Jason Whitlock Pummels Todd Haley (1 Viewer)

[Adebisi]

By the way, to those who are convinced that Whitlock has an ax to grind with Haley, and that this is all personal: if you truly believed that Haley was a poor coach and wanted to convey this to the general public, what would you have done differently than Whitlock?

If I didn't have an ax to grind, why would it be important to me to try and convince the general public that he is a poor coach?

Because you (in this hypothetical) are being paid to offer your opinion, perhaps?

 

[Adebisi]

By the way, to those who are convinced that Whitlock has an ax to grind with Haley, and that this is all personal: if you truly believed that Haley was a poor coach and wanted to convey this to the general public, what would you have done differently than Whitlock?

Pretty easy...add some quotes from players and/or NFL coaches/front office types that back-up his opinion...he totally destroys Haley (and throws some darts at Pioli as well)...if he is that convinced he is such a bad guy I would think it would be pretty easy to find others willing to go on record about what a fradulent coach he is...right now all I see is a columnist who doesn't like someone and has made his feelings public. By no means am I this big fan of Haley and the Chiefs...yet the NFL is a results based business or as Parcells always says "you are what you record is"...rght now all I see is a downtrodden franchise that has made a very big turnaround in a short time under a new regime...that's what I'm basing my opinion on...fact...if I see a 5-11 team next year with a locker-room full of dissension than I will hop on the bash Todd Haley train but I will wait for that to happen before I get my ticket...

In some ways this whole thing reminds me of a local reporter (Ron Borges) who absolutely hates Bill Belichick (although it appears to be subsiding a little of late)...like Whitlock he took every opportunity to take shots at BB...as time went on and the wins piled up he basically became a farce because he just could not let his personal opinion of BB change regardless of what the facts said...

But this is Whitlock's opinion. Why would he add other people's opinions?

 

[Adebisi]

By the way, to those who are convinced that Whitlock has an ax to grind with Haley, and that this is all personal: if you truly believed that Haley was a poor coach and wanted to convey this to the general public, what would you have done differently than Whitlock?

Whitlock's one-note columns are strictly limited to opinion, not fact. To further make it more difficult to provide a clear, impartial framework are his continued leanings on seventh grade level nicknames. His columns are empty calories, nothing of substance. As Boston pointed out, he is Lil' Borges.

Anyone who has any opinion on any coach is giving you just that - an opinion. Just like if I were to tell you that I think Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Drew Brees - that is an opinion, not a fact.

 

[Adebisi]

disagree. It; is easy to heap on when a guy is 6-10. it's harder to call out the guy in the former scenario. In thiscase Whitlock argues that this would be a 6-10 team if they played a halfway decent schedule, that ended up 10-6 in spite of him not because of him.

Very At the very least, whether you agree or disagree with him, Whitlock makes a case for himself. 99.9% of the rest of the country's sports media would be, quite frankly, too afraid and intimidated to attack a coach who just went 10-6. They would wait for the losses to pile up, and then state what would, by that point, be the obvious. Kudos to Whitlock for thinking independently and having the guts to put himself out there.

There is nothing inherently noble about writing something like this. Criticizing someone this way isn't "putting yourself out there" - I mean, what is anyone gonig to say about Jason Whitlock that's as bad as what he said about Todd Haley.If Haley is so awful and everyone else around him is so much smarter, Haley will be fired. Very soon, according to Jason! So what exactly is the intended result of this article? Why, to get people talking about What Jason Whitlock Said once again, naturally.

And this is why he sucks: not because of what he says (because all sports writers write some dumb stuff) but because whatever point he's trying to make is always secondary to drawing attention to himself. He sucks the same way that "shockjock" radio DJs and TV talking heads suck. Is this not "attack journalism?" Is there any reason for this in sports?

Yes, criticizing a coach who just went 10-6 with a team that most did not expect to go .500 is absolutely putting yourself out there. The intended result of this article is for Whitlock to convey his opinion about something. Because that's what he's paid to do.

 

[Summer Wheat]

On ESPN Radio today they were talking about this very topic. Seems that Peterson, Vermiel and Edwards were all very chummy with Whitlock during the last decade and he always had the inside scoop. When Pioli took over and hired Haley they took more of the Billy B attitude and did not give up much at all to Whitlock or any reporter for that matter. As a 15 year vet KC reporter Whitlock took a more than a little offense and has been bitter ever since.

