Daunte Culpepper didn't take any snaps with the starting offense during Thursday's practice, Miami-based WQAM radio reported today.

Joey Harrington worked with the first-teamers while Culpepper, who was dressed in pads, watched the session in the team's bubble, the station reported. Harrington has not thrown a pass this season during the team's 1-3 start.

Dolphins coach Nick Saban didn't say anything about Culpepper missing the practice during his daily press conference (workouts are closed to the media) and he was unavailable for comment after Culpepper's name showed up on the league's injury list Thursday with a right shoulder ailment.

On the injury report, the Dolphins acknowledged Culpepper didn't participate in at least a portion of practice. Culpepper is listed as probable for Sunday's game at New England — as is Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, also with a sore right shoulder.

It's rare when a player is listed as "probable" doesn't play in an NFL game.

Culpepper has been sacked a league-high 21 times this season. But this is the first time he's been listed on a regular-season injury list despite undergoing major knee surgery last fall.

Dolphins left guard Jeno James, who missed Wednesday's practice with a swollen knee, took part in Thursday's workout.
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Sun Sentinel

Culpepper may not start against New England

By Alex Marvez

sun-sentinel.com

Posted October 6 2006, 1:00 PM EDT

DAVIE – Although he returned to practice Friday, Dolphins quarterback Daunte Culpepper may not start Sunday's game at New England because of a right shoulder injury.

Dolphins coach Nick Saban said the team has not decided whether to play Culpepper or backup Joey Harrington.

"This is not an issue relative to results or anything that has happened in games," said Saban, whose 1-3 team has struggled with Culpepper at the helm. "It's a physical, medical, ability issue. Can the guy do what he needs to do to be successful? If we were 4-0 right now, we'd be having the same conversation."

Culpepper, who was held out of the bulk of Thursday's practice because of soreness, declined comment on Friday.
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I very much doubt that Culpepper would get benched for poor performance.

However, Saban would probably like to get a look at Joey in a game situation. Culpepper's "injury" gives Saban an excuse to at least get a look.

 
Couldn't this simply be Saban taking a subtle poke at the Pats for always listing Brady as probable with a shoulder ailment?

 
BigJim® said:
Couldn't this simply be Saban taking a subtle poke at the Pats for always listing Brady as probable with a shoulder ailment?
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If Daunte would have participated in the full practice Id say maybe, but that wasnt the case.Phantom injury maybe, but I think Miami needs to try SOEMTHING to spark the offense (if thats even possible with that O-Line
 
BigJim® said:
Couldn't this simply be Saban taking a subtle poke at the Pats for always listing Brady as probable with a shoulder ailment?
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Short recap of long thread from this summer:Brady has treatments done on his shoulder every week. When this first started happening, they didn't list him on the injury report because there was no doubt that he would play. The league then fined the Patriots for not listing Brady on the injury report after the kind of treatment he got. Thus, because they don't want to be fined again, he's listed as probable every week.In answer to your question, no, I don't think Saban cares about Brady always being probable.
 
#@%&$!? said:
Koya said:
Here comes the FFA overeactive hype.Again.
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Can't deny how bad cpepp's been looking though. Harrington sucks as bad, so this is a no win situation for Miami fans.
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But I can point to the articles where Saban said that they felt Pepp would benefit from a day of rest.I can point to the fact that Pepp was praised by the coaching staff and awarded the offensive game ball last week.I can point to the fact that the Dolphins only real future in terms of players on their roster is if Pepp can continue to heal and regain strength from his injury - not going to Harrington.I can also point to the fact that this is the same board which has declared Najeh Davenport a stud in the making who is about to take over the starting Rbs job the last three years. Or Trung Candidate. Or any player that has an iota of a hint of maybe, possibly somehow getting a chance to get some playing time.Right now, it is the usual Hype machine, probably fueled by a few Joey owners who didnt have the chance to see how awful he was in detroit - nor how awful the Dolphins O-line has been this year. As if Joey would do any better given an opportunity.
 
