Hype Train has Fallen off the Tracks - Kenbrell Thompkins (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

LMAO...that late 2nd I sent for him early this week is looking great right now

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Never left.

Same. He did go to the bench in a few leagues though. Cut Shorts, Roberts, HBey and ESanders, but never him. Filling in for Jordy pretty damn well right now though in one league.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rolling with Edelman over Thompkins this week - this is your chance, start KT while you can.

Well, he left your lineup anyway.

No worries... Edelman is tearing it up too. Plenty to go around.

 

[Purple_King]

even after the drops, brady still targets him

 

[mbrasi]

LMAO...that late 2nd I sent for him early this week is looking great right now

Traded J. Rodgers straight up

 

[Phlash]

even after the drops, brady still targets him

And he makes up for it with highlight reel catches when it matters.

 

[Raider Nation]

And Gronk/Amendola shouldn't affect his playing time at all. Gronk's presence will actually help KT. Amendola... not so much. A lot of mouths to feed.

 

[renesauz]

I'm thinking Edelman and Dobson will be the odd men out when Amendola and Gronk come back. KT seems to have solidified his role.

 

[Run It Up]

Rolling with Edelman over Thompkins this week - this is your chance, start KT while you can.

Well, he left your lineup anyway.

No worries... Edelman is tearing it up too. Plenty to go around.

I might actually start both next week against Cincy, the way Eli is playing I can't trust Hakeem Nicks. I'll definitely start both if Gronk or Danny are back.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rolling with Edelman over Thompkins this week - this is your chance, start KT while you can.

Well, he left your lineup anyway.

No worries... Edelman is tearing it up too. Plenty to go around.

I might actually start both next week against Cincy, the way Eli is playing I can't trust Hakeem Nicks.

Normally, I wouldn't hesitate to do the same but they seem so damned intent on getting the running game going. Worrisome.

 

[Slapdash]

I'm thinking Edelman and Dobson will be the odd men out when Amendola and Gronk come back. KT seems to have solidified his role.

KT is getting a lot of looks in the redzone and I think Gronk will take some of those. Seems clear that he will be heavily targeted though.

 

[pantherclub]

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I'm thinking Edelman and Dobson will be the odd men out when Amendola and Gronk come back. KT seems to have solidified his role.

KT is getting a lot of looks in the redzone and I think Gronk will take some of those. Seems clear that he will be heavily targeted though.

Maybe this should go in the Gronk thread but here goes, how long is it reasonable to expect Gronk to get into total game shape and fluid of the offense? He very well may take a ton of KT's red zone targets but I seriously doubt he does it the first or second week he comes back.

I guess my point is that with KT only getting better we have a few weeks to go before Gronk becomes a total factor of stealing targets etc.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Choo Choo!

It looks like a couple early posters here missed the train. Wonder when they'll be back.

 

[shader]

Choo Choo!

It looks like a couple early posters here missed the train. Wonder when they'll be back.

I started Kenbrell the first two weeks and benched him the last two. So basically, I haven't yet seen the benefits from this guy, but I can't bench him anymore. He seems to be the only one starting to figure it out.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Due to the Eddie Lacy injury, I was forced into remaining onboard in my flex spot... Very happy I did

Spoke way too soon!!! Just wonder what happens when Gronk, Vereen, & Dola are all in the lineup (if that even happens).

 

[Spin]

Just to give an idea of value.

10 team ppr 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex(any) + idp

Team A traded:

Vernon Davis

Thompkins

2014 1st

2014 2nd

Team B traded:

Gronk

This was after last night's game.

Considering most people put the gap between Graham/Gronk (arguable for Cameron/Thomas) and the rest of the TEs as very wide, think it shows Thompkins has quite a bit of value after two good showings. Maybe time to try to move him before Amendola/Gronk come back?

 

[lod01]

Due to the Eddie Lacy injury, I was forced into remaining onboard in my flex spot... Very happy I did

Spoke way too soon!!! Just wonder what happens when Gronk, Vereen, & Dola are all in the lineup (if that even happens).

He's going to need to continue to make big plays before they get back.

 

[Shutout]

I do not think he will continue (or improve) in production once Gronk and Amendola return simply because I do not think he can sustain the targets.

If we remember who Gronk is and what he means to Brady and we remember that Amendola is basically Welker and we remember htose targets they commanded, I think it is clear.

