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Hot Stove - 2009 Edition (2 Viewers)

Losing Beltre isn't going to upgrade the M's on defense regardless of who they get in return. Well, unless it's Evan Longoria, but that isn't going to happen.The Mariners should be looking at a high risk/high upside starter like Harden or Sheets now, imo. If they re-sign Branyan and add Harden to what they've got, I would really not want to play this team in the first round. Now can they please, please, please sign Felix for longer than they're willing to sign any other pitcher for? Please?
Can you imagine if this team had drafted Lincecum instead of Brandon Morrow?Then they wouldn't have had to trade Adam Jones for Erik Bedard.
I have a friend who doesn't refer to Brandon Morrow by his name. Instead, he refers to him as "not Tim Lincecum."You've just hit on two of the most painful memories from the Bavasi era. They both make me very sad, but at least he's finally gone and we've got what looks like a badass front office now. The M's should be good again soon.
 
Given Seattle's focus on defense, it would be a backwards move to add Bay's extremely crappy defense to the outfield.
I don't think Seattle's focused on defense as much as they're focused on finding cheap wins, and right now defense is a cheaper asset to acquire than offense. The other thing the new managment seems to really value is flexibility. They brought in Hall, Hanahan, and Langerhans during the season last year, all of whom can play multiple positions, and do it well. Their big FA grab this year has been Figgins, who can also play just about everywhere. We already have a guy who isn't going anywhere that can't play the field in Griffey, and considering how they seem to value flexibility, I can't see them tying up a second roster spot on someone who can't play the field - unless, of course, he comes on the cheap. Personally, I don't want them paying anywhere near 4/60 for Bay.Bay's good at expensive assets, and bad at cheap assets. He also shouldn't ever wear a glove, he gave away close to half his offensive value over the last couple years in the field. He appears to not have any of the assets the current management looks for, and I really don't think he'll end up as a Mariner unless he wants to take a lot less to play here. Power hitters who can't play defense typically don't look great at the end of their last big contract, and I think there's a good bit of risk over the last two years of that deal, and I don't think there's much upside in the first two considering the price he'll command. As a Mariner fan, I'm hoping for Harden and Nick Johnson.
 
Given Seattle's focus on defense, it would be a backwards move to add Bay's extremely crappy defense to the outfield.
They need a DH too.Griffey is toast.
I don't disagree, but Griffey really came on toward the end of the season last year, and some local writers seem to think that has more to do with him finally getting healthy and less to do with facing AAA callup pitching. I'm not sure. Reportedly, the team was not pleased with the condition he came to camp in last year, and he's been informed that if he wants any sort of playing time he's going to need to show up a lot slimmer. I'm not sure if I think any of that will make him useful, but either way, it's incredibly awesome watching Jr. play as a Mariner again, so I'll just focus on that rather than on the fact that he's probably hurting the team by being there, unless you're a big believer in clubhouse chemistry.
 
nothing wrong with a "slight" downgrade if it gets you younger. I dont think A-Jax can be what Granderson already is. I like this if it happens
Well...You gave up Ian Kennedy, Phil Coke and Austin Jackson and you are downgrading your team. Is that really worth getting younger? I mean, why not just keep the prospects and sign Matt Holliday. You would be upgrading LF, get younger and keep your prospects. This trade really makes no sense to me from a Yankees POV.
Ian kennedy & Phil Coke are worthless. Are you really calling them prospects? Yanks also get a young CF with a decent contract that they control for a few years. And finally, while I think Jackson is a decent prospect there is always the chance that he doesnt pan out. This move makes tons of sense for the Yankees. And like I said earlier, I think they will still sign one of Damon or Matsui to play DH.
I just don't understand what the hype is for Granderson. He looks like he peaked at age 26 and is on the downward slope to mediocrity.
That 26 year old still has done more than Jackson, Coke and Kennedy put together. We're those 3 guys involved at all in the ### whooping we put on the Phillies and the rest of the AL?
Yeah, but who's playing LF and who is DHing. If Melky Cabrera is on the opening day LFer for the Yankees, their lineup will be weaker. Your getting rid of one of Damon (OPS+ 126) or Matsui (OPS+ 131) and inserting Granderson (OPS+ 100).
 