My Hope Street Alias said:
If Harrington is the answer, then I don't want to know the question.
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The question is... who is the Shark Pool going to hype based upon emotion and wishful thinking rather than any semblence of reality, this week.Edit to add: IF Harrington starts, as noted in this article, it would have nothing to do with performance. If Pepp is able to play, he will. He is the starter. There is no news here other than a minor injury to Pepp that is worth keeping an eye on just to make sure he is able to go.
 
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If Harrington is the answer in Miami, that automatically put them below Oakland and Detroit in terms of embarrassment. :bag:

 
Koya said:
#@%&$!? said:
Koya said:
Here comes the FFA overeactive hype.Again.
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Can't deny how bad cpepp's been looking though. Harrington sucks as bad, so this is a no win situation for Miami fans.
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But I can point to the articles where Saban said that they felt Pepp would benefit from a day of rest.I can point to the fact that Pepp was praised by the coaching staff and awarded the offensive game ball last week.I can point to the fact that the Dolphins only real future in terms of players on their roster is if Pepp can continue to heal and regain strength from his injury - not going to Harrington.I can also point to the fact that this is the same board which has declared Najeh Davenport a stud in the making who is about to take over the starting Rbs job the last three years. Or Trung Candidate. Or any player that has an iota of a hint of maybe, possibly somehow getting a chance to get some playing time.Right now, it is the usual Hype machine, probably fueled by a few Joey owners who didnt have the chance to see how awful he was in detroit - nor how awful the Dolphins O-line has been this year. As if Joey would do any better given an opportunity.
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easy there. I get that culpepper's just being rested. I don't see too much hype over harrington. Joey would probably suck as bad or worse if he started.
 
The most damning criticism of Harrington at this point:

LHUCKS has not appeared in this thread to pump him up.

Lack of such activity indicates to me that Harrington must indeed suck.

 
from what I have been hearing, part of the problem is the culpepper is learning the offense very slowly - he is taking too long to go through his progressions, so he holds the ball a little too long, and consequentially, takes too many sacks.

I, for one, am curious to see what Harrington can do. He couldn't get it done in Det, but then again, who could? If Harrington does get the start, I'm not sure what the impact on the rest of the team will be. He wa a starting NFL QB for several years, it's not like they are going with Damon Huard here. I'm not convinced Harrington will be a significant downgrade.

 
I was at the game last week. An NFL game is much different in person. You can see the entire field. You can see the entire defense and watch the entire play develop. One thing was clear. C'Pep is not right. He is slow to make a decision.

Considering the problems the Dolphins have on their OL, C'pep is compounding the situation with the fact he cannot deliver the football in a timely manner. He is not seeing, reading and reacting. Many of this throws that he does get off are not anywhere near to target. This is the same player that had one of the best seasons...ever...by a QB not too long ago. Something is not right.

The only point he could do anything last week was when the Texans dropped their coverage. Texans and coverage is oxymoronic. Their defensive backfield has 1 player capable of playing down in and out on Sundays...D. Robinson. In theory C'Pep should have shredded those guys all afternoon.

You hate to see a player struggling in such a manner and no one outside of Saban and Co. really know if this is physical, mental or parts of each. Given what I saw last week, though, I could see where Saban might opt to test drive Harrington.

 
WhoDat said:
I was at the game last week. An NFL game is much different in person. You can see the entire field. You can see the entire defense and watch the entire play develop. One thing was clear. C'Pep is not right. He is slow to make a decision. Considering the problems the Dolphins have on their OL, C'pep is compounding the situation with the fact he cannot deliver the football in a timely manner. He is not seeing, reading and reacting. Many of this throws that he does get off are not anywhere near to target. This is the same player that had one of the best seasons...ever...by a QB not too long ago. Something is not right.
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I'm sure it may look even worse when you're actually there, but seeing what I've seen of Duante on t.v. this year he's looked absolutely brutal. I really don't think (as mediocre as Joey is) the Dolphins could do worse at this point.
 
