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Houston Texans sign DE Mario Williams (1 Viewer)

Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.
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Have they not realised that their running backs are not the problem? Hell they have one of the most prolific runningbacks over the last 3 years! Their offensive line can run block just fine, but they just resigned Statue Man to a big contract and they aren't going to take one of those 1st-round graded offensive linemen in the second??? If I were a Texans fan I'd be cancelling my season tickets.
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Just because Adam Schefter is reporting it, doesn't mean it's true. Last year he swore the Dolphins weren't going to select Ronnie Brown...yet they obviously did.
 
Aside from maybe Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis, he's never really made a good draft pick for the Texans.
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I'd rather have Dunta Robinson to build around than almost any other CB in the league.
 
How many GMs were at some five star restaraunt in NYC when their Blackberry started blowing up. 

Seriously, do most teams sit in their war room on Friday night??

Serious question.
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I was at a dinner party when my BB started blowing up and I had no one to talk to about it :(
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I know the feeling, just my wife was here and I told her the whole situation. She said "Why would a team pass up on a guy if he is supposed to be the next Barry Sanders?"
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Two comments:a) She's a keeper

b) Does she have a hot sister?

 
I'm with the other guys. :shrug:

I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.
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Bit of a difference between "very solid NFL starter" and "the next Gale Sayers."
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Also a big difference between getting 3 starters in the draft that fill needs and getting one player that doesn't fill any need on your team that was arguably the worst in the NFL and needs players at every position except QB and RB.
 
How many GMs were at some five star restaraunt in NYC when their Blackberry started blowing up.

Seriously, do most teams sit in their war room on Friday night??

Serious question.
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I was at a dinner party when my BB started blowing up and I had no one to talk to about it :(
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I know the feeling, just my wife was here and I told her the whole situation. She said "Why would a team pass up on a guy if he is supposed to be the next Barry Sanders?"
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Two comments:a) She's a keeper

b) Does she have a hot sister?
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Thanks.Sorry, no hot sister.....

 
GOOD teams build from the inside out.....with BIG fellas. Debating that is absolutely pointless....nonetheless, its gone on here for months. A little more debate over RBs isnt any more of a crime. Houston has done the right thing here, imo, and San Fran will do the right thing by trading down and taking as many big guys as possible to block for Smith and Gore.

 
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Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.
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Have they not realised that their running backs are not the problem? Hell they have one of the most prolific runningbacks over the last 3 years! Their offensive line can run block just fine, but they just resigned Statue Man to a big contract and they aren't going to take one of those 1st-round graded offensive linemen in the second??? If I were a Texans fan I'd be cancelling my season tickets.
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Yeah, same thing I was thinking. Davis and Wells seem to be a nice enough combo so that you can fill other needs. However, don't forget that Kubiak will be bringing in Denver's cut-blocking scheme where the RB needs to make one cut then run downhill. Davis would seem to be suited for that, but he gets hurt too often. Can Wells excel in that type of scheme? That's unclear.
 
I'm with the other guys. :shrug:

I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.
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Bit of a difference between "very solid NFL starter" and "the next Gale Sayers."
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One of those is proven and one isn't.
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Who do you think has proved more? I'd say Bush.(unless we are talking about weak ACL's)
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Gore had 600+ yards last year in the NFLReggie Bush is nothing more than the next Kijana Carter until he steps foot on the field and proves it.....

 
I'm with the other guys. :shrug:

I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.
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Bit of a difference between "very solid NFL starter" and "the next Gale Sayers."
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Also a big difference between getting 3 starters in the draft that fill needs and getting one player that doesn't fill any need on your team that was arguably the worst in the NFL and needs players at every position except QB and RB.
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Pretty much what I'm sayin'.Why is this so hard for people to grasp? It's about priorities.

 
I think a lot of you are being a bit naive if you think any team has no interest in drafting the overwhelming #1 player in the draft pool.
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Which is why Williams will be selected by Houston.
 
From an article I posted last month about one scout's view of Mario Williams:

I dim the lights and turn on the N.C. State tape of Williams for the 200th time. I am awed. I see a beast who swats away 320-pound blockers as if they were flies. He can pass rush through offensive tackles or go around them. I see a huge, explosive end who will pose matchup problems for many offensive tackles. I see a powerful tackler -- a player who can shed a blocker and make a play against the run. I see rare athleticism for a guy who is 6-7, 295. I see a bigger Julius Peppers.