Has Thompkins seemed to show that he might be a valuable fantasy player? Sure, in what 4 weeks of data can show, I won't argue. But I think this is headed for a Denver Broncos-like scenario where a guy could be HUGE one week and not the next. I think we need to expect to base his production on 5-8 targets most weeks (after Gronk, Amendola, a running game, and a handful here or there, you're pushing 45 tosses a game to sustain the high end of that).

So, let's see what he can do with that but I think if I had him right now I would toss out some sell high feelers and see how people are thinking.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I do not think he will continue (or improve) in production once Gronk and Amendola return simply because I do not think he can sustain the targets.

If we remember who Gronk is and what he means to Brady and we remember that Amendola is basically Welker and we remember htose targets they commanded, I think it is clear.

Through 4 games in 2013, KT has 14, 7, 7, 11 targets. That's 39 targets.

Through 4 games in 2012, Brandon Lloyd had 8, 13, 12, 7 targets. That's 40 targets.

Now I don't know if KT is running the exact same position as Lloyd, but Brady considers him as often as he considered Lloyd last year. Lloyd's numbers were with Gronk in. If Brady considers KT the primary outside guy, and for now it seems like it does, even if Gronk comes back KT shouldn't get less attention than he is now.

 

[Slapdash]

I do not think he will continue (or improve) in production once Gronk and Amendola return simply because I do not think he can sustain the targets.

If we remember who Gronk is and what he means to Brady and we remember that Amendola is basically Welker and we remember htose targets they commanded, I think it is clear.

Through 4 games in 2013, KT has 14, 7, 7, 11 targets. That's 39 targets.

Through 4 games in 2012, Brandon Lloyd had 8, 13, 12, 7 targets. That's 40 targets.

Now I don't know if KT is running the exact same position as Lloyd, but Brady considers him as often as he considered Lloyd last year. Lloyd's numbers were with Gronk in. If Brady considers KT the primary outside guy, and for now it seems like it does, even if Gronk comes back KT shouldn't get less attention than he is now.

Great find.

 

[Run It Up]

I do not think he will continue (or improve) in production once Gronk and Amendola return simply because I do not think he can sustain the targets.

If we remember who Gronk is and what he means to Brady and we remember that Amendola is basically Welker and we remember htose targets they commanded, I think it is clear.

Through 4 games in 2013, KT has 14, 7, 7, 11 targets. That's 39 targets.

Through 4 games in 2012, Brandon Lloyd had 8, 13, 12, 7 targets. That's 40 targets.

Now I don't know if KT is running the exact same position as Lloyd, but Brady considers him as often as he considered Lloyd last year. Lloyd's numbers were with Gronk in. If Brady considers KT the primary outside guy, and for now it seems like it does, even if Gronk comes back KT shouldn't get less attention than he is now.

His role likely won't change much if at all when Gronk, Danny and Vereen are all healthy - the same can't be said about the other rookies or Edelman, IMO. Agree completely with your assumption.

 

[Kenny Powers]

KT's targets may decline when the band comes together, but on the other hand he is going to be seeing much less attention defensively and I think he could thrive in that situation, especially with big plays. I dont think Danny Tornvagola affects KT much at all, Edelman is seeing all of those targets at the moment, and I wouldnt be surprised if Danny is only healthy for 4 games this season anyway.

 

[mbuehner]

KT's targets may decline when the band comes together, but on the other hand he is going to be seeing much less attention defensively and I think he could thrive in that situation, especially with big plays. I dont think Danny Tornvagola affects KT much at all, Edelman is seeing all of those targets at the moment, and I wouldnt be surprised if Danny is only healthy for 4 games this season anyway.

This. And KTs role he doesnt need a ton of targets if he converts them to put up big points.

 

[Hoss Style]

I also don't agree with people putting Amendola as an automatic replacement for Welker. I think that's undervaluing Welker and overvaluing Amendola. He's had one game so far. I'd guess he fills in for 80-90% of what Welker did (when he's on the field), but that still leaves a few more targets to go around for KT.

I agree with Kenny, above. Danny will probably be hurt again, and even when he's in I don't think he gets open like Welker did after years spent working with Brady. KT will still get his chances (if he performs).

 

[Run It Up]

I also don't agree with people putting Amendola as an automatic replacement for Welker. I think that's undervaluing Welker and overvaluing Amendola. He's had one game so far. I'd guess he fills in for 80-90% of what Welker did (when he's on the field), but that still leaves a few more targets to go around for KT.