Now it makes sense.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

The intended result of this article is for Whitlock to convey his opinion about something. Because that's what he's paid to do.

Do you think there is any standard of journalism that should be applied here? Yes, he is free to be as wacky as a talk radio host, but then that's the level of credibility he'll deservedly get.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The intended result of this article is for Whitlock to convey his opinion about something. Because that's what he's paid to do.

Do you think there is any standard of journalism that should be applied here? Yes, he is free to be as wacky as a talk radio host, but then that's the level of credibility he'll deservedly get.

standard of journalism = getting quotes.Always get a quote.

 

[Adebisi]

The intended result of this article is for Whitlock to convey his opinion about something. Because that's what he's paid to do.

Do you think there is any standard of journalism that should be applied here? Yes, he is free to be as wacky as a talk radio host, but then that's the level of credibility he'll deservedly get.

standard of journalism = getting quotes.Always get a quote.

What leads you to believe that Whitlock is a journalist in the first place? Before you even answer that, I'd like to hear your definition of journalism.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

He's a football reporter. He's in the same realm as Adam Schefter, Peter King, etc. But if one of those guys called someone "the biggest fraud in football" it would be a big deal, because those writers have built credibility over their careers.

Whitlock making that statement isn't a big deal though, because he has little (or certainly less) credibility.

 

[Adebisi]

He's a football reporter. He's in the same realm as Adam Schefter, Peter King, etc. But if one of those guys called someone "the biggest fraud in football" it would be a big deal, because those writers have built credibility over their careers.Whitlock making that statement isn't a big deal though, because he has little (or certainly less) credibility.

He's in the same realm as King, but he's not in the same realm as Schefter. King and Whitlock are paid to entertain and give opinions. Schefter is paid to report the news.And lol @ stating that Whitlock has no credibility, and then claiming that King does

 

[shortbow]

Being from Missouri, im just curious.

Is there any argument that the Chiefs didnt play the easiest schedule in the league?

All I hear here everyday on the radio is about how Dexter McCluster is the XFACTOR for the Chiefs, lol even the Sports radio stations here dont know wtf they are talking about.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I don't really get this contention that the fact someone is paid to write an article somehow self-validates that article.

 

[shadow2k]

This is just a ploy to get Jeff George the Chiefs head coaching job.

 

[Adebisi]

I don't really get this contention that the fact someone is paid to write an article somehow self-validates that article.

That's because no one has made that contention.He is paid to give his opinion, and that's exactly what he's done.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'm not sure what the mystery is here... Whitlock comes right out and tells everyone why he doesn't like Haley or Pioli. Despite that distaste he still seems to have a lot of respect for what Pioli's done. Haley - not so much.

That's obviously just one guy's opinion, but it sure seems to square with what we know about Haley from watching him at a distance.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Yeah ultimately I'm pretty satisfied just saying that JW sucks.

 

[Hooper31]

Whitlock is a racist.

No, you.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

On ESPN Radio today they were talking about this very topic. Seems that Peterson, Vermiel and Edwards were all very chummy with Whitlock during the last decade and he always had the inside scoop. When Pioli took over and hired Haley they took more of the Billy B attitude and did not give up much at all to Whitlock or any reporter for that matter. As a 15 year vet KC reporter Whitlock took a more than a little offense and has been bitter ever since.Now it makes sense.

QFT

 

[The Jacket]

Inside the NFL just buried this moron last night.

 

[The Jacket]

In case there was ANY doubt in anyone's mind, here's Whitlock embarrassing himself on Inside the NFL: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...26&comments

Seriously, the column was garbage and this guy is a tool. Complete tool.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

disagree. It; is easy to heap on when a guy is 6-10. it's harder to call out the guy in the former scenario. In thiscase Whitlock argues that this would be a 6-10 team if they played a halfway decent schedule, that ended up 10-6 in spite of him not because of him.

Very At the very least, whether you agree or disagree with him, Whitlock makes a case for himself. 99.9% of the rest of the country's sports media would be, quite frankly, too afraid and intimidated to attack a coach who just went 10-6. They would wait for the losses to pile up, and then state what would, by that point, be the obvious. Kudos to Whitlock for thinking independently and having the guts to put himself out there.

