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I need help losing weight and getting back in shape (2 Viewers)

Gussy skip the soup! Is it too late?
No it's not too late, she's still at a gf's house and hasn't came home, by the time she cooks it it will be 9PM. My guess is she isn't even making it at this point. Had a couple (like 4) pretzel crisps with hummus, not overly hungry. The pretzel crisps are zero fat and hardly any calories, but high sodium of course. May just drink a bunch of water to try to stay full at this point, hate eating this late.

 
Gussy skip the soup! Is it too late?
No it's not too late, she's still at a gf's house and hasn't came home, by the time she cooks it it will be 9PM. My guess is she isn't even making it at this point. Had a couple (like 4) pretzel crisps with hummus, not overly hungry. The pretzel crisps are zero fat and hardly any calories, but high sodium of course. May just drink a bunch of water to try to stay full at this point, hate eating this late.
Just go to bed. I definitely wouldn't eat this late if you blew it yesterday.

 
Seriously. 3000 calories is totally fine but if you do that, you gotta follow it up with a 1000-1200 cal day, then you have a neutral weekend.
a 1k day is a terrible idea.
Disagree. Nothing wrong with fasting.Another example of people in this thread being dogmatic for no reason. Why is 1k a "terrible" idea. Makes no sense.
quick google search gives hundreds of sources explaining why.
 
Seriously. 3000 calories is totally fine but if you do that, you gotta follow it up with a 1000-1200 cal day, then you have a neutral weekend.
a 1k day is a terrible idea.
Disagree. Nothing wrong with fasting.Another example of people in this thread being dogmatic for no reason. Why is 1k a "terrible" idea. Makes no sense.
quick google search gives hundreds of sources explaining why.
I could give you hundreds of sources explaining why it's fine.So you think fasting is a bad idea. Why?

 
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Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.

Edit: actually, I don't think any of my clients have been successful. I used to date a Pilates instructor that did it occasionally. Very disciplined, stubborn woman. Impossible to be around for a week or so before, during, and after. It worked for her if anyone that knows her just cut off any contact with her for ten days.

 
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Too busy watching this football game trying to figure out where the EFF Danny Amendolah is. Then I'll go to bed. Maybe. Depending on if I can find anything else to gamble on. I've got one late appointment tomorrow then I should pretty much be off until the new year. I hope.

 
so there is nothing wrong with fasting...its will power that people fail with.

study showed people eating one meal a day lost more fat than people eating multiple.

 
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Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.

There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.

There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
tell that to my two clients that had extended hospital stays that doctors determined were due to their decision to under eat.
 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.

There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
the only thing is ..its just kind of stupid...

might as well be disciplined ..and be consistently

would much rather eat 2000 calories every day instead of up and down..

unless you are on some type of amphetamine that curbs appetite.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
the only thing is ..its just kind of stupid...might as well be disciplined ..and be consistently

would much rather eat 2000 calories every day instead of up and down..

unless you are on some type of amphetamine that curbs appetite.
I agree it wouldn't work for me.

But the point is that it isn't dangerous, which was my only point. People have fasted for thousands of years. When you are fat you have an ample supply of energy. Eating 1000 calories a day after a pig out session is totally fine. Zero health concerns

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.

There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
the only thing is ..its just kind of stupid...might as well be disciplined ..and be consistently

would much rather eat 2000 calories every day instead of up and down..

unless you are on some type of amphetamine that curbs appetite.
yes, weight loss people need to create a new routine. They don't have one now. Consistency leads to success. The swings from fasting are difficult for the body to handle, which makes it more difficult for the weight loss client to handle mentally. This often leads to more bad decision making.
 
yeah I have never landed any client in the hospital..

the guy above..I am sure they had different reasons...doctors know nothing about diet...

overweight clients are certainly not malnourished.

might have had some micro nutrient deficiencies.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
tell that to my two clients that had extended hospital stays that doctors determined were due to their decision to under eat.
If you're hospitalized because you only ate a thousand calories that day, you have other issues.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
tell that to my two clients that had extended hospital stays that doctors determined were due to their decision to under eat.
If you're hospitalized because you only ate a thousand calories that day, you have other issues.
The two I cited are the extremes. Others have tried. Most of their stories are similar to the ones I read from you actually.
 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.

