Indefinite Tampa Bay Bucs thread: Somehow not on the list of teams to never have won a Super Bowl (2 Viewers)

[Capella]

I am pretty sure you cannot hook a player up to a polygraph. Lol

 

[Grahamburn]

I am pretty sure you cannot hook a player up to a polygraph. Lol

Why not? There's never been a situation like this as far as I know. If I was investing millions, the #1 overall, and the future of my franchise in this kid I'd ask if he was willing to take one.

 

[Capella]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

 

[Grahamburn]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

Are draft prospects members of the CBA?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

I doubt a team would even if they were allowed (which I also doubt) but I don't think the CBA has any bearing on the incoming rookie class until they are actually drafted.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

Are draft prospects members of the CBA?

No, no the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) applies to the owners and the NFLPA. The rookies aren't members of the NFLPA until they are drafted and sign their contract.

 

[Premier]

@ScottSBucs: The Buccaneers' new Offensive Coordinator is Dirk Koetter. The team and Koetter agreed to terms Thursday.

 

[Premier]

That has to mean Jameis, right?

 

[bucsbaby]

Feels like disaster written all over it

 

[Tanner9919]

this elevates Evans to the next level - see Julio Jones..it's going to be great to watch Jackson and Evans play the Julio/Roddy White roles!

Winston is the better QB than Mariota, and it's not even close..

I know Koetter worked well with MJD, but the Falcons had no running game while he was there..it'll be interesting to see what it all means to the TB RB's..

 

[FUBAR]

I am pretty sure you cannot hook a player up to a polygraph. Lol

Why not? There's never been a situation like this as far as I know. If I was investing millions, the #1 overall, and the future of my franchise in this kid I'd ask if he was willing to take one.

Pretty sure he could voluntarily take a poly. But for the Bucs to ask just seems like it could result in bad PR.

if he volunteered for one and they did it in private without telling anyone, and not using anyone a police force uses, maybe.

But if you don't trust him enough without it, don't draft him.

 

[FUBAR]

That has to mean Jameis, right?

Why? It's probably obvious, I'm just missing something.

 

[Grahamburn]

That has to mean Jameis, right?

Why? It's probably obvious, I'm just missing something.

His offense is based on timing routes and drop back passing.

That doesn't necessarily mean Mariota can't learn to do those things and/or Koetter isn't innovative enough to design plays to fit MM's strengths. However, on the surface, Jameis would clearly be the better choice as a plug and play QB in his offense.

 

[Grahamburn]

I don't see how you can predetermine who you are going to pick without having gone through a draft process though.

 

[nightmare]

Any GM thinking about asking a player to take a polygraph-shouldn't draft the player.

 

[Quez]

Greg Auman tweeted something about Oregon's coach being on Koetters staff at one time or something. So there could be a Mariota link. People are grasping for anything to give a clue towards Winston or Mariota

 

[Grahamburn]

Any GM thinking about asking a player to take a polygraph-shouldn't draft the player.

I guess so? Maybe that's my point, but it's kind of a cop out to just say "we don't know, so let's not draft him." There seem to be a lot of people just shrugging off that Winston has been accused of rape. It's kind of a big deal.

 

[Capella]

It is a big deal but it's a bigger deal that 3 investigations have cleared him.

 

[nightmare]

Trust-hooking someone up to a polygraph in this situation is saying "we don't trust you".

You do not go into business with that person-doesn't matter what the truth is.

No team is going to do this.

 

[Grahamburn]

Trust-hooking someone up to a polygraph in this situation is saying "we don't trust you".

You do not go into business with that person-doesn't matter what the truth is.

No team is going to do this.

Fair enough. Good point.

 

[Capella]

I just can't stop picturing Jameis hooked up to a polygraph, sweating, while Lovie stands in a dark room under a lamp asking him questions.

DAMMIT I NEED THE TRUTH JAMEIS

 

[cstu]

Any GM thinking about asking a player to take a polygraph-shouldn't draft the player.

I guess so? Maybe that's my point, but it's kind of a cop out to just say "we don't know, so let's not draft him." There seem to be a lot of people just shrugging off that Winston has been accused of rape. It's kind of a big deal.

Especially when it didn't just end when Winston wasn't charged - she's now suing the school for a violation of her civil rights.

The woman, who remains anonymous in the suit, reported being sexually assaulted in December 2012, by an unknown assailant. She then allegedly recognised Winston as her attacker when they shared a class on “race and ethnicity” at the beginning of the spring semester.

In the complaint, the plaintiff describes listening for his name during roll-call, after which she promptly provided it to Tallahassee police. She says she did not know he was FSU’s premier football recruit at the time.

“This deliberate concealment of student-on-student sexual harassment to protect the football program deprived plaintiff of her rights under Title IX and caused substantial damages,” the complaint continues.

A second woman came forward with similar allegations in October 2013, according to the complaint, but still no disciplinary proceedings against Winston took place. The complaint states that the incident was “never reported” to FSU’s Title IX coordinator by either the school’s police or the athletics department, despite both being made aware of the incident.