I was checking out the FinHeaven.com message boards and there is a lot of talk about Culpepper & Harrington. Apparently Pep practiced on Fri and took about 75% of the snaps, didn't require any sort of post-practice medical attention, and looked good. But who knows. Some are saying that Saban is just trying to keep NE off-guard by making them prepare for 2 QBs. Others are saying that Pep could likely start, but that he may be on a short leash and if he struggles then Joey could start the 2nd half.

I'm torn and would like to know what's going on since my only other option is start Plummer against Baltimore.

Haven't heard or read anything about Saturday practice, and apparently Saban won't announce a starting QB until gameday.

 
Spartans Rule said:
fosio said:
Some are saying that Saban is just trying to keep NE off-guard by making them prepare for 2 QBs.
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Brilliant! The Patriots will have no idea whether Dolphin passes are going to sail over the receivers' heads or hit them in the feet.
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HA HA HA! ROTFLMFAO....You're pretty freakin' funny! :rolleyes: Mock me if you want, [self-edited]

But I'm just passing along what I read on another message board about the C-Pep & Harrington situation--- granted it was a Miami Dolphins message board. They said that he could be participating in some "gamemanship" with Belicheck, seeings as how he's a Belicheck disciple and apparently Belicheck is known to be not absolutely forthright with his use of the injury report. So, like I said, take it for what it's worth.

By the way, your Spartans did well today. At least my Huskies showed up and had a chance to compete today against the #3 team in the country. Better than I can say about your "Spartans".

Anyhooo...don't shoot the messenger but from FinHeaven.com (again - if the link works):

Scout.com reports Harrington will start...

It's a premium site but I run Dolphin Digest and found the report there.

Quote:

Scout.com has learned QB Joey Harrington is expected to make his first start for the Miami Dolphins on Sunday in place of starter Daunte Culpepper, who is suffering from a bruised shoulder. Culpepper will likely be active on Sunday as the No. 2 quarterback

 
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fosio said:
I was checking out the FinHeaven.com message boards and there is a lot of talk about Culpepper & Harrington. Apparently Pep practiced on Fri and took about 75% of the snaps, didn't require any sort of post-practice medical attention, and looked good. But who knows. Some are saying that Saban is just trying to keep NE off-guard by making them prepare for 2 QBs. Others are saying that Pep could likely start, but that he may be on a short leash and if he struggles then Joey could start the 2nd half.I'm torn and would like to know what's going on since my only other option is start Plummer against Baltimore. Haven't heard or read anything about Saturday practice, and apparently Saban won't announce a starting QB until gameday.
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good info Thanks!!!BTW, your options aren't very sexy at all but personally I shy off of QB's if I think they won't play possibly or might get pulled mid game as Culpepper could. 0's or 45 yards are difficult things to overcome. However, I'd look at my matchup for the week to help determine what I'd need in my game. If you have a team that will either be competitive or cruise to victory I'd tend to go the conservative route and take the sure points with Plummer (though they could be few). If I had a game where I was a longshot to win I might be willing to take a chance on an iffy type guy or an iffy thing happening (like a backup RB scoring a TD) if I thought I needed the upside to have a chance. That said, I haven't looked at the ratings this week between Culpepper and Plummer so it's hard for me to say. Still, if they're close I'd go with Plummer if I thought Culpepper was risky to start or finish the game. Lastly, any suggestions I make will probably cause your team to lose. :rolleyes: :D
 
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Update: Although Culpepper (bruised throwing shoulder) practiced Friday and is listed as probable for Sunday's game against New England, Coach Nick Saban said he will have to decide sometime before Sunday's kickoff whether to start Culpepper or backup Joey Harrington, the Miami Herald reports. Recommendation: Players listed as probable are almost always physically able to play, but this could be a situation where Saban is mulling a change to spark the team's offense, one that could be explained by an injury. Saban said he would discuss the decision with Culpepper but ultimately would make a decision that could potentially "protect people from themselves."
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What does the last quote part mean?
 
gbill2004 said:
Update: Although Culpepper (bruised throwing shoulder) practiced Friday and is listed as probable for Sunday's game against New England, Coach Nick Saban said he will have to decide sometime before Sunday's kickoff whether to start Culpepper or backup Joey Harrington, the Miami Herald reports.

