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Jason Whitlock Pummels Todd Haley (1 Viewer)

Sounds like a 15 year boy talking about the girl who just broke-up with him...the fact he says he's still a bad coach even if wins a title is all you need to know...he doesn't like Haley personally and nothing will change his mind...even results.

 
What, specifically, do you people have against Whitlock? Serious question; I only read him occasionally.

 
Whitlock is blunt and many are uncomfortable with that.

I just read the piece and -as usual- am smarter because of the perspective he offers. one of my favorite columnists.

 
Whitlock can be abrasive but he also can hit the nail on the head. Given his ties to the KC area and the fact I also thougt party foul when Weis suddenly jumped ship and started a thread on it....yeah I believe Whitlock.

 
buster c said:
Whitlock is blunt and many are uncomfortable with that. I just read the piece and -as usual- am smarter because of the perspective he offers. one of my favorite columnists.
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I feel pretty much the same way. That's why I'm wondering why so many people seem to hate the guy.I see a lot of you calling him a racist. How about some examples of this?
 
the guy attacts blacks and whites alike - I dont see any racism . . .

reminds me when someone accused Harry Caray of being racist when he mispronunced hispanics' names - someone retorted "wait a minute - he mispronounces EVERYONE'S name!"

 
duaneok66 said:
the guy attacts blacks and whites alike - I dont see any racism . . .

reminds me when someone accused Harry Caray of being racist when he mispronunced hispanics' names - someone retorted "wait a minute - he mispronounces EVERYONE'S name!"
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:goodposting: He is not racist at all.

Here he is bashing LeBron and calling Al Sharpton a hypocritical extremist.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Jesse-J...mparison-071210

I think those crying "racist" have some explaining to do.

 
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Based on reading the same thread on Chiefs Planet, I think alot of the people don't like him because he comes off as just as egotistical as Pioli. He said last year he was upset about not having the access to the chiefs, then today at Chiefs Planet says Pioli gladly went to private DinnerS with him, and he had 10 times more access to him and Haley that he ever wanted/had with Carl Peterson Regime. Then goes on to recall a ONE dinner incident in which alot of the KC Sports Reporters were in attendance. hardly private, and hardly the exclusive access he tried to portray.

 
I notice I don't see anyone telling us what a great coach Haley is, just some vague insults toward Whitlock.

Is Whitlock right? Did the Chiefs cruise through a cake schedule?

 
massraider said:
I notice I don't see anyone telling us what a great coach Haley is, just some vague insults toward Whitlock. Is Whitlock right? Did the Chiefs cruise through a cake schedule?
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For me I think its too early to tell if Haley has been a great HC or he has an amazing supporting cast in Crennel and Weis, along with some great drafts the last few years. I think for me time will tell over the next few years.I think the Weis departure has much more to do with him wanting autonomy to run his offense than it does his desire to work with his kid. It will be interesting to see who they bring in, how the draft goes, and what happens next year. So I will reserve judgement for now and say im excited about the direction the team is heading and think things are definitely looking positive for the future and our return to AFC West Dominance (I know it doesnt mean what it did in the 90's early 00's)
 
Whitlock is absolutely correct in calling out Haley for his handling of Charles/Jones playing time. I say that as someone who watched every chiefs game this year. I have no idea how accurate the rest of his claims are, but there's nothing in the article to make me question Whitlock's integrity. It's a rough assessment of Haley, but that comes with the job of being coach.....and there's no crying in football.

 
PitbullTD said:
massraider said:
I notice I don't see anyone telling us what a great coach Haley is, just some vague insults toward Whitlock. Is Whitlock right? Did the Chiefs cruise through a cake schedule?
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For me I think its too early to tell if Haley has been a great HC or he has an amazing supporting cast in Crennel and Weis, along with some great drafts the last few years. I think for me time will tell over the next few years.I think the Weis departure has much more to do with him wanting autonomy to run his offense than it does his desire to work with his kid. It will be interesting to see who they bring in, how the draft goes, and what happens next year. So I will reserve judgement for now and say im excited about the direction the team is heading and think things are definitely looking positive for the future and our return to AFC West Dominance (I know it doesnt mean what it did in the 90's early 00's)
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Weis probably left because he wants a HC job, and there are plenty of them available in the NFL and college...his name has been mentioned as Urbanator's replacement @ Florida..an OC job in the NFL is a demotion when compared to a HC job in college at a major university.. Josh McDaniels is a top pick to replace Weis in KC...that is, if he can smooth over the bad feelings left when he high-fived his way around the field the day the Broncos blew-out the Chiefs - when Haley refused to shake hands with him..
 
