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Is there a Mike Vick thread? (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
Footballguy
Not quite, but yes he's an amazing runner. No doubt about it. I don't think anyone questions that's by far his greatest attribute.
So how come 2 years ago they became the first team to ever win a playoff game in Lambeau Field? And the year before that(when Vick sat the bench, while Chris Chandler, who is a pretty good QB, played) they were terrible.So basically in the past 4 years, Vick has played 2, missed 1 to injury, missed 1 to sitting out his rookie year...and they were always better than him.And even so....Can you explain how last year, Vick took that 2-10 team to a 3-1 record against its toughest competition of the season?
Family Matters
Footballguy
Well, this post looks silly now doesn't it. You may not like Vick but you can't complain about what he's done tonight.
I actually do understand this. Its also the reason that some people dislike Favre and Ray Lewis....people get tired of hearing so much about one player.Thats makes sense to me, and I do understand the hatred...I just disagree totally with those that don't think he helps his team tremendously.
packersfan
Footballguy
Because the Packers completely self-destructed with a number of turnovers and a blocked punt, none of which Vick had anything to do with.
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CrossEyed
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Mike Vick is Kordell Stewart with more speed. Nothing else.
Family Matters
Footballguy
So those 154 yards are what my imagination? Seriously, I understand what you're saying but I think a bigger problem is the lasck of talent at WR. I mean, they have Price as their WR1 for crying out loud. This guy is not a WR1. A decent #2 but no way he is a number 1. I think that experiment has backfired.PriceWhiteFinneranJenkins-rookieLooke at this WR corp, it's pathedic. And to make matters worse, they won't throw to their best receiver which is Dunn.
B Maverick
Footballguy
yes being the #1 rushing offense helps. Esp since vick is a RB not a QB, which is what i have been saying.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
In my league he is approaching 30 points for tonight.Not exactly sucky.
Whatevaman15
Footballguy
Yep, the D sure did a masterful job of allowing 80, 97 and 78 yard TD drives.Mike Vick will have nothing to do with this win tonight, Feely will kick the FG, Once again, the D and ST won the game for him. bottom line!
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CrossEyed
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Which makes him at best an average NFL QB. I just don't understand the hype.
Whatevaman15
Footballguy
So any QB with a better arm and head than Kordell is average at best? So to be above average you have to have either a worse arm or a worse head than kordell?Big plays especially at the end with the int won the game, not vick's arm, and that's what this is all about, the boy can't throw the football. he can throw it fast, that's for sure, but he cannot throw accuratley, and tries to make way too many htings happen when nothing's there.Yep, the D sure did a masterful job of allowing 80, 97 and 78 yard TD drives.Mike Vick will have nothing to do with this win tonight, Feely will kick the FG, Once again, the D and ST won the game for him. bottom line!
Native
Footballguy
Sure from a fantasy perspective you never know what youre getting with Vick. But on the field he makes a hell of a lot of plays. The Falcons opened up a convincing 24-10 lead and then basically sat on the ball. IMO the playcalling is more at fault than Vick. Then, when they fell behind and needed a TD, he led the team down field and scored. Im glad I got to watch him play today because I actually think hes much better than hes given credit for (compared to the folks here on the board, not the idiots in the booth who worship him).
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CrossEyed
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No, Mike Vick is an average QB at best. Saying that he's got a better everything than Kordell Stewart really isn't saying all that much.
SickThing
Footballguy
Well if that WR crew did the job, they must have a pretty good QB!Ok he has PriceCrumplerWhiteFinnernanall of the above proved that they can catch the ball tonight and make plays!He's over 20 points so far on my playoff team too!And I totally agree with FM that he could use some decent WR's.
Yea, he's amazing! I mean 11/28, how does he do it?????o wait, he's a RB!Well if that WR crew did the job, they must have a pretty good QB!Ok he has PriceCrumplerWhiteFinnernanall of the above proved that they can catch the ball tonight and make plays!He's over 20 points so far on my playoff team too!
