Is this ff team name offensive? (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Thank you, teach. I’ve been trying to say it for hours.

 

[rockaction]

I have tons of links about young men and political affiliation ready to go but I’m on my phone.

Anecdotally, I can tell you definitively that the subjects and language used by the young mainstream right would make you very uncomfortable and possibly angry. And that’s the norm. I was trying to explain it and was giving you guys links so you could see for yourselves.

 

[Ilov80s]

And I think part of what Rock was saying is the reactions and people telling them not to do it is why they started doing it in the first place so that’s likely not going to have the desired result.

And we aren’t talking just incels. From my experience teaching, it’s worst among the popular hockey player types. I heard stuff like Nazis had the right ideas but just got a little carried away, women shouldn’t be able to vote because they aren’t fully developed humans, Jesse Owens winning the Olympic medals was fake American propaganda, etc. So if they will say that to their teacher imagine what they might say when no adults of authority are around.

 

[zamboni]

I didn’t follow this whole convo but I thought it was common knowledge at this point that young males are much more far right wing l we’ve seen in a long time. The most common words in online gaming are the n word, r word and f word. I think it all started “for the lolz” and to be an edge lord and now it’s just kind of become the way many of them think about minorities, women, etc. Many young women/girls are having a ton of problems dating right now because of it.

I think that's correct for the most part on average, but the degree of racism - not surprisingly - may be dependent on geography. My kids and their friends are far more woke/culturally sensitive than my own generational circle. But I'll stop there - I'm not a political person nor intend to become one.

 

[rockaction]

I didn’t follow this whole convo but I thought it was common knowledge at this point that young males are much more far right wing l we’ve seen in a long time. The most common words in online gaming are the n word, r word and f word. I think it all started “for the lolz” and to be an edge lord and now it’s just kind of become the way many of them think about minorities, women, etc. Many young women/girls are having a ton of problems dating right now because of it.

I think that's correct for the most part on average, but the degree of racism - not surprisingly - may be dependent on geography. My kids and their friends are far more woke/culturally sensitive than my own generational circle. But I'll stop there - I'm not a political person nor intend to become one.

Yeah, there’s a growing divide in the intensity of the political feelings of conservatives and liberals, but that said, more young people are identifying as moderates, believe it or not

Liberals are more woke and cons more rightist.

Men are much more conservative if they're younger—especially white young men.

Women are the most progressive in their attitudes ever.

 

[El Floppo]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

 

[rockaction]

And I think part of what Rock was saying is the reactions and people telling them not to do it is why they started doing it in the first place so that’s likely not going to have the desired result.

And we aren’t talking just incels. From my experience teaching, it’s worst among the popular hockey player types. I heard stuff like Nazis had the right ideas but just got a little carried away, women shouldn’t be able to vote because they aren’t fully developed humans, Jesse Owens winning the Olympic medals was fake American propaganda, etc. So if they will say that to their teacher imagine what they might say when no adults of authority are around.

Thanks for the anecdotal support. I am telling you all that the authors the kids on the intellectual right read and the ideas they espouse are ideas that when I worked in DC were promulgated by guys that were getting booted from National Review and they weren’t getting published or attention. I know this is the case because I worked for staunch conservatives on the cusp of this stuff. Like respectable but definitely discussing racial and sex differences. The people that my bosses thought were a touch in bad faith are who the mainstream right reads now. I mentioned Steve Sailer. He was radioactive in ‘99. Now everybody reads him and they go further than he does. It’s moved like tectonically.

 

[blue42]

I would make my child(ren) change that team name. It's in poor taste and not all that witty.

 

[rockaction]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

 

[rockaction]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

No, you know what? Three people liked what ChiefD was saying. And it’s the usual suspects. Flop, it’s the same **** different year and they’re either a) willful ******** or b) not very bright or c) won’t listen to a good faith warning and want to castigate the messenger

I’m “spewing” “contrarian” garbage.

These people just have fundamental issues of cognition. I am pretty clear in what I’m saying. I’ve given them links to drop in on these discussions. They’re just obdurate ****ing ******** looking to be offended. One of them was the one that said IK lied about his politics when he didn’t and when I posted and proved him wrong he admitted he was wrong and apologized because he looked like an ***. And now he’s giving what I’m saying a bad faith reading? WTF?!