There is nothing inherently noble about writing something like this. Criticizing someone this way isn't "putting yourself out there" - I mean, what is anyone gonig to say about Jason Whitlock that's as bad as what he said about Todd Haley.If Haley is so awful and everyone else around him is so much smarter, Haley will be fired. Very soon, according to Jason! So what exactly is the intended result of this article? Why, to get people talking about What Jason Whitlock Said once again, naturally.

And this is why he sucks: not because of what he says (because all sports writers write some dumb stuff) but because whatever point he's trying to make is always secondary to drawing attention to himself. He sucks the same way that "shockjock" radio DJs and TV talking heads suck. Is this not "attack journalism?" Is there any reason for this in sports?

In case there was ANY doubt in anyone's mind, here's Whitlock embarrassing himself on Inside the NFL: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...26&comments

Seriously, the column was garbage and this guy is a tool. Complete tool.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think it's fair to say that both Haley and Whitlock are idiots. Not sure this is even up for debate.

 

[cvnpoka]

amazing decision to punt on that 4th and 7 at midfield down by 16. actually, not amazing at all. media wont say a thing about it. most fans wont think twice about it.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

By the way, anyone seen Boldin lately? Buehler? Buehler?

I think Todd Haley just saw him. Scoring the game-clinching TD.Boldin-> Haley.

 

[cobalt_27]

Effective use of Bowe today.

 

[greenheads]

whitlock may be biased and a poor journalist

fact remains haley is the worst coach in the NFl playoffs maybe in the entire league

Jcharles 9 carries in the game? haley does not deserve his paycheck. sad haley's 10-6 record ensures he'll be back in 2011

haley is really bad guys no debating that, a real joke, sorry KC fans and sorry to jcharles

 

[Summer Wheat]

Effective use of Bowe today.

Just heard on the postgame. Bowe hurt his ankle last week and if it was not a playoff game would not have dressed. Tried to play as a decoy but could not cut at all. Plus Charlie Weis calls the offensive plays.Baltimore is a playoff tested team, a way better team than KC. They ran 75 plays to the Chiefs 38 plays..more than double the plays..that is unheard of. That is what 5 turnovers do.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Jcharles 9 carries in the game?

It's looking like James Starks is going to end today with more carries than Charles. I wonder how much money I could have made betting on that?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Effective use of Bowe today.

Just heard on the postgame. Bowe hurt his ankle last week and if it was not a playoff game would not have dressed. Tried to play as a decoy but could not cut at all. Plus Charlie Weis calls the offensive plays.Baltimore is a playoff tested team, a way better team than KC. They ran 75 plays to the Chiefs 38 plays..more than double the plays..that is unheard of. That is what 5 turnovers do.

Only in the first half apparently...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Jcharles 9 carries in the game?

It's looking like James Starks is going to end today with more carries than Charles. I wonder how much money I could have made betting on that?

almost 250% more... lol

 

[Summer Wheat]

Effective use of Bowe today.

Just heard on the postgame. Bowe hurt his ankle last week and if it was not a playoff game would not have dressed. Tried to play as a decoy but could not cut at all. Plus Charlie Weis calls the offensive plays.Baltimore is a playoff tested team, a way better team than KC. They ran 75 plays to the Chiefs 38 plays..more than double the plays..that is unheard of. That is what 5 turnovers do.

Only in the first half apparently...

The only thing that I know about Haley is that the Chiefs made a 7 game turnaround from last seaaon and hosted a playoff game. I don`t follow the Chiefs close enough to know if he is a good HC or not. I just looked at his year results. The Ravens are so much better on both sides of the ball. The Saints had some horrific play calling as did the Colts. I really do not have a problem with Haley calling for a sweep on fourth and short, but when the Colts tried to sweep on 3-7 deep in the Jets ends was a terrible call.

 

[The_Man]

Effective use of Bowe today.

Just heard on the postgame. Bowe hurt his ankle last week and if it was not a playoff game would not have dressed. Tried to play as a decoy but could not cut at all. Plus Charlie Weis calls the offensive plays.Baltimore is a playoff tested team, a way better team than KC. They ran 75 plays to the Chiefs 38 plays..more than double the plays..that is unheard of. That is what 5 turnovers do.

