How long before dailies spell the end of traditional FF? (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

 

[Grizz875]

Been playing since the early 90s. I'm finding the same things happening in my leagues. I've got buddies I've been playing with for 10+ years saying next year they're only doing daily. I still enjoy drafting/trading/ roster management but interest definitely is dwindling in my leagues.

 

[Bhdevault]

I went from doing 4 different leagues a few years back to zero this season.

I'll be honest, leading up to week 1, I was missing studying/preparing for a league. I would do mock draft after mock draft during the preseason leading up to my drafts. I felt like I made a mistake not doing at least one league.

Once the first real game kicked off, I didn't miss it one tiny bit. Daily leagues are MUCH, MUCH more fun to me than leagues. Getting stuck having to decide between starting crap receiver from this team or crap receiver from that team isn't much fun anymore.

I love being able to roll out with Julio Jones anytime I want. I love creating crazy GPP lineups and studying hard during the week figuring out which LU I want to roll in my 50/50 and H2H's.

I hope DFS never goes away.

 

[spider321]

I enjoy drafting/trading and building my roster. Plus, unlike most people these days, I have an attention span of more than 5 minutes.

So, for me, never.

Dynasty leagues are far superior, imho.

 

[CentralPA]

I'm sure it'll take a hit but I don't think traditional season wide formats are going to go the way of the dodo.

 

[Squintz82]

To be honest, I've already quit my additional leagues in favor of DraftKings. I likely won't leave my big money league, but I don't see myself playing in more than 1 traditional league in the future. Daily FF is much more exciting combined with my main league.

I feel like this is where you'll see the biggest swing. Main leagues won't disappear, but many people won't hedge their bets by joining multiple traditional leagues when they can play weekly on sites like DraftKings.

 

[BassNBrew]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

 

[93_Confirmed]

I'm walking away from redraft after this year and going strictly to Daily FF. I can't justify playing high stakes when there's so many random factors that are impossible to predict. It's maddening. It'll be sad to walk away but I'm long overdue.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm walking away from redraft after this year and going strictly to Daily FF. I can't justify playing high stakes when there's so many random factors that are impossible to predict. It's maddening. It'll be sad to walk away but I'm long overdue.

I keep reading this, but the weekly variance in daily ff is even higher. I won money at fan duel last year, but it took an ungodly winning percentage to overcome the 10% vig.

 

[krsone21]

I enjoy drafting/trading and building my roster. Plus, unlike most people these days, I have an attention span of more than 5 minutes.

So, for me, never.

Dynasty leagues are far superior, imho.

I do this for fun, not to make money. I play in zero money leagues.

I would get bored with dailies real fast. I enjoy buidling a dynasty team and trying to win that championship.

 

[eoMMan]

I enjoy both.

 

[Shutout]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm a traditionalist myself so I know what you mean here but I guess the question is (and do you agree): back in the day we really DID mine data and grab the scoops. But today, with so much social media available, do we really have an advantage to invest so much time into mining? What I used to know as maybe one in ten guys that knew something about a player or a situation; everyone with a smartphone has access to now (generally speaking).

 

[chickensoup]

I enjoy drafting/trading and building my roster. Plus, unlike most people these days, I have an attention span of more than 5 minutes.

So, for me, never.

Dynasty leagues are far superior, imho.

I do this for fun, not to make money. I play in zero money leagues.

Agree. The moment you start doing FF for fun instead of a money making scheme, yearlong is great (aside from Thursday games, screw them ). Daily to me is basically just sports betting guised as fantasy football. You play for the fun of winning money, not for the competition against friends.

To get rid of the feeling you get when your top RB is out for the year and you just lost your $1500 Buy-in league, just don't put absurd money behind FF.

 

[Shutout]

To be honest, I've already quit my additional leagues in favor of DraftKings. I likely won't leave my big money league, but I don't see myself playing in more than 1 traditional league in the future. Daily FF is much more exciting combined with my main league.

I feel like this is where you'll see the biggest swing. Main leagues won't disappear, but many people won't hedge their bets by joining multiple traditional leagues when they can play weekly on sites like DraftKings.

