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I need help losing weight and getting back in shape (2 Viewers)
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mitchh1124
Footballguy
I'm not saying I'm anything specialBut that's a lame excuse the "I was under 30
Once."
The reason people gain as they get older is because they get more lazy.
Go to work
Sit in a chair
Go home
Eat
Sit on couch.
I think I've read studies where metabolism doesn't slow down as much as you think.
People just become less active.
And the reason I tell those people that
Is because they don't understand the amount of effort put in.
Making sure you eat X amount of calories everyday
Peaking for powerlifting -- adding weight to the bar every week.
You know how mentally exhausting that is to go from
One week 485 squat for 2
Next week 505 squat for 2
Etc
If your brain is not in it..you will fail
Lots of powerlifters get sick peaking too
Lowers immune system stressing it so much.
I'm not saying I'm a champ
My weight ( numbers ) suck
But I dislike the excuse when so much work/effort is put into the outcome.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
easy does it hanz and franz.
NutterButter
Footballguy
spreagle
Footballguy
Agree. People throw the word "metabolism" around like the Idiocracy morons threw around the word "electrolytes". People don't know what metabolism means. Metabolism is the rate of burning calories, and calories create body heat. If you have the same general body shape at age 50 as you did at age 30, it makes no sense for your metabolism to be lower at age 50. It's common sense, if you have a lower metabolism at age 50 and are burning less calories but have mostly the same body type as at age 30, then would mean that your core body temperature is less at age 50 than it was at age 30 which just isn't true. The core body temperature is always 98.6F.
But if you throw pounds of insulating layers of fat on top of that age 30 body then certainly your metabolism has to go down otherwise you will overheat due to being overinsulated. Fat is what makes metabolism go down, not age.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
Which is a strong correlation With laziness
fatness
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I have no idea what "burns calories only" means but certainly fat (in combination with other fuels) is burned while running. And certainly running can lead to a reduction of body fat and losing weight.mitchh1124 said:
mitchh1124
Footballguy
No running doesn't burn fat my man.
The only thing that burns fat is muscle and organs.( these items need energy to function)
Running burns calories only.
Lifting weights creates muscle that burns fat
That is why the more muscular one looks the less fat they have
LBM goes up
Bodyfat goes down
The only thing that burns fat is muscle and organs.( these items need energy to function)
Running burns calories only.
Lifting weights creates muscle that burns fat
That is why the more muscular one looks the less fat they have
LBM goes up
Bodyfat goes down
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
mitchh1124
Footballguy
If you think running works the leg muscles as much as squats etc
Completly different muscle fibers
Completly different muscle fibers
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I didn't compare running to squats. I'm disputing your false claim that running can't burn fat.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
its not a false claim...its well known that running simply burns calories.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
mitchh1124
Footballguy
I have explained it multiple times.
Cardio increases your TDEE
A calorie deficit is the thing that burns fat
To achieve deficit you can either have a good diet and not eat a 300 calorie snickers bar
Or you can do cardio and burn 300 calories and eat the snickers bar.
Cardio DOES NOT burn fat period.
Do cardio and eat 5000 calories
You will get fat
Why?
Because you are taking in more calories that your body needs.
Simply, calories in vs calories out. Is the difference between gaining and losing.
There are 3500 calories in a lb of fat.
You would have to do cardio for 3500 calories to burn fat..which is still a result of a deficit caloric intake.
Cardio burns calories and once you stop it stopped.
Weight lifting continues to burn calories days after the workout. Why? Because it takes energy ( calories ) to repair damaged muscle after a workout to make it bigger and stronger.
I can go into the gym and see people doing cardio who still look the same as they did 2 years ago.
The people who lift weights change dramatically.
Cardio increases your TDEE
A calorie deficit is the thing that burns fat
To achieve deficit you can either have a good diet and not eat a 300 calorie snickers bar
Or you can do cardio and burn 300 calories and eat the snickers bar.
Cardio DOES NOT burn fat period.
Do cardio and eat 5000 calories
You will get fat
Why?
Because you are taking in more calories that your body needs.
Simply, calories in vs calories out. Is the difference between gaining and losing.
There are 3500 calories in a lb of fat.
You would have to do cardio for 3500 calories to burn fat..which is still a result of a deficit caloric intake.
Cardio burns calories and once you stop it stopped.
Weight lifting continues to burn calories days after the workout. Why? Because it takes energy ( calories ) to repair damaged muscle after a workout to make it bigger and stronger.
I can go into the gym and see people doing cardio who still look the same as they did 2 years ago.
The people who lift weights change dramatically.
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NutterButter
Footballguy
I need to understand this a bit. If I run and burn calories and wind up taking in less calories than I consume for the day b/c some of those calories were burned while running, won't I lose fat?
James Daulton
Footballguy
As mitch noted in his last post, he's just using semantics when saying running doesn't burn fat. He likely meant that it doesn't burn fat as effectively as resistance training. He's mentioned all along that it's only a caloric deficit that will ultimately reduce fat. That caloric deficit can be derived from dieting, running, weight training, some combination, whatever.
spreagle
Footballguy
Here is what I know about powerlifters from my gym. They don't like to run because they aren't good at it. And it takes a little away from their max lifts. So they make up excuses why they shouldn't run. tHe normal guy not looking to set records should run a little bit to have an alternate way of burning calories, rather than relying solely on lifting. You know, diversify the calorie burning. A lot of the guys who quit lifting soon look awful.
