LawFitz
Footballguy
SSOG, normally I agree with most everything you post, but this comment is just a joke. TG was an underrated QB, but comparing him to Rodgers is a stretch and making a claim that he was better than Rodgers is just ridiculous.
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Jermichael Finley, TE, Green Bay Packers (1 Viewer)
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LOL. That's the biggest stretch I've ever heard and won't even take it seriously as I expect a retraction.
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There will be none. I absolutely, positively stand behind my post 100%. Aaron Rodgers is not as good of a passer as Trent Green. Rodgers has been a starter for 2 years and it's entirely possible that he passes Green at some point- even some point as early as this season- but that point has not yet come.
I dont agree that Green is a better passer than Rodgers, but i think you guys are letting FF cloud your judgment. As far as passing goes, Green is/was underrated, and he is right in the same tier with Rodgers at this point. Again, i dont agree with SSOG, but he is not too far off with his post.
I agree with your wording. He is in the same tier at this point in his career as AR only has 2 years of starter service but it seems pretty clear he will be considered a much much better passer when all is said and done if not now. SSOG made it sound like Aaron Rodgers goes to bed dreaming of old Trent Green highlights hoping to one day reach his level of STUD.
Yeah, he was way off with that, i can only hope he was exagerating.
All I said was that Rodgers hopes he's one day as good of a passer as Trent Green.Here's a series of statements: Aaron Rodgers hopes he's one day as good of a passer as Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers hopes he's one day as good of a passer as Drew Brees. Aaron Rodgers hopes he's one day as good of a passer as Tom Brady. I doubt anyone would bat an eye at any of these statements, as most people will accept that those three are better passers than Aaron Rodgers, and they'll accept the premise that Aaron Rodgers hopes to improve as a passer. If that's the case, then it's not my wording that has people up in arms, it's the fact that I think Trent Green is a better passer than Aaron Rodgers. Trent Green was, for a 4-season stretch, one of the hands-down no-brainer top-3 passers in the entire NFL (I'd peg him at #1b right behind Manning). I can only imagine that Aaron Rodgers hopes that he's one day occupying a similar lofty position relative to his peers (currently I'd call him the 6th best passer in the league, behind Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and Roethlisberger, and on par with Romo).
Milwaukees_best
Footballguy
Unstoppable on the fade route in the end zone. If he gets single coverage in the endzone against a DB, count it as 6. I do not believe he is going to be a 80 catch TE but the big plays will come in bunches as he is a mismatch for anyone.
67 catches 888 yrds 11 TDs
67 catches 888 yrds 11 TDs
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amphibianbri
Footballguy
Donald Driver on downside of career. James Jones starting to fill in on that side means time to get more comfortable with him. Jennings stretches field with long ball option leaving the big, quick Finley to roam short and get big plays. As long as Rodgers is upright this gets big for Finley.
65 rec 930 yds, 9 td's
65 rec 930 yds, 9 td's
Tickle Monster
Footballguy
Did you just wake up Rip?
Routilla
Footballguy
I don't follow every camp for every team. Thanks for the keen post though.Did you just wake up Rip?
karmarooster
Footballguy
i did see Packers camp on NFL network, and it seemed that way. Jennings, Jones, and Nelson all seemed roughly equal in looks, but Finley was a constant. I think Rodgers completed 4 passes to him including a TD on the drive.Did you just wake up Rip?
DropKick
Footballguy
In his first two years as a starter, Rodgers has had seasons comparable to Green's big 4 year run. Rodgers career rating 97... Green 86. I have no problem with Green and acknowledge he is underrated. But I think you'r enot giving Rodgers enough credit. Right now, at this point in their respective careers, I take Manning (& maybe Brees) before Rodgers in redraft and Rodgers first in a keeper format.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
change thread title, plz.
Team Canada
Footballguy
I think he showed up to Fitz' camp because he realized the same thing y'all are saying. He was a punk kid. What happened in the cam and prior to that showed me he realized that and decided to change it long ago. He looked great and is ready for the next step. There are som many players out there, on whom we await their decision to step up to the plate and I think this is a case where it has happened. I doubt Lee sees the field much at all and I see Finley's redzone looks and receptions go up. That said their is a lot of stepping up in GB. Jones and Nelson are another year improved. Driver is apparently fixed and has new knees. Jennings is a year better and Grant is solid. Rogers can't have a breakout year so I see an improvement, but no big breakout TE monster. Top 3 I think. Very solid and looks like a good value. Can that value offset the WR or RB you will have to pass on to take him???? That all depends on draft day. I'll be watching for him.
