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Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player (1 Viewer)

So, there is not a snowball's chance in Hades that Carroll may have taken a dive? He was blinded by pain for two minutes, writhing on the ground, walked off without even a limp, played the enitre fourth quarter after missing the last 3 minutes of the third, and it's preposterous to wonder if he took a dive. Um... OK, carry on. I guess I'm crazy for even thinking there might have been a chance he took a dive. On a somewhat related topic, I am impressed with Rothlisberger's quickness when he got slapped in the facemask a couple weeks ago. He dropped like a rock. The man must be super human to be able to dive so quickly with little to no warning. :excited: :lmao:
Roethlisberger's dating life has prepared him for getting slapped.
:lmao: :kicksrock:
 
So, there is not a snowball's chance in Hades that Carroll may have taken a dive? He was blinded by pain for two minutes, writhing on the ground, walked off without even a limp, played the enitre fourth quarter after missing the last 3 minutes of the third, and it's preposterous to wonder if he took a dive. Um... OK, carry on. I guess I'm crazy for even thinking there might have been a chance he took a dive. On a somewhat related topic, I am impressed with Rothlisberger's quickness when he got slapped in the facemask a couple weeks ago. He dropped like a rock. The man must be super human to be able to dive so quickly with little to no warning. :lmao: :lmao:
Looked like he gave Carroll a severe "Dead Leg". That's what it was called when I was a kid. It's like hitting your funny-bone except for the leg rather than the arm, when hit in the thigh. Have someone knee you in the side of the upper thigh, between the knee an hip, doesn't have to be real hard to get your leg tingling like when your foot falls asleep. Running full tilt and having it happen, doesn't surprise me that Carroll rolled around for a bit.
 
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Combined with the screen capture someone posted earlier, and watching and re-watching the video, it's pretty clear to me that Rex knew what was going on. Since when do head coaches watch gunners? Rex watches Carroll exclusively on this punt. Why? What's so great about him? The ball is in the air, and Rex is watching a gunner?

Look, the Dolphins may have very well been getting away with it all game, and Rex might have made mention to the refs to no avail. So he took matters into his own hands. "You six block that SOB next time he tries running up the sideline."

Alosi took it too far, but those "assistants" were set there intentionally, there is no doubt in my mind. The second "assistant", the black dude next to Alosi... even he dips his shoulder in.

 
Combined with the screen capture someone posted earlier, and watching and re-watching the video, it's pretty clear to me that Rex knew what was going on. Since when do head coaches watch gunners? Rex watches Carroll exclusively on this punt. Why? What's so great about him? The ball is in the air, and Rex is watching a gunner?

Look, the Dolphins may have very well been getting away with it all game, and Rex might have made mention to the refs to no avail. So he took matters into his own hands. "You six block that SOB next time he tries running up the sideline."

Alosi took it too far, but those "assistants" were set there intentionally, there is no doubt in my mind. The second "assistant", the black dude next to Alosi... even he dips his shoulder in.
I think this is a very fair assessment. Those "assistants" were indeed getting ready to be run into. They were bracing themselves because they knew Carroll would be well out of bounds, beyond even the white apron, which he was. And, he was out there for a good 9 to 10 yards, not just a couple of steps. Unfortunatley, the tape doesn't show that part of the play very well, but when they go to the sideline shot, Carroll's trailing foot is well outside the white apron. He had been even further out than that. He had already started to angle back towards the field at that point, maybe because he saw the wall of bodies positioned there. I don't think it's crazy to assume that this was a situation that started with Miami's first punt, and escalated. Both teams had an idea of what was going on. That is pretty much all I have been trying to say all along. I also don't think it's a stretch to assume Carroll might have been expecting something like this to happen either. (obviously not the knee being extended part of it) but yeah, I do have my crazed suspicions.

 
Combined with the screen capture someone posted earlier, and watching and re-watching the video, it's pretty clear to me that Rex knew what was going on. Since when do head coaches watch gunners? Rex watches Carroll exclusively on this punt. Why? What's so great about him? The ball is in the air, and Rex is watching a gunner?