The only other guy I've seen who can run like Vick at QB was Cunningham - he did one of those sick "knee is not down" plays on MNF.Having lived in Philly through the Cunningham era and the early McNabb era I can honestly say Vick is an adequate player at QB. He's a terrible passer, but the running makes up for it. However, he will need to get the passing game turned up a few notches to be a good QB. Part of that may be his WR's, but it's also partly him.I view Vick at this time as high-risk, high-reward type of QB. If the Falcons were in the AFC they'd have no shot to go to the Super Bowl, because he'd need to be good every game. Even in a normal year, he'd be very likely to have a clunker that would bite them in the butt against a good complete team. Luckily for the Falcons, there's really only the Eagles. Everyone else (including the Falcons to some extent) has some question marks on one side of the ball or the other. It's looking like Carolina may be answering all their question marks, though, and might be the third best team in the NFC playoffs.
Oh...so once again, everything just seems to go perfect and fall in place when Vick is playing and everything falls apart when he isn't playing.BTW...my question wasn't just about that one game but also about how they played well enough to actually make the playoffs that year with Vick, then went 2-10 without him the very next year.
Thats easily bottom 5 of WRs in the the league.Ok he has PriceCrumplerWhiteFinnernanall of the above proved that they can catch the ball tonight and make plays!He's over 20 points so far on my playoff team too!
Yeah, his first TD pass was just a bullet with no touch on it whatsoever.Big plays especially at the end with the int won the game, not vick's arm, and that's what this is all about, the boy can't throw the football. he can throw it fast, that's for sure, but he cannot throw accuratley, and tries to make way too many htings happen when nothing's there.Yep, the D sure did a masterful job of allowing 80, 97 and 78 yard TD drives.Mike Vick will have nothing to do with this win tonight, Feely will kick the FG, Once again, the D and ST won the game for him. bottom line!
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For people to stop acting like he's a great QB. Because he isn't. I'm not saying he's terrible, just that he's an average QB with great athletic ability. If I were starting an NFL team right now there would be at least 10 other QBs I would rather have than Vick.I don't hate the guy, and I'm not upset. I just don't get the hype, that's all.
Big Score
Footballguy
Nay sayers downing Vick tend to overlook the obvious.When Vick is under center for the Falcons, more often than not, they win.When Vick is not under center for the Falcons, more often than not, they lose.It's not Rockey Science or Brain Surgery fellas, Vick makes the Falcons a better team when he plays and that's all there is to it.I mean you can't argue with the Win - vs - Loss column can you?
I've been trying all thread(and really for the past few months) to make this point, but people just keep the nonsensical(sp?) arguments:"But they've added a new D- coordinator and system"- Oh so I guess Vick going 3-1 last year against their toughest run of opponents doesn't count?"But their terrible record without him and great record with him are only because of how absolutely horrible their QBs are"- Oh so I guess that Chris Chandler in his prime was a terible QB and that when a 2nd year QB(Vick) took over and took them from an average team with Chandler to a 2nd round playoff team, that doesn't mean anything either?
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CrossEyed
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I'd change him to a RB and he'd be top 5 and much more valuable.
cstu
Footballguy
Please name the 10 other QB's you'd rather have than Vick.That's sounds as dumb as Merrill Hoge's comment that there are 20 better WR's than Moss. Right now there are only 5 that I would rather have - Manning, Culpepper, McNabb, Brady and Favre. He does so much beyond just passing the ball that when he actually learns to run the WCO he is going to be scary.
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CrossEyed
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Actually when you factor in age, Favre wouldn't even be on the list. But in no particular order, I'd take Manning, McNab, Culpepper, Brady, Bulger, Pennington, Leftwich, Palmer, Roethlisberger and Brees before I'd take Vick. Maybe even Griese and Green. Given a few more games to look at him, Volek might even make my list. I like my QB to be able to play QB. Running for 1,000 yards is great, but that's what RBs are for. I'd prefer my QB to be able to throw the ball and manage the game.
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