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[Juxtatarot]

I'm kind of confused. 

Virologists study viruses. Their work and career is specifically on the study of viruses. But yet they are claiming they don't exist?

Or, just a few are claiming they don't exist? And those virologists are more trustworthy than the majority of them that have literally dedicated their lives and careers to studying them?

Or we don't believe any virologists? We believe others that claim to know more than virologists? 

It's my understanding that the answers to all these questions are behind the curtain.

 

[dkp993]

I will admit to being sick of it, but I've decided not to comment directly towards the poster unless I'm directly quoted or it is called for. I certainly don't want to get suspended over this.

Like I said before, I have an inkling that the person is posting in bad faith, but I can't go too into it or why. All I know is what the person on the other end provides as discussion or grist for the mill, or what have you. And what I have noticed is that many more end users than normal are promoting conspiracy theories at an alarming rate. This cannot be good for ordered society as we know it. It upsets the natural order that received wisdom provides us.

I've posted in the political thread that we do not know more than tradition does. In order to tear down a fence that obstructs or prevents, perhaps we need to know why it is there in the first place. Only when we answer that is tradition or received knowledge ready to be overthrown or rejected. Not before. This particular poster has overthrown conventional wisdom with limited means, and his conclusions are disastrous for himself, his family, his communication partners.

It's all bad. It's pollution.

But no seriously Rock, tell us how you really feel.  

 

[jhib]

Virologists doing actual research have conceded that they cannot distinguish between a virus and an exosome. But since you know everything about virology and I'm just an uninformed idiot, I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know. 

You talking about something like this Clark?

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/33/9155 

Just a guess on my part, but this probably has to do with that one "covid isn't real" guy (Andrew Kaufman) who mischaracterized one paper by virologist James Hildreth and made it sound like he thought viruses and exosomes were one and the same.  Hildreth later repudiated his interpretation and made it clear that Covid-19 is caused by a virus.

https://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html

 

[stbugs]

Just a guess on my part, but this probably has to do with that one "covid isn't real" guy (Andree Kaufman) who mischaracterized one paper by virologist James Hildreth and made it sound like he thought viruses and exosomes were one and the same.  Hildreth later repudiated his interpretation and made it clear that Covid-19 is caused by a virus.

https://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html

Thanks. So funny that he can’t see that he’s just falling into the same needing someone to feed him his beliefs trap. He got out once and now he’s right back into regurgitation of others false work with no real knowledge. Ironic and comical at the same time.

 

[fatness]

And what I have noticed is that many more end users than normal are promoting conspiracy theories at an alarming rate.

I've noticed that too and dislike it. But the old Pizzagate threads made it obvious the site is open for doing just that. It's just a shame that it's not flat earth or 9/11 or JFK conspiracy theories, and instead is conspiracy theories that literally convince people to risk their own lives and the lives of others. For nothing 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Well, I haven’t been to a doctor in almost 10 years and only then because the state required me to get physicals while we were fostering our kids. I’m 56, I weigh the same as I did 30 years ago, have a lower bp than I did then (118/68 currently), and I pretty much never get sick. 
 

But hey, you keep injecting and ingesting pharmaceuticals and I’ll keep living my crazy, unscientific lifestyle. As long as your lifestyle is working for you, I’ll keep letting mine work for me.

Good for you in maintaining your weight (assuming you’re not obese) and a normal blood pressure. Those two factors alone will go a long way to promoting health in middle age. But not seeing a doctor in a decade, it’s hard to be know with absolute certainty that you’re truly “healthy”.

 

[Terminalxylem]

For those who don't think that the modern healthcare system is driven by profits and the pharmaceutical industry, allow me to share a recent experience.

My son is 12. He had a traumatic birth, was in PICU for over a month, had to have a blood transfusion, and I could go on. He came into our care at 11 weeks old as a foster child. 7 months later we adopted him. 