Yeah, I guess this is more of what I really meant to say. Not that the traditionals will die out but that instead of us talking about how we are in 4-10 leagues and a couple are dynasty and a few redrafts, etc, it will be more like "well, I still have my main dynasty or redraft and I pretty much play Dailies for everything else".

Definitely not an all or nothing thing but like a few mentioned before, the interest (in my fantasy circle, anyway) seems to be guys are not talking about joining new leagues but are cutting back to a core and putting everything else into dailies.

That is what I was wanting to hear people's thoughts on.

 

[shader]

I'm sure some people will move to daily's, some will do both, and some won't do daily's. It's still fantasy football, just a different variety.

 

[Shutout]

I enjoy drafting/trading and building my roster. Plus, unlike most people these days, I have an attention span of more than 5 minutes.

So, for me, never.

Dynasty leagues are far superior, imho.

I do this for fun, not to make money. I play in zero money leagues.

Agree. The moment you start doing FF for fun instead of a money making scheme, yearlong is great (aside from Thursday games, screw them ). Daily to me is basically just sports betting guised as fantasy football. You play for the fun of winning money, not for the competition against friends.

To get rid of the feeling you get when your top RB is out for the year and you just lost your $1500 Buy-in league, just don't put absurd money behind FF.

I don't play in "big money" leagues but I play in several (mostly Dynasty and mostly IDP). I haven't jumped into dailies yet but I am assuming from what I have seen and discussed that I can pretty much control how big or small I go into it, yes?

One of the big drawing points to me right now is what you mention: Maybe I will have more fun going day-to-day rather than watching news all week on the concussion protocol of RB"X" and hoping I don't lose him for the year.

 

[Shutout]

I'm sure some people will move to daily's, some will do both, and some won't do daily's. It's still fantasy football, just a different variety.

Very true. Just seems like the nature of real-life football (injuries, etc) combined with the instant gratification media society we live in is really geared more towards the dailies. Agree?

 

[ebsteelers]

the GPPs are always going to draw people in a quick fashion over season long.

the easiest selling point for daily is draft kings turn 27 to 1,000,000 in a day or maybe turn 350 in to 300k in 5 months.

just an example though.

also i feel like this dynasty is getting more popular which would be the opposite of daily

 

[Jayrok]

I've played FFB and FBB since '92 but I got tired of the season long leagues. I find them boring since the daily games came on the scene. Just my opinion.

 

[BassNBrew]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm a traditionalist myself so I know what you mean here but I guess the question is (and do you agree): back in the day we really DID mine data and grab the scoops. But today, with so much social media available, do we really have an advantage to invest so much time into mining? What I used to know as maybe one in ten guys that knew something about a player or a situation; everyone with a smartphone has access to now (generally speaking).

I really think that changed closer to a decade ago than recently. Even if everyone has the same access to all the data, with a traditional league working the draft to it's optimum is going to set you apart. Sure injuries may get you this year, but over time if you're a better drafter, you'll come out on top.

 

[BassNBrew]

the GPPs are always going to draw people in a quick fashion over season long.

the easiest selling point for daily is draft kings turn 27 to 1,000,000 in a day or maybe turn 350 in to 300k in 5 months.

just an example though.

also i feel like this dynasty is getting more popular which would be the opposite of daily

I won't say it's exactly like a lottery, but it's close with the 10% rake. For every millionaire there are 40,000 people who lost $27. With sites like fog doing daily articles/advice, it's hard to be 10% better than the field. Most of us are/will be playing the dailies for fun.

 

[ThePittbully]

I think it may eat away at the redraft crowd but it won't lure away dynasty players IMO

 

[Shutout]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm a traditionalist myself so I know what you mean here but I guess the question is (and do you agree): back in the day we really DID mine data and grab the scoops. But today, with so much social media available, do we really have an advantage to invest so much time into mining? What I used to know as maybe one in ten guys that knew something about a player or a situation; everyone with a smartphone has access to now (generally speaking).

I really think that changed closer to a decade ago than recently. Even if everyone has the same access to all the data, with a traditional league working the draft to it's optimum is going to set you apart. Sure injuries may get you this year, but over time if you're a better drafter, you'll come out on top.

Yeah, It definitely isn't anything that occurred in the last couple of years-just a general feel for the overall direction.