75, 900, and 9TDs
75, 900, and 9TDs
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I watched the GB scrimmage yesterday on NFL network and Finley was dominating. He was the focal part of the offense and looked like the best player on the field.
CentralPA
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
The focal point of a top three offense as a TE. Gotta luv that.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Finley's goal this year...1200 yards. He was just on NFL Sirius.
I don't know if he has moved past his maturity "issues" or not, but I'm not sure what else you would want to hear from a guy that is reported to be trying to improve both his play on the field and his attitude. If nothing else, he is on the same page as his agent as they try to maximize his value. Sounds like they are doing it the right way.
"I'd rather be the best tight end ever to play the game than have the most money," Finley said. "The money will come with it."
Finley's agent, Blake Baratz, realizes that Finley will need to perform well on the field, and to avoid being a "moron" (as Mark "Teenage Hot Tub" Chmura has called Finley) off it.
"Just because you're talented doesn't mean you get paid in the National Football League," Baratz told McGinn. "Greg Jennings did it consistently. Antonio Gates has been to six straight Pro Bowls. Peyton Manning is an MVP. The guys who really get paid in this league, the majority of the time, are standup guys on and off the field, especially in an organization like the Packers.
PFT - Packers Young Players
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TheBradyBunch
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There's been lots of Finley talk this offseason, but I've seen little posted regarding his current dynasty trade value/cost. I haven't seen too many Bench Coach posts regarding Finley trades to get a grip on where the hype meets reality. What is the current dynasty price tag on Finley as we head into 2010 - what would it take for you to trade him or what would you feel comfortable giving up to acquire him?
I was able to see some of the GB game last night and dude is most definitely hard to guard!
I was able to see some of the GB game last night and dude is most definitely hard to guard!
cr8f
Footballguy
Last night he lined up outside, in the slot and they motioned him several times. I don't who can cover this guy much like Gates and the other top TE's. I think he is mature now and focused so the limit may be injuries.He will open more things up for Jennings too in my opinion.James Jones looked good last night too.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Based on camp and the first preseason game, he will be a monster. However.....Rodgers throws to so many people....that will be the limiting factor on Finleys upside. Top 5 TE - I think very likely. #1 TE - hard to do with how Rodgers distributes the ball
and stop with the Jones stuff - Driver is the #2 wr, looked great last night, got the contract extension. Jones will be the the #5/6 in terms of recpts on the team.
and stop with the Jones stuff - Driver is the #2 wr, looked great last night, got the contract extension. Jones will be the the #5/6 in terms of recpts on the team.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Granted it's Cleveland but Rodgers looks like he is playing a different game from everyone else, that guy is so good. Hi spasses have that touch factor that a lot of QBs cannot always do.
Sorry to hijack this.
Finley is awesome and he's gonna have a big year but there are a lot of TEs that are going to be strong week to week.
Sorry to hijack this.
Finley is awesome and he's gonna have a big year but there are a lot of TEs that are going to be strong week to week.
this link should give a pretty decent list of trades involving Jermichael Finley this past offseason.A small, semi-random sample from the thread.TheBradyBunch said:
Finley for Keller + 2011 first (projected in the 1.04-1.08 range)
Finley + pick 1.01 for Ryan Grant + Lesean McCoy
Finley + Witten + T Beckum for Bowe + Gonzalez + 2011 first (projected to be late)
Finley + Mike Jenkins for Cooley + Braylon Edwards
Personally, I traded for Finley this offseason, too. I gave up Sims-Walker and the Dallas defense to get Finley and Flacco.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I sort of disagree with your analysis. Yes, Rodgers spreads it. But Finley seems to be the #1 option on many of the plays now, especially around the goal line.Gates is the only other TE in recent memory who's been the #1 option on a juggernaut offense. And while that's the case again this year for AG, I think I'd still rather have Finley this year. The Bolts passing game is very good, but Rodgers and the Pack are one tier above with the likes of Brees and Manning. The only TE I think that I'd rather have than Finley this year is Clark (maybe), but you'd have to draft him two rounds higher and I'm not so sure that he's as consistently the #1 option for Manning as Finley now appears to be for Rodgers.I do agree with the guy who expressed concerns about Finley's floor, but not with his take on take Tony G instead. TG's ceiling is much lower than Finley's IMO.smackdaddies said:
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Fin is not the focus of the offense - Rodgers is - Rodgers is the pivot. Jennings/Driver/Finley will all end up with 70 plus catches, then about five other players will get 25 catches, then about 10 more will get 5-10 catches. Rodgers will throw to whatever reciever is left in single coverage, or even not covered in the case of the "not top three".