Recommendation: Players listed as probable are almost always physically able to play, but this could be a situation where Saban is mulling a change to spark the team's offense, one that could be explained by an injury. Saban said he would discuss the decision with Culpepper but ultimately would make a decision that could potentially "protect people from themselves."
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What does the last quote part mean?
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I presume it means that C-Pep probably thinks he's good to go, but his body (shoulder, knee (?), mind, etc.) may not necessarily be up to par and he could do more damage to himself by trying to play through any injury/discomfort. Pro athletes, by and by, are ultra-competitive and, for the most part, are willing to play through any injury and pain in order to get/stay on the field. Some, to the detriment of themselves and their team.
 
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fosio said:
Spartans Rule said:
fosio said:
Some are saying that Saban is just trying to keep NE off-guard by making them prepare for 2 QBs.
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Brilliant! The Patriots will have no idea whether Dolphin passes are going to sail over the receivers' heads or hit them in the feet.
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HA HA HA! ROTFLMFAO....You're pretty freakin' funny! :rolleyes: Mock me if you want, [self-edited]

But I'm just passing along what I read on another message board about the C-Pep & Harrington situation--- granted it was a Miami Dolphins message board. They said that he could be participating in some "gamemanship" with Belicheck, seeings as how he's a Belicheck disciple and apparently Belicheck is known to be not absolutely forthright with his use of the injury report. So, like I said, take it for what it's worth.

By the way, your Spartans did well today. At least my Huskies showed up and had a chance to compete today against the #3 team in the country. Better than I can say about your "Spartans".

Anyhooo...don't shoot the messenger but from FinHeaven.com (again - if the link works):

Scout.com reports Harrington will start...

It's a premium site but I run Dolphin Digest and found the report there.

Quote:

Scout.com has learned QB Joey Harrington is expected to make his first start for the Miami Dolphins on Sunday in place of starter Daunte Culpepper, who is suffering from a bruised shoulder. Culpepper will likely be active on Sunday as the No. 2 quarterback
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Holy crap, guy. Relax.Not mocking you. Just a couple quarterbacks. Don't know why anyone would take that personally.

 
If Harrington starts today, and is successful, any chance that he starts the reast of the season, or is it a guarantee that Daunte will return at some point??

 
gbill2004 said:
If Harrington starts today, and is successful, any chance that he starts the reast of the season, or is it a guarantee that Daunte will return at some point??
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As a Detroit homer, I wouldn't lose too much sleep worrying about that possiblity . . .
 
jimweldy said:
gbill2004 said:
If Harrington starts today, and is successful, any chance that he starts the reast of the season, or is it a guarantee that Daunte will return at some point??
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As a Detroit homer, I wouldn't lose too much sleep worrying about that possiblity . . .
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Well, in pre season Joey looked 100 times better than Daunte.Joey was the number 3 overall pick for a reason. Maybe he just needed time, and the right situation to flourish???Daunte has looked absolutely brutal, so I think Joey could actually be an upgrade.
 
i always liked harrington, if given a shot i think he will lead this team to a possible playoff birth. he has the weapons and the talent, now he needs the confidence of saban and the fans.

 
Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports there are indications Miami Dolphins QB Daunte Culpepper (shoulder) will sit out the Week 5 game and QB Joey Harrington will get the start.

 
Spartans Rule said:
fosio said:
Some are saying that Saban is just trying to keep NE off-guard by making them prepare for 2 QBs.
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Brilliant! The Patriots will have no idea whether Dolphin passes are going to sail over the receivers' heads or hit them in the feet.
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You owe me a new keyboard and monitor now that my coffee has ruined them. Classic. :lmao:
 
From FinHeaven.com message boards:

They just announce on 790 that Joey will start today agaisnt the Pats.....GO JOEY!.....i have serious faith in him....lets hope the score is something like 28-14 dolphins!!....im really estatic just to watch joey play....just imagine how the turn around would be if we won this game.....
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And ESPN has a story by Mort
 
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But is CPep OUT due to injury, or is he active serving as backup. If out due to the shoulder, he can be placed on IR in leagues that allow it.

 
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