When he was placed with us we found a local pediatrician who has seen him go from a sickly infant to a very healthy 12 year old. The only times he's been to the doctor in the past few years is for his annual well-visit. When he was an infant we were fully bought into the system and he had all of his vaccines on schedule (despite being an underweight premie with significant health issues, but that's a separate discussion). He's had 35 doses of vaccines. 35.

Because of what we've learned along the way we decided that we would prefer that he not receive his last 2 boosters. Can't even recall exactly which ones they are right now. I talked to the school nurse and she let us know that we just need to send her a letter stating our reasons for choosing not to get it. The state of PA allows for exemptions.

But when we informed our pediatrician of almost 12 years of our intention, he informed us that we would no longer be allowed to remain in the practice. We had actually followed him from one practice to another a few years back, so I called the practice we had left. Nope, they wouldn't take us either. Why is that? Money. If they fall under a certain % of "fully vaccinated" patients, it hurts their bottom line.

Fortunately my wife works in healthcare and we were able to find a family practice that was happy to take us. When my wife was asked why we were changing doctors and explained to the new practice what had happened, the woman was shocked. She couldn't believe that a doctor would throw a patient out for simply choosing not to get 2 boosters.

But that's pediatric medicine in America in 2021.

I think many pediatricians “fire” patients unwilling to take part in routine vaccination to avoid the anti-scientific aggravation that accompanies that stance. While it’s certainly appropriate to have a dialogue about concerns with the standard of care,  there comes a point when a non-compliant patient probably isn’t worth the hassle.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I think many pediatricians “fire” patients unwilling to take part in routine vaccination to avoid the anti-scientific aggravation that accompanies that stance. While it’s certainly appropriate to have a dialogue about concerns with the standard of care,  there comes a point when a non-compliant patient probably isn’t worth the hassle.

No, no, it's because *checks notes* If they fall under a certain % of "fully vaccinated" patients, it hurts their bottom line. They need to pump kids full of toxins for money, don't you see? 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Deep Dive into Stupid

rejecting germ theory

Thanks. I’d never heard of contemporary anti-germ theorists. Interesting tidbit from that article, given Crosseyed’s dietary choices:

So how do you avoid toxic exposures and failing at life? Basically, you just eat a lot of fruit and cut out all things "not fit for man." That includes meat, dairy, eggs, breads, pasta, soy, nut and seed oils, potatoes, garlic, onions, cereals, salt, fermented foods, coffee, supplements, alcohol, tobacco, and any other intoxicating substances. Oh, and all evidence-based drugs, medical treatments, and vaccines—obviously.

Makes it sound like strict anti-germers are near-fruitarians, too.

 

[RC94]

No, no, it's because *checks notes* If they fall under a certain % of "fully vaccinated" patients, it hurts their bottom line. They need to pump kids full of toxins for money, don't you see? 

Also, vaccinated people are stealing the ant-vax's children and making them bake cookies in hollowed out oak trees.  You should get vaccinated if you want to avoid this, even if it does feed the doctor's bottom line.

 

[Terminalxylem]

It's why people that who were so assured they were right about their religious impulses bothers me so. If it's not an ethic they're following for themselves, but rather, teachings and literal behavioral proscriptions and restrictions towards others, my dander gets up.

In the immortal philosophic words of David Hume as interpreted by T.Z. Lavine, "How do you know?"

I don’t like that quality either, but doesn’t faith demand it to some extent?

 

[Terminalxylem]

No, no, it's because *checks notes* If they fall under a certain % of "fully vaccinated" patients, it hurts their bottom line. They need to pump kids full of toxins for money, don't you see? 

That sounds suspiciously similar to all the nonsense about doctors being incentivized to diagnose everything as covid, and misclassify deaths for financial gain.

 

[Jayrok]

All this because of one line: "Don’t even get me started on this COVID ridiculousness."

In all fairness, he did say don't get me started. 

 

[stbugs]

Also, vaccinated people are stealing the ant-vax's children and making them bake cookies in hollowed out oak trees.  You should get vaccinated if you want to avoid this, even if it does feed the doctor's bottom line.

