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It's been a great run Peyton - now enjoy retirement.. (1 Viewer)

Any chance he could go to Arizona and play with Bruce Arians, who was his QB coach in Indy? If Palmer doesn't recover quickly, they are going to need a QB and Manning should know the system.

 
Question is can he avoid a similar injury like this quad injury in the future. Or better question is what are his chances of doing it. Probably not that good. If he comes back it would be wise to take some time off during the year. Key is not to get best seed possible in the playoffs, rather get there healthy.

 
Dizzy said:
FreeBaGeL said:
I hate to be the bubble buster here, but those of you that keep saying the Broncos would be in trouble for not listing Peyton on the injury report with a thigh injury realize that Peyton WAS listed on the injury report with a thigh injury, right?

Peyton was listed as probable (thigh) on the week 16, week 17, and playoff injury reports.
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I believe the torn quad is the injury in question. But you are correct, the thigh injury was documented.

I was under the impression that teams were required by rule to report all injuries. A torn quad would certainly fall under that category.
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Of course, you guys are right in that it WAS reported. I think the people (myself included) asking for more is the "degree" of it.

It's like if the Patriots list Brady as Q with a "knee" and he plays. Then he has a terrible game or doesn't finish the game or something and then, after the fact, it is clarified that the vague "knee" issue was a torn PCL. That's a big difference in just saying "its a knee" and would definitely sway gambling and people's perspective in general.

It's like that Monty Python show where the knight guarding the bridge says it merely a flesh wound after the guy cuts his arm off. It's clearly much more significant than what is reported and that's the issue. The intent of the rule is to be clear in reporting injuries and these are a sham. In a league where the NFL is so technical and by the letter that Dez Bryant didn't catch a football because he basically didn't end the play cradling it like a baby, you would think the NFL would be more strigent in knowing if one of their biggest players in a playoff game was correctly listed by the franchise.

 
I really wouldn't rule out Elway parting ways with Peyton due to his physical limitations. You have to know that Elway was watching that game thinking that he could still throw the ball 50yds on a rope with his feet up on a bar stool. Peyton just doesn't have an arm at this point and one slight injury to any part of his body completely changes the gameplan. The risk of letting Peyton walk is potentially devastating as I don't think Osweiller is mentally ready or will ever be ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, but Elway seems to like him and his arm. However, this is definitely not the year to go fishing for a franchise QB so this is going to be a tough decision to keep him or let him go and invest in resigning some offensive weapons (Thomas and Thomas) for the long term. 19 mil is just a lot to invest in a guy who hasn't won you the big one and is now another year older, weaker, slower, and will take even longer to recover if he gets knicked up again.

I love Peyton and what he has meant to the game of football and fantasy football, but it's time to walk away with his head held high and see what he can do as a coach or commentator.

 
Rookie_Whisperer said:
I really wouldn't rule out Elway parting ways with Peyton due to his physical limitations. You have to know that Elway was watching that game thinking that he could still throw the ball 50yds on a rope with his feet up on a bar stool. Peyton just doesn't have an arm at this point and one slight injury to any part of his body completely changes the gameplan. The risk of letting Peyton walk is potentially devastating as I don't think Osweiller is mentally ready or will ever be ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, but Elway seems to like him and his arm. However, this is definitely not the year to go fishing for a franchise QB so this is going to be a tough decision to keep him or let him go and invest in resigning some offensive weapons (Thomas and Thomas) for the long term. 19 mil is just a lot to invest in a guy who hasn't won you the big one and is now another year older, weaker, slower, and will take even longer to recover if he gets knicked up again.

I love Peyton and what he has meant to the game of football and fantasy football, but it's time to walk away with his head held high and see what he can do as a coach or commentator.
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I'm not really sure what I want to happen at this point, or what gives Denver the best chance to compete next season, but I still like you're post. Classy post.

