Houston Texans sign DE Mario Williams (1 Viewer)

[Warhogs]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right? I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

 

[LHUCKS]

You know what I just realised?

Reggie Bush said many times before the draft that he would be very disappointed if he wasn't the #1 pick. We all know he has serious skills, but on a team like the Jets (I think it would be special for them not to trade up) with a HUGE chip on his shoulder, I could see him putting his team on his shoulders and just destroying the competition. He will want to be out their every play to PROVE to the Texans that they ####ed up royally.

HOUSTON TEXANS AT NEW YORK JETS NOVEMBER 26!!!

if he goes to the Jets.

 

[Jason Wood]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

 

[fsufan]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick to draft Bush

They have fired up the phone lines already....

2000 yard season guaranteed in year 2 or 3.

You know Shanny is working this.1st(15), 2,2nd, and a 3rd.

Pluss they want to unload Lelie and Bush would make RB's available for trade?????

Work it Shanny!!!

Shanny please do not. I have Bell in 3 dynasty leagues

 

[Texasmouth]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right? I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Doesn't Green Bay all ready have 12 running backs on the roster?

 

[Slider]

Why is anyone surprised Kubiak didn't take a RB #1?

 

[BassNBrew]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

Finally a voice of reason.

Why on Earth is that the voice of reason? The reason people refer to "the chart" is because a) Jimmy Johnson revolutionized draft value and trading with it and b) it's become the starting point for all such negotiations. Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

Because 3 = 4 in this situation.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

maybe this has been talked about, did not read all the thread. Does Denver move up to the #2 pick to draft Bush

They have fired up the phone lines already....

2000 yard season guaranteed in year 2 or 3.

You know Shanny is working this.1st(15), 2,2nd, and a 3rd.

Pluss they want to unload Lelie and Bush would make RB's available for trade?????

Work it Shanny!!!

I would trade the 15th overall, a 2nd rounder, and a first in 2007. We'll see if Shanny can get it done.

 

[CalBear]

Why on Earth is that the voice of reason? The reason people refer to "the chart" is because a) Jimmy Johnson revolutionized draft value and trading with it and b) it's become the starting point for all such negotiations. Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

Come on, you should know better than this.The chart is useful only before you attach actual players to it. It is very clear that D'Brick and #29 is worth more than D'Brick and #39. If the probability of getting D'Brick at #4 overall is very high, #4 and #29 are worth more than #3 and #29.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right? I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Probably too fantasy friendly to happen, BUT Javon Walker plus the 5th for the 2nd? That's fairly equivalent value actually.

 

[Portis 26]

Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

In a vacuum that may be the case but that ignores the specifics here.For example, if you're drafting fourth and you don't intend selecting a QB and you know that the Titans are going to take a QB, there's no reason whatsoever to trade up to 3rd.

 

[Warhogs]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right?  I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Doesn't Green Bay all ready have 12 running backs on the roster?

I believe Green and Davenport were both brought back on 1 year deals. No RB of the future there.

 

[BassNBrew]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

Bush goes second and we're right back where we started at #3.

 

[Obie Wan]

This isnt a good posting. Turn your TV on and watch it for yourself. The deal is SIGNED. Different than offering a contract. Once a deal is signed it is done.

Sure. I'm sure I was wrong to suspect that it was a ploy. I still do stick by the point I was making, which is that the deal that's signed only means anything if the Texans actually select Williams. Nothing in the deal forces them to select him. They would be completely in their rights to select Bush tomorrow, in which case the deal would go out of the window. In strict legal terms, they cannot sign Williams to a contract yet because he is not officially theirs yet. He will only be theirs once his name is called out tomorrow. What they are signing is an expression of INTENT, ie we WILL sign you to this contract WHEN we draft you.But if Williams falls out of bed tomorrow and tears his ACL they could draft and sign someone else with no consequence. That's a deliberately absurd example, and it obviously won't happen, but I just bring it up to illustrate my point.

I just dont think you are understanding this. No, the Texans cannot draft anyone else. It doesn't work that way. I am listening to this live on Sirius radio, the contract is exactly that, a contract. It is signed, he is a TEXAN. Terms of the deal have been released, it is signed. It is done. Beleive what you want but that is how it works. The team drafting number 1 is the only team allowed to do this.

until they sign the pick.now NO is on the clock and can sign their pick-

They should be burjing the midnight oil to either trade the pick or sign their player before the draft.