Jesus, I’m trying to get rid of this and I’m telling these guys what makes it worse and they’re going to act like this?

totally pathetic and it’s no longer an innocent mistake. It’s clearly just bad faith at this point

 

[El Floppo]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I didn’t follow this whole convo but I thought it was common knowledge at this point that young males are much more far right wing l we’ve seen in a long time. The most common words in online gaming are the n word, r word and f word. I think it all started “for the lolz” and to be an edge lord and now it’s just kind of become the way many of them think about minorities, women, etc. Many young women/girls are having a ton of problems dating right now because of it.

Not having kids, nor working/gaming with them, I was unaware this was a thing.

The twenty-something male climbers I know don’t seem especially brazen with hateful speech though. Then again, Hawaii’s demographics are very different than the continental US. There are very few AA (but two of my younger climbing partners are half black), and even fewer Jewish people.

 

[rockaction]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

That’s reasonable. The reason I’m bringing this up here is because like 80s points out, this is likely deeper than a FF joke by a kid. I’m explaining this in what is likely its broader context. I don’t particularly enjoy this, but this strikes me as right-coded and OP ought to be aware.

 

[Mitchie]

I will say contrary to everyone in here calling it extremely unfunny, and with most people knowing I'm one of the most liberal people here (I have the bannings to show for it...) it's a bit clever.

My context is probably different being in Canada and my nearest big city being Toronto, which is extremely populated with a lot of people who identify as "brown" in a non offensive way. (and you know, not having ICE).

I could read it as a meta commentary on police in places being racist themselves and targeting certain races without trying/stretching that much.

But probably still best to change it.

I had this thought as well, like it could be ironic, but even if that's the case probably best to change it as you said.

 

[Terminalxylem]

And I think part of what Rock was saying is the reactions and people telling them not to do it is why they started doing it in the first place so that’s likely not going to have the desired result.

And we aren’t talking just incels. From my experience teaching, it’s worst among the popular hockey player types. I heard stuff like Nazis had the right ideas but just got a little carried away, women shouldn’t be able to vote because they aren’t fully developed humans, Jesse Owens winning the Olympic medals was fake American propaganda, etc. So if they will say that to their teacher imagine what they might say when no adults of authority are around.

This explains why I’m in the dark.

 

[zamboni]

I would make my child(ren) change that team name. It's in poor taste and not all that witty.

The OP's son is 21 - not exactly that simple.

 

[rockaction]

And I do have to say that I generally try not to digress too much anymore. I stick to the subject for the most part. I mostly comment on football unless I’m bored because I haven’t been too thrilled about the general tone and tenor of the board. That’s just the truth. I’m mainly in the Shark Pool or a music thread. I actually thought what I was saying was in perfect keeping with the OPs request for how to approach this. You have to understand where this is all coming from to address something in a fashion that achieves something more than that which can be accomplished by force or command (and actually can’t in this case, which seems to be surprisingly lost on a bunch of people here).

So yeah, I’ll keep it in mind but nothing I’ve said has been close to irrelevant.

 

[El Floppo]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

That’s reasonable. The reason I’m bringing this up here is because like 80s points out, this is likely deeper than a FF joke by a kid. I’m explaining this in what is likely its broader context. I don’t particularly enjoy this, but this strikes me as right-coded and OP ought to be aware.

I completely agree. And genuinely appreciate hearing it (here and in the other threads).

But theres a difference between bringing it up, and responding to every post reiterating or clarifying that point.

 

[rockaction]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

That’s reasonable. The reason I’m bringing this up here is because like 80s points out, this is likely deeper than a FF joke by a kid. I’m explaining this in what is likely its broader context. I don’t particularly enjoy this, but this strikes me as right-coded and OP ought to be aware.

I completely agree. And genuinely appreciate hearing it (here and in the other threads).

But theres a difference between bringing it up, and responding to every post reiterating or clarifying that point.

Very fair. Now it’s tiresome. But Chief’s post is right at the beginning of the conversation. It was post number 15. I hadn’t reiterated a thing. At all. It was just a ****ty and domineering reaction. Look, I’m not pleading with you to see my side. You’re perfectly comfortable pointing out my shortcomings in politics and social graces, and I’m just going to point out that actually it’s not on me and I get when I’m being tendentious or out of line. It’s right at the beginning of the thread! And I’m accused of “dropping in” to a thread as if I were ruining this sacred conversation. But the person accusing me of that hadn’t even commented yet! Like, sorry I ruined the discussion you weren’t even having, Chief!

LOL this is a joke. **** it,

 

[kupcho1]

It's potentially offensive and your child's generation is sadly a whole lot more racist than our generation.

