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AAABatteries said:
Do you have a particular interest in HIV/AIDS or was that just a jumping off point to not believing in germ theory?

Apologies if you answered this and I didn't see it.  I think you acknowledged before that people are getting sick and dying but you don't believe it is from Covid.  Did you ever say what you thought it was? 
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I think my initial interest in HIV/AIDS came when my wife’s uncle was diagnosed with AIDS and died fairly young. My wife also worked as a traveling nurse in CA for 6 months back in the early 90s and took care of a number of AIDS patients. The story just never added up for either of us. And I’m just a curious guy, so I started doing some reading. There are sometimes just random things which I find interesting and/or curious. 
 

As for what is making people sick, I’ve come to the understanding (currently) that there are primarily 4 things that cause illness…toxicity, stress, malnutrition, and injury. So, what is causing what is being labeled as COVID? Some combination of toxicity, stress, and lack of necessary nutrition. I don’t think it’s the same reason for every person. 

 
AAABatteries said:
I'll see what Crosseyed says but I guess my follow-up to "toxins" is why are we seeing very specific symptoms are a much higher rate - loss of smell/taste. 
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I have no clue, that’s their alternative to germ theory. The link to someone who researched those folks talked about how it started with the guys who were mad that Pasteur discovered what he did and recently people were drawn back to those theories. Again, it’s about finding that not majority thought and embracing it whether or not it’s quackery.

Oh, there it is right up there, one post up. Amazing. I know he won’t ever answer my question:

Is Magic Johnson still alive?

I mean the AIDS epidemic isn’t here anymore but hey, the meds and theories don’t work. SMH. 

 
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stbugs said:
Toxins. That’s the basis in their theory. A build up of toxins from not living well. Viruses and Bacteria is created by the body itself and don’t cause anything and medicines do nothing, gotta heal yourself. 
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Medicines heal. Most pharmaceutical products aren’t medicine. They are toxins that merely mask symptoms. 

 
CrossEyed2 said:
I think my initial interest in HIV/AIDS came when my wife’s uncle was diagnosed with AIDS and died fairly young. My wife also worked as a traveling nurse in CA for 6 months back in the early 90s and took care of a number of AIDS patients. The story just never added up for either of us. And I’m just a curious guy, so I started doing some reading. There are sometimes just random things which I find interesting and/or curious. 
 

As for what is making people sick, I’ve come to the understanding (currently) that there are primarily 4 things that cause illness…toxicity, stress, malnutrition, and injury. So, what is causing what is being labeled as COVID? Some combination of toxicity, stress, and lack of necessary nutrition. I don’t think it’s the same reason for every person. 
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Why are we seeing the specific symptom of loss of taste/smell if this is not a virus and is thus not contagious?  Are you saying that symptom is made up, over reported - there has to be some explanation, right?  I've only known a few people hospitalized with Covid and one death but I know many who lost their sense of smell and taste.  What do you think is causing that?

 
So no God.  

You then believe in evolution?

Pangaea?

Flat Earth?

Just trying to figure out which science you are ok with and which science you are not...

 
AAABatteries said:
Why are we seeing the specific symptom of loss of taste/smell if this is not a virus and is thus not contagious?  Are you saying that symptom is made up, over reported - there has to be some explanation, right?  I've only known a few people hospitalized with Covid and one death but I know many who lost their sense of smell and taste.  What do you think is causing that?
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I have no idea. But what makes a virus a better explanation for those symptoms than toxicity? 

 
It's a mistake to waste time arguing details about toxins and medicinal spirits and whatever else he's into now - Crosseyes has a literally infinite reserve of nonsense answers. He can make anything up to refute science, he's not bound to things like facts and reason. It's an unwinnable argument to try to nitpick the details of his new belief system.

The basic question everyone should be asking and Crosseyes has repeatedly refused to answer is: what lesson(s) did you learn from the decades you spent being certain that you were right about Jesus and everyone else was wrong now that you realize you were, in fact, completely wrong all along? And how do you apply those lessons to the "new and improved" version of yourself?

 
CrossEyed2 said:
I have no idea. But what makes a virus a better explanation for those symptoms than toxicity? 
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To my knowledge, toxicity isn't contagious, right?  It's just not explainable to me that we see families all getting sick and in some cases dying if it's toxicity.  Also, toxicity wouldn't explain a very specific symptom like loss of taste/smell.  I'm 47 years old - I'm not sure I've ever heard of someone or talked to someone who lost their sense of taste/smell for anything longer than a day or two.  I know a dozen people who lost it for a month or longer.  I don't see how toxicity explains that phenomenon.  Or stories we see where both parents died in the matter of weeks of each other with similar symptoms. 