 

[Texasmouth]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

No it doesn't. It isn't like the Titans are taking a RB at three? Bush wont be there. How does that make any sense at all? If they dont get the deal done with NO, they aren't getting Bush. If NO trades with the Jets, the Jets get Bush and your statement holds no water, the Titans would take a QB and the Saints get whoever they want at 4.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Mort also said that Ron Wolf keeps in touch with six current GMs on a regular basis and, for the first time since Wolf retired, all six GMs have a unanimous opinion on which player was the best prospect...Mario Williams.

I think this is the right pick.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Somebody check a calendar, because this is Christmas Eve and we just got to open a really good present.

Add to that that the Saints are shaking every other present under the tree....

 

[LHUCKS]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right?  I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Doesn't Green Bay all ready have 12 running backs on the roster?

doubtful move.I think Mort had it right, NYJ and Tenn are the frontrunners because the Saints can still get their guy with a slight trade down.

Christmas came early for Tom Benson. :santa:

 

[hobbes4]

If the Saints trade out there is no way they can sell to the fans that D'Brick + whoever the hell is available at #29 or #39 is >>> than Bush-- NO WAY

 

[guderian]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Move cost Bush 3-4 Million dollars.

It seems like Bush's price would be limited by the fact that he was the #2 pick. It doesn't seem like he could demand much more than fair compensation for a #2 pick. Sean Payton was quoted as saying he'd be crazy not to take Bush. Take that for what it's worth, but that's what he is saying.

 

[Texasmouth]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right? I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Doesn't Green Bay all ready have 12 running backs on the roster?

I believe Green and Davenport were both brought back on 1 year deals. No RB of the future there.

No love for Samkon Gado the Great?

 

[Assani Fisher]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

Finally a voice of reason.

Why on Earth is that the voice of reason? The reason people refer to "the chart" is because a) Jimmy Johnson revolutionized draft value and trading with it and b) it's become the starting point for all such negotiations. Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

There is absolutely no difference between pick #3 and pick #4 for a team if the player that would go at pick #3 is of no interest to them.

 

[faede]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right?  I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Probably too fantasy friendly to happen, BUT Javon Walker plus the 5th for the 2nd? That's fairly equivalent value actually.

Believe me, that's what Packerfans are thinking at this point, big time. Maybe a conditional 2007 pick as well I'd say for insurance, but NO has had Walker in for a physical and he passed easily!If rumors are correct, and NO covets AJ Hawk, that'd be about perfect to trade down to as well.

 

[Texasmouth]

Mort on ESPN right now:

Bush price tag too high for Benson he thinks.

Jets tempted to trade up.

Titans very interested in Reggie Bush.

Move cost Bush 3-4 Million dollars.

It seems like Bush's price would be limited by the fact that he was the #2 pick. It doesn't seem like he could demand much more than fair compensation for a #2 pick. Sean Payton was quoted as saying he'd be crazy not to take Bush. Take that for what it's worth, but that's what he is saying.

But he would be crazier to pass up on the possible deals he will be offered. The Jets and Titans will be falling all over themselves, not to mention the Broncos. This could get really interesting. Someone may go Mike Ditka and give up their whole draft for Bush......wouldn't that be something since NO did it to get R.Williams.......

 

[Shermanator]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

Mort is the man!!!!



(sorry, end slight highjack, carry on).

 

[bueno]

Colored me surprised that Houston didn't try to trade down with either the Jets or SF. I am not surprised Bush was not at the top of their draft list. DE is after all, their greater need.

I'm betting New Orleans is on the phone with those two franchises (Jets and 49ers)even as we speak.

Even without trading, Bush won't get past the Jets, who can take a QB with their second first round pick, or in the second round if they so desire. I think maybe the Jets stand pat. No matter who they draft at #4, it will be a good player for that team - either a QB, the Brick or even Bush. They're happy where they are.

The 49ers have a rbbc approach right now and could be interested. Gore/Barlow isn't great, and at #6, New Orleans might still get Brick.

The teams with a true need for a RB are fairly deep in the draft. It could be interesting to see if one of New England, Indianapolis or Jacksonville can put together a package. Minnesota might also consider moving up. I just don't see a viable deal with any of those teams, but you never know.

49ers are my bet.

 

[LHUCKS]

How many GMs were at some five star restaraunt in NYC when their Blackberry started blowing up.

Seriously, do most teams sit in their war room on Friday night??

Serious question.