But I don't like everything I see. I don't see the kind of instincts I look for. I see a lineman who doesn't always read the play correctly. I see a player who needs to develop an inside rush and learn to split double-teams. I see a player who doesn't go the same speed on every down. I see a player who performed unevenly last year and subsequently was pulled from the starting lineup for a game.

I see the physique of an alien and 14½ sacks last season, but I also see a player who, according to a vote by the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association, was the fourth-best defender in the ACC. Williams received four votes for defensive player of the year, compared with 31 for Maryland linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, 17 for Boston College end Mathias Kiwanuka and 14 for Virginia Tech end Darryl Tapp.
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I suppose there are concerns about every player, but Casserly will need to move to another country if Bush indeed turns out to be a Hall of Famer, and Williams is merely average.
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True...but as I pointed out earlier, Ron Wolf said that all six GMs he keeps in touch with had Mario Williams, not Bush, as the top prospect in this year's draft...so I don't think this is as big a stretch as we (fantasy/offense minded) people would like to believe.Certainly from a need standpoint, the Texans could EASILY be a much better team with Williams than Bush in 2006.
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Agreed with JWood here.I put the Reggie Bush kool-aid down the moment I heard the Texans may be serious about taking Super Mario. Many of us walk with the fantasy blinders on and I am just as guilty. But from a football standpoint, this makes more sense for the Texans.

In terms of need, he addresses it moreso than Bush. Williams can be a completely disruptive force on the D-Line, much like DeMarcus Ware for Dallas, whose impact was felt immediately. It's easy to quantify the impact of a player if his presence makes the players around him better. The Pats could speak to that with Richard Seymour.

 
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Lots of guys can be serviceable NFL running backs...but based on a projection/grade prospect, Frank Gore and Reggie Bush are light years apart.
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What you need to understand about what the 49ers top brass think is that they believe that Gore can be not just a good back but a great one. They know that he was ranked as highly as McGahee and Portis in college and they think he can be as good as them in the pros. I know you think Gore is just another low-grade back, but you need to put yourself in their mindset to anticipate how they are going to draft.
 
Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.
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Have they not realised that their running backs are not the problem? Hell they have one of the most prolific runningbacks over the last 3 years! Their offensive line can run block just fine, but they just resigned Statue Man to a big contract and they aren't going to take one of those 1st-round graded offensive linemen in the second??? If I were a Texans fan I'd be cancelling my season tickets.
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Yeah, same thing I was thinking. Davis and Wells seem to be a nice enough combo so that you can fill other needs. However, don't forget that Kubiak will be bringing in Denver's cut-blocking scheme where the RB needs to make one cut then run downhill. Davis would seem to be suited for that, but he gets hurt too often. Can Wells excel in that type of scheme? That's unclear.
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1) Houston already uses the Denver cut-blocking scheme...they adopted it last year2) Jon Wells isn't a Texan, he's an UFA

3) Again...you don't pass up someone that grades out as a all time great regardless of who you have at the position already. Good organizations draft the best player available, not for need.

 
I'm with the other guys. :shrug:

I think Gore will make a VERY solid NFL starter for 6-8 years.
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Bit of a difference between "very solid NFL starter" and "the next Gale Sayers."
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One of those is proven and one isn't.
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Who do you think has proved more? I'd say Bush.(unless we are talking about weak ACL's)
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Again, I think you are misunderstanding the point here in the first place. The 49ers dont need Bush. Every team in the NFL could benefit from having Bush, from the best to the worst team. The 49ers have other needs. Gore is fine. He showed some good things last year and he will only get better. The 49ers have too many other holes to fill to give up a ton of picks to get Bush. They need to fill the other holes or they will be the same sucky team but with the future Gale Sayers.
 
Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.
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Have they not realised that their running backs are not the problem? Hell they have one of the most prolific runningbacks over the last 3 years! Their offensive line can run block just fine, but they just resigned Statue Man to a big contract and they aren't going to take one of those 1st-round graded offensive linemen in the second??? If I were a Texans fan I'd be cancelling my season tickets.
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Yeah, same thing I was thinking. Davis and Wells seem to be a nice enough combo so that you can fill other needs. However, don't forget that Kubiak will be bringing in Denver's cut-blocking scheme where the RB needs to make one cut then run downhill. Davis would seem to be suited for that, but he gets hurt too often. Can Wells excel in that type of scheme? That's unclear.
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1) Houston already uses the Denver cut-blocking scheme...they adopted it last year2) Jon Wells isn't a Texan, he's an UFA

3) Again...you don't pass up someone that grades out as a all time great regardless of who you have at the position already. Good organizations draft the best player available, not for need.
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Mario Williams is the best player available, he just happens to be the best DEFENSIVE player available not offensive.
 
Lots of guys can be serviceable NFL running backs...but based on a projection/grade prospect, Frank Gore and Reggie Bush are light years apart.
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What you need to understand about what the 49ers top brass think is that they believe that Gore can be not just a good back but a great one. They know that he was ranked as highly as McGahee and Portis in college and they think he can be as good as them in the pros. I know you think Gore is just another low-grade back, but you need to put yourself in their mindset to anticipate how they are going to draft.
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Sorry Portis, but I'm going to not accept the premise. While I think the 49ers like Frank Gore, I find it hard to believe that they have as much confidence in him as you're projecting. One, I've never heard them say as such. Two, given his injury history it would be assinine for them to view Gore that way. Three, the 49ers have a new EVP of Football Operations (Lal Heneghan); Parag Marathe and McGloughan were woefully overmatched running the show last year.
 
Gore had 600+ yards last year in the NFL
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So did Antowain Smith.
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Oh yeah, really comparable. Smith is 47 years old. Gore is a good young talent and he averaged almost 5 ypc (4.8).

The point is the 49ers have too many other holes to fill to trade away all their picks.

 
& Bush falls to 4
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or three
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No way. Saints either take Bush, or charge someone a kings ransome for the #2
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NFL Network reporting Saints have already said Bush is available for trade. For the right price of course. They may also use this to leverage Brick to sign before the draft.
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nope - only the team with the first pick is allowed to negotiate with players before the draft
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Not true. Once the first pick is under contract, the 2nd pick can start negotiations. But from a practical stand point, there isn't time finalize a deal before the draft.
 
Lots of guys can be serviceable NFL running backs...but based on a projection/grade prospect, Frank Gore and Reggie Bush are light years apart.
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What you need to understand about what the 49ers top brass think is that they believe that Gore can be not just a good back but a great one. They know that he was ranked as highly as McGahee and Portis in college and they think he can be as good as them in the pros. I know you think Gore is just another low-grade back, but you need to put yourself in their mindset to anticipate how they are going to draft.
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Sorry Portis, but I'm going to not accept the premise. While I think the 49ers like Frank Gore, I find it hard to believe that they have as much confidence in him as you're projecting. One, I've never heard them say as such. Two, given his injury history it would be assinine for them to view Gore that way. Three, the 49ers have a new EVP of Football Operations (Lal Heneghan); Parag Marathe and McGloughan were woefully overmatched running the show last year.
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To Quote myself:
Again, I think you are misunderstanding the point here in the first place. The 49ers dont need Bush. Every team in the NFL could benefit from having Bush, from the best to the worst team. The 49ers have other needs. Gore is fine. He showed some good things last year and he will only get better. The 49ers have too many other holes to fill to give up a ton of picks to get Bush. They need to fill the other holes or they will be the same sucky team but with the future Gale Sayers.
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Regardless of the Texans liking Mario Williams over Bush, this is / was a mistake IMHO.

Bush is a highly regarded commodity, just ask anyone inside the Saints War Room right now.

Had they traded down, even without getting "book value" according to the chart, they would have had more value / best player available opportunities than they received by just using the pick on Mario.

Trading Bush for a top CB/LB in the Top 10 (Huff or Hawk, for example) and positioning themselves for DeAngelo Williams in a trade with the Jets or another team would have made more sense - and they'd still have their early 2nd rounder.

Sorry Houston, I think I have a problem with this decision.

 
Texasmouth,

I agree that the 49ers won't/can't move up to 2 without giving up way too many picks. I just take issue with the premise that they wouldn't consider it because of Frank Gore. They're not going to pursue it because ti would cost too much to move up 4 slots. A nuance, for sure, but an important differentiation.