 
Rookie_Whisperer said:
I really wouldn't rule out Elway parting ways with Peyton due to his physical limitations. You have to know that Elway was watching that game thinking that he could still throw the ball 50yds on a rope with his feet up on a bar stool. Peyton just doesn't have an arm at this point and one slight injury to any part of his body completely changes the gameplan. The risk of letting Peyton walk is potentially devastating as I don't think Osweiller is mentally ready or will ever be ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, but Elway seems to like him and his arm. However, this is definitely not the year to go fishing for a franchise QB so this is going to be a tough decision to keep him or let him go and invest in resigning some offensive weapons (Thomas and Thomas) for the long term. 19 mil is just a lot to invest in a guy who hasn't won you the big one and is now another year older, weaker, slower, and will take even longer to recover if he gets knicked up again.

I love Peyton and what he has meant to the game of football and fantasy football, but it's time to walk away with his head held high and see what he can do as a coach or commentator.
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What concerned me more than arm strength is lack of accuracy throwing it more than 30 yards.

 
JohnnyU said:
Rookie_Whisperer said:
I really wouldn't rule out Elway parting ways with Peyton due to his physical limitations. You have to know that Elway was watching that game thinking that he could still throw the ball 50yds on a rope with his feet up on a bar stool. Peyton just doesn't have an arm at this point and one slight injury to any part of his body completely changes the gameplan. The risk of letting Peyton walk is potentially devastating as I don't think Osweiller is mentally ready or will ever be ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, but Elway seems to like him and his arm. However, this is definitely not the year to go fishing for a franchise QB so this is going to be a tough decision to keep him or let him go and invest in resigning some offensive weapons (Thomas and Thomas) for the long term. 19 mil is just a lot to invest in a guy who hasn't won you the big one and is now another year older, weaker, slower, and will take even longer to recover if he gets knicked up again.

I love Peyton and what he has meant to the game of football and fantasy football, but it's time to walk away with his head held high and see what he can do as a coach or commentator.
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What concerned me more than arm strength is lack of accuracy throwing it more than 30 yards.
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True. His accuracy was atrocious. But I think it's arm strength related. He knows the arm strength is gone, so he puts everything he has into these throws, and with so many moving parts, the accuracy is bound to suffer.

 
thatguy said:
JohnnyU said:
Rookie_Whisperer said:
I really wouldn't rule out Elway parting ways with Peyton due to his physical limitations. You have to know that Elway was watching that game thinking that he could still throw the ball 50yds on a rope with his feet up on a bar stool. Peyton just doesn't have an arm at this point and one slight injury to any part of his body completely changes the gameplan. The risk of letting Peyton walk is potentially devastating as I don't think Osweiller is mentally ready or will ever be ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, but Elway seems to like him and his arm. However, this is definitely not the year to go fishing for a franchise QB so this is going to be a tough decision to keep him or let him go and invest in resigning some offensive weapons (Thomas and Thomas) for the long term. 19 mil is just a lot to invest in a guy who hasn't won you the big one and is now another year older, weaker, slower, and will take even longer to recover if he gets knicked up again.

I love Peyton and what he has meant to the game of football and fantasy football, but it's time to walk away with his head held high and see what he can do as a coach or commentator.
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What concerned me more than arm strength is lack of accuracy throwing it more than 30 yards.
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True. His accuracy was atrocious. But I think it's arm strength related. He knows the arm strength is gone, so he puts everything he has into these throws, and with so many moving parts, the accuracy is bound to suffer.
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Manning has been playing lob ball the entire year - accurate lob ball, but still lobbing it for the WR to run under. That crap just doesn't work against top teams. If you can't zip the ball to small windows you generally don't win in the postseason. The Packers, Pariots, Seahawks all would have done the same thing as the Colts - all four teams have pretty good corners that can be left on islands with the top WRs.

It's over. I just hope he realizes it and retires before it gets really ugly, or he gets seriously hurt.