I think you missed the point. It's anti-cop, not racist.

 

[rockaction]

It's potentially offensive and your child's generation is sadly a whole lot more racist than our generation.

I think you missed the point. It's anti-cop, not racist.

I think if you read it again and read this thread it’s dealing with the racial aspect of it and that’s what OP is worried about. I certainly know I haven’t spent all this contentious time debating anti-police sentiment,

 

[dgreen]

If someone in his group was offended by the name, then it is offensive. If not, then it wasn't offensive. If he intended it to be racist, then it was racist. If he didn't intend it to be racist (i initially interpreted it as a comment on police), then it wasn't racist. That's how I tend to use "offensive" and "racist". One has to do with how other people hear a comment and the other about what was intended.

Words aren't offensive or racist on their own. All words exist within a context. We are removed from some pretty important parts of the context (namely the intention of the owner who created the name, how his league-mates react to the name, and any background context of this group of friends), so it seems weird for us to try to definitively answer this question.

 

[blue42]

I would make my child(ren) change that team name. It's in poor taste and not all that witty.

The OP's son is 21 - not exactly that simple.

Can always offer up a little "didn't I show you how to be better than that?"

You're always the parent, and they're always the child. No matter the age.

 

[kupcho1]

It's potentially offensive and your child's generation is sadly a whole lot more racist than our generation.

I think you missed the point. It's anti-cop, not racist.

I think if you read it again and read this thread it’s dealing with the racial aspect of it and that’s what OP is worried about. I certainly know I haven’t spent all this contentious time debating anti-police sentiment,

I did read it (it's not as long as one of yours, so it was pretty easy ).

Using a picture (or cartoon) of a cop as the team icon is the giveaway. It's anti-cop and, in my opinion, as far from racist as you can get. But that's just my interpretation.

“What if everything in the world were a misunderstanding, what if laughter were really tears?”
― Soren Kierkegaard

 

[dgreen]

I would make my child(ren) change that team name. It's in poor taste and not all that witty.

This perspective has come up a few times in this thread. I'm curious how this would work since the child in this scenario is 21. My kids are 22, 20, and 18, and wouldn't "make" them change the name. I'd probably talk to them about it and offer my opinion, but I don't see myself taking any steps that would be defined as "making" them change it. It's an interesting parenting question. In what sense can a parent of adult children make them do anything?

 

[djmich]

I also don't think we should circle wagons and tut-tut either child or parent. This is exactly how they're talking. A lot of them. I keep hearing adults my age surprised that the youth are both as right-wing as they are and that they tend towards saying the exact things that people practicing identity politics tried to get rid of for about the past thirty-five years. It failed spectacularly and they revel in smashing the taboos put in place.

I think it’s much broader than “right wing”. I have two daughters both of whom lean left, one more heavily and they both are much less PC than five years ago. There’s definitely an element of “that was crazy” boomerang going on and it’s across genders.

I haven’t heard anything about dating down because boys are racists, I kinda wish that was a problem lol.

 

[rockaction]

It's potentially offensive and your child's generation is sadly a whole lot more racist than our generation.

I think you missed the point. It's anti-cop, not racist.

I think if you read it again and read this thread it’s dealing with the racial aspect of it and that’s what OP is worried about. I certainly know I haven’t spent all this contentious time debating anti-police sentiment,

I did read it (it's not as long as one of yours, so it was pretty easy ).

Using a picture (or cartoon) of a cop as the team icon is the giveaway. It's anti-cop and, in my opinion, as far from racist as you can get. But that's just my interpretation.

“What if everything in the world were a misunderstanding, what if laughter were really tears?”
― Soren Kierkegaard

Awesome. Thank you. What if he’s in favor of cops chasing brown people?

I kid. I have no idea what he was going for. I guess there are limits to hermeneutical inquiry. I’ll go with your interpretation. Gives me an excuse to say sayonara to this thread.

 

[El Floppo]

I would make my child(ren) change that team name. It's in poor taste and not all that witty.

This perspective has come up a few times in this thread. I'm curious how this would work since the child in this scenario is 21. My kids are 22, 20, and 18, and wouldn't "make" them change the name. I'd probably talk to them about it and offer my opinion, but I don't see myself taking any steps that would be defined as "making" them change it. It's an interesting parenting question. In what sense can a parent of adult children make them do anything?

Mine are 18 & 14, but i think it would be the same for when theyr adults.