That’s the other Facebook Group. This one is solely about the disdain for fish tanks because the fish swim towards pro-vaccine kids (the 5G signals).

 

[SWC]

i think most of the people who push the antivax stuff are dumber than i am so basically just let that sink in for a bit take that to the bank brohans 

 

[northern exposure]

Good for you in maintaining your weight (assuming you’re not obese) and a normal blood pressure. Those two factors alone will go a long way to promoting health in middle age. But not seeing a doctor in a decade, it’s hard to be know with absolute certainty that you’re truly “healthy”.

I think this is very true. We probably all know (or at least have heard of) someone that was "the picture of health" and then they have a heart attack, stroke, etc. Someone can appear healthy by society's standards (slim, consistent weight, don't smoke or drink to excess,etc.) and there are factors beneath the surface that are very unhealthy.

 

[jhib]

Deep Dive into Stupid

rejecting germ theory

Thanks. I’d never heard of contemporary anti-germ theorists. Interesting tidbit from that article, given Crosseyed’s dietary choices:

So how do you avoid toxic exposures and failing at life? Basically, you just eat a lot of fruit and cut out all things "not fit for man." That includes meat, dairy, eggs, breads, pasta, soy, nut and seed oils, potatoes, garlic, onions, cereals, salt, fermented foods, coffee, supplements, alcohol, tobacco, and any other intoxicating substances. Oh, and all evidence-based drugs, medical treatments, and vaccines—obviously.

Makes it sound like strict anti-germers are near-fruitarians, too.

Well, that's where the structured water comes into play.  It supposedly helps to remove "toxins" that come from the unhealthy aspects of your diet and environment.  But it's okay to use this form of medicine, because it totally works and nobody makes money off of it.

If you’re in the dark about how structured water technologies work, well, here’s the answer! The structured water technologies system works without filters (although they can be used if the need arises), without chemicals or salts, without electricity, without magnets, and without any moving mechanical parts. It requires no maintenance. The working part of the structured water technologies is water itself. Nature does not clean the water as much as it allows the water to clean itself. So let water do the work. I created a machine whose working parts are made of water. It is a machine of water that works at the molecular level to allow water to refresh and clean itself. It resembles more a musical instrument than a machine. If we were a water molecule on the path through this device it would be an exhilarating roller coaster ride. We would come out refreshed and ready to perform our life-given roles. Hence, the structured water technologies.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Well, that's where the structured water comes into play.  It supposedly helps to remove "toxins" that come from the unhealthy aspects of your diet and environment.  But it's okay to use this form of medicine, because it totally works and nobody makes money off of it.

Yeah, I always like people who demonize Big Pharma/Medicine while simultaneously ignoring the financial incentive for purveyors of “alternative” treatments.

 

[AAABatteries]

Year 2028

Well apparently you guys were right about that whole germ thing.  I’m now selling Essential Oils and by the way, have any of you heard that the earth is hollow?

 

[SWC]

i remember a while ago a restaurant by me said they were open under new management and new and improved so we went in and it was the worst meal i ever had and horrible service and they were all lippy anytime you asked for something like the fries that never came out and it made me wonder if this is new and improved what was it like before and we just decided that it was a restaurant not worth paying attention to anymore just a little story from the history of swc take that to the bank

 

[CrossEyed2]

Since this is apparently not allowed to be discussed in the COVID vaccine thread.

International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination

Volume 4 Issue 1 January 23 2017

New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination

Antonietta M Gatti and Stefano Montanari

https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro--and-nanocontamination.html

“The analyses carried out show that in all samples checked vaccines contain non biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign bodies which are not declared by the Producers, against which the body reacts in any case. This new investigation represents a new quality control that can be adopted to assess the safety of a vaccine. Our hypothesis is that this contamination is unintentional, since it is probably due to polluted components or procedures of industrial processes (e.g. filtrations) used to produce vaccines…”

“The quantity of foreign bodies detected and, in some cases, their unusual chemical compositions baffled us. The inorganic particles identified are neither biocompatible nor biodegradable, that means that they are biopersistent and can induce effects that can become evident either immediately close to injection time or after a certain time from administration. It is important to remember that particles (crystals and not molecules) are bodies foreign to the organism and they behave as such. More in particular, their toxicity is in some respects different from that of the chemical elements composing them, adding to that toxicity…they induce an inflammatory reaction.”