There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
Yes. I believe Otis tried this once.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
I think he should sew his mouth shut for 3 months.

 
Weekend Update

A)Where's baloney sandwich? (crickets/GBR)

Weekend went OK I think. Hardly ate anything yesterday for breakfast/lunch in anticipation of being bad all weekend. Had granola for breakfast, an apple, and then some pretzel thins with hummus. Went to an (overrated) restaurant we hadn't been to last night called Venue. Service was poor, but probably kept me from drinking more than I should have. Ordered up the dirty belvadere martini on the rocks. Started with crab cakes, 2 each, with a mustard aoli. I was more than ready for another drink, told my waitress that by the time she got back I'd be ready, then she went AWOL. Started to get pissed, nothing I hate more than a waitress that doesn't keep my drink full, especially if I'm dropping coin somewhere nice. Ordered the 30 day dry rubbed 12 oz ribeye, spent more for it than the regular aged 14 oz ribeye thinking it would be something special, it wasn't. Tasted like a ribeye I could get from the local meat market. At home I'd be happy with it, when I just paid more for something special, I wasn't. FINALLY got my 2nd martini, told my wife if she was good I'd probably be on my 4th by now and she promptly told me to quit complaining and ruining her birthday and to relax. Had the green beans almondine and rice as my sides, with a cup of a mushroom soup that they make. None of it was spectacular. We split a piece of NY cheesecake for desert and I had a decaf and baileys. The cheesecake tasted like lemon. Wasn't impressed with the restaurant, but the bad service probably kept me from drinking double what I normally would have. Went home, had birthday sex (calorie burner baby), got up really late this morning, went to a watering hole across the street from the Pinnacle called Longwells, had a bloody mary, I had 12 buffalo wings for lunch, no sides or anything, finished with a Breckenridge Vanilla Porter and then went to the game. Just had water at the game. Was pretty hungry for the way home, drove through McD's, ordered a filet of fish combo meal, got it, promptly dropped all of my fries on the floor of the car, weather was ####ty, raining and cold, had to throw all the fries away, had a filet of fish and a diet coke (first soda all week) and that was it. I know I went over, I haven't added things up, the #### waitress and my butter fingers saved me a bunch of vodka/french fry calories. Now back home, wife is making a homemade mushroom soup for dinner and that will be it. It's a beef broth based soup, shouldn't be terrible for me if I skip the crackers. Oh, and the Huskers beat Rhode Island (baloney sandwich)
No. The weekend did not go that well man. Sorry to break the news. Your not going to make real good strides to life change and better health having 12 wings and 14 ounce ribeye's, crab cakes, filet of fish with cheese and tarter. Alcohol will also not help.

Just being honest.

You really must commit. Otherwise your just going to go in circles. It's about what you want. Do you really want to change your lifestyle or not.

If your going to cheat...it's one meal...and even that needs to be sensible. No crab cakes, no drinks past just one cocktail. No appetizers. The Steak dinner with green beans and rice was enough. Then you have some cheese cake you split. That is a cheat. But adding in 12 wings, filet of fish, crab cakes..etc. Your not committing to real change. It's hard. But if you really want to get the body you want again and feel healthy that is what it takes. And you must exercise.....30 minutes a day. It's a must to get healthy and really make change permanent. A great 30 minute workout becomes a habit if you really commit to it and you won't want to eat like this.

Anyway.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.