duaneok66 said:
the guy attacts blacks and whites alike - I dont see any racism . . . reminds me when someone accused Harry Caray of being racist when he mispronunced hispanics' names - someone retorted "wait a minute - he mispronounces EVERYONE'S name!"
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:) He did a scathing piece a few years ago, when the NBA All-Star game was held in Vegas ... basically assailing - "all the baby daddy's with their income tax refund money, or government assistance cash, descending on the town, and turning it into a sideshow of thuggery and buffoonery" ... not verbatim, but definitely capturing his screed's main point. I recall how he was lambasted as an "Uncle Tom" afterwards ... go figure.As far as this Haley article, I believe there is a modicum of truth under the vitriol. Guy shoots from the hip, critics be damned.
 
Racist? Hell no.

And I am very much in agreement with his views on Todd Haley. The fact that he force fed Thomas Jones all year had me wondering in amazement WTF was this guy doing?

Thomas Jones should have been giving Charles a rest every 3rd series. Jamal Charles is the best weapon on this team. Like other teams that have a great weapon (ADP, MJD, CJ3,) you feed the wolf till they are full.

One of the biggest mysteries this past season. Yeah they finished 10-6, but like the Dolphins in 2008 they had a cake walk schedule which will rear it's ugly head this Sunday against a veteran battle tested Ravens team. They have a ton of young talent and are in far better shape than the Dolphins were in 2008 but they are still very young and they still have a coach who has his team winning in spite of himself.

Very good read.

 
All those saying his handling of Charles was a disgrace. It worked. Had Charles played so much more this year they'd be going into the playoffs with Thomas Jones as their fresh back.

They made the playoffs whilst keeping Charles fresh. Fair play.

 
Donsmith753 said:
All those saying his handling of Charles was a disgrace. It worked. Had Charles played so much more this year they'd be going into the playoffs with Thomas Jones as their fresh back.They made the playoffs whilst keeping Charles fresh. Fair play.
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A team making the playoffs means that all their coaching decisions had to be correct? Really?? :goodposting:
 
Whitlock is brutally honest. America today doesn't like people like that. They'd rather have someone butter them up and blow sunshine and rainbows up their butts.

Whitlock IS NOT a racist! I've heard him gush frequently about players like Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and his best buddy Jeff George (he still campaigns for teams to give JG a shot!).

While not all of what he said about Haley can be seen as fair or accurate, a lot of it is and with Whitlock, we tend to see alot of his predictions come to fruition at some point down the road.

Haley is an arrogant SOB who rubbed his players the wrong way and it is also recorded on national media that he rubs his coaching staff the wrong way as well (he has gotten into verbal arguments with players and coaches on the sidelines and in practices). I believe the Chiefs are winning in spite of Haley. Weis is the OC and is calling the plays. Romeo is a helluva DC and is working his magic once again. Let's not forget that most of these players Haley is having success with are Herm Edwards picks!

It is being said that Pioli brought in Weis and Romeo in spite of Haley. I don't think Haley was fully onboard with Weis and Romeo coming onboard because he saw it as a threat. Perhaps Pioli meant it to be...kinda saying if Haley slips up, they already have his replacement onboard.

Now Weis leaves for what is basically a demotion when he is currently coaching an NFL team headed for the playoffs? Something stinks there. I'd be willing to bet that Haley is the center of the problem.

 
I generally find Whitlock to be unreadable, but not because he's racist (he may or may not be but I don't know one way or another) but because he bloviates and has ham handed over the top opinions that are usually based on a razor thin slice of the data he has before him. THAT SAID, I do wonder about Todd Haley. No one is going to convince me Weis left after one season in KC because of an overwhelming desire to coach at his son's college. It's plausible, and I'm sure Weis will maintain that version of things just as the Chiefs will, but it mystifies me to think Haley has mastered the role of NFL head coach yet.