Yahoo says:
In Packerland the fusion of processed cheddar and bratwurst is widely believed to be the most delectable combination in human history. Loyal Johnsonville consumers don’t dispute that. However, Aaron Rodgers and JerMichael Finley’s burgeoning relationship has tubed meat enthusiasts thinking again.
On Saturday, the Seahawks had absolutely no answer for the dynamic duo. In one half of play, the pair connected four times for 48 yards and a touchdown. Over a full regular season game, the damage could’ve reached historic proportions.
A living, breathing mythical beast, Finley is a freakishly gifted monster with unmatched size and athleticism. When lined up in the slot or on the wing, he simply can’t be caged. To suggest he could emerge as the No. 1 ranked TE by season’s end isn’t outlandish propaganda. Green Bay is the epitome of pass-happy. Remember over the final five weeks of ’09 he splashed pay-dirt four times while averaging 5.6 receptions and 67.4 yards per game, good for the highest output during that stretch. The hype machine has inflated his ADP (49.4), but the Green giant will still likely turn a sizable profit.
I hope my 15 TDs weren't too conservative of a projection. I actually got Rodgers Finley and Jennings on the same team in a FFPC draft....glad it happened before the Pack ripped through Indy's tiny little cover two players and Finley's ADP really spikes because Jennings back is tight and it doesn't look like he will play and 88 gets even more looks.
In Packerland the fusion of processed cheddar and bratwurst is widely believed to be the most delectable combination in human history. Loyal Johnsonville consumers don’t dispute that. However, Aaron Rodgers and JerMichael Finley’s burgeoning relationship has tubed meat enthusiasts thinking again.
On Saturday, the Seahawks had absolutely no answer for the dynamic duo. In one half of play, the pair connected four times for 48 yards and a touchdown. Over a full regular season game, the damage could’ve reached historic proportions.
A living, breathing mythical beast, Finley is a freakishly gifted monster with unmatched size and athleticism. When lined up in the slot or on the wing, he simply can’t be caged. To suggest he could emerge as the No. 1 ranked TE by season’s end isn’t outlandish propaganda. Green Bay is the epitome of pass-happy. Remember over the final five weeks of ’09 he splashed pay-dirt four times while averaging 5.6 receptions and 67.4 yards per game, good for the highest output during that stretch. The hype machine has inflated his ADP (49.4), but the Green giant will still likely turn a sizable profit.
I hope my 15 TDs weren't too conservative of a projection. I actually got Rodgers Finley and Jennings on the same team in a FFPC draft....glad it happened before the Pack ripped through Indy's tiny little cover two players and Finley's ADP really spikes because Jennings back is tight and it doesn't look like he will play and 88 gets even more looks.
Even better- it wasn't one half of play, it was one quarter (2 possessions)!
It's true, your 15 TD prediction seemed pretty ridiculous until Jermichael Finley went out and racked up 48 receiving yards in a preseason game. Now it definitely seems way too low.
Wow, you got the best two players in a four player deal. I wouldnt give Finley for Simms-Walker and any defense, getting one of the best young QB's in the league to boot....nice job, i hope the guy isnt a friend of yours.
I would be suprised if Driver get 50 receptions, no way he gets 70.