I don't disagree, but Griffey really came on toward the end of the season last year
He had a decent August (.817 OPS) but then regressed to a .768 OPS in Sept/Oct.He gets on base at a terrible clip and his slugging is nothing spectacular. I cant imagine you would want him as a full time DH.Also, I'm not so sure how much you can expect a 40 year old (I still can't believe that he is 40!) to improve, or even continue what he did in the latter half of last year.
 
Rangers on verge of signing Rick Harden.

1 year 7.5 million with an option of 11.5 million for 2011.

This would make me many happys.

 
Lowell and a whole boat load of cash to Texas for Max Ramirez is nearly a done deal.
This works well for Texas. Lowell provides that RH bat that will DH most games and give Young/Davis a breather at the corner from time to time. If Boston picks up almost all of his salary as they are reporting, then it makes things even better for Texas.I am a huge Max Ramirez fan, but his bat has not shown the potential of last year and he is getting passed up by other prospects as true catchers. His upside at this point will be as an everyday DH.
 
Lowell and a whole boat load of cash to Texas for Max Ramirez is nearly a done deal.
This works well for Texas. Lowell provides that RH bat that will DH most games and give Young/Davis a breather at the corner from time to time. If Boston picks up almost all of his salary as they are reporting, then it makes things even better for Texas.I am a huge Max Ramirez fan, but his bat has not shown the potential of last year and he is getting passed up by other prospects as true catchers. His upside at this point will be as an everyday DH.
Nice grab for your Rangers, Lowell can still hit and more DH time should keep him healthier.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/An...?urn=mlb,207875

Rosenthal has reported that the Angels and Phillies are in talks for Halladay.

Angels would give up Saunders, Aybar and a minor-league CF prospect.

Phillies would give up Happ and one of Domenic Brown/Michael Taylor (2 OF prospects, probably number 2 and 3 prospects in the whole system behind Drabek.) Supposedly the Phillies would need to also move Blanton to have enough money.

edit: the Phillies part is actually what was described on the radio here, not in the link.

 
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I am a huge Max Ramirez fan, but his bat has not shown the potential of last year and he is getting passed up by other prospects as true catchers. His upside at this point will be as an everyday DH.
I wonder if the Sox see him in the 1B/DH/C rotation come 2011, with Martinez and Youkilis.Or, he could be on his way to Toronto in a deal for Halladay. :shrug:
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/An...?urn=mlb,207875

Rosenthal has reported that the Angels and Phillies are in talks for Halladay.

Angels would give up Saunders, Aybar and a minor-league CF prospect.

Phillies would give up Happ and one of Domenic Brown/Michael Taylor (2 OF prospects, probably number 2 and 3 prospects in the whole system behind Drabek.) Supposedly the Phillies would need to also move Blanton to have enough money.

edit: the Phillies part is actually what was described on the radio here, not in the link.
I can't see the Phils landing Halladay.
 
I am a huge Max Ramirez fan, but his bat has not shown the potential of last year and he is getting passed up by other prospects as true catchers. His upside at this point will be as an everyday DH.
I wonder if the Sox see him in the 1B/DH/C rotation come 2011, with Martinez and Youkilis.Or, he could be on his way to Toronto in a deal for Halladay. :goodposting:
If the Red Sox move Lowell, you will have Youkilis at 3B, Scuturo at SS, Pedroia at 2b, Martinez at 1B, Ramirez/Varitek at C, Ortiz at DH, no?
 
I am a huge Max Ramirez fan, but his bat has not shown the potential of last year and he is getting passed up by other prospects as true catchers. His upside at this point will be as an everyday DH.
I wonder if the Sox see him in the 1B/DH/C rotation come 2011, with Martinez and Youkilis.Or, he could be on his way to Toronto in a deal for Halladay. :confused:
If the Red Sox move Lowell, you will have Youkilis at 3B, Scuturo at SS, Pedroia at 2b, Martinez at 1B, Ramirez/Varitek at C, Ortiz at DH, no?
Varitek is a pure backup at this point. Maybe he'll catch 1 or 2 games a week. Martinez should be the regular catcher and playing at 1B on occasion to get a rest from catching. I don't see Ramirez playing full time at catcher at this point.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/An...?urn=mlb,207875

Rosenthal has reported that the Angels and Phillies are in talks for Halladay.

Angels would give up Saunders, Aybar and a minor-league CF prospect.