 
Rookie Wisperer great post but I'm interested in your take on Osweiller. Why do you think he's not ready or won't ever be ready to be a starting QB? I don't follow Broncos at all. Are there reports Thats he not very good in practice? I honestly don't think I've seen him play more than 20 snaps in any real game.

 
mr roboto said:
Rookie Wisperer great post but I'm interested in your take on Osweiller. Why do you think he's not ready or won't ever be ready to be a starting QB? I don't follow Broncos at all. Are there reports Thats he not very good in practice? I honestly don't think I've seen him play more than 20 snaps in any real game.
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Never say, "never" I guess, but I haven't seen anything resembling a starting NFL QB in anything he has done up until now, and it's not like he came in to the league as a can't miss prospect. It was hard to tell anything during the season but he certainly wasn't preparing to be the starter as he looked completely lost when he did get in the game. And preseason his feet looked slow, the delivery was a little slow, and the limited time he played against the 2s and 3s he didn't make great decisions. I suppose he could be a poor man's Joe Flacco with some time (again, only from what I've seen and this is only my opinion) but the downside has yet to be seen.He does have a gun though, but that doesn't always equal success.

As for negative practice reports, I didn't see any. There was one interview with Elway during minicamps where he was really talking him up, but nothing that I saw on him after that.

 
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It's not the arm.

Maybe it's been mentioned but when he had that wide open green field and 30 yards free in front of him on 3rd down and maybe 5 yards to go for a first if he just trotted forward, he declined and decided to throw a window sized sideline pass downfield to Sanders.... that to me was a bad sign.

 
FUBAR said:
Faust said:
Peyton Manning still uncertain about Broncos future
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Obviously he isn't saying a whole lot.

Gotta believe Elway won't hire a coach until Peyton tells him what he's doing.

Also gotta believe Elway wants to know soon but probably isn't pressuring PM much.
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Doubt it.

PM's probably holding out to see what happens with his FA receivers...

Don't think Elway's holding off that far. Read that Kubiak is interviewing today - really think he would wait close to two months to see if Peyton retires?

I just hope PM doesn't pull a Favre

 
FUBAR said:
Gotta believe Elway won't hire a coach until Peyton tells him what he's doing.
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highly doubt that. Elway may take 'input' from Peyton but he's not going to let Manning hold the team hostage. signs point to Kubiak being the next Denver HC--which brings an interesting question of how a statuesque QB like Manning fits in Kubes' offense known for moving its QB around.

 
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Buffaloes said:
FUBAR said:
Gotta believe Elway won't hire a coach until Peyton tells him what he's doing.
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highly doubt that. Elway may take 'input' from Peyton but he's not going to let Manning hold the team hostage. signs point to Kubiak being the next Denver HC--which brings an interesting question of how a statuesque QB like Manning fits in Kubes' offense known for moving its QB around.
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Shaub and Flacco aren't all that mobile. Perhaps compared to Manning, but still.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Buffaloes said:
FUBAR said:
Gotta believe Elway won't hire a coach until Peyton tells him what he's doing.
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highly doubt that. Elway may take 'input' from Peyton but he's not going to let Manning hold the team hostage. signs point to Kubiak being the next Denver HC--which brings an interesting question of how a statuesque QB like Manning fits in Kubes' offense known for moving its QB around.
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Shaub and Flacco aren't all that mobile. Perhaps compared to Manning, but still.
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Thry can both move faster than an old cripple on a bootleg...
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Buffaloes said:
FUBAR said:
Gotta believe Elway won't hire a coach until Peyton tells him what he's doing.
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highly doubt that. Elway may take 'input' from Peyton but he's not going to let Manning hold the team hostage. signs point to Kubiak being the next Denver HC--which brings an interesting question of how a statuesque QB like Manning fits in Kubes' offense known for moving its QB around.
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Shaub and Flacco aren't all that mobile. Perhaps compared to Manning, but still.
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Manning's mobility is like if you took Drew Bledsoe and put cement boots on him

 
Peyton had I think a 2 or 3 yard run earlier this season and I remember them saying it was his first positive rush in nearly 2 years. The only other one I remember was his 1 yard TD on a bootleg where the entire defense bought on the play fake. That was two years ago.

 
I don't expect to hear if Manning will hange 'em up until late Febuary. The only real deadline is the start of free agency - I'd anticipate the Broncos need an answer by then. If he's done, they get about $16m in slarary cap and a QB roster position to fill.