Edit: actually, I don't think any of my clients have been successful. I used to date a Pilates instructor that did it occasionally. Very disciplined, stubborn woman. Impossible to be around for a week or so before, during, and after. It worked for her if anyone that knows her just cut off any contact with her for ten days.
I just don't eat until lunch, then after 8:00 the kitchen is closed. Not that hard. Not much discipline needed.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
Yes I think he should under eat as much as he can. Especially after he overeats.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
Yes I think he should under eat as much as he can. Especially after he overeats.
Given the bad habits displayed to this point, this could have dangerous consequences if sustained over several weeks/months. I have never seen this approach work over the long term, especially with someone with the dietary issues he started with. It's taken years of bad decisions to get to this point. In order to get healthy one needs to start making good ones. This approach doesn't necessarily encourage bad decisions, but it doesn't discourage them either; if anything it unintentionally enables them.

 
Weekend Update

A)Where's baloney sandwich? (crickets/GBR)

Weekend went OK I think. Hardly ate anything yesterday for breakfast/lunch in anticipation of being bad all weekend. Had granola for breakfast, an apple, and then some pretzel thins with hummus. Went to an (overrated) restaurant we hadn't been to last night called Venue. Service was poor, but probably kept me from drinking more than I should have. Ordered up the dirty belvadere martini on the rocks. Started with crab cakes, 2 each, with a mustard aoli. I was more than ready for another drink, told my waitress that by the time she got back I'd be ready, then she went AWOL. Started to get pissed, nothing I hate more than a waitress that doesn't keep my drink full, especially if I'm dropping coin somewhere nice. Ordered the 30 day dry rubbed 12 oz ribeye, spent more for it than the regular aged 14 oz ribeye thinking it would be something special, it wasn't. Tasted like a ribeye I could get from the local meat market. At home I'd be happy with it, when I just paid more for something special, I wasn't. FINALLY got my 2nd martini, told my wife if she was good I'd probably be on my 4th by now and she promptly told me to quit complaining and ruining her birthday and to relax. Had the green beans almondine and rice as my sides, with a cup of a mushroom soup that they make. None of it was spectacular. We split a piece of NY cheesecake for desert and I had a decaf and baileys. The cheesecake tasted like lemon. Wasn't impressed with the restaurant, but the bad service probably kept me from drinking double what I normally would have. Went home, had birthday sex (calorie burner baby), got up really late this morning, went to a watering hole across the street from the Pinnacle called Longwells, had a bloody mary, I had 12 buffalo wings for lunch, no sides or anything, finished with a Breckenridge Vanilla Porter and then went to the game. Just had water at the game. Was pretty hungry for the way home, drove through McD's, ordered a filet of fish combo meal, got it, promptly dropped all of my fries on the floor of the car, weather was ####ty, raining and cold, had to throw all the fries away, had a filet of fish and a diet coke (first soda all week) and that was it. I know I went over, I haven't added things up, the #### waitress and my butter fingers saved me a bunch of vodka/french fry calories. Now back home, wife is making a homemade mushroom soup for dinner and that will be it. It's a beef broth based soup, shouldn't be terrible for me if I skip the crackers. Oh, and the Huskers beat Rhode Island (baloney sandwich)
No. The weekend did not go that well man. Sorry to break the news. Your not going to make real good strides to life change and better health having 12 wings and 14 ounce ribeye's, crab cakes, filet of fish with cheese and tarter. Alcohol will also not help.

Just being honest.

You really must commit. Otherwise your just going to go in circles. It's about what you want. Do you really want to change your lifestyle or not.

If your going to cheat...it's one meal...and even that needs to be sensible. No crab cakes, no drinks past just one cocktail. No appetizers. The Steak dinner with green beans and rice was enough. Then you have some cheese cake you split. That is a cheat. But adding in 12 wings, filet of fish, crab cakes..etc. Your not committing to real change. It's hard. But if you really want to get the body you want again and feel healthy that is what it takes. And you must exercise.....30 minutes a day. It's a must to get healthy and really make change permanent. A great 30 minute workout becomes a habit if you really commit to it and you won't want to eat like this.

Anyway.
hah, last night I wrote similar responses a few times but deleted them before posting because they came off as sanctimonious and dickish. But you're right . . . . . Gussy, if you're about to have a full meal you're going to have to pass on the appetizers, extra sides, and desserts. The meal itself should be more than enough. Seriously.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.