Look, the Dolphins may have very well been getting away with it all game, and Rex might have made mention to the refs to no avail. So he took matters into his own hands. "You six block that SOB next time he tries running up the sideline."

Alosi took it too far, but those "assistants" were set there intentionally, there is no doubt in my mind. The second "assistant", the black dude next to Alosi... even he dips his shoulder in.
I think this is a very fair assessment. Those "assistants" were indeed getting ready to be run into. They were bracing themselves because they knew Carroll would be well out of bounds, beyond even the white apron, which he was. And, he was out there for a good 9 to 10 yards, not just a couple of steps. Unfortunatley, the tape doesn't show that part of the play very well, but when they go to the sideline shot, Carroll's trailing foot is well outside the white apron. He had been even further out than that. He had already started to angle back towards the field at that point, maybe because he saw the wall of bodies positioned there. I don't think it's crazy to assume that this was a situation that started with Miami's first punt, and escalated. Both teams had an idea of what was going on. That is pretty much all I have been trying to say all along. I also don't think it's a stretch to assume Carroll might have been expecting something like this to happen either. (obviously not the knee being extended part of it) but yeah, I do have my crazed suspicions.
You are delusional. The 6 assistants are toeing the stripe, and Ryan, 4-5 yards BEHIND where they are standing, is not watching the play, but the gunner, who is probably 30-40 yards BEHIND where the ball is.... OK.You Jets fans believing this, or using this as an escape from Cliff Lee turning down the Yankees???

 
Combined with the screen capture someone posted earlier, and watching and re-watching the video, it's pretty clear to me that Rex knew what was going on. Since when do head coaches watch gunners? Rex watches Carroll exclusively on this punt. Why? What's so great about him? The ball is in the air, and Rex is watching a gunner?

Look, the Dolphins may have very well been getting away with it all game, and Rex might have made mention to the refs to no avail. So he took matters into his own hands. "You six block that SOB next time he tries running up the sideline."

Alosi took it too far, but those "assistants" were set there intentionally, there is no doubt in my mind. The second "assistant", the black dude next to Alosi... even he dips his shoulder in.
I think this is a very fair assessment. Those "assistants" were indeed getting ready to be run into. They were bracing themselves because they knew Carroll would be well out of bounds, beyond even the white apron, which he was. And, he was out there for a good 9 to 10 yards, not just a couple of steps. Unfortunatley, the tape doesn't show that part of the play very well, but when they go to the sideline shot, Carroll's trailing foot is well outside the white apron. He had been even further out than that. He had already started to angle back towards the field at that point, maybe because he saw the wall of bodies positioned there. I don't think it's crazy to assume that this was a situation that started with Miami's first punt, and escalated. Both teams had an idea of what was going on. That is pretty much all I have been trying to say all along. I also don't think it's a stretch to assume Carroll might have been expecting something like this to happen either. (obviously not the knee being extended part of it) but yeah, I do have my crazed suspicions.
You are delusional. The 6 assistants are toeing the stripe, and Ryan, 4-5 yards BEHIND where they are standing, is not watching the play, but the gunner, who is probably 30-40 yards BEHIND where the ball is.... OK.You Jets fans believing this, or using this as an escape from Cliff Lee turning down the Yankees???
As far as I can tell, I agree with you... so would that make you delusional too?
 
So, there is not a snowball's chance in Hades that Carroll may have taken a dive? He was blinded by pain for two minutes, writhing on the ground, walked off without even a limp, played the enitre fourth quarter after missing the last 3 minutes of the third, and it's preposterous to wonder if he took a dive. Um... OK, carry on. I guess I'm crazy for even thinking there might have been a chance he took a dive. On a somewhat related topic, I am impressed with Rothlisberger's quickness when he got slapped in the facemask a couple weeks ago. He dropped like a rock. The man must be super human to be able to dive so quickly with little to no warning. :thumbup: :rant:
he took a dive!! :rant: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I don't know what is more embarrassing for jets fans, sal alosi or this post.
 