 
AAABatteries said:
To my knowledge, toxicity isn't contagious, right?  It's just not explainable to me that we see families all getting sick and in some cases dying if it's toxicity.  Also, toxicity wouldn't explain a very specific symptom like loss of taste/smell.  I'm 47 years old - I'm not sure I've ever heard of someone or talked to someone who lost their sense of taste/smell for anything longer than a day or two.  I know a dozen people who lost it for a month or longer.  I don't see how toxicity explains that phenomenon.  Or stories we see where both parents died in the matter of weeks of each other with similar symptoms. 
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And I know numerous people who have tested positive for COVID and not a single one of them has lost taste or smell. Why would a virus affect people differently but toxicity wouldn’t? And the symptom list for COVID is extensive. They’ve lumped almost every symptom ever experienced with a cold or flu into COVID. Why so many different symptoms for different people if it’s all caused by the same new virus?

And why wouldn’t families and others who spend time in the same places, eating the same foods, drinking the same water, breathing the same air, etc. be susceptible to the same toxins? Then there’s also a phenomenon in nature called resonance. Why do women who all live together end up syncing their cycles? Do they “infect” one another? No, but there is communication that happens between living things that have an affect. It’s even been shown that plants, trees, animals, etc. have this communication going on.

As for toxins, some people can be exposed to toxins and their bodies are capable of removing those toxins without significant illness while others cannot. Everybody’s bodies are different in how they respond. One of body’s first responses is fever. I get fevers regularly. Not knock me on my ### fevers, but low grade fevers that typically last between 12 and 36 hours (give or take). My wife almost NEVER fevers. We’re all different. 

 
CrossEyed2 said:
Why so many different symptoms for different people if it’s all caused by the same new virus?

 

As for toxins, some people can be exposed to toxins and their bodies are capable of removing those toxins without significant illness while others cannot. Everybody’s bodies are different in how they respond. One of body’s first responses is fever. I get fevers regularly. Not knock me on my ### fevers, but low grade fevers that typically last between 12 and 36 hours (give or take). My wife almost NEVER fevers. We’re all different. 
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:lmao:  

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
It's a mistake to waste time arguing details about toxins and medicinal spirits and whatever else he's into now - Crosseyes has a literally infinite reserve of nonsense answers. He can make anything up to refute science, he's not bound to things like facts and reason. It's an unwinnable argument to try to nitpick the details of his new belief system.

The basic question everyone should be asking and Crosseyes has repeatedly refused to answer is: what lesson(s) did you learn from the decades you spent being certain that you were right about Jesus and everyone else was wrong now that you realize you were, in fact, completely wrong all along? And how do you apply those lessons to the "new and improved" version of yourself?
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take that to the bank brohan and take this thread to the political forum where disinformation belongs 

 
joffer said:
feeling a little toxic this morning
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I’m feeling kind of sad. People are willing to believe in “toxins” which have no actual details. It’s no different than having faith in a religion. It’s something they can’t see or measure and there’s no real definition of it but it must be more real than things that tons of scientists have studied and proven. SMH. They can misrepresent and misunderstand statements from one Doctor about Opiods and make it mean that no pharmaceutical products work (but some medicines do, easy to genericize) and one scientist and make it mean that viruses don’t do anything.

It really is scary the depths that some people will go to believe conspiracies. There has to be something that drives them to think they are the chosen/special people and only they know something. The problem is that all their research is fed to them and not “studied” in a lab, but somehow they eat that #### up because it makes them feel special.

 
CrossEyed2 said:
I think my initial interest in HIV/AIDS came when my wife’s uncle was diagnosed with AIDS and died fairly young. My wife also worked as a traveling nurse in CA for 6 months back in the early 90s and took care of a number of AIDS patients. The story just never added up for either of us. And I’m just a curious guy, so I started doing some reading. There are sometimes just random things which I find interesting and/or curious. 
 

As for what is making people sick, I’ve come to the understanding (currently) that there are primarily 4 things that cause illness…toxicity, stress, malnutrition, and injury. So, what is causing what is being labeled as COVID? Some combination of toxicity, stress, and lack of necessary nutrition. I don’t think it’s the same reason for every person. 
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Does the vaccine do something to alter peoples’ toxicity, stress, and/or nutrition?  If those are the things causing Covid symptoms, why do the vaccinated experience fewer/milder symptoms?

 
stbugs said:
I’m feeling kind of sad. People are willing to believe in “toxins” which have no actual details. It’s no different than having faith in a religion. It’s something they can’t see or measure and there’s no real definition of it but it must be more real than things that tons of scientists have studied and proven. SMH. They can misrepresent and misunderstand statements from one Doctor about Opiods and make it mean that no pharmaceutical products work (but some medicines do, easy to genericize) and one scientist and make it mean that viruses don’t do anything.