Edit: actually, I don't think any of my clients have been successful. I used to date a Pilates instructor that did it occasionally. Very disciplined, stubborn woman. Impossible to be around for a week or so before, during, and after. It worked for her if anyone that knows her just cut off any contact with her for ten days.
I just don't eat until lunch, then after 8:00 the kitchen is closed. Not that hard. Not much discipline needed.
If only there was a successful diet that said you can eat whatever you want between the hours of 12 and 8. That would be awesome.

 
What does time have to do with anything...

You can basically eat whatever you want

Within your caloric intake and you'll lose weight.

You could eat pancakes every morning

Ice cream every night

2000 calories is 2000 calories which is below the caloric intake needed to maintain X amount of bodyweight

Means you will lose bodyweight/fat

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
Yes I think he should under eat as much as he can. Especially after he overeats.
Given the bad habits displayed to this point, this could have dangerous consequences if sustained over several weeks/months. I have never seen this approach work over the long term, especially with someone with the dietary issues he started with. It's taken years of bad decisions to get to this point. In order to get healthy one needs to start making good ones. This approach doesn't necessarily encourage bad decisions, but it doesn't discourage them either; if anything it unintentionally enables them.
You've never seen someone undereat and lose weight?

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.

Edit: actually, I don't think any of my clients have been successful. I used to date a Pilates instructor that did it occasionally. Very disciplined, stubborn woman. Impossible to be around for a week or so before, during, and after. It worked for her if anyone that knows her just cut off any contact with her for ten days.
I just don't eat until lunch, then after 8:00 the kitchen is closed. Not that hard. Not much discipline needed.
If only there was a successful diet that said you can eat whatever you want between the hours of 12 and 8. That would be awesome.
I doubt it. I could eat 3500 calories in 8 hours easy, and I'd start gaining weight like crazy if I did it. The "whatever you want" mantra in many diets sells books and is popular, but ultimately it's about the quantity, not the timing.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
Yes I think he should under eat as much as he can. Especially after he overeats.
Given the bad habits displayed to this point, this could have dangerous consequences if sustained over several weeks/months. I have never seen this approach work over the long term, especially with someone with the dietary issues he started with. It's taken years of bad decisions to get to this point. In order to get healthy one needs to start making good ones. This approach doesn't necessarily encourage bad decisions, but it doesn't discourage them either; if anything it unintentionally enables them.
You've never seen someone undereat and lose weight?
A male north of 250 semi-routinely consuming 1K calories in a day with a history similar to gussy? No, I've never seen a successful case. They've all regressed at some point. Obviously, some worse than others.

 
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This thread is a good example of one of the reasons why this country is so fat. First off, we eat too much and don't exercise. Secondly, if someone does want to do something about their weight/health, there's so much noise out there that it almost feels impossible to pick the "right" way to lose weight. Don't eat carbs, exercise like a madman, don't exercise at all, eat 6 meals a day, don't eat after 8pm, only eat between 12pm and 8pm, eat Paleo only, no sugar allowed, etc etc etc.

It's ridiculous. It's not complicated at all!!!! Eat what you want, when you want. If you take in fewer calories than you burn, You Will Lose Weight/Fat!! That's it. If you want to be able to eat more food, mix in a lot of low calorie foods like chicken and veggies. If you want to eat pizza and cake, you can't have a whole lot.

People who've lost weight and gained it back failed because it's way easier and funner to eat a lot and not move. This led to a caloric excess and made them fat. That's it.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.

Edit: actually, I don't think any of my clients have been successful. I used to date a Pilates instructor that did it occasionally. Very disciplined, stubborn woman. Impossible to be around for a week or so before, during, and after. It worked for her if anyone that knows her just cut off any contact with her for ten days.
I just don't eat until lunch, then after 8:00 the kitchen is closed. Not that hard. Not much discipline needed.
If only there was a successful diet that said you can eat whatever you want between the hours of 12 and 8. That would be awesome.
I doubt it. I could eat 3500 calories in 8 hours easy, and I'd start gaining weight like crazy if I did it. The "whatever you want" mantra in many diets sells books and is popular, but ultimately it's about the quantity, not the timing.
Yeah, I know. I was kidding. If the hours you eat were the only rules you needed to follow, everyone would be thin.