Rovers said:
Alosi... sounds Italian. I wonder what he charges for a broken thumb? Is he that criminal element we hear about on occassion in the NFL?
I know the pronunciation can be deceiving, but I'm pretty sure that Sal Alosi is Chinese, so enough with the stereotyping Guido.
 
Rovers said:
Alosi... sounds Italian. I wonder what he charges for a broken thumb? Is he that criminal element we hear about on occassion in the NFL?
I know the pronunciation can be deceiving, but I'm pretty sure that Sal Alosi is Chinese, so enough with the stereotyping Guido.
I HOPE this was an attempt at humor? :bag: I'm no expert on facial features that indicate Asian/Chinese descent... but this ain't it: Sal Alosi

 
Rovers said:
Alosi... sounds Italian. I wonder what he charges for a broken thumb? Is he that criminal element we hear about on occassion in the NFL?
I know the pronunciation can be deceiving, but I'm pretty sure that Sal Alosi is Chinese, so enough with the stereotyping Guido.
I HOPE this was an attempt at humor? :goodposting: I'm no expert on facial features that indicate Asian/Chinese descent... but this ain't it: Sal Alosi
:shrug:
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5922926

The New York Jets have suspended Sal Alosi indefinitely after the team got "new information" that the strength and conditioning coach "instructed" five players to stand in a wall before he tripped a Dolphins player on Sunday.
Suuuuuuurree it was Alosi who instructed it. Those S&C coaches pay specific attention to Special Teams play all the time.
That statement was complete BS. Jets org seems to be hiding something. From the pictures I saw, it wasn't the players that were lined up, it was the assistant coaches. Notice they didn't mention this.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5922926

The New York Jets have suspended Sal Alosi indefinitely after the team got "new information" that the strength and conditioning coach "instructed" five players to stand in a wall before he tripped a Dolphins player on Sunday.
Suuuuuuurree it was Alosi who instructed it. Those S&C coaches pay specific attention to Special Teams play all the time.
That statement was complete BS. Jets org seems to be hiding something. From the pictures I saw, it wasn't the players that were lined up, it was the assistant coaches. Notice they didn't mention this.
Those pesky strength and conditioning coaches. Always injecting themselves into the gameplan.
 
The only reason I can think of for suspending him indefinitely instead of firing him at this point is because they're protecting someone higher up than Alosi.

 
The only reason I can think of for suspending him indefinitely instead of firing him at this point is because they're protecting someone higher up than Alosi.
Exactly. I am sure sometime, somewhere Alosi will be "put right" for the money he lost. Again, I do not fault the guy. The Jets definitely set this up. Maybe Alosi and the other guy who dipped his shoulder was going "beyond the call" to try and hurt the guy, but maybe not. In any case, I am sure Alosi will see a salary bump next year when all is said and done, and likely another Job either in the organization or another J&J company for the interim to make him whole.
 
Why in the world would a Strength and Conditioning Coach go off on his own and assemble a rogue group of practice squad players to stand in an area that the NFL clearly says is for "coaches and substitution players only"?

 
Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star Ledger tweet:

TE Jeff Cumberland, one of the players in the wall, said Alosi gave the instructions and they've done it all season.

 
Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star Ledger tweet:

TE Jeff Cumberland, one of the players in the wall, said Alosi gave the instructions and they've done it all season.
"Over the last day as we continued our investigation we discovered some new information," Tannenbaum said. "The players at the Miami game were instructed by Sal to stand where they were forcing the gunner in the game to run around them. Based on that new information we've suspended Sal indefinitely, pending further review.

Tannenbaum said that as soon as the team learned the new information, the Jets contacted NFL vice president of football operations Ray Anderson.
So who's lying...Cumberland or Tannenbaum?
 
I find it amusing that so many posters can assume and accuse Ryan of even going so far as to having Alosi ordered to trip, even injure Carroll, but those same posters think it's nuts to even suggest that Carroll might have been expecting something to happen. Then there is another unreasonable assumption that Alosi on game days can't possibly have other assistant coaching duties. He may be there to assist trainers with players who might have a hammy tighten up, he might be counting players on the field for ST's, any number of game day duties. He's been around football a long time.