 

[gump]

@ScottSBucs: The Buccaneers' new Offensive Coordinator is Dirk Koetter. The team and Koetter agreed to terms Thursday.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I just can't stop picturing Jameis hooked up to a polygraph, sweating, while Lovie stands in a dark room under a lamp asking him questions.

DAMMIT I NEED THE TRUTH JAMEIS

[Eddie and Lou interrogate Moe with a lie detector.] Eddie: Do you hold a grudge against Montgomery Burns? Moe: No. [buzz, red light] All right, maybe I did. But I didn't shoot him! [ding, green light] Eddie: Checks out. Okay, sir, you're free to go. Moe: Good, 'cause I got a hot date tonight. [buzz] A date. [buzz] Dinner with friends. [buzz] Dinner alone. [buzz] Watching TV alone. [buzz] All right! I'm going to sit at home and ogle the ladies in the Victoria's Secret catalog! [buzz] Sears catalog. [ding] Now, would you unhook this already, please?! I don't deserve this kind of shabby treatment! [buzz]

 

[Grahamburn]

I just can't stop picturing Jameis hooked up to a polygraph, sweating, while Lovie stands in a dark room under a lamp asking him questions.

DAMMIT I NEED THE TRUTH JAMEIS

Well, you can't have Lovie do it! Jameis would get confused by all his subtle double talk and muck up the results.

 

[Capella]

I just can't stop picturing Jameis hooked up to a polygraph, sweating, while Lovie stands in a dark room under a lamp asking him questions.

DAMMIT I NEED THE TRUTH JAMEIS

[Eddie and Lou interrogate Moe with a lie detector.] Eddie: Do you hold a grudge against Montgomery Burns? Moe: No. [buzz, red light] All right, maybe I did. But I didn't shoot him! [ding, green light] Eddie: Checks out. Okay, sir, you're free to go. Moe: Good, 'cause I got a hot date tonight. [buzz] A date. [buzz] Dinner with friends. [buzz] Dinner alone. [buzz] Watching TV alone. [buzz] All right! I'm going to sit at home and ogle the ladies in the Victoria's Secret catalog! [buzz] Sears catalog. [ding] Now, would you unhook this already, please?! I don't deserve this kind of shabby treatment! [buzz]

elite Simpsons season right there.

 

[Grahamburn]

All jokes aside, I don't think asking him to take one is that far fetched. In fact, if I was him, I knew I was innocent, and I wanted to be the #1 pick I'd volunteer to take one.

 

[Capella]

I just can't stop picturing Jameis hooked up to a polygraph, sweating, while Lovie stands in a dark room under a lamp asking him questions.

DAMMIT I NEED THE TRUTH JAMEIS

Well, you can't have Lovie do it! Jameis would get confused by all his subtle double talk and muck up the results.

Jameis did you sleep with that woman?

Yes.

Jameis did you rape that woman?

No

But you just said you slept with her.

Yes.

But then you just said you didn't rape her. I don't understand.

Yes.

Yes what, Jameis?

 

[Quez]

I just can't stop picturing Jameis hooked up to a polygraph, sweating, while Lovie stands in a dark room under a lamp asking him questions.

DAMMIT I NEED THE TRUTH JAMEIS

I could see Schiano trying to hook players up to a polygraph.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

this elevates Evans to the next level - see Julio Jones..it's going to be great to watch Jackson and Evans play the Julio/Roddy White roles!

Winston is the better QB than Mariota, and it's not even close..

I know Koetter worked well with MJD, but the Falcons had no running game while he was there..it'll be interesting to see what it all means to the TB RB's..

Your Correct it's not close. Winston couldn't hold Mairota's Jock and just got DESTROYED by him.

Evens is good but Julios numbers are due to him being a beast not that scrub. Tampa will have a top 5 pick next year if Jamis is their choice.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

To join the FBI you need to pass a polygraph. A polygraph isn't admissible in a court of law so there isn't any criminal liability tied to it.

 

[gump]

this elevates Evans to the next level - see Julio Jones..it's going to be great to watch Jackson and Evans play the Julio/Roddy White roles!

Winston is the better QB than Mariota, and it's not even close..

I know Koetter worked well with MJD, but the Falcons had no running game while he was there..it'll be interesting to see what it all means to the TB RB's..

Your Correct it's not close. Winston couldn't hold Mairota's Jock and just got DESTROYED by him.

Evens is good but Julios numbers are due to him being a beast not that scrub. Tampa will have a top 5 pick next year if Jamis is their choice.

I'm now convinced.

 

[msommer]

this elevates Evans to the next level - see Julio Jones..it's going to be great to watch Jackson and Evans play the Julio/Roddy White roles!

Winston is the better QB than Mariota, and it's not even close..

I know Koetter worked well with MJD, but the Falcons had no running game while he was there..it'll be interesting to see what it all means to the TB RB's..

Your Correct it's not close. Winston couldn't hold Mairota's Jock and just got DESTROYED by him.

Evens is good but Julios numbers are due to him being a beast not that scrub. Tampa will have a top 5 pick next year if Jamis is their choice.