I dont think he was basing it on the 48 yards, but how many looks Finley got and what he did with them. The way he and the Packrs have looked in the preseason, i am starting to think 12-15 TD's are not out of the question. Everything just stacks up perfectly for him to be a TD monster this year.The Packers will spend alot of time in the redzone, and run very little when they are there. Not to mention, who else are you going to pass to inside the opponents 20? Greg Jennings is a great WR, but not exactly the big WR you throw to alot near the goalline. Drivers best days are behind him, and Jones doesnt exactly have the kind of catch ratio you like when you need someone to make a play.I was tempering my expectations for Finley, but i feel confident putting him down for 1000 yards and double digit TD's...easily making him my #1 TE in redrafts.
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Driver 48/620/4Jennings 81/1290/10Finley 85/1070/12Rodgers 4475/35/14Grant 1000/7Bet im closer.
nlgb1
Footballguy
lol im confused. is that assuming driver gets hurt or something? cus he certainly hasnt lost a stepDriver 48/620/4Jennings 81/1290/10Finley 85/1070/12Rodgers 4475/35/14Grant 1000/7Bet im closer.
Roto:
Jermichael Finley caught four passes for 48 yards and a touchdown against the Seahawks in Saturday's preseason game.
The Aaron Rodgers-to-Finley connection is nearly unstoppable. As impressive as both players were down the stretch last season, they look even better this preseason. Finley could realistically top 80 receptions this year. He's the no-brainer No. 1 Dynasty tight end right now.
Jermichael Finley caught four passes for 48 yards and a touchdown against the Seahawks in Saturday's preseason game.
The Aaron Rodgers-to-Finley connection is nearly unstoppable. As impressive as both players were down the stretch last season, they look even better this preseason. Finley could realistically top 80 receptions this year. He's the no-brainer No. 1 Dynasty tight end right now.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Are you predicting Driver getting hurt?Driver 48/620/4Jennings 81/1290/10Finley 85/1070/12Rodgers 4475/35/14Grant 1000/7Bet im closer.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
an interesting side note that was made during the Seatle/Pack game
Finleys 55 catches last year? The second most ever by a Packer TE. Ever.
My view after two preason games, + and -
+ Top 3 qb
+ Pass oriented offense
+ LB too slow to cover, DB too small to cover
+ Hands seem better than last year
- History of TE on the Pack
- QB spreads the ball around
- History of drops
- Poor blocker, may limit time in game in some situations/teams
I think his low end is 4 rctps a game on average - thats 72 rcpts. Personally, I think he will average 5, which puts him at 85. I think he will take those recpts from the other TE (Lee had 35 last year, clearly that will go down), some from the WR (but spread around, not all from one, i.e. Driver, that is crazy talk)
His high - he could hit 100 rctps
Finleys 55 catches last year? The second most ever by a Packer TE. Ever.
My view after two preason games, + and -
+ Top 3 qb
+ Pass oriented offense
+ LB too slow to cover, DB too small to cover
+ Hands seem better than last year
- History of TE on the Pack
- QB spreads the ball around
- History of drops
- Poor blocker, may limit time in game in some situations/teams
I think his low end is 4 rctps a game on average - thats 72 rcpts. Personally, I think he will average 5, which puts him at 85. I think he will take those recpts from the other TE (Lee had 35 last year, clearly that will go down), some from the WR (but spread around, not all from one, i.e. Driver, that is crazy talk)
His high - he could hit 100 rctps
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
No one is as big of a Finley fan as I am but the lofty predictions on this thread borders ridiculous. 100 catches...15 TD's? How about if you think he's good for 75+ catches and 10+ TD's then you shouldn't hesitate taking him as the #1-3 TE off the board. At this rate, people are going to start taking him over Andre Johnson.
Woogie Lee
Footballguy
Where would you rank him for leagues that combine WRs and TEs?? (non PPR)
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-jb-
Footballguy
WR19, standard scoring
Pots
Footballguy
There's a half dozen TE's who have a good possibility of finishing top 3 or #1. TE is a much deeper position than it used to be and Finley is no sleeper, in fact his hype has his ADP higher than many who have better proven track records. I fail to see the value.
nlgb1
Footballguy
then you havent seen him play for 4 quarters.
Pots
Footballguy
I haven't failed to see him play for multiple games last year nor have I failed to see your packer logo and fantasy roster.
nlgb1
Footballguy
dont see what youre getting at here
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