Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player (1 Viewer)

[Green and Gold]

This is all just dumb. Westhoff knows that a lot of teams do it, the Patriots do it, but never paid attention to the other team's sideline in his life, and doesn't even know what's going on on his own sideline?At least Belichick took responsibility and didn't try to blame his cheating on someone else. He didn't even say, "everyone else does it." Man up, take responsibility, and pay the price. It's not like something like that is worth a draft pick. Outside of the intent to contact the player, this is just gamesmanship. Maybe worth a rule clarification, but not much else.Honestly, Ryan and Westhoff come off looking like they don't have a grip on their own team.

I agree with most of this. Though I think the "losing grip" part is overblown. Right away I said Westoff probably told the team "THIS is our sideline". Maybe he even saw Miami on tape a lot using the sideline.But, Rex could have explained it better..... as in "Yeah, we encourage our guys to line up to the field... but, no way in hell did we tell anyone to touch a player"case closed.

Actually, I didn't mean 'losing their grip' in terms of losing the locker room or something like that. I meant that lesser coaches like Alosi were freelancing and doing things that their bosses weren't aware of. Not running a tight ship is probably a better term to use.

 

[Thanatos]

. "Then, when I saw it, I was like, 'Whoa.' You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see they were lined up."

I guess the only way you could've missed it is if you were a jets homer, or rex ryan standing more than 3 feet away.

I find the direction that this thread has taken quite amusing. If you go back and read the first 5 pages, how many people talked about heat of the moment split second decisions or blamed Nolan Carroll for running out of bounds down the sideline for 40+ yards to avoid being blocked or that Nolan Carroll is a supreme actor who put on an amazing display in order to win an an Emmy.The single fact that has held through all of this is that the Jets once again look like a horrible organization and have yet another ongoing investigation due to misconduct based on the behavior of someone associated with the team.

Stay classy New York Jets!

 

[fatness]

I found Golic's comments interesting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5922926

So, if Alosi was indeed the "get back" coach, having been around the NFL for 10 years... sure, the players would do what he tells them to do.

Golic said repeatedly on the radio this morning that he didn't believe Alosi did this on his own, that he didn't have enough authority to get players to listen to him based on his time with the team, and that he believes Ryan knew about it.

 

[FavreCo]

I wonder how much the Jets pay Alosi to keep his mouth shut.

I find it hard to belive that Ryan didn't know the players/coaches were lining up on the sideline. Whether he told them to do it or not I doubt we will ever know.I also find it hard to belive that Ryan told Alosi to try to trip/knee a player as he came by. So what exactly would the Jets be paying him for? As far as I know it isn't against the rules to stand where they were as long as they don't obstuct a player in the field of play.

There's really nothing wrong with what they were doing, until he totally lost his mind and stuck his knee out there, committing career suicide. No way did anyone with functioning brain cells tell him to do that in anything but a one one one meeting that can be denied. No idea if Ryan has functioning brain cells. It's debatable. He is in fact insane.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

. "Then, when I saw it, I was like, 'Whoa.' You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see they were lined up."

I guess the only way you could've missed it is if you were a jets homer, or rex ryan standing more than 3 feet away.

This is untrue. Rex Ryan's immense gravity field can bend light to where it's difficult to see what is actually happening.

 

[Summer Wheat]

That is good aggressive coaching to lineup that way. Get any edge you can, the coaches were not on the field of play. The only mistake made here was sticking his knee out..otherwise it was all good.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

People wanting to hatch conspiracies should probably consider the most simple ones first. If you are using the "Why is Rex looking at the gunner/Sal Alosi instead of the live ball" evidence should know it's a hell of alot more likely that Rex was probably looking at Sal wondering WTF he was doing. If Rex was involved in some idea to use Sal to trip a Dolphins player, why would you think he'd be staring right at the crime? He'd want to be pretty removed from it.

 

[RUSF18]

People wanting to hatch conspiracies should probably consider the most simple ones first. If you are using the "Why is Rex looking at the gunner/Sal Alosi instead of the live ball" evidence should know it's a hell of alot more likely that Rex was probably looking at Sal wondering WTF he was doing. If Rex was involved in some idea to use Sal to trip a Dolphins player, why would you think he'd be staring right at the crime? He'd want to be pretty removed from it.

You think Rex happened to catch the slight knee flex that caused the trip? Or are you insinuating that he was so surprised to see "the wall" for the first time that he started staring at the play (despite his own player saying they had been doing it all season)?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Why was the player running so far out of bounds ?

A flag should have been thrown on the Miami Dolphin. The gunner is supposed to return to the field of play at the same spot where he was pushed out of bounds. He is not allowed to run down the sidelines unencumbered by opposing blockers. That is AGAINST THE RULES!The Jets assistant at the center of this brouhaha was merely enforcing the rules.As Steve Tasker said, he should have gotten a forearm shiver for doing that.People's view of this situation is obviously being heavily influenced by NY Jets hatred.

Cool! They let you watch NFL games on the short bus!