I'm now convinced.

Billy Ball can have that effect on people...

 

[Quez]

this elevates Evans to the next level - see Julio Jones..it's going to be great to watch Jackson and Evans play the Julio/Roddy White roles!

Winston is the better QB than Mariota, and it's not even close..

I know Koetter worked well with MJD, but the Falcons had no running game while he was there..it'll be interesting to see what it all means to the TB RB's..

Your Correct it's not close. Winston couldn't hold Mairota's Jock and just got DESTROYED by him.Evens is good but Julios numbers are due to him being a beast not that scrub. Tampa will have a top 5 pick next year if Jamis is their choice.

Not

 

[cstu]

IMO the Bucs have no choice but to take Mariota unless they are absolutely sure he's a bust. If they take Winston with all of his red flags and he's a bust then they will be the laughingstock of the league. No GM is going to take that chance.

 

[Grahamburn]

Koetter worked side by side with Mark Helfrich for something like 9 seasons in a row.

 

[FUBAR]

IMO the Bucs have no choice but to take Mariota unless they are absolutely sure he's a bust. If they take Winston with all of his red flags and he's a bust then they will be the laughingstock of the league. No GM is going to take that chance.

There is another...

you could just not draft a qb.

 

[FUBAR]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

To join the FBI you need to pass a polygraph. A polygraph isn't admissible in a court of law so there isn't any criminal liability tied to it.

The poly itself isn't but the surrounding interview is.

We like subjects to take a poly not only because it can get them to fess up but also because it can lead to a determination (outside of court) of innocence.

if I didn't do a crime I'm accused of, I probably take a poly voluntarily.

 

[Capella]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

To join the FBI you need to pass a polygraph. A polygraph isn't admissible in a court of law so there isn't any criminal liability tied to it.

if I didn't do a crime I'm accused of, I probably take a poly voluntarily.

You most definitely would not, unless you are bat#### insane.

 

[FUBAR]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

To join the FBI you need to pass a polygraph. A polygraph isn't admissible in a court of law so there isn't any criminal liability tied to it.

if I didn't do a crime I'm accused of, I probably take a poly voluntarily.

You most definitely would not, unless you are bat#### insane.

Maybe I am slightly insane but I've been around the business long enough to make an informed decision.

 

[Grahamburn]

IMO the Bucs have no choice but to take Mariota unless they are absolutely sure he's a bust. If they take Winston with all of his red flags and he's a bust then they will be the laughingstock of the league. No GM is going to take that chance.

There is another...

you could just not draft a qb.

Unless they trade for an NFL caliber QB (unlikely) I don't see that as an option.

 

[Capella]

Yea I have to imagine that is definitely not an option. I would say it's 99.5% that Winston or Mariotta are on the team come May.

 

[Tool]

IMO the Bucs have no choice but to take Mariota unless they are absolutely sure he's a bust. If they take Winston with all of his red flags and he's a bust then they will be the laughingstock of the league. No GM is going to take that chance.

A lot will change b/t now and the draft but i don't agree that the Bucs will rule out Winston b/c of his red flags.

 

[Quez]

Joey Galloway says Winston

Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota?: http://youtu.be/m6_rbgDgc74

 

[Gandalf]

If I'm the Bucs I ask Jameis to take a polygraph. If he accepts and passes with flying colors he's the guy. If he declines or fails the decision is simple.

What questions would you ask him?

 

[Grahamburn]

If I'm the Bucs I ask Jameis to take a polygraph. If he accepts and passes with flying colors he's the guy. If he declines or fails the decision is simple.

What questions would you ask him?

I've never administered one, but I believe you start with simple yes or no questions to calibrate the machine. Then I'd ask him:

Have you ever committed sexual assault?

And that's it.

 

[cstu]

I would be willing to be it's in the cba. The union isn't going to allow their members to be treated like criminals. Come on, that's a little much.

To join the FBI you need to pass a polygraph. A polygraph isn't admissible in a court of law so there isn't any criminal liability tied to it.

if I didn't do a crime I'm accused of, I probably take a poly voluntarily.

You most definitely would not, unless you are bat#### insane.

Maybe I am slightly insane but I've been around the business long enough to make an informed decision.

I don't want to get into a big polygraph discussion, but:

"False positives" in which test-takers fail a polygraph even though they are telling the truth are common, and Attorney General John Ashcroft, while endorsing the new FBI security measure, has estimated that the tests are about 85 percent accurate.

So a 1/6 chance that even under a properly administered polygraph it will return a false-positive.

Sure, go ahead and take your chances.

 

[Capella]

@ProFootballTalk: Just heard Cowboys defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli is expected to become the defensive coordinator in Tampa.

 

[Quez]

Huge. Marinelli can turn garbage into starting caliber NFL players. Imagine what he could do with McCoy. He should also really help a guy like Bowers.

Look at what he did for George Selvie. The dude was a turd that kept getting cut. Goes to dallas, and Rod has him making plays.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Thank you Jerry Jones!!