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Who cares what proof your cinnamon flavored whiskey is? Particularly if you're going to throw it in Sprite?

I was probably being a judgmental ####### last night, so I don't want to crap on what people enjoy. Hell, I'll have a bourbon and ginger now and again. But I don't particularly care what bourbon I use for it (other than the bourbon being cheap).
That's what I use McAfee's Benchmark or Evan Williams for. Bourbon & Ginger is probably my favorite of all the garden variety well drinks - it's pretty much my go-to if I'm somewhere that offers free or cheap wells. That or a gin & tonic.

 
Who cares what proof your cinnamon flavored whiskey is? Particularly if you're going to throw it in Sprite?

I was probably being a judgmental ####### last night, so I don't want to crap on what people enjoy. Hell, I'll have a bourbon and ginger now and again. But I don't particularly care what bourbon I use for it (other than the bourbon being cheap).
I've never had any of the cinnamon whiskey stuff, and I don't mix whiskey very often.

But if I were were to get some cinnamon crap to mix, I'd think the proof would matter very much. If you're going to dilute the whiskey even more than it already is, it makes sense to have a less diluted product to begin with.

For an old-fashioned, I prefer Evan Williams BIB, OGDBIB, or FC103, as they can stand to diluting a little better. (I'm sure RittBIB would be perfect for this, but I can get it around here).

 
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Who cares what proof your cinnamon flavored whiskey is? Particularly if you're going to throw it in Sprite?

I was probably being a judgmental ####### last night, so I don't want to crap on what people enjoy. Hell, I'll have a bourbon and ginger now and again. But I don't particularly care what bourbon I use for it (other than the bourbon being cheap).
I've never had any of the cinnamon whiskey stuff, and I don't mix whiskey very often.

But if I were were to get some cinnamon crap to mix, I'd think the proof would matter very much. If you're going to dilute the whiskey even more than it already is, it makes sense to have a less diluted product to begin with.

For an old-fashioned, I prefer Evan Williams BIB, OGDBIB, or FC103, as they can stand to diluting a little better. (I'm sure RittBIB would be perfect for this, but I can get it around here).
What I'm trying to say is that is that at that point of dilution, the character of the whiskey is pretty much irrelevant. Now, I actually don't think alcohol content really tells me all that much about a whiskey's character. RIttenhouse BiB performs like Old Overholt for me in Manhattans, despite the difference in alcohol content. They both have very assertive rye characteristics that make them good matches for a more robust and flavorful vermouth like Carpana Antica (while I usually pair Whistlepig, which is excellent in its own way, with something less assertive like Dolin rouge).

But, even if you disagree with that, the difference between the dilution in even a classic cocktail (like an Old Fashioned where the only thing diluting the whiskey would be ice or maybe 1/2 oz of simple syrup if you're lazy like me) and something like a bourbon and ginger or whiskey and coke is huge. In a Fireball and Sprite, we're talking at least 5 ounces of Sprite. And the whiskey is already flavored. The whiskey characteristics are pretty much the last thing someone ordering that drink is concerned about, IMO.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
You can use both. My favorite is Ginger Ale and Old Grand Dad BiB.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
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Who cares what proof your cinnamon flavored whiskey is? Particularly if you're going to throw it in Sprite?

I was probably being a judgmental ####### last night, so I don't want to crap on what people enjoy. Hell, I'll have a bourbon and ginger now and again. But I don't particularly care what bourbon I use for it (other than the bourbon being cheap).
I've never had any of the cinnamon whiskey stuff, and I don't mix whiskey very often.

But if I were were to get some cinnamon crap to mix, I'd think the proof would matter very much. If you're going to dilute the whiskey even more than it already is, it makes sense to have a less diluted product to begin with.

For an old-fashioned, I prefer Evan Williams BIB, OGDBIB, or FC103, as they can stand to diluting a little better. (I'm sure RittBIB would be perfect for this, but I can get it around here).
What I'm trying to say is that is that at that point of dilution, the character of the whiskey is pretty much irrelevant. Now, I actually don't think alcohol content really tells me all that much about a whiskey's character. RIttenhouse BiB performs like Old Overholt for me in Manhattans, despite the difference in alcohol content. They both have very assertive rye characteristics that make them good matches for a more robust and flavorful vermouth like Carpana Antica (while I usually pair Whistlepig, which is excellent in its own way, with something less assertive like Dolin rouge).