I agree with Kenny, above. Danny will probably be hurt again, and even when he's in I don't think he gets open like Welker did after years spent working with Brady. KT will still get his

chances (if he performs).

To assume Danny will be hurt again is poor judgement imo. This is his 3rd freak injury, the injury he sustained was not severe and there is nothing to reinjure. If he gets injured again it would be a completely separate issue.

After completely tearing it, which seemingly didn't reduce his ability at all, it was hurting the most it would hurt - and he came back in and played another half of football - well, he was quick and fast, made good movements.

Normally when someone tears their adductor, or more specifically the adductor longus (muscle from groin to thigh) once you are over the pain, the risk comes from reinjury - so the solution is typically to just completely cut the muscle so there is nothing to reinjure. Well Danny completely tore his adductor, which means he avoided surgery, likely started the healing process earlier, and now has nothing to reinjure.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I also don't agree with people putting Amendola as an automatic replacement for Welker. I think that's undervaluing Welker and overvaluing Amendola. He's had one game so far. I'd guess he fills in for 80-90% of what Welker did (when he's on the field), but that still leaves a few more targets to go around for KT.

I agree with Kenny, above. Danny will probably be hurt again, and even when he's in I don't think he gets open like Welker did after years spent working with Brady. KT will still get his

chances (if he performs).

To assume Danny will be hurt again is poor judgement imo. This is his 3rd freak injury, the injury he sustained was not severe and there is nothing to reinjure. If he gets injured again it would be a completely separate issue.

After completely tearing it, which seemingly didn't reduce his ability at all, it was hurting the most it would hurt - and he came back in and played another half of football - well, he was quick and fast, made good movements.

Normally when someone tears their adductor, or more specifically the adductor longus (muscle from groin to thigh) once you are over the pain, the risk comes from reinjury - so the solution is typically to just completely cut the muscle so there is nothing to reinjure. Well Danny completely tore his adductor, which means he avoided surgery, likely started the healing process earlier, and now has nothing to reinjure.

I agree with you on this particular injury, but there has to be some point where you will think "I don't know the underlying cause, but things just don't work out for him". Some people are at that point now, you clearly are not. How many additional freak injuries would it take for you to have that opinion? 2? 3? 6? I'm starting to suspect that he just has bad luck, and it doesn't matter why.

 

[Run It Up]

I also don't agree with people putting Amendola as an automatic replacement for Welker. I think that's undervaluing Welker and overvaluing Amendola. He's had one game so far. I'd guess he fills in for 80-90% of what Welker did (when he's on the field), but that still leaves a few more targets to go around for KT.

I agree with Kenny, above. Danny will probably be hurt again, and even when he's in I don't think he gets open like Welker did after years spent working with Brady. KT will still get his

chances (if he performs).

To assume Danny will be hurt again is poor judgement imo. This is his 3rd freak injury, the injury he sustained was not severe and there is nothing to reinjure. If he gets injured again it would be a completely separate issue.

After completely tearing it, which seemingly didn't reduce his ability at all, it was hurting the most it would hurt - and he came back in and played another half of football - well, he was quick and fast, made good movements.

Normally when someone tears their adductor, or more specifically the adductor longus (muscle from groin to thigh) once you are over the pain, the risk comes from reinjury - so the solution is typically to just completely cut the muscle so there is nothing to reinjure. Well Danny completely tore his adductor, which means he avoided surgery, likely started the healing process earlier, and now has nothing to reinjure.

I agree with you on this particular injury, but there has to be some point where you will think "I don't know the underlying cause, but things just don't work out for him". Some people are at that point now, you clearly are not. How many additional freak injuries would it take for you to have that opinion? 2? 3? 6? I'm starting to suspect that he just has bad luck, and it doesn't matter why.

Its clear as day how he keeps getting hurt, he plays hard and fast - which makes him a little reckless.

First injury (nsfw), on a short crossing route he catches the ball with defenders still behind a yard or two, he weaves to avoid the defender slips and trys to catch himself on a bad angle dislocating his elbow - landed him on the IR.

Second injury, catches a ball on a short pass in good coverage but as hes taken to the ground he lands oddly on shoulder, breaking his collarbone.

Third injury, couldn't find a video of the play, on streak he made a cut into the endzone and came out of the play limping, went to the locker room and returned in the second half and played out the game. Finished the game with 10 receptions for 104 yards (7 receptions and 64 yards came out of the 2nd half).

