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How To Get To Heaven When You Die. Read The First Post. Then Q&A Discussion. Ask Questions Here! (2 (1 Viewer)

DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, BELIEVING THAT HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN AS A SACRIFICE FOR SIN?

  • YES

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 22 73.3%
  • I ALREADY PLACED MY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST & HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION TO SAVE ME

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • OTHER

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Total voters
    30

Paddington

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PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES
ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN? (CLICK 'READ MORE')

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

It all began when the first humans, Adam and Eve were created and God put them in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect to live in fellowship with Him. There was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain, which this world sees, is the result of sin.

2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross:

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Lying, stealing, sex before marriage, pride, hatred, ect. are all sins. Hell is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That's because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already sinned, which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the President can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. You won't have to pay for your own sins because Jesus already did that for you, But if you reject the pardon that He offers, you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell. He is the only one qualified because He is the only one ever to live a sinless, perfect life.

3. If you will confess Jesus Christ as Your Lord, place your Faith in Him and Believe in your heart that He died, shed His blood and rose again as a sacrifice for your sins, you will be saved (from hell).

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your Faith in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven, but your Faith must be in Christ and His sacrifice alone and nothing else, giving your life to Him.

Eph 2:8,9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Ro 10:9,10;13 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

4. You must submit your life to Jesus Christ and His will in Faith, believing in your heart that He died and rose again shedding His blood to pay for your sins as a sacrifice to God. If you want to accept Jesus free gift of salvation, or if you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, YOU COULD HUMBLY PRAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO GOD FROM YOUR HEART IN FAITH:

"Dear Lord Jesus I know that I am a sinner and need you to save me. I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead, shedding your blood as a Sacrifice for my sins. I turn to You as the only way of Salvation, I submit my life to you, I submit my will to yours, I place my Faith and Trust in You alone as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you have truly placed your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord, submitting your life to Him, you can know that you are a child of God and on your way to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing Church and follow in baptism.

Studying The Bible Is Essential To Christian Growth. Click Here To Walk Through The Bible Verse By Verse From The Beginning, In 25 Minute Lessons:

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We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
I do think we've had some genuinely positive discussions in some of the threads. But, yeah, like politics it's basically impossible to expect that all conversations will remain civil and openminded.
I actually meant my post to be a joke.

That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
Yeah this thing keeps getting deleted and re-posted. Not to mention the OP spams multiple sites with the same thread and cut and paste posts.

It really should be gone for good.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.


@Joe Bryant serious question. Has there even been thread that has repeatedly been locked and shut down that has been allowed to restart like this one?
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
He hasn't even gotten to the condescending part of his message where he tells you how right he is and how wrong you are, with sprinkles of white nationalism on top for added flavor.

Fact. But in the actual definition of the word, not as how Paddington uses it.
 
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That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
10 years of spamming the same identical thread on the same board. That's quite a lousy accomplishment on both ends.
 
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I wasn't aware that this spamming was so widespread, since at least 2006. Google search.

 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
He hasn't even gotten to the condescending part of his message where he tells you how right he is and how wrong you are, with sprinkles of white nationalism on top for added flavor.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Should I Preach something that I don't believe in?
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
10 years of spamming the same identical thread on the same board. That's quite a lousy accomplishment on both ends.
Maybe this time my joke won't get deleted:
"Hey look, it's like Billy Mays reincarnated!"
And yet, if it hadn't been locked, it woukd have been the largest topic ever on this board because people need to hear it and discuss it . What question is more important than where you will spend eternity? Jesus said "What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul?"
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
It really is getting ridiculous.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
I do think we've had some genuinely positive discussions in some of the threads. But, yeah, like politics it's basically impossible to expect that all conversations will remain civil and openminded.
The key is to be a truth seeker rather than trying to win an argument.
assuming truth seeking is different than thread seeking, otherwise you'd only have the 1 thread.