“After being injected, those microparticles, nanoparticles and aggregates can stay around the injection site forming swellings and granulomas…But they can also be carried by the blood circulation, escaping any attempt to guess what will be their final destination…As happens with all foreign bodies, particularly that small, they induce an inflammatory reaction that is chronic because most of those particles cannot be degraded. Furthermore, the protein-corona effect…due to a nano-bio-interaction…can produce organic/inorganic composite particles capable of stimulating the immune system in an undesirable way…It is impossible not to add that particles the size often observed in vaccines can enter cell nuclei and interact with the DNA…”

“In some cases, e.g. as occurs with Iron and some Iron alloys, they can corrode and the corrosion products exert a toxicity affecting the tissues…”

“Given the contaminations we observed in all samples of human-use vaccines, adverse effects after the injection of those vaccines are possible and credible and have the character of randomness, since they depend on where the contaminants are carried by the blood circulation. It is only obvious that similar quantities of these foreign bodies can have a more serious impact on very small organisms like those of children. Their presence in the muscles…could heavily impair the muscle functionality…”

“We come across particles with chemical compositions, similar to those found in the vaccines we analyzed, when we study cases of environmental contamination caused by different pollution sources. In most circumstances, the combinations detected are very odd as they have no technical use, cannot be found in any material handbook and look like the result of the random formation occurring, for example, when waste is burnt. In any case, whatever their origin, they should not be present in any injectable medicament, let alone in vaccines, more in particular those meant for infants.”

 

[belljr]

Therein lies the most problematic issue with the data. The numbers are well below the level of biological activity, if these various chemicals even have biological activity (most don’t). For example, the authors found 1569 particles or precipitates in one drop of Cervarix (an anti-HPV vaccine). Sounds horrific right? Except that one drop of vaccine contains around 1.39 X 10^21 individual molecules. This so called contamination approximately 0.0000000000000000000719% of these so called contaminants.

In that Cervarix sample, the researchers found aluminum hydroxide, one of those scary sounding compounds. Let’s say every one of those 1569 particles was aluminum hydroxide, it would mean that around 0.000000000001 ng of aluminum hydroxide in a vial of vaccine. That is simply biologically irrelevant. Even if the aluminum hydroxide was found, it’s level is so low, that the human body wouldn’t notice it. You breathe in more aluminum on a normal day than you would ever find in a vial of vaccine.

 

[CrossEyed2]

Therein lies the most problematic issue with the data. The numbers are well below the level of biological activity, if these various chemicals even have biological activity (most don’t). For example, the authors found 1569 particles or precipitates in one drop of Cervarix (an anti-HPV vaccine). Sounds horrific right? Except that one drop of vaccine contains around 1.39 X 10^21 individual molecules. This so called contamination approximately 0.0000000000000000000719% of these so called contaminants.

In that Cervarix sample, the researchers found aluminum hydroxide, one of those scary sounding compounds. Let’s say every one of those 1569 particles was aluminum hydroxide, it would mean that around 0.000000000001 ng of aluminum hydroxide in a vial of vaccine. That is simply biologically irrelevant. Even if the aluminum hydroxide was found, it’s level is so low, that the human body wouldn’t notice it. You breathe in more aluminum on a normal day than you would ever find in a vial of vaccine.

That might sound convincing to some, but encountering a foreign/toxic substance in the course of normal human living is not the equivalent of having it injected into your bloodstream and having it circulating within your body's systems. Toxins in the air, water, food, etc can be filtered by the body's natural defense systems. comparing that with injecting it is a false equivalency. 