 

[obxlegends]

Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

Worth more maybe without a story. Everyone knows the Titans covet a QB. With that said they'll get the same player at 4 and get a 29th. I know you know this already, but that's the reality we're dealing with here. All subjective I know.

 

[Texasmouth]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

Finally a voice of reason.

Why on Earth is that the voice of reason? The reason people refer to "the chart" is because a) Jimmy Johnson revolutionized draft value and trading with it and b) it's become the starting point for all such negotiations. Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

There is absolutely no difference between pick #3 and pick #4 for a team if the player that would go at pick #3 is of no interest to them.

Outstanding post. Exactly what I have been trying to say.

 

[Texasmouth]

How many GMs were at some five star restaraunt in NYC when their Blackberry started blowing up.

Seriously, do most teams sit in their war room on Friday night??

Serious question.

They may be eating froma five star restaraunt but it is probably catered to their war room. I am starting to wonder if they are as obssessed with this crap as we are.......

 

[gang-wars]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

Mort is the man!!!!



(sorry, end slight highjack, carry on).

You're confused. NO trades down, and that person TAKES BUSH. So Bush isn't falling. The point is you can trade down to 4 and still get Brick. Titans aren't going to draft Brick.So trading down to 3 is pointless, they can go to 4, get more value, and still get their man.

 

[Assani Fisher]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

This is getting frusterating....-If the Saints trade down to #4, it will be with the Jets who will take Bush.

-When we thought Bush was going #1 and Mario #2 we were sure that the Titans would take a QB. Why on earth would that change because Mario goes #1 and Bush goes #2?

-So if the Titans are taking a QB if they pick 3rd and the Saints don't want a QB, then picks #3 and #4 are the same.

 

[Jason Wood]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Jets have been "locked in a room all day figuring out what it would take to get from 4 to 2 in order to grab Reggie Bush."

Paolantonio also saying that the Jets won't have enough to move up to 2 with their 4th and 29th picks, they would have to throw in their 3rd rounder too (71st) and the Jets are unwilling to add that 3rd pick into the mix.

Saints are confident they can get the guy they want A.J. Hawk at 4 or 5.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

 

[Texasmouth]

Colored me surprised that Houston didn't try to trade down with either the Jets or SF. I am not surprised Bush was not at the top of their draft list. DE is after all, their greater need.

I think the only reason they didnt pull off a trade is because they would lose Williams to New Orleans.

 

[CalBear]

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).

At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

I agree that if Bush is there at #3, the Titans jump on him and restructure McNair's contract instead of choosing a QB. But if Bush is taken at #2, the Titans go QB.

 

[jurb26]

I think a lot of you are being a bit naive if you think any team has no interest in drafting the overwhelming #1 player in the draft pool.

 

[Texasmouth]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Jets have been "locked in a room all day figuring out what it would take to get from 4 to 2 in order to grab Reggie Bush."

Paolantonio also saying that the Jets won't have enough to move up to 2 with their 4th and 29th picks, they would have to throw in their 3rd rounder too (71st) and the Jets are unwilling to add that 3rd pick into the mix.

Saints are confident they can get the guy they want A.J. Hawk at 4 or 5.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

Arizona? Bush and Edge?

 

[fsufan]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Jets have been "locked in a room all day figuring out what it would take to get from 4 to 2 in order to grab Reggie Bush."

Paolantonio also saying that the Jets won't have enough to move up to 2 with their 4th and 29th picks, they would have to throw in their 3rd rounder too (71st) and the Jets are unwilling to add that 3rd pick into the mix.

Saints are confident they can get the guy they want A.J. Hawk at 4 or 5.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

i can not wait till 4/29/06 12PM

 

[Jason Wood]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Jets have been "locked in a room all day figuring out what it would take to get from 4 to 2 in order to grab Reggie Bush."

Paolantonio also saying that the Jets won't have enough to move up to 2 with their 4th and 29th picks, they would have to throw in their 3rd rounder too (71st) and the Jets are unwilling to add that 3rd pick into the mix.

Saints are confident they can get the guy they want A.J. Hawk at 4 or 5.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

Arizona? Bush and Edge?

Paolantonio said Oakland and Arizona are believed to covet A.J. Hawk and Vernon Davis, respectively.

 

[Shermanator]

While I'm rooting hard for my Jets , the TITANS would be FOOLS to not draft or trade up for Bush.

Would seem that the Jets have more ammo to deal.