 
It's time for Whitlock to go to prevent him from further embarrassing himself, and lowering our overall intelligence

 
Like a few others here, I'm far from a Whitlock lover but I too have my doubts about Haley and wonder if the schedule was a smokescreen to some other issues.m I also think Whitlock is right - this is Pioli's team more or less and fashioned with his expertise, expertise he showed in New England as well.

Rubber will hit the road a bit this weekend. I won't judge Haley based ona loss to a - IMO - better Baltimore team. But how he reacts and his success (or lack thereof) without Weis will go a long way towards telling us what he can and can't do.

FWIW, Whitlock had a column when Weis was hired saying there was too much ego between him and Haley to last long. I don;t know what goes on behind closed doors in a front office, but it isn't a reach to say he probably nailed it there.

We'll see. During the season I never once thought 'Whoa, Hale has this turned around' the way I did with other recent coaching hires (Raheem Morris comes to mind right now, so does Mike Smith).

 
Haley has done a pretty good job....he is a fiery coach who will get in the grill of players/coaches if he needs to......Larry Fitzgerald has all but said he wants to join KC next year and Fitzgerald is pretty well respected around the league and has been on a team that Haley was a part of....he has seen the good and the bad and still wants to be a part of it.....I don't mind the usage of Thomas Jones as I see that as part of the plan of keeping an explosive back fresh.....Charles is not built to be a 25 carry a game type back......I see his carries increasing this post season, but at one point last weekend he was still the leading rusher in the NFL with Jones technically the starter......all us fantasy geeks would love to have seen him run Charles into the ground, but it would not have been a good football decision.....

Haley came to a team that was a complete mess.....has he had some help in the rebuilding process with Pioli, Weiss, Romeo...?...you bet....but Haley also deserves some credit here......

 
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This article would have had some meaning if the Chiefs had not made the playoffs for the first time in years, not it comes off as a sour personal attack. Whitlock was off-base. Haley does not make the NFL schedule..the NFL does. Here is what Weis said.

I get offended when people say that,” Weis said. “People always want to look for a different angle for why you’re doing this. Scott (Pioli), Todd (Haley), Clark (Hunt), they brought me in to Kansas City when I was sitting at home in South Bend. I’ll be forever grateful for the opportunity I had to come here as the offensive coordinator and I’ll always wish them well.

“But this decision had absolutely zero to do with relationships in Kansas City.”

Weis and Haley worked together with the New York Jets for three years in the late 1990s, Weis as receivers coach and then the offensive coordinator and Haley as an offensive assistant.

At that time, Haley took some of his orders from Weis. That changed last winter when Haley hired Weis as offensive coordinator.

Asked to describe his working relationship with Haley, Weis said: “He’s the head coach, and I’m the offensive coordinator. We’ve known each other forever. Todd and I grew up under the same tree. We understand the way of doing business. It’s kind of interesting for me to reflect on how we’ve grown in the last decade or so since we’ve worked together.

“When you’re the boss, you’re the boss. When you’re an assistant, you’re an assistant. He’s definitely the boss, and I’m definitely the offensive coordinator. I think we had a very good understanding of what our roles were without any reservation.”

Weis indicated family matters played a large role in his decision. Weis is a friend of new Florida head coach Will Muschamp.

Weis’ son Charlie will soon graduate from St. Pius X High School in Kansas City and will attend Florida, where he will be an assistant coach for the Gators while attending school.

“This was a really tough decision for the Weis family,” Weis said. “This opportunity is one of those unique situations where I can go to a great institution where my son goes to matriculate and be able to spend the next bunch of years watching my son grow.“He wants to coach. It took us very long to try to find a place where he could be involved with the football program in a student assistant capacity. At the end of the day, I don’t think anybody could understand how wonderful an opportunity it would be to be able to work at a place and see your kid on a daily basis.”