 

[stbugs]

That might sound convincing to some, but encountering a foreign/toxic substance in the course of normal human living is not the equivalent of having it injected into your bloodstream and having it circulating within your body's systems. Toxins in the air, water, food, etc can be filtered by the body's natural defense systems. comparing that with injecting it is a false equivalency. 

Lol. Which page on the FB group did you copy this from? Vaccines aren’t injecting into your blood stream. If you don’t even understand the simplest things how can you possibly act like you are an expert on “toxins” and where your body filters them? Does you FB group think your skin is made of impermeable diamonds and there’s some sort of human Brita filter in your throat?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Sums up the whole thread.

 

[AAABatteries]

Since this is apparently not allowed to be discussed in the COVID vaccine thread.

International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination

Volume 4 Issue 1 January 23 2017

New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination

Antonietta M Gatti and Stefano Montanari

https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro--and-nanocontamination.html

“The analyses carried out show that in all samples checked vaccines contain non biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign bodies which are not declared by the Producers, against which the body reacts in any case. This new investigation represents a new quality control that can be adopted to assess the safety of a vaccine. Our hypothesis is that this contamination is unintentional, since it is probably due to polluted components or procedures of industrial processes (e.g. filtrations) used to produce vaccines…”

“The quantity of foreign bodies detected and, in some cases, their unusual chemical compositions baffled us. The inorganic particles identified are neither biocompatible nor biodegradable, that means that they are biopersistent and can induce effects that can become evident either immediately close to injection time or after a certain time from administration. It is important to remember that particles (crystals and not molecules) are bodies foreign to the organism and they behave as such. More in particular, their toxicity is in some respects different from that of the chemical elements composing them, adding to that toxicity…they induce an inflammatory reaction.”

“After being injected, those microparticles, nanoparticles and aggregates can stay around the injection site forming swellings and granulomas…But they can also be carried by the blood circulation, escaping any attempt to guess what will be their final destination…As happens with all foreign bodies, particularly that small, they induce an inflammatory reaction that is chronic because most of those particles cannot be degraded. Furthermore, the protein-corona effect…due to a nano-bio-interaction…can produce organic/inorganic composite particles capable of stimulating the immune system in an undesirable way…It is impossible not to add that particles the size often observed in vaccines can enter cell nuclei and interact with the DNA…”

“In some cases, e.g. as occurs with Iron and some Iron alloys, they can corrode and the corrosion products exert a toxicity affecting the tissues…”

“Given the contaminations we observed in all samples of human-use vaccines, adverse effects after the injection of those vaccines are possible and credible and have the character of randomness, since they depend on where the contaminants are carried by the blood circulation. It is only obvious that similar quantities of these foreign bodies can have a more serious impact on very small organisms like those of children. Their presence in the muscles…could heavily impair the muscle functionality…”

“We come across particles with chemical compositions, similar to those found in the vaccines we analyzed, when we study cases of environmental contamination caused by different pollution sources. In most circumstances, the combinations detected are very odd as they have no technical use, cannot be found in any material handbook and look like the result of the random formation occurring, for example, when waste is burnt. In any case, whatever their origin, they should not be present in any injectable medicament, let alone in vaccines, more in particular those meant for infants.”

Just to make sure I understand - you are against all vaccines and see them as (potentially) dangerous?  Do I have that correct?

 

[CrossEyed2]

Just to make sure I understand - you are against all vaccines and see them as (potentially) dangerous?  Do I have that correct?

I am not “against them”. If someone wants a vaccine, that’s between them and their doctor. I personally find them unnecessary and, like every other pharmaceutical product, potentially dangerous.  

 

[Chris B.]

I wish kept track of all the COVID deniers that died of COVID. I mean, COVID kills a lot of people, but conspiracy theories and misinformation is a primary contributing factor.