It really is scary the depths that some people will go to believe conspiracies. There has to be something that drives them to think they are the chosen/special people and only they know something. The problem is that all their research is fed to them and not “studied” in a lab, but somehow they eat that #### up because it makes them feel special.
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I’m fascinated by the conspiracy theory types. Ignorance, susceptible, narcissistic, blame others for their lot in life. To me they are the toxins and I avoid them like the plague. No time or energy to waste. Useless to even try to debate or reason. They’re not capable 

 
CrossEyed  is an interesting fellow.  I didn't agree with him on his religious views when he was all-in and I don't buy his theories on "toxins".   I am sorry that he is unvaccinated and I think he is putting himself and others at risk.   

That said, he is a good dude and I like him.

 
Godsbrother said:
CrossEyed  is an interesting fellow.  I didn't agree with him on his religious views when he was all-in and I don't buy his theories on "toxins".   I am sorry that he is unvaccinated and I think he is putting himself and others at risk.   

That said, he is a good dude and I like him.
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It’s a rare thing that people can disagree with one’s thoughts and ideas but still respect the person with whom they disagree. Thank you, sir.  :towelwave:  

 
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belljr said:
So no God.  

You then believe in evolution?

Pangaea?

Flat Earth?

Just trying to figure out which science you are ok with and which science you are not...
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This is one question I'm particularly interested in at the moment.  Crosseyed, IIRC (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you used to disagree with evolution and how it was taught primarily because you believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible.  The Bible said humans were formed this way so that's how it happened and the theory of evolution doesn't jibe with that.

With your change of attitude towards the Bible and religion, have your overall feelings about evolution changed since then? 

 
jhib said:
This is one question I'm particularly interested in at the moment.  Crosseyed, IIRC (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you used to disagree with evolution and how it was taught primarily because you believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible.  The Bible said humans were formed this way so that's how it happened and the theory of evolution doesn't jibe with that.

With your change of attitude towards the Bible and religion, have your overall feelings about evolution changed since then? 
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You are correct, I was a firm rejector of evolution.

I would consider myself an agnostic on the topic. I honestly haven't studied it enough on this side of my rejection of Christian teachings to have a firm opinion on the subject. Despite what many around here believe, I don't really have strong feeling about topics I haven't spent much time on.

 
jhib said:
This is one question I'm particularly interested in at the moment.  Crosseyed, IIRC (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you used to disagree with evolution and how it was taught primarily because you believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible.  The Bible said humans were formed this way so that's how it happened and the theory of evolution doesn't jibe with that.

With your change of attitude towards the Bible and religion, have your overall feelings about evolution changed since then? 
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He's only debunked the one religion so far. He now has to dive in and spend years studying each of the other ~4,000 religions to see if any of those are true.  

 
CrossEyed2 said:
I have no idea. But what makes a virus a better explanation for those symptoms than toxicity? 
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The pattern of spread through contacts of infected individuals, for one. Or are the toxins/nutrition deficiencies/stress contagious?
 

Finding SARS-CoV-2 genetic material in infected individuals also helps.

 
CrossEyed2 said:
I have no idea. But what makes a virus a better explanation for those symptoms than toxicity? 
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Wait, you don't think there's an actual coronavirus going around?

 
I’m. Just. So. Tired of blowhards who are so conceited that they think watching a YouTube video on the crapper gives them any sort of valid opinion over many smart people who’ve studied a specific expertise their entire lives. It’s such an epidemic.

“Know so much”, except the most obvious thing staring them in their face: derp derp derp.

 
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hey uh ...I was just curious ...

why did this psycho come back?  

when he was here - his purpose was to aggravate and push people out with crazy talk 

nothing has changed

until the internet I had no idea how many delusional people were out there

its scary

 
Terminalxylem said:
I’ve read some of the AIDS denial stuff - it’s pretty terrible and cost people their lives.
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I looked this book up on google, because your remarks made me curious. The wiki entry was enough to convince me it’s more pseudo-science bs and not worth reading.