But, even if you disagree with that, the difference between the dilution in even a classic cocktail (like an Old Fashioned where the only thing diluting the whiskey would be ice or maybe 1/2 oz of simple syrup if you're lazy like me) and something like a bourbon and ginger or whiskey and coke is huge. In a Fireball and Sprite, we're talking at least 5 ounces of Sprite. And the whiskey is already flavored. The whiskey characteristics are pretty much the last thing someone ordering that drink is concerned about, IMO.
I can't argue with any of that. When I say I make the occasional Old-Fashioned, I mean I have about 3-4 a year. I assume higher proof stuff works better, but haven't experimented enough to know.

Mainly, I use that because I don't keep lower proof whiskey in the house.

If the wife ever makes me pick up a bottle of cinnamon whiskey product, it'd almost certainly be Cinnerator that I reach for though. Same price, much higher proof, and I'm sure it tastes just as ####ty as the other stuff.

 
To be defined as a true whiskey, it needs to be 80-100 proof. Fireball is only 66.

Still enjoy it occasionally.
Actually the definition is an alcoholic distillate from a fermented mash of grain, produced at less than 190 proof, stored in oak containers, except that corn whiskey need ot be, and bottled at not less than 80 proof and also include mixtures of such distillates for which nospecific standards of identity are prescribed
 
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When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink. I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
Old Fashioneds and Manhattans are about the only 2 cocktails I really enjoy. They are simple and delicious. I'm not into all this cinnamon crap.

 
I ventured even further down the shelf than I normally shop (which is fairly low) to pick up some Ancient Ancient Age 10 Star. Not to be confused with AAA 10 Year. This is the stuff people buy because they thought they were buying 10 year, which isn't available outside of KY, if at all anymore. I think BT has all but discontinued it. Presumably to use that juice to help keep the bottles of ETL and Blanton's flowing. Makes more sense than putting it in a bottle with a terrible, unmarketable name.

Anyway, AAA10 Star isn't too bad. A nice nose. It's got a little rye spice, some oak, and some nice corny sweetness that's not too sweet or cloying. In fact, it's a pretty great drink until you get to the finish. The finish is pretty bitter. I don't mind so much, and it gets better as you drink it, but it certainly keeps it from being a truly fantastic bourbon.

But at $12.50 for a L, it's not bad at all. On par with EWB. A little cheaper, and at a higher proof (90). It's a keeper. I'm sure it's nice mixed too.

I'm hesitant because of the proof, but I'd like to try this alongside BT's other well-booze, Benchmark. I assume Benchmark is where they dump all the BT1 mashbill (low rye) that's not fit for BT or ER10, and the AAA10 is where they dump all the BT2 mashbill (high rye) that's not fit for ETL.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
Try making my grandmother an Old Fashioned without muddling the fruit. She'll snatch up your nuts and use 'em like dice.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink. I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
I did Manhattans on Saturday night when we had some neighbors over for drinks and dinner. Great cocktail, but I learned a painful lesson. Starting your night off with six shots of rye can end badly. At least I had lots of good televised sports yesterday to see me through the hangover. Wife and kids are disappointed with dad once again.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
I did Manhattans on Saturday night when we had some neighbors over for drinks and dinner. Great cocktail, but I learned a painful lesson. Starting your night off with six shots of rye can end badly. At least I had lots of good televised sports yesterday to see me through the hangover. Wife and kids are disappointed with dad once again.
Yeah, Manhattans have been banned in my house since Christmas '10 :bag: :oldunsure:

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
I did Manhattans on Saturday night when we had some neighbors over for drinks and dinner. Great cocktail, but I learned a painful lesson. Starting your night off with six shots of rye can end badly. At least I had lots of good televised sports yesterday to see me through the hangover. Wife and kids are disappointed with dad once again.
Yes. Rye, like gin, can cause a murderous hangover. Hydrate accordingly. But, hey, practice makes perfect.