I'm all for this thread- but I think the mods should combine the many identical threads paddy has started to consolidate what I'm sure is worthwhile conversation.

also- Paddington- just bump one your other threads. its counterproductive to redo the exact same thread over and over and over when the conversation was already started many times. it's also annoying... but I freely admit that might just be me.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
He hasn't even gotten to the condescending part of his message where he tells you how right he is and how wrong you are, with sprinkles of white nationalism on top for added flavor.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Should I Preach something that I don't believe in?
I wouldn't call what you do preaching.
 
I wasn't aware that this spamming was so widespread, since at least 2006. Google search.


Thought that one link said strippers online. :kicksrock:
 
Is there spam in heaven?
Per my Catholic upbringing:

"In heaven there is no beer...
That's why we drink it here"

I mean if there's not even beer in heaven but there's freaking spam, is it really even heaven by definition??
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
I do think we've had some genuinely positive discussions in some of the threads. But, yeah, like politics it's basically impossible to expect that all conversations will remain civil and openminded.
The key is to be a truth seeker rather than trying to win an argument.
assuming truth seeking is different than thread seeking, otherwise you'd only have the 1 thread.

I'm all for this thread- but I think the mods should combine the many identical threads paddy has started to consolidate what I'm sure is worthwhile conversation.

also- Paddington- just bump one your other threads. its counterproductive to redo the exact same thread over and over and over when the conversation was already started many times. it's also annoying... but I freely admit that might just be me.
He can't. They all get locked or deleted, then he starts another one. Which is what many of us see as a problem. Has there ever been another thread that gets repeatedly locked where the OP is allowed to just keep reposting it? This is spam. He posts it on every forum he can find. The content is just cut and paste.
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation. It helps me see how people view the world differently than me - and I’ve never understood the concept that we should avoid controversial subjects.
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation. It helps me see how people view the world differently than me - and I’ve never understood the concept that we should avoid controversial subjects.

While I don’t disagree that argument didn’t hold up where the political forum was concerned so not sure why it would here.
 
I don’t know about anyone else but I’m looking forward to the next iteration of this thread (which will look exactly like the 5 iterations before it) after this one gets locked. I’m sure THAT one will work.
 
New rule.

For every one of these that gets posted, lets post a new yoga pants discussion thread.

But seriously, do all the old ones really get locked? There was decent discussion and Q&A in some of them.
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation. It helps me see how people view the world differently than me - and I’ve never understood the concept that we should avoid controversial subjects.

While I don’t disagree that argument didn’t hold up where the political forum was concerned so not sure why it would here.

Not surprisingly, I think the decision to shut down political discourse was wrong too.

We should not be afraid of disagreements. We should be more afraid of silence.
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation.
Then I have good news for you. This exact same conversation has been online on various websites for 19 years now. Even better news --- I provided links to many of those conversations just upthread. After reading all of them, see if you want to observe it any more.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
Yeah this thing keeps getting deleted and re-posted. Not to mention the OP spams multiple sites with the same thread and cut and paste posts.

It really should be gone for good.
Why don't you want to go to heaven?
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation. It helps me see how people view the world differently than me - and I’ve never understood the concept that we should avoid controversial subjects.

While I don’t disagree that argument didn’t hold up where the political forum was concerned so not sure why it would here.

Not surprisingly, I think the decision to shut down political discourse was wrong too.

We should not be afraid of disagreements. We should be more afraid of silence.
Agree.

But also for clarity sake, I don’t think (or remember it being this way at least) that anyone was telling Paddington he was wrong or attempting to change his mind. Most, myself included, were trying to help him understand how his approach is ineffective and there are other ways to go about it. His belief system should be his and his alone, it’s certainly not my place to tell him what to believe. Unfortunately that is certainly not Paddington’s approach. He has not compunction about telling us we are wrong and he is right.
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation. It helps me see how people view the world differently than me - and I’ve never understood the concept that we should avoid controversial subjects.

While I don’t disagree that argument didn’t hold up where the political forum was concerned so not sure why it would here.

Not surprisingly, I think the decision to shut down political discourse was wrong too.

We should not be afraid of disagreements. We should be more afraid of silence.
Agree.