 

[mbuehner]

I also don't agree with people putting Amendola as an automatic replacement for Welker. I think that's undervaluing Welker and overvaluing Amendola. He's had one game so far. I'd guess he fills in for 80-90% of what Welker did (when he's on the field), but that still leaves a few more targets to go around for KT.

I agree with Kenny, above. Danny will probably be hurt again, and even when he's in I don't think he gets open like Welker did after years spent working with Brady. KT will still get his

chances (if he performs).

To assume Danny will be hurt again is poor judgement imo. This is his 3rd freak injury, the injury he sustained was not severe and there is nothing to reinjure. If he gets injured again it would be a completely separate issue.

After completely tearing it, which seemingly didn't reduce his ability at all, it was hurting the most it would hurt - and he came back in and played another half of football - well, he was quick and fast, made good movements.

Normally when someone tears their adductor, or more specifically the adductor longus (muscle from groin to thigh) once you are over the pain, the risk comes from reinjury - so the solution is typically to just completely cut the muscle so there is nothing to reinjure. Well Danny completely tore his adductor, which means he avoided surgery, likely started the healing process earlier, and now has nothing to reinjure.

I agree with you on this particular injury, but there has to be some point where you will think "I don't know the underlying cause, but things just don't work out for him". Some people are at that point now, you clearly are not. How many additional freak injuries would it take for you to have that opinion? 2? 3? 6? I'm starting to suspect that he just has bad luck, and it doesn't matter why.

Its clear as day how he keeps getting hurt, he plays hard and fast - which makes him a little reckless.

First injury (nsfw), on a short crossing route he catches the ball with defenders still behind a yard or two, he weaves to avoid the defender slips and trys to catch himself on a bad angle dislocating his elbow - landed him on the IR.

Second injury, catches a ball on a short pass in good coverage but as hes taken to the ground he lands oddly on shoulder, breaking his collarbone.

Third injury, couldn't find a video of the play, on streak he made a cut into the endzone and came out of the play limping, went to the locker room and returned in the second half and played out the game. Finished the game with 10 receptions for 104 yards (7 receptions and 64 yards came out of the 2nd half).

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

 

[Run It Up]

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

Then call it what it is, superstition. Everyone could get hurt, calling someone injury prone for having three separate freak injuries is nothing similar to someone reinjuring the same thing over and over again.

 

[mbuehner]

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

Then call it what it is, superstition. Everyone could get hurt, calling someone injury prone for having three separate freak injuries is nothing similar to someone reinjuring the same thing over and over again.

Thats assuming some guys aren't just injury prone. I know thats gotten to be a bad word but i dont see why some people just have less 'give' in their joints and tendons and/or strength in their bones. Its a brutal game, we're talking about the top caliber of athletes trained to peak physical strength and condition. Is it any wonder some guys bodies are less able to withstand the rigor?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

Then call it what it is, superstition. Everyone could get hurt, calling someone injury prone for having three separate freak injuries is nothing similar to someone reinjuring the same thing over and over again.

For that first post - no doubt Amendola is a gamer. Who returns from torn groin muscles in the same game? But this part of his personality might be what gives his problems. Is it possible that his style of play is too reckless for his body? If so, why would it matter if he injures the same part of his body or different parts? If he's dangerous to himself, then there is a better than typical chance he get hurt again. That's my point of view, I don't have any proof of this. My question is at what point would you start to believe this? Or never?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

Then call it what it is, superstition. Everyone could get hurt, calling someone injury prone for having three separate freak injuries is nothing similar to someone reinjuring the same thing over and over again.

No way no how.

Danny really does get hurt more then most.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

...and now has nothing to reinjure.

Nothing - except every other bone/muscle/ligament/tendon in his body.

 

[Run It Up]

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

Then call it what it is, superstition. Everyone could get hurt, calling someone injury prone for having three separate freak injuries is nothing similar to someone reinjuring the same thing over and over again.

For that first post - no doubt Amendola is a gamer. Who returns from torn groin muscles in the same game? But this part of his personality might be what gives his problems. Is it possible that his style of play is too reckless for his body? If so, why would it matter if he injures the same part of his body or different parts? If he's dangerous to himself, then there is a better than typical chance he get hurt again. That's my point of view, I don't have any proof of this. My question is at what point would you start to believe this? Or never?

I don't disagree at all, as I actually plainly stated that to be the case above.