 
Ghost Rider said:
You mean Manning who was playing with a torn quad? Good observation. :lol:
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I don't think he had a torn quad to be honest. The team denied it immediately, and he didn't show nearly the pain that a torn quad would cause when he was on the field. Not saying he wasn't hurt at all, but don't think it was that bad. Think he's just near the end.

 
Ghost Rider said:
You mean Manning who was playing with a torn quad? Good observation. :lol:
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I'm not sure I buy this, and if it was true wtf was he doing trying to pad his stats on a torn quad throwing 3x at the GL in the 3rd quarter week 17 vs Oakland when the game was in hand?

 
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The Denver Post's Woody Paige reports Peyton Manning plans to return to the Broncos in 2015.


Paige isn't a Broncos beat writer, but has a long history in the Denver area and cites "three trustworthy sources." As long as Manning passes his annual spring physical and informs the team prior to March 9, he should be back for another run at the Super Bowl in 2015 under new coach Gary Kubiak. Kubiak and GM John Elway have both publicly voiced their support for Manning's return.
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Somehow I can't see Peyton as a coach. He comes off to me as a perfectionist to the point where he will lose his mind trying to control a roster full of kids who aren't as perfectionist as he is. I think he'd burn out quickly if he tried.

 
Riversco said:
Somehow I can't see Peyton as a coach. He comes off to me as a perfectionist to the point where he will lose his mind trying to control a roster full of kids who aren't as perfectionist as he is. I think he'd burn out quickly if he tried.
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You're probably right. Not many top players become good coaches.

 
Riversco said:
Somehow I can't see Peyton as a coach. He comes off to me as a perfectionist to the point where he will lose his mind trying to control a roster full of kids who aren't as perfectionist as he is. I think he'd burn out quickly if he tried.
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I think if he's a coach in preseason and more manager than coach during the season, he could be. Many NFL coaches do this.

I hear what you're saying-it reminds me of Bird and Magic when they tried coaching in hoops. That's why I figure Peyton could not be an OC.

The way I see it, he obviously can break down film better than most and knows the game better than most where he can make adjustments. Him saying what he sees and having his position coaches instill these things...that, maybe that, could work.

 
Bri said:
Riversco said:
Somehow I can't see Peyton as a coach. He comes off to me as a perfectionist to the point where he will lose his mind trying to control a roster full of kids who aren't as perfectionist as he is. I think he'd burn out quickly if he tried.
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I think if he's a coach in preseason and more manager than coach during the season, he could be. Many NFL coaches do this.

I hear what you're saying-it reminds me of Bird and Magic when they tried coaching in hoops. That's why I figure Peyton could not be an OC.

The way I see it, he obviously can break down film better than most and knows the game better than most where he can make adjustments. Him saying what he sees and having his position coaches instill these things...that, maybe that, could work.
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He could be an OC if he was working with a QB as dedicated as he is. I think if he had say Nick Foles (a fellow statue) as his QB he could design an offense to work and coach him to succeed in it.

The difference between Bird/Magic and Peyton is that Bird/Magic had special physical skills that they couldn't make other players have but Peyton's success is mostly mental so he could teach that to someone.

 
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Raider Nation said:
This Colts "defense" completely dominated Manning last week. LOL.
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I wouldn't say the defense dominated him. The coordinator drew up a game plan that recognized the arm strength and accuracy limitations caused by his injured quad. But Manning still had a lot of open guys. He just missed them; a fully healthy Manning (Manning of the first 8 games) would have sliced and diced that defense. I guess if anything I'd say the Colts defensive gameplan was perfect and well executed, but the defensive players didn't do anything particularly special or dominating. They gave Manning plenty of chances. He just couldn't capitalize.

 
thatguy said:
Raider Nation said:
This Colts "defense" completely dominated Manning last week. LOL.
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I wouldn't say the defense dominated him. The coordinator drew up a game plan that recognized the arm strength and accuracy limitations caused by his injured quad. But Manning still had a lot of open guys. He just missed them; a fully healthy Manning (Manning of the first 8 games) would have sliced and diced that defense. I guess if anything I'd say the Colts defensive gameplan was perfect and well executed, but the defensive players didn't do anything particularly special or dominating. They gave Manning plenty of chances. He just couldn't capitalize.
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That grimace of anguish on Sanders' face after Manning missed him streaking toward the endzone, behind the defense, AGAIN, was very telling.