Phillies would give up Happ and one of Domenic Brown/Michael Taylor (2 OF prospects, probably number 2 and 3 prospects in the whole system behind Drabek.) Supposedly the Phillies would need to also move Blanton to have enough money.

edit: the Phillies part is actually what was described on the radio here, not in the link.
Before bolting for the airport, Amaro typically said he wouldn’t comment on the Halladay rumor. Asked in general terms, for a second straight day, about the likelihood of a “high-profile trade involving a starting pitcher,” Amaro said, “None. I don’t think there’s any likeliness. There’s nothing likely. How about that?”
http://blogs.delawareonline.com/philledin/...halladay-again/
 
Sox about to pick up Boof Bonser! Making big splashes this offseason.ScutaroMax RamirezJeremy HermidaBoofSox are apparently in a "bridge period" according to Theo......AWESOME!

“We talked about this a lot at the end of the year, that we’re kind of in a bridge period,’’ he said. “We still think that if we push some of the right buttons, we can be competitive at the very highest levels for the next two years. But we don’t want to compromise too much of the future for that competitiveness during the bridge period, but we all don’t want to sacrifice our competitiveness during the bridge just for the future. So we’re just trying to balance both those issues.’’
 
Sox are apparently in a "bridge period" according to Theo......AWESOME!
Rays apparently smell blood. 7M for Soriano today and making a hard push on Milton Bradley. :unsure:
Would not be shocked one bit to see the Rays come back to 2008 form. I think the Yankees will take a slight step back this year if they lose both Damon and Matsui, Pettitte/Rivera/Jeter/ARod another year older, etc.And I think Tampa's pitching (esp Shields, Garza, Price) steps up their games to higher levels this year. With some of these additions, the gap is a lot closer than people think...and depending on what else happens this offseason, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked to see the Rays back on top of the division in 10.
 
Sox are apparently in a "bridge period" according to Theo......AWESOME!
Rays apparently smell blood. 7M for Soriano today and making a hard push on Milton Bradley. :unsure:
You know that Milton Bradley is insane, right?
You know that Pat Burrell sucks, right? Milton is insane, but Ron Washington was able to control him a bit in 2008. The Rays think Maddon can do the same. If not, the financial commitment will be so small on their end that they can just cut him free.
 
Sox are apparently in a "bridge period" according to Theo......AWESOME!
Rays apparently smell blood. 7M for Soriano today and making a hard push on Milton Bradley. :thumbup:
Would not be shocked one bit to see the Rays come back to 2008 form. I think the Yankees will take a slight step back this year if they lose both Damon and Matsui, Pettitte/Rivera/Jeter/ARod another year older, etc.And I think Tampa's pitching (esp Shields, Garza, Price) steps up their games to higher levels this year. With some of these additions, the gap is a lot closer than people think...and depending on what else happens this offseason, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked to see the Rays back on top of the division in 10.
I think the Rays are #2 in the division right now. SP is still too young for me to assume more. Price and Niemann in their second years, Davis will be a rookie, and if he gets the call due to injury, Hellickson will be a rook as well.But I think they are definitely a real contender.
 
Sox are apparently in a "bridge period" according to Theo......AWESOME!
Rays apparently smell blood. 7M for Soriano today and making a hard push on Milton Bradley. :goodposting:
Would not be shocked one bit to see the Rays come back to 2008 form. I think the Yankees will take a slight step back this year if they lose both Damon and Matsui, Pettitte/Rivera/Jeter/ARod another year older, etc.And I think Tampa's pitching (esp Shields, Garza, Price) steps up their games to higher levels this year. With some of these additions, the gap is a lot closer than people think...and depending on what else happens this offseason, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked to see the Rays back on top of the division in 10.
I think the Rays are #2 in the division right now. SP is still too young for me to assume more. Price and Niemann in their second years, Davis will be a rookie, and if he gets the call due to injury, Hellickson will be a rook as well.But I think they are definitely a real contender.
Sox are definitely on the downswing depending what they do this offseason
 
Not sure where I am on Phillies / Halladay rumors.

Of course I'd like to see Halliday on the team but at what price?

Don't want to mortgage the entire future for a guy with a 1 year deal.

Also not sure if I'm comfortable signing him to the kind of 5 year deal (through age 37) he'd probably want.

Would be great to win another now but this team could get old very fast.

Heard rumors of moving Cole in the deal to get him but where does that put us, what is the upgrade worth considering their contracts?

Will be interesting to see how this one plays out and if Amaro can pull another rabbit out of his hat with the inclusion of a 3rd team.