But also for clarity sake, I don’t think (or remember it being this way at least) that anyone was telling Paddington he was wrong or attempting to change his mind. Most, myself included, were trying to help him understand how his approach is ineffective and there are other ways to go about it. His belief system should be his and his alone, it’s certainly not my place to tell him what to believe. Unfortunately that is certainly not Paddington’s approach. He has not compunction about telling us we are wrong and he is right.

I've already said I don't believe in the bible - so he is preaching to a brick wall when it comes to me - but, my basic understanding of christianity is that there is an affirmative duty to spread the good word - its not enough to have a self-held belief. Christians are encouraged to spread the word - hence all the disciples and eventually all the missionaries, and then the OP.

I don't buy that - but I can respect that is a legitimately held belief. And I don't begrudge someone who takes that to heart.

(I'll confess I never follow these threads closely enough to know what Woz is talking about with the white nationalism, but respect Woz enough to believe that is an issue. And, I would disagree with white (or any) nationalism even more than my disagreement on the bible stuff)

It's also possible, even likely, that there is no legitimately held belief by the OP to spread christianity - but I am happy to ignore threads when I lose interest.

Just looking at my front page - 40 topics, looks like I have responded in 12, and mostly ignored the rest.
 
I find it odd that people find the need to post in here and argue about it or say stuff like it's getting ridiculous. Just move along if that's how you feel, imo. Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
 
I find it odd that people find the need to post in here and argue about it or say stuff like it's getting ridiculous. Just move along if that's how you feel, imo. Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
I find it odd that anyone approves of spam that has already been locked repeated times.
 
I don’t see the problem with the thread, the OP, or the topic.

If it is not of interest, just ignore it.

I disagree with OP on a lot of this. I’m not here to change his mind, and he is unlikely to change my mind. But I still see value in observing the conversation. It helps me see how people view the world differently than me - and I’ve never understood the concept that we should avoid controversial subjects.

While I don’t disagree that argument didn’t hold up where the political forum was concerned so not sure why it would here.

Not surprisingly, I think the decision to shut down political discourse was wrong too.

We should not be afraid of disagreements. We should be more afraid of silence.
Agree.

But also for clarity sake, I don’t think (or remember it being this way at least) that anyone was telling Paddington he was wrong or attempting to change his mind. Most, myself included, were trying to help him understand how his approach is ineffective and there are other ways to go about it. His belief system should be his and his alone, it’s certainly not my place to tell him what to believe. Unfortunately that is certainly not Paddington’s approach. He has not compunction about telling us we are wrong and he is right.
Paddington's approach to evangelism and religious discourse is like Lenny's approach to adorable rabbits.
 
I find it odd that people find the need to post in here and argue about it or say stuff like it's getting ridiculous. Just move along if that's how you feel, imo. Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:


Area man objects to objecting to spam.
 
I find it odd that people find the need to post in here and argue about it or say stuff like it's getting ridiculous. Just move along if that's how you feel, imo. Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
I find it odd that it’s allowed to propagate. If I came through once a month and started an obvious political topic, or a yoga pants thread, I highly doubt I’d be allowed to continue that. My question is why is this?
 
I find it odd that people find the need to post in here and argue about it or say stuff like it's getting ridiculous. Just move along if that's how you feel, imo. Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
I find it odd that it’s allowed to propagate. If I came through once a month and started an obvious political topic, or a yoga pants thread, I highly doubt I’d be allowed to continue that. My question is why is this?
I confess I don't follow this/these threads but I've also noticed them pop up from time to time. Is it the nature of the subject that results in the thread being locked, or the devolution of the discussion?
 
I find it odd that people find the need to post in here and argue about it or say stuff like it's getting ridiculous. Just move along if that's how you feel, imo. Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:


Area man objects to objecting to spam.
No objection, just interested in why people who object to it continue to prop it up. Seems counterproductive.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
 
In what could seems as counter to the point I’ve tried to make in this thread, it is a shame this conversational topic can’t seem to work (like many political threads). There are some people who have contributed, @dgreen to name one, who are fantastic and provide very informative and thought provoking posts.
 

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