 
Regardless of the Texans liking Mario Williams over Bush, this is / was a mistake IMHO.

Bush is a highly regarded commodity, just ask anyone inside the Saints War Room right now.

Had they traded down, even without getting "book value" according to the chart, they would have had more value / best player available opportunities than they received by just using the pick on Mario.

Trading Bush for a top CB/LB in the Top 10 (Huff or Hawk, for example) and positioning themselves for DeAngelo Williams in a trade with the Jets or another team would have made more sense - and they'd still have their early 2nd rounder.

Sorry Houston, I think I have a problem with this decision.
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:goodposting:
 
Hold your horses Dom Davis lovers...Adam Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and said he spoke with Bob McNair (Texans owner) who told him they had two scenarios...

1) Draft Reggie Bush and then take a pass-rushing end at the top of the 2nd

2) Draft Mario Williams and then take a RB at the top of the 2nd

Schefter went on to say the Texans are already making inquiries with teams to move into the bottom of the 1st round to select a RB, too.
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Have they not realised that their running backs are not the problem? Hell they have one of the most prolific runningbacks over the last 3 years! Their offensive line can run block just fine, but they just resigned Statue Man to a big contract and they aren't going to take one of those 1st-round graded offensive linemen in the second??? If I were a Texans fan I'd be cancelling my season tickets.
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Yeah, same thing I was thinking. Davis and Wells seem to be a nice enough combo so that you can fill other needs. However, don't forget that Kubiak will be bringing in Denver's cut-blocking scheme where the RB needs to make one cut then run downhill. Davis would seem to be suited for that, but he gets hurt too often. Can Wells excel in that type of scheme? That's unclear.
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1) Houston already uses the Denver cut-blocking scheme...they adopted it last year2) Jon Wells isn't a Texan, he's an UFA

3) Again...you don't pass up someone that grades out as a all time great regardless of who you have at the position already. Good organizations draft the best player available, not for need.
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:goodposting: I was about to say the exact same things.Even IF they didn't use the same blocking scheme, the run blocking wasn't the problem. In fact, that's all that their runningbacks are good at. Now, things might be different if Carr had Plummer's mobility, but he doesn't.

Mario Williams will not help the Texans in pass protection.

Reggie Bush would have given Carr an awesome option that would have to be accounted for every play.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson would have protected Carr's blindside better than anyone in this draft.

Hell, Vince Young would have given them that mobile presence that would actually work well with zone blocking IMO. Plus he's a freaking local guy!

Mario Williams will not put butts in the seats.

He's not flashy at all, he's just a big guy who can make some defensive plays (4th in the nation in sacks and 4th in defensive mvp for the ACC is not impressive enough for the 1.01 pick IMO).

Mario Williams won't put points on the board.

I don't like it at all.

 
Regardless of the Texans liking Mario Williams over Bush, this is / was a mistake IMHO.

Bush is a highly regarded commodity, just ask anyone inside the Saints War Room right now.

Had they traded down, even without getting "book value" according to the chart, they would have had more value / best player available opportunities than they received by just using the pick on Mario.

Trading Bush for a top CB/LB in the Top 10 (Huff or Hawk, for example) and positioning themselves for DeAngelo Williams in a trade with the Jets or another team would have made more sense - and they'd still have their early 2nd rounder.

Sorry Houston, I think I have a problem with this decision.
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true(and a good point) but how do you know they didn't try and trade down with the Saints? With Deuce+Michelle Bennett do they need Bush so badly they'll give up alot for him? I don't think Mario makes it past the Saints

 
So Mario has to be as good as Reggie White, Bruce Smith, or Strahan for this to be an OK pick?

 
This smacks of being cheap.

The Houston Texans are the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the NFL.

Somebody throw a bat at Casserly. I'll bet his hair doesn't move.

 
This smacks of being cheap.

The Houston Texans are the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the NFL.

Somebody throw a bat at Casserly. I'll bet his hair doesn't move.
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:no: Williams signed a huge deal with $26.5 million guaranteed.

 
This smacks of being cheap.

The Houston Texans are the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the NFL.