Rumors being kicked around:

- Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com says that the Angels and Phillies have emerged as the frontrunners in the Roy Halladay sweepstakes. Philadelphia is prepared to offer a package that will likely include J.A. Happ, plus either Michael Taylor or Domonic Brown

- Mark Feinsand of The NY Daily News spoke to a source who said "Don't rule out them including Cole Hamels"

- Halladay will likely require a contract extension in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause according to Rosenthal, and the Phillies would almost certainly have to make another move to fit Halladay into the payroll. Joe Blanton is a prime candidate to be that sacrificial lamb.

 
Astros throw 15 million for 3 years at Brandon Lyon! And 4.5 million for Pedro Feliz!

:rolleyes: :lmao:

Good god some teams are dumb.

 
J.J. Putz to the White Sox 1 yr. @ $3M plus incentives if he closes.

I like this better than the Latroy Hawkins signing. I'm surprised Putz will be 33 on opening day. I always assume guys are 23-24 when they reach the majors. When they're 27, it really throws the perceived clock off.

 
J.J. Putz to the White Sox 1 yr. @ $3M plus incentives if he closes.I like this better than the Latroy Hawkins signing. I'm surprised Putz will be 33 on opening day. I always assume guys are 23-24 when they reach the majors. When they're 27, it really throws the perceived clock off.
Does he have anything left?He didnt pitch after May last year. Which followed a 2008 of below average pitching in only 47 innings.His K/9 dropped all the way down to 5.8. His walk numbers are awful the past 2 years (nearly 6 BB/9)
 
Astros throw 15 million for 3 years at Brandon Lyon! And 4.5 million for Pedro Feliz! :popcorn: :lmao: Good god some teams are dumb.
Lyon was great last year but not great enough to score that kind of deal.
Lyon was helped by a .229 BABIP last year, which would be worth $15M if he could repeat it for the next three seasons. I wonder if Ed Wade even knows what a .229 BABIP means.I fully expect him to return to being Brandon Lyon next year and the two years following.
 
Astros throw 15 million for 3 years at Brandon Lyon! And 4.5 million for Pedro Feliz! :unsure: :gang2: Good god some teams are dumb.
Lyon was great last year but not great enough to score that kind of deal.
Lyon was helped by a .229 BABIP last year, which would be worth $15M if he could repeat it for the next three seasons. I wonder if Ed Wade even knows what a .229 BABIP means.I fully expect him to return to being Brandon Lyon next year and the two years following.
He is a good pitcher. There are quite a few good pitchers who are middle relievers who can be signed for a #### ton less money than 15 million.I know he is 100 years old, but damn, Saito signed a one year deal for 3 million. A much better signing.
 
Astros throw 15 million for 3 years at Brandon Lyon! And 4.5 million for Pedro Feliz! :goodposting: :bs: Good god some teams are dumb.
Lyon was great last year but not great enough to score that kind of deal.
Lyon was helped by a .229 BABIP last year, which would be worth $15M if he could repeat it for the next three seasons. I wonder if Ed Wade even knows what a .229 BABIP means.I fully expect him to return to being Brandon Lyon next year and the two years following.
He is a good pitcher. There are quite a few good pitchers who are middle relievers who can be signed for a #### ton less money than 15 million.I know he is 100 years old, but damn, Saito signed a one year deal for 3 million. A much better signing.
I don't have any supporting data but I think RP performance is less predictable year to year than SPs or position players. This is due to (a) the variability of small IP samples, (b) the fact that many relievers aren't uber-elite talents, © high injury rates caused by throwing 20 pitches as hard as you can in consecutive games, and (d) Brad Lidge. Overpaying for a "proven closer" is one of dumber GM moves IMO. While it's true there are some pitchers who can't handle the pressure of closing, I don't believe it's that rare of a mental skill set among major leaguers. I think a lot of the inflated market for closers comes down to butt covering. If Coco Cordero can't shut the door, it's his fault but if team puts an unproven kid in the role and he fails, it reflects badly on the GM, the manager and the pitching coach.
 
Kansas City's signing of Jason Kendall to a two year deal makes them prohibitive front runners for the AL pennant.

On the downside, that's one less old, mediocre catcher for Brian Sabean to chase after

 
Kansas City's signing of Jason Kendall to a two year deal makes them prohibitive front runners for the AL pennant.On the downside, that's one less old, mediocre catcher for Brian Sabean to chase after
I'm going to remember this signing the next time someone complains about small market teams not competing with big markets.
 

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