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The Commish
Footballguy
On the special master appointment, I doubt it does any harm to the investigation. The biggest harm would be the delay but considering we’re about to hit that 60 day window prior to elections that DOJ doesn’t want to do anything political, I don’t think that will matter either.
I think they will still appeal it because of how bad it is and potential for creating unwanted precedences. I think it would be worth it even to just rebuke this judge to show how bad the opinion was.
But with news of him having the nuclear information for a foreign country, it’s tough to know what the next move is. It’s hard to believe he’s still free even as FPOTUS. There’s no reason for him to have those documents that isn’t highly criminal. Either he sold them, shared them or planned to share them with a foreign country.
I think they will still appeal it because of how bad it is and potential for creating unwanted precedences. I think it would be worth it even to just rebuke this judge to show how bad the opinion was.
But with news of him having the nuclear information for a foreign country, it’s tough to know what the next move is. It’s hard to believe he’s still free even as FPOTUS. There’s no reason for him to have those documents that isn’t highly criminal. Either he sold them, shared them or planned to share them with a foreign country.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I will wait to see this confirmed. If true yeah…no way not to indict him.
moleculo
Footballguy
So, it probably doesn't need to be said, but this is the kind of stuff that can jack up our alliances for generations. Irreparable harm to US foreign policies and standings. The mere implications of that info be in unsecured - how could any other friendly country trust us?
Pretend it's details on Israel and their defense capability. Why would any country ever trust us, knowing the probability of reflecting Trump, or someone sympathetic to him, would treat your most important secrets like CVS receipts?
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Considering 18 months have passed we would be in the custody of God by now.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well of course. Why try to participate when you can laugh instead.
(HULK)
(Smash)
The stuff described in the article would fetch a pretty penny on the black market imo
I’m sure that we will start hearing about the leak of this information. The assumption is that it’s either the Trump team or the FBI but the third option would be source on the inside that led to this search. Speculation has been a family member or secret service. One of authors of this piece is Carol Leonnig who has broken several of the recent USSS text scandals. It’s possible that one of the USSS knew this was there and that it was taken by the feds.
zoonation
Footballguy
Amazing. You laugh at others but tell yourself (and us) a fantastical story based on 100% pure conjecture.It is probably Iran and likely related to the Iran Nuclear Deal. Which would not contain any Restricted Data since it is not OUR nuclear program, therefore the docs could be declassified by Trump.
But ambiguous "nuclear secrets" sounds scary and will get the same mob who fell for Russia collusion worked into a frenzy while also giving the media clickbait headlines so they can make a few bucks, distract the masses, and influence the 2022 midterms.
This explains myreactions to some of the posts above. I understand hating Trump but a little bit of inquisitiveness or rational thinking towards the never ending links to propaganda outlets like WaPo would go a long way towards making this board a bit less toxic.
It is probably Iran and likely related to the Iran Nuclear Deal. Which would not contain any Restricted Data since it is not OUR nuclear program, therefore the docs could be declassified by Trump.
But ambiguous "nuclear secrets" sounds scary and will get the same mob who fell for Russia collusion worked into a frenzy while also giving the media clickbait headlines so they can make a few bucks, distract the masses, and influence the 2022 midterms.
This explains my
Yeah on your theory about it being Iran and that makes it innocent. How about the methods and means of getting that information? What if we have someone inside their government or using top secret techniques to get information about the program. That’s still information that Trump can’t uniformly declassify. Which is something that he lawyers aren’t even claiming in court.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
See, this is one of the problems in the PSF.Well of course. Why try to participate when you can laugh instead.
That Trump would have something like this sitting on his desk is pretty much “laugh or you’ll cry” type stuff. If one of my friends told me about this instead of my reading it here I would probably laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of it.
But if someone puts a laugh emoji here? Off the deep end we go …lol
So your take is the poster using the emoji was making fun of Trump not the post(er)? From the history, I think that's a stretch --See, this is one of the problems in the PSF.Well of course. Why try to participate when you can laugh instead.
That Trump would have something like this sitting on his desk is pretty much “laugh or you’ll cry” type stuff. If one of my friends told me about this instead of my reading it here I would probably laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of it.
But if someone puts a laugh emoji here? Off the deep end we go …lol
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
It’s destroyed already because the majority of the GOP continues to embrace him instead of holding him accountable. Look at how many republicans are running or holding office still promoting the election fraud lie. Millions of Americans now don't believe elections aren't legitimate. It's over.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Those two comments are hardly "off the deep end".See, this is one of the problems in the PSF.Well of course. Why try to participate when you can laugh instead.
That Trump would have something like this sitting on his desk is pretty much “laugh or you’ll cry” type stuff. If one of my friends told me about this instead of my reading it here I would probably laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of it.
But if someone puts a laugh emoji here? Off the deep end we go …lol
And as Bozeman explained...he wasn't in the laugh or cry because its so bad type of thing.
Also...why add the bolded? Is anyone claiming it was just sitting on his desk? So again...its easier to make it something others aren't actually saying and mock it than really address how bad it possibly is for Trump.
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massraider
Footballguy
If you have ANY facts to back ANY of this up, now is the time to share them.