Years ago, a person could go into a draft and say Carl Pickens and get laughed at and then take everyone's money. Today, IMO, it just seems that edge is the thinnest it has ever been. Even if you live in a town where Jimmy Crazylegs is a Div II unknown, in this day and age you better believe there are a LOT more people that know about him than what used to. All it takes is a twitter account and a youtube video to let the cat out of the bag.

"Working the draft" is the thing that used to be BECAUSE you had info others didn't, you were just working the draft in a way that meant you knew WHO to pick. Now, you have to put time into knowing WHEN to pick. That's picking nits and there IS a component that is still "doing your homework" and "knowing something others don't" but at the same time, its seems more gimmick than skill. It's not that I know Jimmy Graham is going to be the next big thing. Its that I have logged 80 hours in mock rooms understanding that I need to pull the trigger at this particular spot. Just seems different to me.

With dailies, I think it is kind of conceding by all parties that no one has a magic eight ball or better access to info anymore. Instead, it's just more overtly gambling and going with hunches because I think my Rodgers is better than your Brees this week.

 

[Shutout]

I think it may eat away at the redraft crowd but it won't lure away dynasty players IMO

That makes sense. I guess it is odd that I am finding it is dynasty leagues where most of my buddies are gravitating towards the dailies. I assumed it is because it is the dynasty players that tend to take it a bit more seriously to begin with/maybe been playing longer, etc and they are sensing the shift.

 

[cubbie5150]

Id love to dump the additional season-long league for dailies. Unfortunately, sites like FanDuel block entries from certain states (laws prohibiting online wagering). I love in one of those states. Damn hypocrites, it's all about the $$ here in the state legislature: they have no problem with people dumping money into lottery or local casinos.

 

[Shutout]

Id love to dump the additional season-long league for dailies. Unfortunately, sites like FanDuel block entries from certain states (laws prohibiting online wagering). I love in one of those states. Damn hypocrites, it's all about the $$ here in the state legislature: they have no problem with people dumping money into lottery or local casinos.

Which states prohibit and is there a chance it can get passed in? Just curious because I've heard you can't play in every state but don't know which ones those are.

 

[Run It Up]

Was the other thread not good enough?

I don't think it will, daily fantasy sports are the equivalent to online poker to me. Its fueled by fish and once the fish dry up no one will be left.

Alternatively, if we keep seeing a hundred injuries a week it might be by week 6.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the ,general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc):

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Tis an erroneous perception based on the general FF population's naivety and ignorance to the importance and relevance of scoring systems, starting lineup sizes, and roster sizes. Join a dynasty IDP league with big rosters and starting lineups and the randomness is negligible, especially compared to a redraft 10 team league that only starts 10 players in their lineup.

 

[spodog]

I enjoy drafting/trading and building my roster. Plus, unlike most people these days, I have an attention span of more than 5 minutes.

So, for me, never.

Spot on.

Both will continue to co-exist for many years to come. 25 years ago, as the riverboat casino's started to sprout up like weeds all over the U S, they drew millions into their doors who gladly started handing over money to the tribes and big corporations that run them. This didn't kill off the regular weekend poker games across the country, but it did weed them out some as the trend followers, short attention span guys, and get rick quick crowd all headed to the casinos. The solid, regular games, where guys were gathering to compete with each other, and gladly handing over $ to one another instead of to some faceless company, continued on.

Same with this question. Sheep are heading to those sites in droves, and most wiil hand over way more $ than they will ever get back. They will continue to watch the commercial's about Joe SixPack from BFE who "turned $5 into $500,000!!!", and they will blindly continue to stamp out a trail to the sites.

The daily sites are like eating junk food while surfing YouTube for 45 minutes.

Traditional FF League's with friends/co-workers are like sitting down with a book that you know will take 6 months to get through, one chapter per week.

Give me the book any day.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm walking away from redraft after this year and going strictly to Daily FF. I can't justify playing high stakes when there's so many random factors that are impossible to predict. It's maddening. It'll be sad to walk away but I'm long overdue.

I keep reading this, but the weekly variance in daily ff is even higher. I won money at fan duel last year, but it took an ungodly winning percentage to overcome the 10% vig.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Won't happen because not everyone has the time to do dailies.