But discipline can be learned, he can maintain his burst and intensity he just needs to wisen up a little. Slow down the game in his head, which I'm sure the coaching staff will be able to help him out with, see Welker over the past 5 years - became increasingly aware of situations to exploit and avoid, he still took some tough hits but he also avoided a great deal more.

 

[thecardiackid]

can you guys go start a amendola injury analysis thread and let us get back to KT here?

it will be interesting to see how dobson's injury turns out (looked rough) as he's going to be the main competition when gronk and amendola are back in the mix. i'm glad I hung on to him after the first couple of weeks. he looks to be a nice bye week flex / wr 2/3 fill in moving forward. targets (and less drops) will be the key.

 

[lod01]

KT has taken the spot vacated by Lloyd. He'll be in the game almost every play going forward.

 

[Raider Nation]

When everyone is healthy, I would imagine we'll see 1 RB, Gronk, Amendola, Thompkins and Edelman as your base 11.

JMO.

Edit: In other words, I think both KT and Edelman will still see full snap counts regardless of who gets healthy.

 

[lod01]

When everyone is healthy, I would imagine we'll see 1 RB, Gronk, Amendola, Thompkins and Edelman as your base 11.

JMO.

Edit: In other words, I think both KT and Edelman will still see full snap counts regardless of who gets healthy.

That's the way I see it. KT will be drawing single coverage with Gronk and the 2 little fast dudes running all over. May not get as many targets but they should be higher quality as Brady is top notch at finding open guys.

 

[Raider Nation]

And those of us who stuck with Brady through this early rough patch will be rewarded.

Not exactly Denver-level weapons.... but damned nice weapons.

Can't wait to bump the "Bust Alert: Tom Brady" thread weekly.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Has KT being seeing a healthy amount of RZ targets? I'm going to have to analyze the snap/utilization distribution once the data is available but you'd have to think a healthy Gronk is going to cap KT's ceiling. Brady doesn't care if Gronk is doubled, he has one of the largest catching radiuses in the league.

Coming into this week, KT was Greg Little inefficient (something like 33% catch rate), if the volume of targets decreases I'd also be a bit worried.

Well see how things pan out but this may be an opportune time to sell high. I'll be debating sending him out in package deals once more data is available.

 

[Run It Up]

When everyone is healthy, I would imagine we'll see 1 RB, Gronk, Amendola, Thompkins and Edelman as your base 11.

JMO.

Edit: In other words, I think both KT and Edelman will still see full snap counts regardless of who gets healthy.

When you say everyone, do you mean pre or post week 11 when Vereen returns.

Before literally everyone was hurt I saw it as:

KT and Dobson on the outsides. Gronk everydown TE. Amendola everydown slot receiver. Vereen playing the Welker/Hernandez move role.

Expected to see a lot of split back formations with Vereen rarely leaving the field.

 

[ODannyBoy]

We have this conversation after all of his freak injuries, and then he has another freak injury.

Then call it what it is, superstition. Everyone could get hurt, calling someone injury prone for having three separate freak injuries is nothing similar to someone reinjuring the same thing over and over again.

Thats assuming some guys aren't just injury prone. I know thats gotten to be a bad word but i dont see why some people just have less 'give' in their joints and tendons and/or strength in their bones. Its a brutal game, we're talking about the top caliber of athletes trained to peak physical strength and condition. Is it any wonder some guys bodies are less able to withstand the rigor?

Good posting. It's amazing that people can go to a gym and see different people train similarly yet with such a wide range of results and not realize that some people are going to be more prone to injury in an burst/impact game like football.

The same types of things that make one guy naturally stronger are those same types of things that make one guy more prone to breaks, tears, sprains, etc.

Just seemingly little things like the unique angles at which your arm and hip sockets orient will affect how much of your muscle you can effectively bring to bear during the different phases of a single weight lifting exercise.

So how can it be unthinkable that those same tissues react differently from person to person under a similar game scenario?

 

[Mistabishi]

KT looks to be a productive receiver for years to come and I've been working to acquire him in all of my dynasty leagues. In redraft I'm going to wait until Gronk and Amendola return to watch the KT owners panic and take whatever if he delivers a dud.

 

[mbuehner]

Has KT being seeing a healthy amount of RZ targets? I'm going to have to analyze the snap/utilization distribution once the data is available but you'd have to think a healthy Gronk is going to cap KT's ceiling. Brady doesn't care if Gronk is doubled, he has one of the largest catching radiuses in the league.

Coming into this week, KT was Greg Little inefficient (something like 33% catch rate), if the volume of targets decreases I'd also be a bit worried.