1st- disappointment in my own failings for raising a kid that thinks this was a good idea
Part b- discuss with the kid why i think its a bad idea.
3.01- profit.

 

[scoobus]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

 

[Northern Voice]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

I mean... it was about a cop chasing brown people from the jump

 

[djmich]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

Thanks @rockaction !

 

[comfortably numb]

Be glad he didn't play Fantasy Baseball in the 70's and had **** Pole on his team

 

[rockaction]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

Thanks @rockaction !

I can only hope that people get as much joy out of this discussion as I did

This was a blast. So many threads these days just give me that feeling where I feel heavenly and fulfilled because I receive such kind feedback about how I’m spewing contrarian garbage that I should know is wrong. Makes me genuflect and really feel welcomed. And then it’s even more fun to hear why I asked for comments like that.

****ing A this place is like home!

 

[rockaction]

Lollerskates.

IQ = SIMPLE JACK

Signing off,

**** Nixon

 

[djmich]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

Thanks @rockaction !

I can only hope that people get as much joy out of this discussion as I did

This was a blast. So many threads these days just give me that feeling where I feel heavenly and fulfilled because I receive such kind feedback about how I’m spewing contrarian garbage that I should know is wrong. Makes me genuflect and really feel welcomed. And then it’s even more fun to hear why I asked for comments like that.

****ing A this place is like home!

lol. Just so you know I was only referring to your first post, the fifth one in that said "The stuff they talk about amongst themselves is nuts, especially if they're male and gravitate to people that are right-wing or right-wing adjacent." I mean the thread I'm sure would go political...but you took it there first.

 

[Max Power]

Force Chase Brown to change his name. Problem solved.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m “spewing” “contrarian” garbage.

I don't think of you as contrarian, just passionate and probably too smart for most here. I include myself as someone that gets lost in your rants sometimes - but I'm smart enough, at least, to realize you are always sincere and not just playing contrarian.

I just want to point out, I'm not saying anyone here is dumb, just that rock is miles ahead of most of us - maybe too smart for his own good sometimes.

@rockaction, I do worry about your mental health at times when your passion about some of these subjects seems to overwhelm you. I say that with love, not criticism.

 

[Mitchie]

Have him change the team name to I Chase Brown women, the darker the berry the sweeter the juice". Problem solved and you're welcome.

 

[-OZ-]

Force Chase Brown to change his name. Problem solved.

Just wait until they join a college league with linebackers from eastern Michigan.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

Thanks @rockaction !

He didn't make it political - he pointed out a "movement" taking place.

 

[Max Power]

Force Chase Brown to change his name. Problem solved.

Just wait until they join a college league with linebackers from eastern Michigan.

I Noah that guy!

 

[rockaction]

Man, can’t believe this turned political, a real shocker indeed.

Thanks @rockaction !

I can only hope that people get as much joy out of this discussion as I did

This was a blast. So many threads these days just give me that feeling where I feel heavenly and fulfilled because I receive such kind feedback about how I’m spewing contrarian garbage that I should know is wrong. Makes me genuflect and really feel welcomed. And then it’s even more fun to hear why I asked for comments like that.

****ing A this place is like home!

lol. Just so you know I was only referring to your first post, the fifth one in that said "The stuff they talk about amongst themselves is nuts, especially if they're male and gravitate to people that are right-wing or right-wing adjacent." I mean the thread I'm sure would go political...but you took it there first.

Brother, I have no problem with anything you said. I know it was a political aside. It was to help our OP ascertain what sort of waters his kid is swimming in. I'm certainly not denying I brought it up. Heh. I don't think I was inappropriate, acting against terms of service, or inaccurate in the least. I even provided links to people engaged in these discussions that might have helped the OP or anybody who is curious to understand what I was on about. Don't stress over my reaction. I'll be alright. I just have no patience anymore for people who can't keep up, aren't reading what I've actually written, are assigning me a form of bad faith, and then just start using language and making judgments that deserve not respect nor compliance but closer to a punch in the face.

I’m “spewing” “contrarian” garbage.

I don't think of you as contrarian, just passionate and probably too smart for most here. I include myself as someone that gets lost in your rants sometimes - but I'm smart enough, at least, to realize you are always sincere and not just playing contrarian.

I just want to point out, I'm not saying anyone here is dumb, just that rock is miles ahead of most of us - maybe too smart for his own good sometimes.