 
This thread is a good example of one of the reasons why this country is so fat. First off, we eat too much and don't exercise. Secondly, if someone does want to do something about their weight/health, there's so much noise out there that it almost feels impossible to pick the "right" way to lose weight. Don't eat carbs, exercise like a madman, don't exercise at all, eat 6 meals a day, don't eat after 8pm, only eat between 12pm and 8pm, eat Paleo only, no sugar allowed, etc etc etc.

It's ridiculous. It's not complicated at all!!!! Eat what you want, when you want. If you take in fewer calories than you burn, You Will Lose Weight/Fat!! That's it. If you want to be able to eat more food, mix in a lot of low calorie foods like chicken and veggies. If you want to eat pizza and cake, you can't have a whole lot.

People who've lost weight and gained it back failed because it's way easier and funner to eat a lot and not move. This led to a caloric excess and made them fat. That's it.
I totally agree. Once the light came on, I felt like it "exposed" 90% of the diets out there.

The problem is when you tell certain people that it's all about calories, they instantly assume you are advocating a diet of twinkies and pizza.

It's quite difficult to count calories and eat fast food/pizza. You are hungry all the time.

Some people hate the act of counting calories, and I get that. But ultimately that's what any diet does.

What really got me for a few years was all the diets that would claim you could eliminate one type of food (carbs for instance) and eat as much as you want of other types of food (protein/fat). The "as much as you want" sells books, but isn't true.

 
This thread is a good example of one of the reasons why this country is so fat. First off, we eat too much and don't exercise. Secondly, if someone does want to do something about their weight/health, there's so much noise out there that it almost feels impossible to pick the "right" way to lose weight. Don't eat carbs, exercise like a madman, don't exercise at all, eat 6 meals a day, don't eat after 8pm, only eat between 12pm and 8pm, eat Paleo only, no sugar allowed, etc etc etc.

It's ridiculous. It's not complicated at all!!!! Eat what you want, when you want. If you take in fewer calories than you burn, You Will Lose Weight/Fat!! That's it. If you want to be able to eat more food, mix in a lot of low calorie foods like chicken and veggies. If you want to eat pizza and cake, you can't have a whole lot.

People who've lost weight and gained it back failed because it's way easier and funner to eat a lot and not move. This led to a caloric excess and made them fat. That's it.
There's lots of ways to be successful. You just have to pick a sustainable method that works for you. I'm to the point in which I don't really pay attention to what I eat/drink unless I have a race coming up. If I wake up and don't like what I see, my clothes are a little snug, or my body fails me exercising then I am a little extra cautious for a couple-few days about what I consume. You're right, in a vacuum, it is not that hard. It is for someone over weight though. They're where they are because of a serious of bad decisions over an extended period of time. They need to cut some of those bad decisions out of their lifestyle in order to be successful. Which ones? Entirely depends on what that person values. Whichever one they choose it must be sustainable though.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
Yes I think he should under eat as much as he can. Especially after he overeats.
Given the bad habits displayed to this point, this could have dangerous consequences if sustained over several weeks/months. I have never seen this approach work over the long term, especially with someone with the dietary issues he started with. It's taken years of bad decisions to get to this point. In order to get healthy one needs to start making good ones. This approach doesn't necessarily encourage bad decisions, but it doesn't discourage them either; if anything it unintentionally enables them.
You've never seen someone undereat and lose weight?
A male north of 250 semi-routinely consuming 1K calories in a day with a history similar to gussy? No, I've never seen a successful case. They've all regressed at some point. Obviously, some worse than others.
To be fair, I didn't ask him to routinely do this. I said do it in response to a really bad cheat day one time. I think we all agree that he doesn't really need those cheat days. But when he does fall off the wagon, I personally think it's easier to try and "make up ground" by putting himself in a severe caloric deficit the next day. Heck, if he wants he can eat 1800 calories the next day and go burn 800 in the gym. Whatever. It's all the same.