 
cstu said:
Bri said:
Riversco said:
Somehow I can't see Peyton as a coach. He comes off to me as a perfectionist to the point where he will lose his mind trying to control a roster full of kids who aren't as perfectionist as he is. I think he'd burn out quickly if he tried.
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I think if he's a coach in preseason and more manager than coach during the season, he could be. Many NFL coaches do this.

I hear what you're saying-it reminds me of Bird and Magic when they tried coaching in hoops. That's why I figure Peyton could not be an OC.

The way I see it, he obviously can break down film better than most and knows the game better than most where he can make adjustments. Him saying what he sees and having his position coaches instill these things...that, maybe that, could work.
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He could be an OC if he was working with a QB as dedicated as he is. I think if he had say Nick Foles (a fellow statue) as his QB he could design an offense to work and coach him to succeed in it.

The difference between Bird/Magic and Peyton is that Bird/Magic had special physical skills that they couldn't make other players have but Peyton's success is mostly mental so he could teach that to someone.
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bird was coach of the year

 
12punch said:
cstu said:
Bri said:
Riversco said:
Somehow I can't see Peyton as a coach. He comes off to me as a perfectionist to the point where he will lose his mind trying to control a roster full of kids who aren't as perfectionist as he is. I think he'd burn out quickly if he tried.
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I think if he's a coach in preseason and more manager than coach during the season, he could be. Many NFL coaches do this.

I hear what you're saying-it reminds me of Bird and Magic when they tried coaching in hoops. That's why I figure Peyton could not be an OC.

The way I see it, he obviously can break down film better than most and knows the game better than most where he can make adjustments. Him saying what he sees and having his position coaches instill these things...that, maybe that, could work.
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He could be an OC if he was working with a QB as dedicated as he is. I think if he had say Nick Foles (a fellow statue) as his QB he could design an offense to work and coach him to succeed in it.

The difference between Bird/Magic and Peyton is that Bird/Magic had special physical skills that they couldn't make other players have but Peyton's success is mostly mental so he could teach that to someone.
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bird was coach of the year
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Ahh, forgot about that:

97-98: 58-24 (lost EC Finals to Bulls)

98-99 (Lockout Season): 33-17 (Lost EC Finals to Knicks)

99-2000: 56-26 (Lost NBA Finals to Lakers)

Total W-L: 147-67

Another thing to consider is whether after such a long career he'd want to continue the grind of a NFL season as coach. I think that's what made Bird leave coaching, although the NBA schedule is a lot longer than the NFL.

 
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Exactly. He knows that a SB is out of the question. The only thing left for him is to pad his stats.
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Can't say I agree. Went to the SB last year and have a great chance of beating any team other than Seattle who was just a horrible matchup nightmare for them.

This year, obviously worse.

I know some agree, some may not, but losing John Fox is a major addition by subtraction in my book. Never liked him at all.

If, and it's a big if I realize, Manning stays healthy the entire year and postseason, I absolutely think they can get to the super bowl. Can they win it? Sure, if you can get there, you can win it. Some teams are bad matchups for them though, just like Seattle last year and would have been again this year.

Manning looked bad to end the season and couldnt hit any passes downfield against the Colts when guys were open. I don't know if that was due to injury or if he all of a sudden just sucks now. I have to think it's more likley he was hurt than all of a sudden he went from stud to dud out of nowhere.

Hell, maybe next year they could even rest his ### a couple times during the year when they are like 6-1 or something.

So now, I definitely can not agree that a super bowl is "out of the question". It's a longshot, but longshots happen enough in sports for me to think one of the best Qbs of all time could string a few good games together in the postseason, even though he is way past his prime.

 
I would agree though that his main motivation for coming back would be for the records, and I see nothing wrong with that at all.

 
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