@rockaction, I do worry about your mental health at times when your passion about some of these subjects seems to overwhelm you. I say that with love, not criticism.

Thanks for the kind words, Doc. I do appreciate it. My two sort of weird posts can be broken down this way. The first one was simply me stewing and blowing off steam by using the language and spirit with which I was addressed in post fifteen of this thread. The second was what I thought of it all. I don't particularly think that I wanted to address it. It's gotten to the point where it's so absurd that it doesn't merit any response but that which the person who wrote the original absurdity can decode if they wish. Google would be their friend.

But I appreciate your concern. I'm pretty cogent. I'm just shaking my head. And the only reason I'd even take the time to write this is because I like both you and djmich and hold no hard feelings or anything towards anyone who is remotely cool with me. I don't think ill of the this place or its contributors. That's about it, man. Peace. I'll probably being talking football in the Shark Pool.

 

[belljr]

My favorite argument in this whole thread was we should get out more or read more social media.

Just because it happens on social media doesn't making it right

We should also as AI

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My kid’s ff team includes Chase Brown and he made his team logo (on espn) a cop and his team name is “I Chase Brown Kids”. I think it’s potentially offensive to some people (and just not funny) and suggested he change it. He thinks it’s funny and says all of his friends think so too. He thinks it’s a generational difference because I’m over 50 and he’s 21. I’m curious how this board feels about it.

It's not funny, it's racist

We have a young man in one of my leagues who named his team "Your Mom's Box" which I find terribly rude and unfunny but I'm sure a couple of you will chuckle, all good

-My son named his team "Marino Royale" and he's never seen Marino throw a pass

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

That’s reasonable. The reason I’m bringing this up here is because like 80s points out, this is likely deeper than a FF joke by a kid. I’m explaining this in what is likely its broader context. I don’t particularly enjoy this, but this strikes me as right-coded and OP ought to be aware.

You’ve gone way into the political waters (AGAIN).

Do you want to know why younger men are acting the way they do? It’s a direct response to over the top, melodramatic, overly intellectual, overly sensitive people pushing their ideals onto others - all while insulting their intelligence at every turn.

That’s what’s causing this.

It won’t be necessary for you to respond to this post in your usual manner which is to chastise me for what I believe and say something odd like you’re used to it because to spent time in this bizzaro extreme right version of Washington DC that I myself have never experience in my 48 years living exactly 12 miles from the White House.


Also…… who gets into it with ChiefsD??? Dude is one of if not the absolute nicest person this board has ever had.

 

[Northern Voice]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

That’s reasonable. The reason I’m bringing this up here is because like 80s points out, this is likely deeper than a FF joke by a kid. I’m explaining this in what is likely its broader context. I don’t particularly enjoy this, but this strikes me as right-coded and OP ought to be aware.

You’ve gone way into the political waters (AGAIN).

Do you want to know why younger men are acting the way they do? It’s a direct response to over the top, melodramatic, overly intellectual, overly sensitive people pushing their ideals onto others - all while insulting their intelligence at every turn.

That’s what’s causing this.

Won't someone please think of the children, they're not even allowed to say the N-word or the R-word any more. Except now they can. In abundance.

 

[Psychopav]

OK, nearly all of us old (mostly) men don’t like the name. And @rockaction thinks it reflects a more concerning ideological undercurrent, at least in a subset of youngins. Armed with this knowledge, what should we do?

I would have a candid talk with my son about how this can be found offensive by many people, and how written word is different in substance than spoken word. It would be bad if he were to talk this way in private among his close friends. It is unacceptable in public and in writing. Even if he adamantly thinks it's inoffensive here and now, it will stay around for a long time and could even come back to haunt him some time in the future. That could be because his perspective on what is offensive changes, or because people's perspectives in general change, because he finds himself in a personal friendship with someone who is offended by this (for example, maybe there are minorities in the league now or in the future who don't see things his way), etc.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just because it happens on social media doesn't making it right

He wasn't saying it's "right". He pointed out a movement taking place among young males that could be applicable to the OP's son and his group of friends.

I would imagine social media would be an appropriate place to ascertain the thoughts and what's happening among the youth of this world - where else do they hang out? The Mall?

 

[Psychopav]

Also you can't make the 21 year old kid do anything. But if he didn't listen to me, I'd sleep with his mom.

 

[rockaction]

I was talking about what ChiefD told me and also what fruity pebbles was saying he'd tell an adult.