Picked up High West's Barrelled Boulevardier Cocktail this evening. Just chilling my glass. Almost a little ashamed to be this lazy. Almost.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
Try making my grandmother an Old Fashioned without muddling the fruit. She'll snatch up your nuts and use 'em like dice.
Proponents of "Old Old Fashioneds" just go for the sugar, whiskey, and bitters. No fruit at all. Quite delicious. Zilla, scorchy and Fatguy can attest to what happens when I down several of them throughout the course of an evening (hint, it's not good for parking garage gates).

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
Try making my grandmother an Old Fashioned without muddling the fruit. She'll snatch up your nuts and use 'em like dice.
Proponents of "Old Old Fashioneds" just go for the sugar, whiskey, and bitters. No fruit at all. Quite delicious. Zilla, scorchy and Fatguy can attest to what happens when I down several of them throughout the course of an evening (hint, it's not good for parking garage gates).
Thank you. The Old Fashioned was originally the Old Fashioned Whiskey Cocktail. No fruit. It was a morning after drink. A hair of the dog if you will

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
Try making my grandmother an Old Fashioned without muddling the fruit. She'll snatch up your nuts and use 'em like dice.
Proponents of "Old Old Fashioneds" just go for the sugar, whiskey, and bitters. No fruit at all. Quite delicious. Zilla, scorchy and Fatguy can attest to what happens when I down several of them throughout the course of an evening (hint, it's not good for parking garage gates).
Thank you. The Old Fashioned was originally the Old Fashioned Whiskey Cocktail. No fruit. It was a morning after drink. A hair of the dog if you will
To be clear, I do love some muddled fruit. I'm a girly man that way. But I can enjoy the cocktail both ways. I'm bi-curious.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
I did Manhattans on Saturday night when we had some neighbors over for drinks and dinner. Great cocktail, but I learned a painful lesson. Starting your night off with six shots of rye can end badly. At least I had lots of good televised sports yesterday to see me through the hangover. Wife and kids are disappointed with dad once again.
Picked up High West's Barrelled Boulevardier Cocktail this evening. Just chilling my glass. Almost a little ashamed to be this lazy. Almost.
Update: Delicious. I'm not sure it's worth the price, even considering that I wouldn't buy Campari for any other reason (maybe a very occasional Negroni), but it's better than my own attempts at the cocktail. Just enough bitterness.

 
When you guys talk about bourbon and ginger, is that ginger beer? We did Moscow mules for our last dinner party and have a few leftover ginger beers. I usually drink whiskey neat but would like to start trying some cocktails.
Not typically. Just Schwepps or something. It's not really a cocktail so much as a mixed drink.

I'm biased but I think the Manhattan is the best starter whiskey cocktail. It's easy to make and there are endless variations.

Or Old Fashioneds. You don't even need to muddle fruit.
Try making my grandmother an Old Fashioned without muddling the fruit. She'll snatch up your nuts and use 'em like dice.
Proponents of "Old Old Fashioneds" just go for the sugar, whiskey, and bitters. No fruit at all. Quite delicious. Zilla, scorchy and Fatguy can attest to what happens when I down several of them throughout the course of an evening (hint, it's not good for parking garage gates).
Thank you. The Old Fashioned was originally the Old Fashioned Whiskey Cocktail. No fruit. It was a morning after drink. A hair of the dog if you will
To be clear, I do love some muddled fruit. I'm a girly man that way. But I can enjoy the cocktail both ways. I'm bi-curious.
The Great Old-Fashioned Debate

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/magazine/the-great-old-fashioned-debate.html?src=recg

 
Beam has actually decided to start pumping some money towards Old Grand-Dad, Old Overholt, and Old Crow.

They are trying to reverse the tide on the "old" part of the name, and it sounds like maybe snag some of that hipster PBR love.

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2013/11/revenge-of-olds.html

They are marketing the "The Olds" with their own website, with some help from "The Onion".

http://theoldswhiskeys.com/

I can't imagine this will possibly work (you can't get hipsters by blatantly marketing towards them and even dim-witted hipsters can see what's going on here), and I have no why they'd want to drag OGD's good name through the mud by associating it garbage like Crow and Overholt (though the latter's not terrible, just underproofed. I could certainly see it having a resurgence just from the rye boom).