But if you routinely cheat and then go back to a slow and steady 1700-1900 calorie diet, you are going to progress at a very slow rate, which is demoralizing in itself.

 
Both were heart related. They believed the constant massive swings in diet and exercise pushed them over the edge.
Well that's a bit different than what we were talking about.
Do you really think a guy that struggles making good decisions eating and currently has health issues should start significantly under eating days after over eating? This would be a terrible habit to start.
Yes I think he should under eat as much as he can. Especially after he overeats.
Given the bad habits displayed to this point, this could have dangerous consequences if sustained over several weeks/months. I have never seen this approach work over the long term, especially with someone with the dietary issues he started with. It's taken years of bad decisions to get to this point. In order to get healthy one needs to start making good ones. This approach doesn't necessarily encourage bad decisions, but it doesn't discourage them either; if anything it unintentionally enables them.
You've never seen someone undereat and lose weight?
A male north of 250 semi-routinely consuming 1K calories in a day with a history similar to gussy? No, I've never seen a successful case. They've all regressed at some point. Obviously, some worse than others.
To be fair, I didn't ask him to routinely do this. I said do it in response to a really bad cheat day one time. I think we all agree that he doesn't really need those cheat days. But when he does fall off the wagon, I personally think it's easier to try and "make up ground" by putting himself in a severe caloric deficit the next day. Heck, if he wants he can eat 1800 calories the next day and go burn 800 in the gym. Whatever. It's all the same.

But if you routinely cheat and then go back to a slow and steady 1700-1900 calorie diet, you are going to progress at a very slow rate, which is demoralizing in itself.
Based on what he's posted to date he's very susceptible to bad days. Planning is not a strong suit, neither is good decision making. If given an out for a bad day someone like him is likely to take advantage of it. Repeatedly.

Will a day of severely under eating cause any long term issues? No, of course not.

Do I expect someone with a history of poor planning/bad decisions re diet to only occasionally end up in this situation? No, of course not.

 
Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.
I don't think there are any health reasons. Eating 1000 calories in a day isn't dangerous.

There's a big diet plan from the UK called the 5-2 diet that incorporates two 600 calorie days. It's totally fine and there are no health reasons at all to worry with.
I did that for a few months and actually didn't mind it. Body felt pretty good, lost some weight, nice to get into a routine. But I'm about as disciplined as a monkey on speed these days. Need to get back into this one....after the holidays, of course. :)

 
Never had a weight problem, but if i did, I would think I would find it easier to burn more calories than consume fewer. I like to eat, and I eat a lot, but I eat healthy foods. I would have a tough time reducing that intake. However, I could easily go shoot some hoops twice a week, or go for a hike, or ride my bike farther, etc. :shrug:

Just a thought, but maybe try consuming similar amounts, but moving around a lot more.

 
Yeah guys great points.

It's actually pretty simple. Eat less (and eat right) and move more. It's a consistent message. But guys who are in their late 30's early 40's are so used to eating whatever they want, but they stopped moving years ago. So the pounds packed on, the fat deposits kept growing, the belly got large and here you are.

So if your going to have a meaningful weight loss program so you can get to a point that you can "maintain" a healthy weight, and have the body you really want.......

YOU MUST COMMIT TO A LIFE CHANGE!!!

You must re-train your body and retrain your eating habits. It's about developing a new routine to live every day going forward. If you don't like it....then don't do it. But don't expect meaningful change to your body, and mind. If you want to stand up and make a change for your well being you can do it.

It's about how committed you are and how bad do you really want it?

2000 calories a day is 2000 calories. No question.