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mitchh1124
Footballguy
yes you will lose fat...but my whole point was cardio BURNS calories.
as long as you stay in a deficit--whether you run or not
you will lose fat.
example
Person A needs 2000 calories a day
Person B needs 2000 calories
Person A runs and burns 1000 calories a day and consumes 2500 total calories
Person B does not run and just eats 2000 calories a day along with weight lifting. ( burns 500 calories per workout )
Person A has a net caloric intake of 1500 calories.
Person B has a net caloric intake of 1500 calories
mitchh1124
Footballguy
it has nothing to do with being good or making excuses.
Just like a soccer player is not going to learn how to tackle someone like a football player...
bodybuilders do cardio during competition time..but mostly LISS..To burn some extra calories
Quite a few powerlifters also walk as well. but looks are not as important as in bodybuilding
Plenty of power lifters who look great..
dont listen to fat guys who use it as an excuse to be a fat man..lol
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
To me, he seems to be going past that. He's stated that the body cannot use fat as fuel (thus "burning fat") when running. This simply isn't true. In fact, serious distance runners specifically train to most optimally use fat for fuel in races. I've read article after article about this. Here's an example.
It's really a minor point so I won't clutter up the thread any longer with this argument.
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NutterButter
Footballguy
Ok, just checking. Continue over-complicating the #### out of something which is pretty straight forward. Just kidding.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
I think you are confusing burning stored fat ( which needs a caloric deficit) vs using ingest fats as fuel for workouts and such.
They are not using stored bodyfat as fuel...they are ingesting fat to use as fuel.
They are not using stored bodyfat as fuel...they are ingesting fat to use as fuel.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
No, simple carbs are ingested during races. (Example, Gatorade). I've never heard of runners taking lard packets!
NutterButter
Footballguy
Competitive amateur runners and cyclists hardly have any fat to burn to begin with.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
From a book I have...
"Even if you're a gaunt marathoner, your body has a large stockpile of energy in the form of fat. A 140 lbs. runner with a body-fat level of 6% still carries around 8.4 lbs. of fat. Each pound of fat supplies 3,500 calories of energy, so this individual has more than 29,000 calories stored as fat."
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Mmmmm...lard packets.
gussy
Footballguy
Weekend Update
A)Where's baloney sandwich? (crickets/GBR)
Weekend went OK I think. Hardly ate anything yesterday for breakfast/lunch in anticipation of being bad all weekend. Had granola for breakfast, an apple, and then some pretzel thins with hummus. Went to an (overrated) restaurant we hadn't been to last night called Venue. Service was poor, but probably kept me from drinking more than I should have. Ordered up the dirty belvadere martini on the rocks. Started with crab cakes, 2 each, with a mustard aoli. I was more than ready for another drink, told my waitress that by the time she got back I'd be ready, then she went AWOL. Started to get pissed, nothing I hate more than a waitress that doesn't keep my drink full, especially if I'm dropping coin somewhere nice. Ordered the 30 day dry rubbed 12 oz ribeye, spent more for it than the regular aged 14 oz ribeye thinking it would be something special, it wasn't. Tasted like a ribeye I could get from the local meat market. At home I'd be happy with it, when I just paid more for something special, I wasn't. FINALLY got my 2nd martini, told my wife if she was good I'd probably be on my 4th by now and she promptly told me to quit complaining and ruining her birthday and to relax. Had the green beans almondine and rice as my sides, with a cup of a mushroom soup that they make. None of it was spectacular. We split a piece of NY cheesecake for desert and I had a decaf and baileys. The cheesecake tasted like lemon. Wasn't impressed with the restaurant, but the bad service probably kept me from drinking double what I normally would have. Went home, had birthday sex (calorie burner baby), got up really late this morning, went to a watering hole across the street from the Pinnacle called Longwells, had a bloody mary, I had 12 buffalo wings for lunch, no sides or anything, finished with a Breckenridge Vanilla Porter and then went to the game. Just had water at the game. Was pretty hungry for the way home, drove through McD's, ordered a filet of fish combo meal, got it, promptly dropped all of my fries on the floor of the car, weather was ####ty, raining and cold, had to throw all the fries away, had a filet of fish and a diet coke (first soda all week) and that was it. I know I went over, I haven't added things up, the #### waitress and my butter fingers saved me a bunch of vodka/french fry calories. Now back home, wife is making a homemade mushroom soup for dinner and that will be it. It's a beef broth based soup, shouldn't be terrible for me if I skip the crackers. Oh, and the Huskers beat Rhode Island (baloney sandwich)
A)Where's baloney sandwich? (crickets/GBR)