 

[adrenaline]

I was just thinking this yesterday that I'm cutting back to 2 leagues. There's more money to be won doing dailies with instant gratification.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I've personally never done a daily league, but have friends that live by them. I've helped them come up with weekly rosters a few times and while I really enjoyed it--I just would never be interested in investing my own money into doing dailies when the rake is in the neighborhood of 10%. If the rake was closer to 5 or even 7% I would definitely have a much easier time justifying messing with dailies.

 

[Pipes]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm a traditionalist myself so I know what you mean here but I guess the question is (and do you agree): back in the day we really DID mine data and grab the scoops. But today, with so much social media available, do we really have an advantage to invest so much time into mining? What I used to know as maybe one in ten guys that knew something about a player or a situation; everyone with a smartphone has access to now (generally speaking).

This is a great posting. I'm in my early 40's and have been in my main redraft league since 1989. In the 90's 3 of us essentially dominated. We put in the leg work and would always find gems that others with just a magazine didn't know about. The landscape began to change in the early 00's and now everyone has access to the same information. We've had 8 different champs in the past 10 years. Couple of complete morons have won the league. Just way too much luck involved nowadays. You can still find gems but it takes a lot more luck. Redraft is getting boring. I joined a dynasty league a few years ago and am running into another luck factor....the schedule. I'm 0-3 despite scoring the 4th points in week 1, 3rd most in week 2 and yesterday I was middle of the pack (7th) in a 16 team league. It's so frustrating seeing 3-0 teams that I've outscored in all 3 weeks. I know things even out but the most I get burned by a crappy schedule the more I'm considering the dailys. I'm ready to make the plunge.

 

[Dizzy]

I was just thinking this yesterday that I'm cutting back to 2 leagues. There's more money to be won doing dailies with instant gratification.

These are probably the two biggest drivers IMO.

If it's just a gambling fix, I can see the daily game being attractive. For me it's not; low money, redraft league, 22nd year, same original guys... it's still about the draft and riding the roller coaster to the end.

 

[Jeremy]

Do you play dailies with your friends or against strangers on the internet? I haven't tried it yet.

To me the fun of fantasy football is the social aspect of it. It's fun to text and email friends or talk to them about our leagues in person. As others have pointed out, dynasty leagues are the best, because there's always something to talk about. Standings, trades, other owners that sent you ridiculous offers. We play for a little bit of money, but it's not really a gambling thing for most of us.

I don't know if dailies offer that or not. If not, I probably wouldn't be interested.

 

[Jeremy]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm a traditionalist myself so I know what you mean here but I guess the question is (and do you agree): back in the day we really DID mine data and grab the scoops. But today, with so much social media available, do we really have an advantage to invest so much time into mining? What I used to know as maybe one in ten guys that knew something about a player or a situation; everyone with a smartphone has access to now (generally speaking).

This is a great posting. I'm in my early 40's and have been in my main redraft league since 1989. In the 90's 3 of us essentially dominated. We put in the leg work and would always find gems that others with just a magazine didn't know about. The landscape began to change in the early 00's and now everyone has access to the same information. We've had 8 different champs in the past 10 years. Couple of complete morons have won the league. Just way too much luck involved nowadays. You can still find gems but it takes a lot more luck. Redraft is getting boring. I joined a dynasty league a few years ago and am running into another luck factor....the schedule. I'm 0-3 despite scoring the 4th points in week 1, 3rd most in week 2 and yesterday I was middle of the pack (7th) in a 16 team league. It's so frustrating seeing 3-0 teams that I've outscored in all 3 weeks. I know things even out but the most I get burned by a crappy schedule the more I'm considering the dailys. I'm ready to make the plunge.

At least in dynasty if the schedule bites you, you get the high draft pick next year. A lot of times the short term bad luck profits you more in the long run.

 

[avoiding injuries]

If my league doesn't move to a different FA system like FAAB, I will likely drop it and just do fan duel.

 

[Shutout]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Injuries and RBBC are actually beneficial to the types who like to mine data.

I'm a traditionalist myself so I know what you mean here but I guess the question is (and do you agree): back in the day we really DID mine data and grab the scoops. But today, with so much social media available, do we really have an advantage to invest so much time into mining? What I used to know as maybe one in ten guys that knew something about a player or a situation; everyone with a smartphone has access to now (generally speaking).