 

[stbugs]

I wish kept track of all the COVID deniers that died of COVID. I mean, COVID kills a lot of people, but conspiracy theories and misinformation is a primary contributing factor.

There’s been about 100k US deaths since April/May when the vaccines were widely available. Most of those likely would have been prevented if everyone got the shot and people like this weren’t falling for conspiracies like bacteria and viruses not transmitting diseases or getting people sick.

Also, here you go: https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

 

[CrossEyed2]

I wish kept track of all the COVID deniers that died of COVID. I mean, COVID kills a lot of people, but conspiracy theories and misinformation is a primary contributing factor.

Just remember, a lot of these folks had comorbidities, sometimes multiple comorbidities. Those folks died WITH COVID not OF COVID. But hey, that’s just me being a conspiracy theorist. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I am not “against them”. If someone wants a vaccine, that’s between them and their doctor. I personally find them unnecessary and, like every other pharmaceutical product, potentially dangerous.  

But you already have benefited from vaccines throughout your life, correct. So you are now taking a big stand against the seasonal flu shot and the COVID vaccine.  You still vaccinated your kids, but tried to alter the schedule, correct?  Or are they unvaccinated against polio etc.?

 

[gianmarco]

Just remember, a lot of these folks had comorbidities, sometimes multiple comorbidities. Those folks died WITH COVID not OF COVID. But hey, that’s just me being a conspiracy theorist. 

Wrong.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Just remember, a lot of these folks had comorbidities, sometimes multiple comorbidities. Those folks died WITH COVID not OF COVID. But hey, that’s just me being a conspiracy theorist. 

That is like saying someone died with AIDS, not from AIDS, because it was the pneumonia that stopped them from breathing.  Ridiculous.  

 

[Capella]

Crosseyes - is cancer real or is that a big pharma conspiracy also 

 

[Jayrod]

Just remember, a lot of these folks had comorbidities, sometimes multiple comorbidities. Those folks died WITH COVID not OF COVID. But hey, that’s just me being a conspiracy theorist. 

My friend Chris (45 y.o. father of 4) and my Uncle Mike would be alive today if it weren't for COVID and that is a fact no matter what you believe.

Chris had no known comorbidities and Mike was overweight and high blood pressure, just like his 94 yr old mother who is still alive and didn't get COVID because she was vaccinated.  Chris and Mike weren't vaccinated.

Those are facts.

 

[Dickies]

I'll ask again, would you accept a blood transfusion from an HIV-infected individual?

Provided the blood is free of toxins, I couldn’t care less what viruses are claimed to be there. And yes, i would also be in a room with a COVID patient without PPE. I already was when my father-in-law tested positive when he was hospitalized with pneumonia last fall. 

Pretty sure Crosseyed is an AIDS denier too, so you’re not gonna get anywhere with this. 

no way 

I stand a bit corrected, it's HIV he denies.

 

[gianmarco]

Crosseyes - is cancer real or is that a big pharma conspiracy also 

You don't die of cancer. You die with cancer. 

 

[stbugs]

Crosseyes - is cancer real or is that a big pharma conspiracy also 

This URL will help explain and probably terrify you:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/ 

It’s about a Facebook group that doesn’t believe in germs. It’s pretty well aligned with our guy’s theories and damn if it isn’t scary that this type of stuff has gained traction because of COVID. Most people used to laugh at nuts like these, now all of a sudden they are mainstream.

 

[jhib]

Since this is apparently not allowed to be discussed in the COVID vaccine thread.

International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination

Volume 4 Issue 1 January 23 2017

New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination

Antonietta M Gatti and Stefano Montanari

https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro--and-nanocontamination.html

“The analyses carried out show that in all samples checked vaccines contain non biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign bodies which are not declared by the Producers, against which the body reacts in any case. This new investigation represents a new quality control that can be adopted to assess the safety of a vaccine. Our hypothesis is that this contamination is unintentional, since it is probably due to polluted components or procedures of industrial processes (e.g. filtrations) used to produce vaccines…”

“The quantity of foreign bodies detected and, in some cases, their unusual chemical compositions baffled us. The inorganic particles identified are neither biocompatible nor biodegradable, that means that they are biopersistent and can induce effects that can become evident either immediately close to injection time or after a certain time from administration. It is important to remember that particles (crystals and not molecules) are bodies foreign to the organism and they behave as such. More in particular, their toxicity is in some respects different from that of the chemical elements composing them, adding to that toxicity…they induce an inflammatory reaction.”