I all ready asked this but what does Tenn have to trade? Jets have TWO 1st rounders.

Using the traditional draft value chart...Jets have the 4th and 29th picks...which equals 2,440 points; whereas the 2nd pick is worth 2,600 points. Not enough to move up, particularly given how special Reggie Bush is perceived to be.

Meanwhile Tennessee has the 3rd pick (2,200 points) and 39th (510 points), which equates to 2,710 points...technically more than enough to move up to 2.

Draft chart aside, I would rather have the 4th and 29th any day, especially since you all ready know that the Titans are taking a QB. YOu also don't have to pay the #4 the same as the #3.

You may rather have two first rounders, but history (and Jimmy Johnson) clearly would disagree with you

Way different situation there. We KNOW the Titans are taking a QB. The Saints dont need a QB. The 29th pick is far better than 10 picks later at 39. The 3rd and 4th pick have the smae value in my opinion because the Saints will still get whatever player they want at 4.

We THOUGHT they were taking a QB...because they (and we) thought Reggie Bush wasn't an option. Bush not going to Houston changes everything.

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

Mort is the man!!!!



(sorry, end slight highjack, carry on).

You're confused. NO trades down, and that person TAKES BUSH. So Bush isn't falling. The point is you can trade down to 4 and still get Brick. Titans aren't going to draft Brick.So trading down to 3 is pointless, they can go to 4, get more value, and still get their man.

Either you are quoting the wrong reponse, or you aren't making much sense to me.

 

[Portis 26]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

 

[Texasmouth]

(apologies for the slight arguement highjack....).

At this point Mort broke the story that Mario would be/was signed by the Texans. Now Mort has said Bush would NOT get past the Titans at 3 under any circumstances. Why doubt Mort at this point.

I agree that if Bush is there at #3, the Titans jump on him and restructure McNair's contract instead of choosing a QB. But if Bush is taken at #2, the Titans go QB.

I am saying there is no way in hell that Bush is there at three unless some team just has to have Lienart and they know Tenn would probably take him, then, and only then will that happen but I dont think Lienart will pull the same value as Bush has so New Orleans will trade to the person willing to give up the most for it.

 

[Sidewinder]

The Saints were talking to Green Bay about Walker right? I wonder if they are on the phone talking a package including Walker, picks and swapping spots?

Probably too fantasy friendly to happen, BUT Javon Walker plus the 5th for the 2nd? That's fairly equivalent value actually.

Means Walker is "worth" the 18th overall this year. Healthy, I would agree, coming off the ACL, respectfully disagree.

 

[Don Quixote]

There is absolutely no difference between pick #3 and pick #4 for a team if the player that would go at pick #3 is of no interest to them.

Only if you are convinced the Titans won't trade down to a team that wants D'Brick.[e.g., Niners or Pack want D'Brick and trade with Titans. Titans still get Young or Leinart and also get an extra pick or two.]

 

[Raider Nation]

Sal Paolantonio reporting that five teams have already called New Orleans re: the Saints 2nd pick.

Other teams inquiring with New Orleans include Arizona, San Francisco, Oakland and an unnamed team (Denver?).

It should be noted that, of all the NFL owners, Tom Benson's closest friend is Al Davis.Reggie, Lamont and Randy on the same field....

 

[Texasmouth]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

Be careful what you say Portis, I said that and people here jumped all over me about Gore not even being as good as Dangelo Williams......

 

[Assani Fisher]

Very clearly the 3rd and 39th picks are worth more than the 4th and 29th.

Worth more maybe without a story. Everyone knows the Titans covet a QB. With that said they'll get the same player at 4 and get a 29th. I know you know this already, but that's the reality we're dealing with here. All subjective I know.

honda

 

[Jason Wood]

49ers are my bet.

Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.

Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE

 

[Simris]

Something smells here.

Kubiac is no fool. He trained under Shanny.

I can't see any reason Kubiac didn't make some kind of deal.

Why would he NOT trade down to get his player and something else.

I guess the question is: What options do the Texans have now that they have "signed" their pic?

Can they trade their "signed player" tomorrow morning?

(Do I smell a deal between Shanny and Kubiac?)

 

[dallas428]

michael irvin was funny talking about houston taking mario...he was explaining how bush does help the houston defense by keeping them on the sidelines...he said bush gets 1st downs, third downs and touchdowns...this will not go over good in houston...if new orleans gets alot for the pick its gonna make it even worse...