This is a great posting. I'm in my early 40's and have been in my main redraft league since 1989. In the 90's 3 of us essentially dominated. We put in the leg work and would always find gems that others with just a magazine didn't know about. The landscape began to change in the early 00's and now everyone has access to the same information. We've had 8 different champs in the past 10 years. Couple of complete morons have won the league. Just way too much luck involved nowadays. You can still find gems but it takes a lot more luck. Redraft is getting boring. I joined a dynasty league a few years ago and am running into another luck factor....the schedule. I'm 0-3 despite scoring the 4th points in week 1, 3rd most in week 2 and yesterday I was middle of the pack (7th) in a 16 team league. It's so frustrating seeing 3-0 teams that I've outscored in all 3 weeks. I know things even out but the most I get burned by a crappy schedule the more I'm considering the dailys. I'm ready to make the plunge.

At least in dynasty if the schedule bites you, you get the high draft pick next year. A lot of times the short term bad luck profits you more in the long run.

Unless you trade away your picks. And then picks are gambles in themselves (says all the TRICH owners, anyways..).

 

[93_Confirmed]

I've personally never done a daily league, but have friends that live by them. I've helped them come up with weekly rosters a few times and while I really enjoyed it--I just would never be interested in investing my own money into doing dailies when the rake is in the neighborhood of 10%. If the rake was closer to 5 or even 7% I would definitely have a much easier time justifying messing with dailies.

Does the 3%-5% really make that much of a difference to you?

 

[Run It Up]

I've personally never done a daily league, but have friends that live by them. I've helped them come up with weekly rosters a few times and while I really enjoyed it--I just would never be interested in investing my own money into doing dailies when the rake is in the neighborhood of 10%. If the rake was closer to 5 or even 7% I would definitely have a much easier time justifying messing with dailies.

Does the 3%-5% really make that much of a difference to you?

It makes a huge difference to anyone that likes money. If half your games are negated by the rake, whats the point?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Dailies are great because they weed out the people with short attention spans who can ruin leagues. Too many times people join a league, get bored after a couple of weeks, drop out and create a deadwood team. Now they can just stay out of the league altogether.

To be honest, the hobby got too big. Everyone wanted to join a fantasy league, and a lot of them only wanted to win money. They didn't care about the camaraderie, the fun, the long process of a season. If all they care about is the gambling, they can play dailies and not bother anyone.

I'm not against dailies. They have their place and I play them occasionally. But I'm not playing fantasy football to win money. I'm playing to have fun in a league, hopefully win and enjoy the spoils of victory (which often include money). Big difference. I'd rather have people who want to play in a league as owners rather than people who just want to win a little cash-- and will drop out when things aren't going their way.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm more into FanDuel than my league at the moment. Last season I was first in my league, points leader, and had the misfortune of playing agaist the Charles owner where he scored like 8 TD's, and a whole season of hard work was for nothing. I still like the season long format, and will continue to play in them, but I really appreciate the immediacy of the daily sports with the chance to win every week.

 

[lod01]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Never.

Dailies are for people with gambling problems.

 

[Shutout]

I'm more into FanDuel than my league at the moment. Last season I was first in my league, points leader, and had the misfortune of playing agaist the Charles owner where he scored like 8 TD's, and a whole season of hard work was for nothing. I still like the season long format, and will continue to play in them, but I really appreciate the immediacy of the daily sports with the chance to win every week.

I wonder if it's those types of scenarios (which we all have way too many of) that tip the scale?

Especially in dynasty leagues, if you can basically devote 10 months of your year to something only to watch it burn down on one given day of bad/good luck or quirkiness, why not just get straight to it and go the daily route? Same result except its in and out in a day and move on.

I can see both sides on this.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

Full disclosure up front: I am part-owner of the FFPC, a season-long fantasy company. Obviously, I have a vested interest in season-long success.

DFS is growing very fast. There are a number of reasons. It is a fun format. It is addicting. Instant gratification. Countless millions spent on marketing. Great software. But the #1 reason in my eyes is that it is essentially the addictive nature of it. It is gaming. Technically, it is legal and I do consider it to be a game of skill. But let's not beat around the bush. DFS is gaming and season-long is more of a true skill-based hobby with 1000+ decisions made each season over the 16 weeks.