 

[Reaper]

Yeah.. Pretty much what i thought from the start... Not sure what the big deal is other than the obviously out line Trip....

espn

Steve Tasker, perhaps the greatest gunner in NFL history, had an interesting response to the theory the New York Jets instruct their players to defend their sideline on punt returns:

"So what?"

Tasker was not offended by the idea and essentially said he appreciated it -- even though he handled the role that would be most impacted by the practice.

"No question, you're not supposed to trip someone, but I think this is an overreaction," Tasker told ESPNNewYork.com reporter Rich Cimini. "This isn't stealing signs or illegal taping or somebody sabotaging something. It was just a guy, reacting."

The NFL implemented the so-called Steve Tasker rule, a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to deter gunners from intentionally running out of bounds to avoid a press.

Dolphins safety Reshad Jones was flagged for the Tasker rule two punts before Jets strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi stuck his knee into Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll, creating a firestorm of controversy.

"You think this is the first time [a trip] ever happened? Come on," Tasker said. "Guys were always giving me extra shoves. You don't want to see someone get hurt, but it's not a big deal. Why wouldn't you give a guy a forearm shiver? Everyone on the sideline is part of a team and they all want to win. Shoot, even the doctors are competitive.

"If [the Jets] are coached to do that, so what? Call a penalty on them. If a gunner is going to use the sideline as a weapon, like I did, why wouldn't you want to form a road block? There's nothing wrong with that as long as it's within the rules."

 

[road warrior]

Why was the player running so far out of bounds ?

People's view of this situation is obviously being heavily influenced by NY Jets hatred.

That's funny. I live in NY, and listenting to local sports talk radio, their fans what him fired along with a full investigation.

 

[Sudsy]

Why was the player running so far out of bounds ?

A flag should have been thrown on the Miami Dolphin. The gunner is supposed to return to the field of play at the same spot where he was pushed out of bounds. He is not allowed to run down the sidelines unencumbered by opposing blockers. That is AGAINST THE RULES!The Jets assistant at the center of this brouhaha was merely enforcing the rules.

As Steve Tasker said, he should have gotten a forearm shiver for doing that.

People's view of this situation is obviously being heavily influenced by NY Jets hatred.

As is only just.

 

[fatness]

The Jets assistant at the center of this brouhaha was merely enforcing the rules.

 

[fatness]

in 2004.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

People wanting to hatch conspiracies should probably consider the most simple ones first. If you are using the "Why is Rex looking at the gunner/Sal Alosi instead of the live ball" evidence should know it's a hell of alot more likely that Rex was probably looking at Sal wondering WTF he was doing. If Rex was involved in some idea to use Sal to trip a Dolphins player, why would you think he'd be staring right at the crime? He'd want to be pretty removed from it.

You think Rex happened to catch the slight knee flex that caused the trip? Or are you insinuating that he was so surprised to see "the wall" for the first time that he started staring at the play (despite his own player saying they had been doing it all season)?

Do you think he should be surprised at something he's seen many times before?

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

He's a cheater, but we don't need to drag his name through the mud when he's unwarranted.

 

[captain_amazing]

That was awesome. He needs to get the 'ole pads back on .

 

[Rovers]

So, after all is said and done... based on player interviews etc...

Miami was doing some gamemanship of thier own, sending their gunners as far as six yards out of bounds, and proof of that is the fact that they had already drawn a very rare flag for this infraction earlier in the game, but continued to do it. So what, happens all the time and is rarely inforced.

A Jets asst coach who does have at least some game day duties on the field told some players to stand in the coach's box with him. Players and other often stand in the coach's box, but it is also a rule that is rarley inforced. It was gamemanship to answer Miami's gamemanship.

None of it means anything, with the exception thjat an idiot named Alosi interferred with an opposing player during a live play.

Other than that, the rest of it are just things that happen all the time in the NFL.

The fallout will be enforcing both previuosly nearly ignored rules:

1. Where players and coaches have to stand on the sideline

2. Making sure gunners don't stay 6 yards out of bounds without making an attempt to re-enter the field of play.

 

[captain_amazing]

So, after all is said and done... based on player interviews etc...Miami was doing some gamemanship of thier own, sending their gunners as far as six yards out of bounds, and proof of that is the fact that they had already drawn a very rare flag for this infraction earlier in the game, but continued to do it. So what, happens all the time and is rarely inforced. A Jets asst coach who does have at least some game day duties on the field told some players to stand in the coach's box with him. Players and other often stand in the coach's box, but it is also a rule that is rarley inforced. It was gamemanship to answer Miami's gamemanship. None of it means anything, with the exception thjat an idiot named Alosi interferred with an opposing player during a live play. Other than that, the rest of it are just things that happen all the time in the NFL. The fallout will be enforcing both previuosly nearly ignored rules:1. Where players and coaches have to stand on the sideline2. Making sure gunners don't stay 6 yards out of bounds without making an attempt to re-enter the field of play.

So overblown. Like many other similar things.....