I'm not the delusional one... this is a situation where posters hate the Jets so much they want to beleive the worst and jump to any conclusion that puts Ryan in the worst possible light. Ryan shoots his mouth off, a LOT. Hate him for that. Fine. But if he is as dirty as many of you say, would players love him as much as they do?

Now Rex is guitly because his father did stupid chit? Really? :confused: I guess Mangini better fire Rex's brother, clearly the whole family is criminally insane. ;)

 
Love how the Special Teams coach 1) didn't know about it but then 2) said that everybody does it. Kinda telling IMO.

What will be the ultimate result of all this. Certainly bad news for Alosi who is going to be the fall guy (but you can bet that the upper levels of the coaching staff knew - I mean let's be real here) and ultimately the NFL will start having hard enforcement of where people are standing relative to the sideline (i.e. the white area will be clean - which it is supposed to be). They'll call it a point of emphasis.

As to whether "everybody" does it - well that's a matter of the tape but the Jets were the ones caught crossing over that line between standing there and being a little more, um, proactive as it were.

-QG

 
He may be there to assist trainers with players who might have a hammy tighten up
Hammy Tenderizer gone rogue?He was just tripping a player on the other team during a play to loosen someone's hamstring. I see. :goodposting:
 
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I find it amusing that so many posters can assume and accuse Ryan of even going so far as to having Alosi ordered to trip, even injure Carroll, but those same posters think it's nuts to even suggest that Carroll might have been expecting something to happen. Then there is another unreasonable assumption that Alosi on game days can't possibly have other assistant coaching duties. He may be there to assist trainers with players who might have a hammy tighten up, he might be counting players on the field for ST's, any number of game day duties. He's been around football a long time. I'm not the delusional one... this is a situation where posters hate the Jets so much they want to beleive the worst and jump to any conclusion that puts Ryan in the worst possible light. Ryan shoots his mouth off, a LOT. Hate him for that. Fine. But if he is as dirty as many of you say, would players love him as much as they do? Now Rex is guitly because his father did stupid chit? Really? :thumbup: I guess Mangini better fire Rex's brother, clearly the whole family is criminally insane. :thumbup:
First of all, yes, you are the most delusional one here because you are accusing Carroll of running into Alosi's knee and taking a dive. Carroll is knocked out of bounds by two Jets players, right into an intentional wall of Jets assistance/players and you are blaming him for this incident.However, I do agree people are going a little overboard on this whole thing. It's football. People get hit and knocked down every game. No harm, no foul. Had Carroll actually had some kind of serious injury, then fine, fire the guy and move on.You are correct about one thing though, I do hate the Jets.
 
Of course it was just a matter of time before someone on the Jets tried to drag New England into this mess. :PPer PFT:

Westhoff accuses Patriots of building sideline wall, tooPosted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2010, 3:50 PM ESTThe NFL opted not to investigate whether the Jets orchestrated the placement of strength coach Sal Alosi and others along the white stripe when the Dolphins were punting on Sunday because, in our view, the NFL didn’t want to start down that particular rabbit hole. Indeed, now that we know the Jets were lining up personnel on the sideline in a shoulder-to-shoulder, foot-to-foot formation, it’s safe to assume that others have engaged in similar tactics.Jets special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff, in a Wednesday visit with the Waddle & Silvy Show on ESPN 1000 in Chicago, said that the Patriots engage in similar tactics.“A number of teams do it,” Westhoff said. “There is a pretty good team up north that lines their whole defense up when they do it, so it’s something that just kind of happened.”Asked if he’s saying the Patriots line up players to impede punt coverage teams, Westhoff elaborated. “Well, if you watch them, their defense when the opponents’ punt team is out there,” Westhoof said. “They’re up there pretty close to the line so it looks like they are trying to do it. Now are they doing anything illegal? Are they tripping anybody, heck no. I’m not saying that. That’s not the point. But, yeah, they’re lined up there. Is it making a difference? I don’t know. I really don’t know, because to tell you the truth before this happened I never really looked at anybody’s sideline in all my years.”Westhoff also reiterated his position that, as it relates to the Jets, “I had nothing to do with it” and “I didn’t even know we were doing it.” He admitted that “anything that happens on special teams is a reflection on me, that’s how I look at it, and I don’t teach it, I don’t coach it, I didn’t know we were doing it, but the fact that it happens I’ve got to get involved.”Our guess? The Jets were willing to look the other way, but Westhoff was frustrated by the fact that people (like us) were assuming that he had knowledge of and/or involvement in the tactic. And so we think Westhoff insisted on the team getting to the bottom of it, so that his name could be cleared.That said, Westhoff has now implicated the Patriots. And we assume the Patriots will be responding.Finally, we’re having trouble reconciling Westhoff’s mixed signals regarding the situation. When discussing his belief that the Patriots do it, he acts like it’s no big deal. But he’s apparently offended by the suggestion that he instructed guys to stand on the edge of the white stripe but not try to trip opposing players.
 
Of course it was just a matter of time before someone on the Jets tried to drag New England into this mess. :confused:

Per PFT:

“A number of teams do it,” Westhoff said. “There is a pretty good team up north that lines their whole defense up when they do it, so it’s something that just kind of happened.”

Asked if he’s saying the Patriots line up players to impede punt coverage teams, Westhoff elaborated. “Well, if you watch them, their defense when the opponents’ punt team is out there,” Westhoof said. “They’re up there pretty close to the line so it looks like they are trying to do it. Now are they doing anything illegal? Are they tripping anybody, heck no. I’m not saying that. That’s not the point. But, yeah, they’re lined up there. Is it making a difference? I don’t know. I really don’t know, because to tell you the truth before this happened I never really looked at anybody’s sideline in all my years.
I wouldn't be surprised if more teams did it, but this dude needs to proofread his statements...I've seen the Patriots do it, but I never looked at anybody's line before.

 
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5922926

The New York Jets have suspended Sal Alosi indefinitely after the team got "new information" that the strength and conditioning coach "instructed" five players to stand in a wall before he tripped a Dolphins player on Sunday.
Suuuuuuurree it was Alosi who instructed it. Those S&C coaches pay specific attention to Special Teams play all the time.
That statement was complete BS. Jets org seems to be hiding something. From the pictures I saw, it wasn't the players that were lined up, it was the assistant coaches. Notice they didn't mention this.
That kinda jumped out at me from both articles I read. Each has all these uotes and chatter about players forming a wall, and no mention of the wall of coaches in this incident. Curious.
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-Yor...finitely-121510

The New York Jets on Wednesday announced they were suspending strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi "indefinitely'' because they learned Alosi had instructed the non-uniformed players to form a human wall on the sideline in the Miami game.

After further internal investigation, the Jets said they uncovered new information that Alosi had told the inactive players standing near him to form the wall.

''As we continued our investigation, we discovered some new information,'' Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said in a conference call from the NFL owners meetings in Dallas, ''and the players at the Miami game were instructed by Sal to stand where they were to force the gunner in the game to run around them.''

According to Tannenbaum, that was information Alosi did not initially volunteer Monday, and the Jets alerted the league of this and extended Alosi's suspension indefinitely. Tannenbaum added that the NFL was also looking into the incident.

"Over the course of the next couple of days, more information came out that really doesn't sit well with us," Tannenbaum said.

Asked if Alosi might be fired, Tannenbaum said, "All options are on the table.''

League spokesman Greg Aiello said that ''Ray Anderson and his staff are reviewing and clarifying sideline protocols with the teams at today's league meeting and will follow up with a memo to the clubs this week.''

"Once we get all the information, we'll make a final determination," Tannenbaum said. "But, based on this information, Sal's been suspended indefinitely."