I hope like hell it doesn't work either, at least for OGD's sake. When Beam has a whiskey that's popular, they like to drop the proof and raise the price.

 
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Beam has actually decided to start pumping some money towards Old Grand-Dad, Old Overholt, and Old Crow.

They are trying to reverse the tide on the "old" part of the name, and it sounds like maybe snag some of that hipster PBR love.

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2013/11/revenge-of-olds.html

They are marketing the "The Olds" with their own website, with some help from "The Onion".

http://theoldswhiskeys.com/

I can't imagine this will possibly work (you can't get hipsters by blatantly marketing towards them and even dim-witted hipsters can see what's going on here), and I have no why they'd want to drag OGD's good name through the mud by associating it garbage like Crow and Overholt (though the latter's not terrible, just underproofed. I could certainly see it having a resurgence just from the rye boom).

I hope like hell it doesn't work either, at least for OGD's sake. When Beam has a whiskey that's popular, they like to drop the proof and raise the price.
No ####. It's my go-to.

 
I have perfected the paper plane, after a lot of experimentation.

1.5 oz rye (I use Bulleit)

1.0 oz Amaro Nonino

.5 oz Aperol

.5 oz lemon juice

shake over ice, strain, and serve with a lemon twist

I used to make 'em with campari, but aperol works better.

 
High West Campfire - I thought it was a bit gimmicky, but finally picked up a bottle after seeing so many good reviews and I love it. A blend of American bourbon, some rye and a very noticeable but subdued amount of peated scotch. A great idea really. Very enjoyable flavor.
Picked this up this afternoon and am sipping it while watching the Iron Bowl. Outstanding neat. Just enough sweet and just enough peat.

 
What do I do with cognac? My guy at the fancy liquor store had a special, so I've got a spankin new bottle of Tesseron lot 90 XO.

Drink it straight up in a fancy snifter of some sort I presume? Do I need the leather patches on my tweed sport coat?

 
I managed to get a bottle of the Angels Envy Cask Strength. Not breaking into that one for quite some time.

I need to start trying to buy 2 of each bottle because for some reason I hate breaking into a bottle without having a backup.

I'm starting to accumulate a nice little selection of bourbons:

Pappy 23 year, Elijah Craig 21, George T Stagg, Angels Envy Cask, Old Rip Van Winkle 12 year and Old Forester Birthday

:thumbup: :banned: :thumbup:

 
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Brought Angels Envy and Russel's Reserve 10 to thanksgiving with my extended family. The Russel's Reserve was well received, but they were blown away by the Angel's Envy. Very smooth with a lot of flavor. I'd highly recommend it :thumbup:

 
Brought Angels Envy and Russel's Reserve 10 to thanksgiving with my extended family. The Russel's Reserve was well received, but they were blown away by the Angel's Envy. Very smooth with a lot of flavor. I'd highly recommend it :thumbup:
Just a little disappointed that I left the bottle behind as a gift instead of snagging it to bring it home

 
1) Booker's
2) Woodford Reserve

3) Blanton's

4) Baker's

5) Eagle Rare

6) Buffalo Trace
7) Maker's 46

8) Old Granddad 114
9) Maker's Mark

10) Lexington

11) Ridgemont Reserve
12) Bulleit

13) Rebel Yell

14) Four Roses

I am stupid, and a whore for a cool bottle. This bourbon has no texture or soul. Weird, really. It doesn't taste bad, and has an interesting finish.

I don't think I'll buy another bottle. It's kinda like a bourbon that's trying waaay too hard to be cool.

Edit: I just read a review on it, and the bourbon was described as "thin." Perfect adjective.

 
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Upon review, this is a very happy thread.

Also - I have am unopened bottle of Fireball that I received as a gift. I'll be regifting it this Christmas.

 
Picked up some OF Birthday Bourbon to bring home for the holidays. Should make for some fun cribbage games with my dad :thumbup:

 

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