So Bowe was a decoy, they deactivated Chambers - their season-long #2 WR, and then only ran the ball twice in the second half, despite being the NFL's #1 rushing team and basically having no WRs?What, was Weis in a hurry to end the season so he could start his Florida gig?

 

[moondog]

Effective use of Bowe today.

Just heard on the postgame. Bowe hurt his ankle last week and if it was not a playoff game would not have dressed. Tried to play as a decoy but could not cut at all. Plus Charlie Weis calls the offensive plays.Baltimore is a playoff tested team, a way better team than KC. They ran 75 plays to the Chiefs 38 plays..more than double the plays..that is unheard of. That is what 5 turnovers do.

So Bowe was a decoy, they deactivated Chambers - their season-long #2 WR, and then only ran the ball twice in the second half, despite being the NFL's #1 rushing team and basically having no WRs?What, was Weis in a hurry to end the season so he could start his Florida gig?

Apparently Haley called the plays in the second half.http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/...me/Default.aspx

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

For the people who say that Whitlock is racist — which group is he racist against? Blacks or whites? I honestly don't know. It seems funny to call a black man a racist against blacks; but whenever I've heard him comment on racial issues, he sounds a lot more like Bill Cosby than like Al Sharpton.

 

[The Jacket]

disagree. It; is easy to heap on when a guy is 6-10. it's harder to call out the guy in the former scenario. In thiscase Whitlock argues that this would be a 6-10 team if they played a halfway decent schedule, that ended up 10-6 in spite of him not because of him.

Very At the very least, whether you agree or disagree with him, Whitlock makes a case for himself. 99.9% of the rest of the country's sports media would be, quite frankly, too afraid and intimidated to attack a coach who just went 10-6. They would wait for the losses to pile up, and then state what would, by that point, be the obvious. Kudos to Whitlock for thinking independently and having the guts to put himself out there.

There is nothing inherently noble about writing something like this. Criticizing someone this way isn't "putting yourself out there" - I mean, what is anyone gonig to say about Jason Whitlock that's as bad as what he said about Todd Haley.If Haley is so awful and everyone else around him is so much smarter, Haley will be fired. Very soon, according to Jason! So what exactly is the intended result of this article? Why, to get people talking about What Jason Whitlock Said once again, naturally.

And this is why he sucks: not because of what he says (because all sports writers write some dumb stuff) but because whatever point he's trying to make is always secondary to drawing attention to himself. He sucks the same way that "shockjock" radio DJs and TV talking heads suck. Is this not "attack journalism?" Is there any reason for this in sports?

In case there was ANY doubt in anyone's mind, here's Whitlock embarrassing himself on Inside the NFL: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...26&comments

Seriously, the column was garbage and this guy is a tool. Complete tool.

The Chiefs having way less talent and a hack at QB = Whitlock knows what he's talking about. Good call, Hooligan. Bill Walsh would've had C####### firing to all those wide-open WRs.

 

[Ballstein]

I find his articles very interesting but I think he is an overt racist.

example?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

In case there was ANY doubt in anyone's mind, here's Whitlock embarrassing himself on Inside the NFL: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...26&comments

Seriously, the column was garbage and this guy is a tool. Complete tool.

The Chiefs having way less talent and a hack at QB = Whitlock knows what he's talking about.

Good call, Hooligan. Bill Walsh would've had C####### firing to all those wide-open WRs.

who was it who brought that 'hack at qb' in again and traded many picks to so?And it's funny how even in the face of obvious rebuke to this guys position, and in support of Whitlocks, some people can't ever admit they were wrong.

Here's a hint... you were wrong and some guy you obviously dislike was right. Deal with it.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

In case there was ANY doubt in anyone's mind, here's Whitlock embarrassing himself on Inside the NFL: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...26&comments

Seriously, the column was garbage and this guy is a tool. Complete tool.

The Chiefs having way less talent and a hack at QB = Whitlock knows what he's talking about.

Good call, Hooligan. Bill Walsh would've had C####### firing to all those wide-open WRs.

who was it who brought that 'hack at qb' in again and traded many picks to so?And it's funny how even in the face of obvious rebuke to this guys position, and in support of Whitlocks, some people can't ever admit they were wrong.

Here's a hint... you were wrong and some guy you obviously dislike was right. Deal with it.

The trade was Cassel and Vrabel for a second round pick.