Well see how things pan out but this may be an opportune time to sell high. I'll be debating sending him out in package deals once more data is available.

Huh, this is interesting. Through week 4, KT is the SECOND most targetted WR in the red zone in the NFL, and tied for 3 for any position. Not just that, but he's number 4 in fantasy points in the RZ for WRs and TEs. Thats pretty huge given his shaky start. Thats more RZ points than Lloyd had all of last year btw.

Of course that sword cuts both ways- LLoyd wasnt getting looks in the RZ when Hernandez and Gronk were on the field.

I think we're underestimating how effective KT has been so far. He can give up quite a bit to Gronk and Amendola and still be useful, but thats rather his floor (unless he melts down). His ceiling is that Brady likes him 1 on 1 in the corner of the endzone with everybody else doubled up, and in the open field KT is getting 1 on 1 and getting behind the defenses for home runs. I'm not willing to bet the farm on it, but I really like the possibility that he actually improves with Gronk and Danny back and his freshman jitters shaking out. He's played 4 games of professional football and he's WR18. You gotta love that for what we paid for him.

 

[Run It Up]

He has played amazing well even when struggling as an undrafted rookie.

He was breaking ankles on routes every game, he just had problems catching that he is improving on.

I maintain that Gronk and Danny actually increase KT's value, even if he loses some targets, which imo isn't a given.

 

[Phlash]

I also don't agree with people putting Amendola as an automatic replacement for Welker. I think that's undervaluing Welker and overvaluing Amendola. He's had one game so far. I'd guess he fills in for 80-90% of what Welker did (when he's on the field), but that still leaves a few more targets to go around for KT.

I agree with Kenny, above. Danny will probably be hurt again, and even when he's in I don't think he gets open like Welker did after years spent working with Brady. KT will still get his

chances (if he performs).

To assume Danny will be hurt again is poor judgement imo. This is his 3rd freak injury, the injury he sustained was not severe and there is nothing to reinjure. If he gets injured again it would be a completely separate issue.

It almost makes me more concerned that he fully tore his abductor. Why are his bones and muscles seemingly fragile? At some point you have to start saying maybe its his genetics.

I love Amendola the player but some people did not win the genetic lottery when it comes to their muscle and bone health.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I do not think he will continue (or improve) in production once Gronk and Amendola return simply because I do not think he can sustain the targets.

If we remember who Gronk is and what he means to Brady and we remember that Amendola is basically Welker and we remember htose targets they commanded, I think it is clear.

And Edelman is basically Amendola and was getting the same targets that Amendola would have if he was in the game.

 

[Run It Up]

I do not think he will continue (or improve) in production once Gronk and Amendola return simply because I do not think he can sustain the targets.

If we remember who Gronk is and what he means to Brady and we remember that Amendola is basically Welker and we remember htose targets they commanded, I think it is clear.

And Edelman is basically Amendola and was getting the same targets that Amendola would have if he was in the game.

Edelman is nowhere near Amendola in talent or ability when it comes to being a WR, can we please put this garbage to rest already...

Amendola is also more than a step behind Welker in ability.

 

[tombonneau]

He has played amazing well even when struggling as an undrafted rookie.

He was breaking ankles on routes every game, he just had problems catching that he is improving on.

I maintain that Gronk and Danny actually increase KT's value, even if he loses some targets, which imo isn't a given.

I love KT and picked him up, but as a Pats fan what drives me crazy is he seems to make every catch much harder on himself than it should be. Whether he's bobbling to bring it on or jumping up when he doesn't need to, he still seems to lack those innate instincts great WRs have. Hopefully he improves on that, but a lot of people don't realize dude is 25. At a point, you are what you are.

Still wishing NE had drafted Woods early instead, but that's another thread ...

 

[Raider Nation]

He has played amazing well even when struggling as an undrafted rookie.

He was breaking ankles on routes every game, he just had problems catching that he is improving on.

I maintain that Gronk and Danny actually increase KT's value, even if he loses some targets, which imo isn't a given.

I love KT and picked him up, but as a Pats fan what drives me crazy is he seems to make every catch much harder on himself than it should be. Whether he's bobbling to bring it on or jumping up when he doesn't need to, he still seems to lack those innate instincts great WRs have. Hopefully he improves on that, but a lot of people don't realize dude is 25. At a point, you are what you are.

He fights the ball sometimes as opposed to looking like a natural pass catcher. That can be overcome though.