But you have to eat the right 2000 calories so you are satisfied, healthy and not feeling hungry all day (and feeding your muscles and mind the right foods to burn fat and get stronger) because I firmly believe you must work out 30 minutes a day, 5-6 days a week to take this all the way. But a real effective non stop workout with cardio intervals, and a couple of workouts a week with only cardio (to rest your muscles you worked with light weights). Cardio and light dumbbell training is a God send. Circuit training changed my life. I am not a kid anymore. I don't get to play sports on a field and run around half the day 5 days a week. I need to get 30 minutes of intense kick ### exercise and I am done for the day.

It's so empowering knowing that in the morning after my 30 minutes of circuit training, I am done. And I feel great about it. My body craves it's workout in the morning as much as my breakfast. That is when you know it's working. And once you develop this mentality and life style you're not going to want to down 15 hot wings, or a greasy burger everyday. Because let's get real here. You got to this point eating like absolute crap almost everyday and your not exercising. Once you get your ### back into shape and work hard.....you're not going to want to throw it all away. Your going to maintain it. Your going to make the right choices. Your body will be so accustomed to it that when you do indulge you will not go crazy and truly enjoy an indulgent meal once in a while. Not every day. Not every week. But once a month having a splurge. It's OK once you change your life style and get to your goals. Maintaining is easy if you change your habits!

Our country is in serious trouble with obesity. It's a real disease.

Commit to change. If you can't, just carry on with the way you have been and stop torturing yourself by eating right for 3-4 days then blowing it all up in one sitting. You will get depressed. You will be all over the chart. You will drive yourself insane. If your OK with how you feel and look. So be it. No problem. It's your life.

I really am not trying to come off sanctimonious and on a high horse. But I went through a heavy period in my life. Nothing like obesity. But I did get 20 pounds overweight (after having my son), and developed love handles and a small gut. For me that was a big deal, but I nipped it in the butt.

However my brother in-law who is a great friend of mine, is flat out huge. I mean we are talking 5'9' and 275. Fat as a ****ing house. I am pleading with him to change. I am begging him to change. I want him to see his daughter grow up. I don't want to see him drop dead of a heart attack. He has a bad back, gout, high blood pressure. Just bad.

So my passion comes from me trying to help a member of my family (and of course I live this everyday myself and love how I feel). Otherwise he is going to drop dead one day....and it will kill his wife and daughter. He needs to make the change fast. He is also 45. Time to clean the plumbing, lose the weight and get into fighting shape.....for your health Gussy.

It's for your health!!!!]

Dive in. Get hardcore. Get pissed off you did this to yourself. It's your fault. Now sack the **ck up and get into fighting shape. Your muscles are still stronger than you think. You can start working out now (the PM I sent you has the right workout program for you)!!! And eat right!!!!

When your wife see's you doing this for a month...if she does not get inspired to make the same change I would be shocked. You can support each other. Do this together. Strength in numbers.

DO IT!!!!!!!!!

OK I am done preaching Gussy. I am just trying to be a birdie in your ear and motivate you. Because you need a swift kick in the ### before your heart tell's you you have reached your limit. Don't let it get to that.

 
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Health reasons aside, most with significant weight loss goals are usually not successful doing it anyway. Lack of discipline and poor planning is why they are in this situation in the first place. How are they going to be disciplined enough to successfully complete a fast? Most of my clients that have tried have failed. Some, massively.

Edit: actually, I don't think any of my clients have been successful. I used to date a Pilates instructor that did it occasionally. Very disciplined, stubborn woman. Impossible to be around for a week or so before, during, and after. It worked for her if anyone that knows her just cut off any contact with her for ten days.
I just don't eat until lunch, then after 8:00 the kitchen is closed. Not that hard. Not much discipline needed.
If only there was a successful diet that said you can eat whatever you want between the hours of 12 and 8. That would be awesome.
I doubt it. I could eat 3500 calories in 8 hours easy, and I'd start gaining weight like crazy if I did it. The "whatever you want" mantra in many diets sells books and is popular, but ultimately it's about the quantity, not the timing.
Don't be a ####### idiot and the weight falls off pretty easily. You still have to eat good food. But cutting out 8 hours of eat time during a day is pretty important. Heck most people have 500 calories in before lunch and eat another 500 after 8:00.

 

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