The Jets on Monday suspended Alosi for the season without pay and fined him an additional $25,000 after he stuck out a knee and tripped Miami's Nolan Carroll, who was covering the punt in the third quarter of the Dolphins' 10-6 win Sunday. Carroll stayed down on the field for several minutes after the play but was not injured.

During a news conference Monday, Alosi fought back tears as he called his actions - tripping Carroll - "inexcusable and irresponsible." He also said no one was instructed to stay up on the sideline to prevent Dolphins players from running out of bounds on kicks. Miami's Reshad Jones was penalized for doing that earlier in the game.

However, tight end Jeff Cumberland, who was inactive Sunday, said it was nothing new for the players to line up next to each other as they did against the Dolphins.

"Since the beginning of the year, we've been instructed to line up behind the (white) line," he said, adding that it was only Alosi who has told them to do so.

He added that coach Rex Ryan and special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff were not involved.

"It caught me off guard," Ryan said.

Westhoff said he doesn't teach the technique and reviewed every return by the Jets this season with assistant special teams coordinator Ben Kotwica.

"For the most part," Westhoff said, "we didn't see it."

Westhoff said he didn't believe it when he first heard that players might have been ordered to stand together along the sideline.

"I was like, 'Please, give me a break. The whole thing is ridiculous,"' Westhoff said. "Then, when I saw it, I was like, 'Whoa.' You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see they were lined up."

Westhoff added that other teams may use the wall, and singled out the New England Patriots as one that has.

"I'm not accusing the Patriots of doing something wrong," Westhoff said. "Maybe they're doing something smart. Watch the tape, you tell me."

Tannenbaum said the team looked at film of the play and ''it looked to me like it was unusual for them to be standing that way.'' The Jets interviewed the players who were standing near Alosi but will not take any action against them.

''This is just about Sal,'' Tannenbaum said.

A former linebacker at Hofstra, Alosi earned an award for sportsmanship and fair play both on and off the field during his college career.

"I'm really disappointed," Tannenbaum said. "Sal's done a lot of good things as the strength and conditioning coach and done a lot of good things for the organization, but, yeah, I'm very disappointed with what's happened."

Carroll left the game Sunday with a muscle spasm, but returned in the fourth quarter. Alosi later apologized to him and Dolphins coach Tony Sparano.

"I'm glad he called me," Carroll said Wednesday. "He admitted it to me, like a man. He was sorry."

 
"Since the beginning of the year, we've been instructed to line up behind the (white) line," he said, adding that it was only Alosi who has told them to do so.
:lol: at the notion of pro football players blindly taking direction from the strength & conditioning coach on matters that aren't related to strength and conditioning.
 
"Since the beginning of the year, we've been instructed to line up behind the (white) line," he said, adding that it was only Alosi who has told them to do so.
:stalker: at the notion of pro football players blindly taking direction from the strength & conditioning coach on matters that aren't related to strength and conditioning.
Actually, I've read that Alosi was the "get back" coach (no link, hearsay at a Jets site), it was actually his job on game days to make sure players remained off the field and stayed where they are supposed to stay on the sidelines. As for whtehr or not Alosi might have been behind the entire thing, I found Golic's comments interesting:http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5922926

So, if Alosi was indeed the "get back" coach, having been around the NFL for 10 years... sure, the players would do what he tells them to do.

 
This is all just dumb. Westhoff knows that a lot of teams do it, the Patriots do it, but never paid attention to the other team's sideline in his life, and doesn't even know what's going on on his own sideline?

At least Belichick took responsibility and didn't try to blame his cheating on someone else. He didn't even say, "everyone else does it." Man up, take responsibility, and pay the price. It's not like something like that is worth a draft pick. Outside of the intent to contact the player, this is just gamesmanship. Maybe worth a rule clarification, but not much else.

Honestly, Ryan and Westhoff come off looking like they don't have a grip on their own team.