 

[PatsFanCT]

So, after all is said and done... based on player interviews etc...Miami was doing some gamemanship of thier own, sending their gunners as far as six yards out of bounds, and proof of that is the fact that they had already drawn a very rare flag for this infraction earlier in the game, but continued to do it. So what, happens all the time and is rarely inforced. A Jets asst coach who does have at least some game day duties on the field told some players to stand in the coach's box with him. Players and other often stand in the coach's box, but it is also a rule that is rarley inforced. It was gamemanship to answer Miami's gamemanship. None of it means anything, with the exception thjat an idiot named Alosi interferred with an opposing player during a live play. Other than that, the rest of it are just things that happen all the time in the NFL. The fallout will be enforcing both previuosly nearly ignored rules:1. Where players and coaches have to stand on the sideline2. Making sure gunners don't stay 6 yards out of bounds without making an attempt to re-enter the field of play.

Whatever makes you feel better dude. Two Jets players pushed the gunner out of bounds at the "coaches wall" and Alosi intentionally tripped him. But you still insist on blaming the Miami player.You are making this thing out to be a bigger deal than it is with all these ridiculous posts. Drop it, and this thread will die. Or keep posting nonsense and let it drag on.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Jay Glazer on Thursday Night Kickoff just said the tripping incident couldn't have been thought of by a Alosi by himself. It was complete conjecture though. Nice work, stoking the coals, Glazer

 

[fatness]

A Jets asst coach who does have at least some game day duties on the field told some players to stand in the coach's box with him. Players and other often stand in the coach's box, but it is also a rule that is rarley inforced. It was gamemanship to answer Miami's gamemanship.

None of it means anything, with the exception thjat an idiot named Alosi interferred with an opposing player during a live play.

Why try to obscure the fact that the bolded are the same person?It was a Jets coach tripping a Miami player during a game. The only people that means nothing to are you and about 6 others.

 

[Tybeeman]

I didn't read through all 373+ replies, so I'm sure this has been said already by many. That intentional trip was one of the lowest, cheapest, bush league moves I've ever seen in my 35+ years watching football. The guy needs to be fired, end of story.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

wtf are you talking about?

 

[Adebisi]

 

[BeaverCleaver]

 

[Dizzy]

Not seeing a trip, but go back and watch the video again... clearly a case of directional farting by Coach Belichick. Catching the ref in the cross wind made it a two-fer.You can tell by Harrison's reaction.

 

[ookook]

Too often the Jets have seemed to follow the Pats lead; most often too their detriment.

In this case, I really cannot see how the strength and conditioning coach is not entirely dispensible. How many other could do that job? Why stubborningly keep him on the payroll.

I really hate to be a conspiracy rocker, but in this case the most plausible explanation is that he was not the source of the directive to stand there, and perhaps initiate contact.

How in the world with the PR issues has this guy NOT been already fired? I would entertain other plausible explanations.

 

[Reaper]

Too often the Jets have seemed to follow the Pats lead; most often too their detriment.

Honestly, and this is 100% Compliment.... The Patriots are so good and so aware of every single rule that they ALWAYS toe the line, so to speak. So, yeah, any time an NFL team goes over the line, you look back and say, Whoa!!! but the Patriots are right there as well... Yeah, the Pats are there to test every single rule. And that's what a good team should do.....

If the Jets saw Miami Gunners over-using the sidelines like the guy who was penalized a few plays before then yeah, a really good team should quietly get a few guys to line up on the sidelines. NEVER touch a player or lean into the field of play but, if people are allowed up to the white then, bring em until told otherwise with nothing more than a warning.

 

[Sudsy]

I understand that the wall was composed of injured players. I think the league should order the Jets sideline cleared of visitors, guests, injured players, former players, rap stars, owner's kids, whoever, for one full year. Set a reasonable limit for numbers of coaches, trainers, equipment folks and the like so that the Jets are at no competitive disadvantage, but still punish the organization. This will piss them off. It will single them out and mark them.

 

[fatness]

As one league insider explained it to us, strength coaches simply aren’t involved in on-field tactics. On game days, they’re not really “coaches” at all. Their work is done. Strength coaches aren’t typically going to think of strategies for helping the on-field interests of the team, and if in the rare case a strength coach does indeed have an epiphany about something that could benefit the cause, he’s not going to implement it without telling the head coach or the special-teams coordinator.

Alosi’s wrongdoing assumed a higher level of culpability when he lied to the team and the media on Monday about not instructing others to stand on the edge of the white stripe in the hopes of limiting Carroll’s ability to run out of bounds. Most employers will immediately fire an employee who lies within the confines of an internal investigation.

If Alosi isn’t fired, we’ll assume that his ultimate punishment for sticking out his knee while doing what he was told to do will be assuming the public blame for telling others to stand there. If he instead ends up leaving the team, it likely will come after he has signed a document that states unequivocally that no one else told him to do it — along with a document that gives him a severance package in exchange for a waiver of all claims and, more importantly for the Jets, a commitment to never talk about the situation publicly or privately.

linkAlosi's going to make pretty good money off this.