I know it’s just the wili page, but they made the Duesburg guy seem outright maliciously deceptive, not just a crackpot. I didn’t realize he was the guy that started all the “virus transmission doesn’t meet Koch’s Postulates” nonsense.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
I looked this book up on google, because your remarks made me curious. The wiki entry was enough to convince me it’s more pseudo-science bs and not worth reading.

I know it’s just the wili page, but they made the Duesburg guy seem outright maliciously deceptive, not just a crackpot. I didn’t realize he was the guy that started all the “virus transmission doesn’t meet Koch’s Postulates” nonsense.
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Yeah, the whole concept is pretty gross, and it’s hard to attribute it solely to ignorance.

 
Being in the music business in the 80's/90's I knew a lot of folks that died of Aids. My best friend was Ritchie Kaczor. Ritchie was one of the greatest DJ's of that era. He was Studio 54's Resident DJ, The Palladium's original  DJ, Studio 54 Barcelona Spain's original DJ and many other clubs. Ritchie is most famous for "breaking" Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive." That song was a B side on a 45 but Ritchie loved it. He played it every night. When the top DJ in the country is pumping some obscure song, it's not long before all the other DJ's in the city follow suit as well as the local radio stations. Yes, Ritchie died of Aids. I am not as well versed in Crosseyed's medical school but from a first hand/close friend point of view my friend died from contracting aids from unprotected sex and/or intravenous  needles that weren't sterile.

 
Btw, I realize this was an anti Aids post from the OP, I have no idea how I got sucked into this other than 8 x Tito's & Club\

 
Penguin said:
Btw, I realize this was an anti Aids post from the OP, I have no idea how I got sucked into this other than 8 x Tito's & Club\
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Sorry about the loss of your friend. Ritchie sounds like he lived a full life in a short time. Have a Tito’s & tonic for me.

 
I know I'm doing just the opposite of this, but the best thing we could all do is let this thread fade away. It really doesn't deserve any validation by trying to engage in this quackery. It won't help anything nor get any good faith attempt to admit possibly being mistaken.

I won't be posting in this thread again and I'm sorry I even wasted any time to begin with.

 
Penguin said:
Being in the music business in the 80's/90's I knew a lot of folks that died of Aids. My best friend was Ritchie Kaczor. Ritchie was one of the greatest DJ's of that era. He was Studio 54's Resident DJ, The Palladium's original  DJ, Studio 54 Barcelona Spain's original DJ and many other clubs. Ritchie is most famous for "breaking" Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive." That song was a B side on a 45 but Ritchie loved it. He played it every night. When the top DJ in the country is pumping some obscure song, it's not long before all the other DJ's in the city follow suit as well as the local radio stations. Yes, Ritchie died of Aids. I am not as well versed in Crosseyed's medical school but from a first hand/close friend point of view my friend died from contracting aids from unprotected sex and/or intravenous  needles that weren't sterile.
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I never denied AIDS. Too many people skim things and miss the details. My contention isn’t that there wasn’t an AIDS crisis, it’s that it wasn’t caused by HIV. And yes, unprotected sex and drug use was absolutely a factor in that crisis. 
 

I’m sorry that you lost your friend. Death sucks, especially at a young age.
 

I think you’d find Duesberg’s book very interesting. He’s not an “AIDS denier”. He’s a scientist who believes that those in power abused that power and created a story about the source of AIDS and used that story to enrich themselves and others, and unnecessarily killed a lot of people along the way. 

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
The basic question everyone should be asking and Crosseyes has repeatedly refused to answer is: what lesson(s) did you learn from the decades you spent being certain that you were right about Jesus and everyone else was wrong now that you realize you were, in fact, completely wrong all along? And how do you apply those lessons to the "new and improved" version of yourself?
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My guess is he learned that long-standing institutions can lead people astray and can be corrupted intentionally or even unintentionally by those wanting power, money and influence.  He drew parallels with the medical community. He’s brought up the opioid crisis multiple times as an example.  It’s ironic, actually. He’s trying to warn people about misinformation but is actually spreading it.

 
what is your guys favorite car i like the old dodge chargers they were just fast looking take that to the bank brohans 

 
gianmarco said:
I know I'm doing just the opposite of this, but the best thing we could all do is let this thread fade away. It really doesn't deserve any validation by trying to engage in this quackery. It won't help anything nor get any good faith attempt to admit possibly being mistaken.

I won't be posting in this thread again and I'm sorry I even wasted any time to begin with.
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This was fishing with dynamite. You're doing a good thing by stopping your endeavor. It's futile and I don't think it's in good faith, as I've been saying all along.

 
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