Somebody throw a bat at Casserly.  I'll bet his hair doesn't move.
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:no: Williams signed a huge deal with $26.5 million guaranteed.
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Word is it's more than they offered Bush.Idiots.

 
Javon Walker is a known commodity, so he's absolutely worth more than the 18th pick. That said, given his health AND the fact that the Packers really can't keep him at this poin (given the tenuous back and forth), I agree this scenario likely wouldn't get the trade done. But it could be a starting point. If the teams swapped picks in another round or two, it could get done.
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Culpepper was only worth a 2nd rounder. Wasn't Alexander and/or James available and couldn't even command a 2nd rounder? Walker isn't in any of those guys' class.
 
Karma may have bit Bush in the rear. First his stupidity might cause serious damage to USC and then he loses certain millions in this signing. Worse yet, he could end up in a situation like NO, where they already have a monster RB.

Can't help but think he brought it upon himself, and just a few weeks ago there was nary a negative thing about Bush out there.

 
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This smacks of being cheap.

The Houston Texans are the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the NFL.

Somebody throw a bat at Casserly.  I'll bet his hair doesn't move.
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:no: Williams signed a huge deal with $26.5 million guaranteed.
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Word is it's more than they offered Bush.Idiots.
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Hey Exalted...why do you think this was an "idiot" move?Here's what we know...

1) For weeks Houston has maintained it held Mario and Bush in equal regard

2) All things being equal, DE was a bigger need for Houston

3) All things being equal, an All Pro DE is worth more than an All Pro RB

4) Ron Wolf reported that six out of six GMs he's close with rated Williams the best player, not Bush

5) Some questionable, and yet-to-be-understood issues have arisen with Bush in the last week...Mario Williams is a clean slate

While I agree with ou that Bush PROBABLY will make them regret this move...it's hardly something that's an overtly bad decision.

 
WOW

Houston just lost a LOT of money. Reggie Bush immediately increases ticket sales, jersey sales, etc. In the long run they are losing money even if they paid Mario less.

It could end up working out for them, but Houston definitely took a risky move without much upside.

 
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Without hijacking this, I don't think so. They really like Gore.
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Please tell me you're kidding...San Francisco wouldn't consider Reggie Bush because of FRANK GORE :lmao:
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I dont think this is what he is saying, I think he is saying the 49ers think they are set at that position enough to where it wouldn't be worth it to trade away other picks to move up to get a player, who is far better, but wouldn't fill the 100 other holes they have. Instead they will stay put and get players they need at more than one position where they dont all ready have a starter instead of one position where they all ready have starters.
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Frank Gore is so far from equaling "set at that position", it's almost as if we're discussing whether the sky is really pink with yellow stripes.
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:lmao:
 
Javon Walker is a known commodity, so he's absolutely worth more than the 18th pick. That said, given his health AND the fact that the Packers really can't keep him at this poin (given the tenuous back and forth), I agree this scenario likely wouldn't get the trade done. But it could be a starting point. If the teams swapped picks in another round or two, it could get done.
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Culpepper was only worth a 2nd rounder. Wasn't Alexander and/or James available and couldn't even command a 2nd rounder? Walker isn't in any of those guys' class.
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Timing is everything...A.J. Feeley cost a 2nd round pick, too.
 
Has anyone given a thought to the Texans trading away the rights to Mario to a team that wants him more......and still draft Bush? :thumbdown:

I hate my Texans now. :hot:

Sumbeeotches!

 
This smacks of being cheap.

The Houston Texans are the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the NFL.

Somebody throw a bat at Casserly.  I'll bet his hair doesn't move.
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:no: Williams signed a huge deal with $26.5 million guaranteed.
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Word is it's more than they offered Bush.Idiots.
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Hey Exalted...why do you think this was an "idiot" move?Here's what we know...

1) For weeks Houston has maintained it held Mario and Bush in equal regard

2) All things being equal, DE was a bigger need for Houston

3) All things being equal, an All Pro DE is worth more than an All Pro RB

4) Ron Wolf reported that six out of six GMs he's close with rated Williams the best player, not Bush

5) Some questionable, and yet-to-be-understood issues have arisen with Bush in the last week...Mario Williams is a clean slate

While I agree with ou that Bush PROBABLY will make them regret this move...it's hardly something that's an overtly bad decision.
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