“After being injected, those microparticles, nanoparticles and aggregates can stay around the injection site forming swellings and granulomas…But they can also be carried by the blood circulation, escaping any attempt to guess what will be their final destination…As happens with all foreign bodies, particularly that small, they induce an inflammatory reaction that is chronic because most of those particles cannot be degraded. Furthermore, the protein-corona effect…due to a nano-bio-interaction…can produce organic/inorganic composite particles capable of stimulating the immune system in an undesirable way…It is impossible not to add that particles the size often observed in vaccines can enter cell nuclei and interact with the DNA…”

“In some cases, e.g. as occurs with Iron and some Iron alloys, they can corrode and the corrosion products exert a toxicity affecting the tissues…”

“Given the contaminations we observed in all samples of human-use vaccines, adverse effects after the injection of those vaccines are possible and credible and have the character of randomness, since they depend on where the contaminants are carried by the blood circulation. It is only obvious that similar quantities of these foreign bodies can have a more serious impact on very small organisms like those of children. Their presence in the muscles…could heavily impair the muscle functionality…”

“We come across particles with chemical compositions, similar to those found in the vaccines we analyzed, when we study cases of environmental contamination caused by different pollution sources. In most circumstances, the combinations detected are very odd as they have no technical use, cannot be found in any material handbook and look like the result of the random formation occurring, for example, when waste is burnt. In any case, whatever their origin, they should not be present in any injectable medicament, let alone in vaccines, more in particular those meant for infants.”

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2017/02/02/antivaccinationists-try-to-show-vaccines-are-dirty-but-really-show-that-they-are-amazingly-free-from-contamination/

It is an article of faith among antivaxers that vaccines are “dirty” and “contaminated.” So when antivaccine “scientists” try to show how contaminated vaccines are and wind up actually showing how pure they are, I laugh.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Since this is apparently not allowed to be discussed in the COVID vaccine thread.

International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination

Volume 4 Issue 1 January 23 2017

New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination

Antonietta M Gatti and Stefano Montanari

https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro--and-nanocontamination.html

“The analyses carried out show that in all samples checked vaccines contain non biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign bodies which are not declared by the Producers, against which the body reacts in any case. This new investigation represents a new quality control that can be adopted to assess the safety of a vaccine. Our hypothesis is that this contamination is unintentional, since it is probably due to polluted components or procedures of industrial processes (e.g. filtrations) used to produce vaccines…”

“The quantity of foreign bodies detected and, in some cases, their unusual chemical compositions baffled us. The inorganic particles identified are neither biocompatible nor biodegradable, that means that they are biopersistent and can induce effects that can become evident either immediately close to injection time or after a certain time from administration. It is important to remember that particles (crystals and not molecules) are bodies foreign to the organism and they behave as such. More in particular, their toxicity is in some respects different from that of the chemical elements composing them, adding to that toxicity…they induce an inflammatory reaction.”