You don't, but if you DID, now would be the time to share them.
whoknew
Footballguy
For those who want a deep dive into the legal issues of the Court's special master ruling, (as usual) Lawfare did a great pod on it.
www.lawfareblog.com
The Lawfare Podcast: About That Special Master Ruling
Monday afternoon, a federal judge in Florida acceded to Donald Trump's motion to appoint a special master to review privilege claims arising out of the Mar-a-Lago search. The ruling was not a particular surprise given that the judge had foreshadowed that it was coming, but it shocked observers...
timschochet
Footballguy
If it IS Iran, and it includes locations where they’re building nuclear weapons that may eventually be targeted by us or the Israelis, I would hope such info would remain classified and top secret.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I understand where you are coming from and posted the very same info early on in this thread. But that law arguably runs counter to an earlier Supreme Court decision, and that was without the current "find a way", "results oriented" court we have now.
Navy vs. Egan (1988)
moleculo
Footballguy
I thought you had everyone on ignore?It is probably Iran and likely related to the Iran Nuclear Deal. Which would not contain any Restricted Data since it is not OUR nuclear program, therefore the docs could be declassified by Trump.
But ambiguous "nuclear secrets" sounds scary and will get the same mob who fell for Russia collusion worked into a frenzy while also giving the media clickbait headlines so they can make a few bucks, distract the masses, and influence the 2022 midterms.
This explains my
Amused to Death
Footballguy
What does it matter what its about? They're classified documents that he's not allowed to have. They were never declassified, nor should they be - by anyone.
Zow
Footballguy
As we have discussed many pages ago in this thread, there is a simple explanation that is probably not "highly criminal": Trump is an egomaniac who took them simply because he thought he could and he could then use them to impress people. He seems, at least to me, like the very type of guy who would generally think that being president is like being king and therefore nothing is off limits to you. Then, he gets mad because he loses the election, so he takes some TS documents at a time when he thought he could.
There's also a valid theory - though it would likely be considered highly criminal - that he took them as some sort of leverage against the 1/6 investigation.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Trump's own lawyers have not even gone the route that he declassified anything anyway
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It is interesting to see Republicans that are completely unconcerned about Trump's mishandling of classified documents and obstruction in getting them returned.
I guess when Biden leaves they'll be cool if he (and every ex-president from now on) does the same. Just grab whatever docs you want, store them anywhere you would like, and if the National Archives tries to get them back just stall and lie about it.
Zow
Footballguy
Well, I guess then we're getting into the semantics of defining "highly criminal" as such a phrase isn't an actual legal term.
From my perspective, I was defining "highly criminal" as being a homonym for "evil." As such, and in contrast to possessing the TS documents to share with our enemies and knowingly jeopardize military/clandestine operatives of ours across the word, him being an egomaniac and simply taking the documents because he believed he could to show his wealthy buddies isn't "evil."
bigbottom
Footballguy
Let’s assume you are correct and Trump was in possession of files related to the Iran nuclear deal. A few questions:
1) Why do you think Trump would take files relating to the Iran nuclear deal? Since your assertion is that these are probably what they are, I assume you have a theory as to why Trump would take those specific files. What is that theory?
2) Again assuming that the files are related to the Iran nuclear deal as you suggest, do you believe that Trump has effectively declassified them? If so, how and when were they declassified? How come nobody seems to be aware of any attempted declassification of these particular files? Why aren’t his lawyers making the declassification argument in court?
3) Again assuming that the documents that Trump took are related to the Iran nuclear deal as you suggest, do you believe that he broke the law by taking them to Mar a Lago? If you were to argue that he has not broken the law by taking files relating to the Iran nuclear deal to Mar a Lago, what argument would you make?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
You're assuming consistency and honor with the GOP. Bad premise.
Bogart
Footballguy
I do not understand defending Trump at this point at any level. The goalposts have been pushed outside the stadium, across the parking lot and down the street.
They've been pushed off the end of the flat earth.
And most here NOW say they don't support Trump --so the only thing left is owning the libz --country be damned.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yeah I don't get this mentality of "he declassified them so its all good". Even if it was true - and its not - declassifying top secret docs would undo years of work gathering info and building trust with our allies, not to mention putting lives at risk.
But I guess the important thing is how pissed off you can make the libs! "Got him yet?"
Dickies
Footballguy
Let’s just say his theory is correct. What exactly does that change? He’s still in possession of classified documents that he shouldn’t be.
Zow
Footballguy
Of course I know it's criminal. I was trying to work within the framework of his relative term "highly criminal."
Zow
Footballguy
Of course. It's also quite criminal.
Zow
Footballguy
I don't think Trump either recognized the risk or believed it was risky. The last six years of him clearly demonstrates that he believes he's above most rules, regulations, and the law.
massraider
Footballguy
And also, really, there's only two explanations for Trump to steal documents:
1. To sell them
2. His picture was on them
I mean, is the concept that Trump would sell documents hard to believe? He shortchanges carpenters and painters, and stiffs attorneys to the point that he has attractive women from Coppertone Law School representing him.
He needs the money
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Time for a fourth Summit.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Let's not minimize the allure of Trump Tower Moscow or Trump Tower Pyongyang.
Yenrub
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Fixed that right up.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I've seen on video Biden, as president explicitly declassifying everything in the world about a week or so ag. So, he should be good for at least the documents that existed when he said this. Might have to do it again for newer ones.