 
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the playoff game will answer the questions about charles handling. if he dominates the workload in a close, high leverage game then it will show that haley knows whats up. if the distribution remains the same then it will show him to be a buffoon.

seems that chiefs fans dont really put much stock in whitlock from other boards.

 
Anyone who still beats the "Haley rubs his players the wrong way" drum is a fraud and needs to refrain from pretending they have a clue about the Chiefs.

Reading every PC and transcript as I do, it's nothing but praise for Haley--Charles and Bowe, KC's best offensive players by far, BOTH credit Haley with a lot of their development. Charles credits Haley's tough-love approach for the reason he worked, in his words, "harder than he ever has before" last offseason. ... We see the results of that now. Meanwhile, players from his former team, namely All-Pro Larry Fitzgerald, have said they'd go to CANADA to play for Haley. Yeah, Haley must've really rubbed him up the wrong way. :wub:

As for the Chiefs in general, OF COURSE they're not as good as their record. Jesus, people--they were 4-12 last year and didn't make a ton of moves in the offseason. You don't just magically win 6 more games and become one of the best teams overnight. I would've been happy with 8-8 and some defined progress, while I expected 6-10. They did exactly what you'd expect/hope a young, developing team does: beat the inferior teams and compete with everyone else. They had a couple off games, as most teams do, but largely did that. Pioli and Haley took over a talentless 2-14 mess. They doubled their win total in year 1, and have them in the playoffs in year 2. That's not a mirage, that's progress.

Seriously, though. Haley tells Boldin to #### and stop whining about playing time and the whole world freaks out and thinks no one likes Haley. :wub: :lmao: :lmao:

By the way, anyone seen Boldin lately? Buehler? Buehler? :bag:

 
The Jacket said:
Anyone who still beats the "Haley rubs his players the wrong way" drum is a fraud and needs to refrain from pretending they have a clue about the Chiefs.

Reading every PC and transcript as I do, it's nothing but praise for Haley--Charles and Bowe, KC's best offensive players by far, BOTH credit Haley with a lot of their development. Charles credits Haley's tough-love approach for the reason he worked, in his words, "harder than he ever has before" last offseason. ... We see the results of that now. Meanwhile, players from his former team, namely All-Pro Larry Fitzgerald, have said they'd go to CANADA to play for Haley. Yeah, Haley must've really rubbed him up the wrong way. :lol:

As for the Chiefs in general, OF COURSE they're not as good as their record. Jesus, people--they were 4-12 last year and didn't make a ton of moves in the offseason. You don't just magically win 6 more games and become one of the best teams overnight. I would've been happy with 8-8 and some defined progress, while I expected 6-10. They did exactly what you'd expect/hope a young, developing team does: beat the inferior teams and compete with everyone else. They had a couple off games, as most teams do, but largely did that. Pioli and Haley took over a talentless 2-14 mess. They doubled their win total in year 1, and have them in the playoffs in year 2. That's not a mirage, that's progress.

Seriously, though. Haley tells Boldin to #### and stop whining about playing time and the whole world freaks out and thinks no one likes Haley. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

By the way, anyone seen Boldin lately? Buehler? Buehler? :goodposting:
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I completely agree with this. Going into the season I said many times that I just wanted to see progress. I wanted the team to be competetive week in and week out. I would have been thrilled with an 8-8 record. The playoffs are a bonus. Although I absolutely HATED both the Haley and Cassel moves at the time they happened, I think that Pioli may know a little more about football than me. I think anyone that argues that this team is not headed in the right direction is dilusional.

While I hope I am wrong, I think the Ravens destroy the Chiefs this weekend. Baltimore 24- Chiefs 10.

 
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I know virtually nothing about the Chiefs or Haley. But it does seem odd to me that the coach of a team that was widely expected to be one of the worst in the league, but wins the their division and makes the playoffs would be blasted as much as he seems to be.

Yeah, the schedule was weak, but the team was supposed to be weak too. I would at least give the guy a chance in the playoff game which they haven't even played yet.

I suspect a lot of the "hate" for lack of a better word around here is coming from Charles owners.

 
KCC said:
Donsmith753 said:
All those saying his handling of Charles was a disgrace. It worked. Had Charles played so much more this year they'd be going into the playoffs with Thomas Jones as their fresh back.