“After being injected, those microparticles, nanoparticles and aggregates can stay around the injection site forming swellings and granulomas…But they can also be carried by the blood circulation, escaping any attempt to guess what will be their final destination…As happens with all foreign bodies, particularly that small, they induce an inflammatory reaction that is chronic because most of those particles cannot be degraded. Furthermore, the protein-corona effect…due to a nano-bio-interaction…can produce organic/inorganic composite particles capable of stimulating the immune system in an undesirable way…It is impossible not to add that particles the size often observed in vaccines can enter cell nuclei and interact with the DNA…”

“In some cases, e.g. as occurs with Iron and some Iron alloys, they can corrode and the corrosion products exert a toxicity affecting the tissues…”

“Given the contaminations we observed in all samples of human-use vaccines, adverse effects after the injection of those vaccines are possible and credible and have the character of randomness, since they depend on where the contaminants are carried by the blood circulation. It is only obvious that similar quantities of these foreign bodies can have a more serious impact on very small organisms like those of children. Their presence in the muscles…could heavily impair the muscle functionality…”

“We come across particles with chemical compositions, similar to those found in the vaccines we analyzed, when we study cases of environmental contamination caused by different pollution sources. In most circumstances, the combinations detected are very odd as they have no technical use, cannot be found in any material handbook and look like the result of the random formation occurring, for example, when waste is burnt. In any case, whatever their origin, they should not be present in any injectable medicament, let alone in vaccines, more in particular those meant for infants.”

I don’t know anything about that journal or medcraveonline.com, but the wording of that article leads me to believe neither is reputable.

 

[jhib]

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2017/02/02/antivaccinationists-try-to-show-vaccines-are-dirty-but-really-show-that-they-are-amazingly-free-from-contamination/

Another:

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/another-anti-vaccine-article-bad-journal-bad-data/

Another anti-vaccine article – bad journal, bad data

Here we go again. An anti-vaccine article was published in a journal, and now every vaccine denier will use it as absolute “proof” that vaccines are evil, bad, and useless. And that means one of the pro-science community has to provide a critical analysis so that those on the fence know what is supported and not supported by real science.

The article, “New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination,” published in the International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination on 23 January 2017. I want to examine this from the meta level, discussing the quality of the journal, down to the actual data. Spoiler alert – it’s bad.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Just remember, a lot of these folks had comorbidities, sometimes multiple comorbidities. Those folks died WITH COVID not OF COVID. But hey, that’s just me being a conspiracy theorist. 

How often do you think people die without comorbidities, from any cause?

As background, over 70% of US adults are overweight or obese. Sixty percent of adults have a chronic disease, and 40% have two or more chronic medical conditions.

Death generally occurs in unhealthy people. This applies to COVID-19, and every other disease process. The only group for whom this doesn’t apply is children, whose leading causes of death are skewed by accidents.

 

[gianmarco]

Death generally occurs in unhealthy people everyone

FYP, GB

 

[BigJim®]

You say you are improved, but in all seriousness, you traded down. Big time. Give me a bible thumper over a pandemic/science conspiracy theorist all day long.

 

[CrossEyed2]

And people still put blind faith on this corrupt industry.

 

[Ron Popeil]

Crosseyes - is cancer real or is that a big pharma conspiracy also 

I read this post in the same voice I read @Studs & Duds

 

[CrossEyed2]

The Ted Talk from Dr Johnson

 

[joffer]

The main topic of discussion may have changed, but the OP hasn't changed at all.

still catching up, but this guy nailed it

 

[joffer]

It really was more about your apparent lack of humility.  You were very vocal and confrontational for years about something where you were completely wrong and we were completely right.  During that time period you never appeared to even consider the possibility that you were wrong.  When you realized you were wrong, I would have expected it to be a shock to your system.  “Hmmm, maybe I shouldn’t be quite so confident about my opinions given my track record.”

But now instead of coming here and saying “maybe I can learn from these people that were totally right when I was totally wrong before” you are acting, once again, like you are definitely right and we are definitely wrong.

:golfclap:

some kind of deep desire to be fortunate enough to be in the minority that have discovered revealed truth.

 

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And people still put blind faith on this corrupt industry.

@CrossEyed2 since you seem to have missed it in the other thread(s)...

Rated on a scale of 1 (absolutely uncertain)  to 10 (absolutely certain)

1) Three Years ago How Certain would you say you were that Science was wrong and Jesus was real?  

2) Today, How Certain would you say you are that Science was wrong and Jesus is real? 

Thanks