Weekend went OK I think. Hardly ate anything yesterday for breakfast/lunch in anticipation of being bad all weekend. Had granola for breakfast, an apple, and then some pretzel thins with hummus. Went to an (overrated) restaurant we hadn't been to last night called Venue. Service was poor, but probably kept me from drinking more than I should have. Ordered up the dirty belvadere martini on the rocks. Started with crab cakes, 2 each, with a mustard aoli. I was more than ready for another drink, told my waitress that by the time she got back I'd be ready, then she went AWOL. Started to get pissed, nothing I hate more than a waitress that doesn't keep my drink full, especially if I'm dropping coin somewhere nice. Ordered the 30 day dry rubbed 12 oz ribeye, spent more for it than the regular aged 14 oz ribeye thinking it would be something special, it wasn't. Tasted like a ribeye I could get from the local meat market. At home I'd be happy with it, when I just paid more for something special, I wasn't. FINALLY got my 2nd martini, told my wife if she was good I'd probably be on my 4th by now and she promptly told me to quit complaining and ruining her birthday and to relax. Had the green beans almondine and rice as my sides, with a cup of a mushroom soup that they make. None of it was spectacular. We split a piece of NY cheesecake for desert and I had a decaf and baileys. The cheesecake tasted like lemon. Wasn't impressed with the restaurant, but the bad service probably kept me from drinking double what I normally would have. Went home, had birthday sex (calorie burner baby), got up really late this morning, went to a watering hole across the street from the Pinnacle called Longwells, had a bloody mary, I had 12 buffalo wings for lunch, no sides or anything, finished with a Breckenridge Vanilla Porter and then went to the game. Just had water at the game. Was pretty hungry for the way home, drove through McD's, ordered a filet of fish combo meal, got it, promptly dropped all of my fries on the floor of the car, weather was ####ty, raining and cold, had to throw all the fries away, had a filet of fish and a diet coke (first soda all week) and that was it. I know I went over, I haven't added things up, the #### waitress and my butter fingers saved me a bunch of vodka/french fry calories. Now back home, wife is making a homemade mushroom soup for dinner and that will be it. It's a beef broth based soup, shouldn't be terrible for me if I skip the crackers. Oh, and the Huskers beat Rhode Island (baloney sandwich)
NutterButter
Footballguy
I guess the point i was making is that for me personally, I'm very close to the body fat level I want to be at as I would imagine are most serious runners and cyclists. So when I go for a ride, I don't care about burning any of that fat.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
Today is Day 6.
Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you gussy, just been with my family a lot lately as my grandfather had some surgery to remove cancer.
Man, sitting around a hospital is hard on a diet, I had to find reasons not to snack on something. But I managed "downtime" Thursday and Friday with a couple pieces of fruit and a couple chips every now and then (chips, not bags). Combine that with salads from the cafeteria and I came in under on my calories for both days.
Yesterday was back to normal, sticking to a plan with a goal in mind. Today we continue pursuit of a healthier me. I've had chicken breast and pork chop yesterday and today respectively. Having a bit of pizza for dinner, calories still in check.
We're gonna make it.
Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you gussy, just been with my family a lot lately as my grandfather had some surgery to remove cancer.
Man, sitting around a hospital is hard on a diet, I had to find reasons not to snack on something. But I managed "downtime" Thursday and Friday with a couple pieces of fruit and a couple chips every now and then (chips, not bags). Combine that with salads from the cafeteria and I came in under on my calories for both days.
Yesterday was back to normal, sticking to a plan with a goal in mind. Today we continue pursuit of a healthier me. I've had chicken breast and pork chop yesterday and today respectively. Having a bit of pizza for dinner, calories still in check.
We're gonna make it.
Otis
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Gussy-
PM me your address, I owe you a week's worth of McDonald's gift certificates. What is that for you, $125?
Baloney Sandwich
PM me your address, I owe you a week's worth of McDonald's gift certificates. What is that for you, $125?
Baloney Sandwich
gussy
Footballguy
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
gussy
Footballguy
You guys all kill me, lol. I go out of town for a weekend and you expect sainthood. Steak/beans/rice, 2 vodka's, HALF a dessert, couple of drinks on a Saturday, wings, which are better for me than about everything else on the menu, and then the sandwich with the lowest caloric intake on the McD's menu. Jeebus Christ. Believe me, a normal night at that restaurant would NOT have been 2 vodka's OR half a dessert. And it probably would have been the burger with pulled pork on top, fries, and WAY more than 2 drinks before the game.
I'll make it, lol.
I'll make it, lol.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Gussy - you're doing fine. The fact that you're planning a meal and thinking about what you're eating is the answer.
[insert something here] speed.
NutterButter
Footballguy
You'll get there Gussy. It might take you 100 years, but you'll get there.
NutterButter
Footballguy
This diet is really smothering your sense of humor. I'm not sure I like the new gussy.Yes. I'm sure if I have cheat days on birthdays and through the holidays it will probably take 100 years.
MAC_32
Footballguy
a 1k day is a terrible idea.
NutterButter
Footballguy
The last time I ate only 1K calories in a day, I believe I was 6.
shader
Footballguy
Disagree. Nothing wrong with fasting.Another example of people in this thread being dogmatic for no reason. Why is 1k a "terrible" idea. Makes no sense.
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