They made the playoffs whilst keeping Charles fresh. Fair play.
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A team making the playoffs means that all their coaching decisions had to be correct? Really?? :goodposting:
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As far as the Thomas Jones/Jamaal Charles thing goes, did the Chiefs lose any games because they used Jones more than they should have?Here are the six losses the Chiefs had:

Colts: Charles had 19 touches to Jones' 8

Texans: 20 touches each, both averaged over 5 yards/carry and touch

Raiders: Loss in OT; Charles with 5 yards a carry and 5 receptions for 47 yards; Jones carried 19 times for 32 yards

Broncos: Jones did not play; Cassel with 4 TDs; Charles 19 touches

San Diego: Charles 12 touches, Jones 3

Oakland: Blowout - Charles 16 touches, Jones 11 touches

The first Raiders loss (bolded), is really the only one where you can say the split "possibly" adversly effected the game. Does it really matter whether the decisions are correct or not, as long as you win the game? For the price of one game, you now have one of the top 3 most explosive RBs in Game 10 shape instead of Game 17 shape...worked for the Jets in the playoffs last year...

 
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I'm so sick of people whining about Jamaal Charles' playing time.

I have personally watched Jeff Fisher run Chris Johnson in the ground 2 straight years. I fear that CJ will never be as explosive as he was 2 years ago. And for what? A few more regular season wins...maybe?

The Chiefs have a home playoff game and a chance to win the super bowl. Charles is fresh and ready.

Now if Haley runs Thomas Jones 20 times this weekend, THEN I would have a problem with it.

But I suspect that Jamaal Charles will not be kept fresh during the playoffs, but will be used HEAVILY. We'll see.

Maybe Haley just wants Charles to be a bigtime weapon for the next 5-7 years, rather than wear him out in 2-3.

I think it's a great decision and those that mock it are just disgruntled Charles' owners.

 
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I know virtually nothing about the Chiefs or Haley. But it does seem odd to me that the coach of a team that was widely expected to be one of the worst in the league, but wins the their division and makes the playoffs would be blasted as much as he seems to be.Yeah, the schedule was weak, but the team was supposed to be weak too. I would at least give the guy a chance in the playoff game which they haven't even played yet.I suspect a lot of the "hate" for lack of a better word around here is coming from Charles owners.
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Yep. Haley is a great coach. Larry Fitzgerald made some comments about how he would LOVE to play for Haley again. Whitlock is ignorant.
 
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Now if Haley runs Thomas Jones 20 times this weekend, THEN I would have a problem with it.
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Right. I think Haley is a very smart Xs and Os guy whose motivational and relationship skills are developing, but THIS (quoted) would cause me to turn on Haley pretty darn fast. I, too, have been thinking that he's "saving" Charles. But, as you say, if he doesn't unleash Charles for 20-25 carries, while Jones is simply a breather (6-8 carries), the guy's a complete moron. That may seem a bit OTT, but I don't think so. Because there is absolutely NO excuse, not one, for Charles being rested, benched or otherwise watching while Jones gets 1 yard and puts the Chiefs in 2nd/3rd-and-long. None.
 
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Isn't he playing on the playoff bound Ravens who are coming to KC?
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Not sure. Has he changed positions? Haven't seen him out there helping the passing game lately. Haley pushes Fitzgerald - Pro BowlzHaley pushes Bowe - Pro BowlzHaley pushes Boldin - :suds:
 
shader said:
Holy Schneikes said:
I know virtually nothing about the Chiefs or Haley. But it does seem odd to me that the coach of a team that was widely expected to be one of the worst in the league, but wins the their division and makes the playoffs would be blasted as much as he seems to be.Yeah, the schedule was weak, but the team was supposed to be weak too. I would at least give the guy a chance in the playoff game which they haven't even played yet.I suspect a lot of the "hate" for lack of a better word around here is coming from Charles owners.
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Yep. Haley is a great coach. Larry Fitzgerald made some comments about how he would LOVE to play for Haley again. Whitlock is ignorant.
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A player saying he likes playing for a coach, and would play for him again, really doesn't tell us much.
 
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