Fwiw, i hope most of us get what your point is; i appreciate hearing the perspective. Ftr, i think its pretty clear chief didnt. Just as you missed or decided to leave out that fruity wasnt telling adults what to do you- hes specifically said telling his son (adult or otherwise) what to do- thats what parents do.

And ftr, Id be having a serious discussion with my kids if either of them thought this kind of thing was a good idea.

I got that it was fruity’s kid and didn’t really leave it out—I was responding to both Chief and fruity so no blanket statement will ever be completely on point.

But I can appreciate it if Chief missed my point. I won’t spend years being sore about it. I dealt with this all the time in my twenties. I can deal with it and dust myself off.

You said what hed tell an adult, not what hed tell his kid. So yeah, in this realm of written words, you left it out. I only respond because telling randos what to do is far, far different than your kid.

Jeez man you don’t have to drop in on every conversation

I didn't drop in on anything. I commented in here before you did. I resent this whole comment. It's completely arrogant.

I was going to comment...you do take specific discussions and make generalized segues from them to support things youre interested in pretty regularly. Has a tendency to disrupt the specific conversation towards your own personal goal. Ive found it frustrating at times and tbh, annoying if im part of a discussion thats getting take over into a different direction...so i have a feeling that kight where chief is coming from.

Im not telling you what to do (lol) but i always wonder and wish that youd start a separate thread(s) for this kind of stuff instead of taking over the original ones. Will allow the important general conversation for that, but also allow the specific and important conversation to persist for the op or those discussing the ops point or question.

That’s reasonable. The reason I’m bringing this up here is because like 80s points out, this is likely deeper than a FF joke by a kid. I’m explaining this in what is likely its broader context. I don’t particularly enjoy this, but this strikes me as right-coded and OP ought to be aware.

You’ve gone way into the political waters (AGAIN).

Do you want to know why younger men are acting the way they do? It’s a direct response to over the top, melodramatic, overly intellectual, overly sensitive people pushing their ideals onto others - all while insulting their intelligence at every turn.

That’s what’s causing this.

It won’t be necessary for you to respond to this post in your usual manner which is to chastise me for what I believe and say something odd like you’re used to it because to spent time in this bizzaro extreme right version of Washington DC that I myself have never experience in my 48 years living exactly 12 miles from the White House.


Also…… who gets into it with ChiefsD??? Dude is one of if not the absolute nicest person this board has ever had.

That you'd see fit to post this is stunning. You've seen fit to involve yourself in matters that, frankly, you should be using discretion and circumspection before launching into your opinion aboiut what I've said. It seems intrusive and untoward, but you've done it, so here goes:

First, I am not getting into political waters to get political—it was a backdrop to help the OP understand where his kid might be coming from. That's pretty benign. And what strikes me as ironic is that you're the one always involving people in debates and issues culled from arguments that are straight from the MAGA-a-day calendar.

Second, young men are indeed acting this way in response to the melodramatic, PC, tut-tutters that they rightfully suss out hate them. That you'd say they dislike people like me is both ironic and completely wrong. I've been those kids, STEADY. But it was thirty years ago. I know them and their grievances and what they read and their mental state and their longings, etc . . . that's so funny that you'd say that because that's exactly how I wound up where you see fit to insult and question me regarding . . .

my experience in DC (I lived in Maryland, actually, but I worked in D.C. and spent a ton of time there with friends and a co-habitation arrangement with my then-girlfriend) I think it's odd that you imply that because you lived close but never saw or experienced what I did, that it's likely false or something (I have no idea what you're implying). So I'll just say that you never saw that world because usually you need an invite. Dig? You didn't have one, dude.

Fourth, ChiefD don't like me, and I don't necessarily care for him. Read that post (fifteen) and tell me if you let people speak to you that way. Chief has a way of shutting down conversations and declaring **** true, not true, or off the table for discussion. You might not have picked up on it, but that's not me, that's your powers of discernment.

Lastly, you're fine by me but you're a raw nerve that pops off, which is fine by me because I am actually pretty tolerant when all is said and done. The grief I get from many different personality types is amusing because I spend my time with all these different types of people and it always seems the more high-strung ones think that I'm judgmental. It cuts across politics, class, sex, race, you name it. The ironic thing is if they'd relax a bit and listen they wouldn't jump to these conclusions. Their (your) stressors and hang-ups aren't my burden, man. If you would like to keep conversing, then that is fine. If you keep conversing adversarially, I'm just going to rebut and then ignore.

I hope you choose the former.

Peace