Season-long is still growing at all levels, as is dynasty, which is the polar opposite of DFS. However, season-long is not growing at the same rate. I think that has a lot to do with the lack of marketing dollars able to be thrown at season-long, as well as how compelling the gaming-level format of DFS is to players.

I don't think season-long or dynasty will ever go away or be diminished greatly for these reasons just off the top of my head.

1. People love to draft. Drafting is fun whether it is online, in someone's basement, or live in Las Vegas.

2. A lot of people love to own their players and craft their team. They like to work the waiver wire and manage their teams for an entire season. You see a backlash this season due to the bizarre AP situation, Charles injured, McCoy dinged, Lacy sucking, etc, etc. These type of things happen pretty much every season. The season-long owners that are having a rough start to the year start to get pissed and banish season-long to the dumpster. At least until August of next season.

3. Season-long is more social, especially at a dynasty, or a low-stakes or free level.

Season-long is a hobby, it is not gaming. You do not need to spend X hours a week managing your season-long teams. If you have a bad season, you have an entire year of wages to earn back and allocate to some entry fees if you are doing pay to play. In DFS, people can and have gotten into financial trouble quickly. All it takes is a credit card and people will run through a month's wages in a weekend. And then the same thing next weekend.

Before anyone starts spending too much cash in DFS, consider the competition. It is 2-5% sharks and the rest are fish. The sharks spend 40-100 hours a week on DFS. Many use algorithms, many use computer simulations, some are math geniuses...this is their full-time job. Those millions spent on marketing are not spent to attract the sharks, they are already there, waiting. They are spent to attract the fish.

Last point I will make. I was told in person at a fantasy sports trade conference by the former CEO of a DFS company that 8% of people that play DFS make money in the long run. Those aren't the type of odds I am into.

 

[RCon]

I'm walking away from redraft after this year and going strictly to Daily FF. I can't justify playing high stakes when there's so many random factors that are impossible to predict. It's maddening. It'll be sad to walk away but I'm long overdue.

I keep reading this, but the weekly variance in daily ff is even higher. I won money at fan duel last year, but it took an ungodly winning percentage to overcome the 10% vig.

Agreed. I don't get how "I dislike the randomness" equates to "So I'm switching to daily FF." Seems like it should be the opposite.

 

[avoiding injuries]

With Fanduel, Draftkings,and similar sites moving into the mainstream at a rapid pace, combined with the general perception by many that traditional fantasy football has become "too random" ( rules/injuries/rbbcs, etc),:

How long will it be before the daily sites push the traditional FF leagues we have been playing for the past few decades to the wayside?

Are dailies just the common sense format for today's players or are we just seeing a fad?

In most of the leagues I am in, the owners I consider to be the most knowledgeable and the types that really like to mine data and get an edge in fantasy are really starting to grumble and are openly talking about putting their money in the dailies and maybe just keeping a league or two in the traditional formats.

What are you guys seeing and doing?

Never.Dailies are for people with gambling problems.

I don't like gambling. A $50 league is the same as a $500 league to me. Fan Duel has free games.

 

[davearm]

I'm walking away from redraft after this year and going strictly to Daily FF. I can't justify playing high stakes when there's so many random factors that are impossible to predict. It's maddening. It'll be sad to walk away but I'm long overdue.

I keep reading this, but the weekly variance in daily ff is even higher. I won money at fan duel last year, but it took an ungodly winning percentage to overcome the 10% vig.

Agreed. I'm at a loss to understand why the "it's gotten too random" folks think daily won't be just as frustrating, and for the exact same reason.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I'm walking away from redraft after this year and going strictly to Daily FF. I can't justify playing high stakes when there's so many random factors that are impossible to predict. It's maddening. It'll be sad to walk away but I'm long overdue.

I keep reading this, but the weekly variance in daily ff is even higher. I won money at fan duel last year, but it took an ungodly winning percentage to overcome the 10% vig.

Agreed. I don't get how "I dislike the randomness" equates to "So I'm switching to daily FF." Seems like it should be the opposite.

Really? With season ending injuries and suspensions, you can't see how a weekly team would minimize that?