 
This is all just dumb. Westhoff knows that a lot of teams do it, the Patriots do it, but never paid attention to the other team's sideline in his life, and doesn't even know what's going on on his own sideline?At least Belichick took responsibility and didn't try to blame his cheating on someone else. He didn't even say, "everyone else does it." Man up, take responsibility, and pay the price. It's not like something like that is worth a draft pick. Outside of the intent to contact the player, this is just gamesmanship. Maybe worth a rule clarification, but not much else.Honestly, Ryan and Westhoff come off looking like they don't have a grip on their own team.
I'm just curious - do Pats fans have like a built in sensory organ that goes off when someone is even thinking something bad about their team?Jimminy Christmas, defensive much?
 
This is all just dumb. Westhoff knows that a lot of teams do it, the Patriots do it, but never paid attention to the other team's sideline in his life, and doesn't even know what's going on on his own sideline?At least Belichick took responsibility and didn't try to blame his cheating on someone else. He didn't even say, "everyone else does it." Man up, take responsibility, and pay the price. It's not like something like that is worth a draft pick. Outside of the intent to contact the player, this is just gamesmanship. Maybe worth a rule clarification, but not much else.Honestly, Ryan and Westhoff come off looking like they don't have a grip on their own team.
I'm just curious - do Pats fans have like a built in sensory organ that goes off when someone is even thinking something bad about their team?Jimminy Christmas, defensive much?
Er...how is that defensive? I said right in there that this isn't a big deal, outside of the contact made. I'm saying that pointing fingers and saying you didn't even know your team was doing it is both childish and makes you look like a coach who isn't in control of his team.Just because I'm a Pats fan doesn't mean I'm not allowed to comment on this kind of stuff - I mean, this is the big news story of the week.
 
This is all just dumb. Westhoff knows that a lot of teams do it, the Patriots do it, but never paid attention to the other team's sideline in his life, and doesn't even know what's going on on his own sideline?At least Belichick took responsibility and didn't try to blame his cheating on someone else. He didn't even say, "everyone else does it." Man up, take responsibility, and pay the price. It's not like something like that is worth a draft pick. Outside of the intent to contact the player, this is just gamesmanship. Maybe worth a rule clarification, but not much else.Honestly, Ryan and Westhoff come off looking like they don't have a grip on their own team.
:wub: I agree with most of this. Though I think the "losing grip" part is overblown. Right away I said Westoff probably told the team "THIS is our sideline". Maybe he even saw Miami on tape a lot using the sideline.But, Rex could have explained it better..... as in "Yeah, we encourage our guys to line up to the field... but, no way in hell did we tell anyone to touch a player"case closed.
 
Westoff only reviewed the year's game films looking for this after the incident. That was when he saw the Pats doing it. That was part of the internal investigation the Jets did on the whole thing. Where players stand on the sideline wasn't something either Westoff or Ryan had previously been at all concerned with. That means they are losing the team? OK... wishful thinking.

 
Westoff only reviewed the year's game films looking for this after the incident. That was when he saw the Pats doing it. That was part of the internal investigation the Jets did on the whole thing. Where players stand on the sideline wasn't something either Westoff or Ryan had previously been at all concerned with. That means they are losing the team? OK... wishful thinking.
You really believe this garbage, really? If so you've got to be the biggest homer on the board. You really think this whole thing was organized by the strength and conditioning coach?
 
Westoff only reviewed the year's game films looking for this after the incident. That was when he saw the Pats doing it. That was part of the internal investigation the Jets did on the whole thing. Where players stand on the sideline wasn't something either Westoff or Ryan had previously been at all concerned with. That means they are losing the team? OK... wishful thinking.
You really believe this garbage, really? If so you've got to be the biggest homer on the board. You really think this whole thing was organized by the strength and conditioning coach?
listen......you conspiracy theorists need to stick to proving bush was behind 9/11.there are things called facts and common sense that should paint a very plain picture here, even for the poorly sighted.alosi happened to be lined up right at the line with a bunch of other guys that at first glance might appear to be a 'wall' to those with an axe to grind on the jets, but was in reality a pure coincidence.rex ryan, standing a few feet away, would clearly have known something was up, and he hasn't said any such thing.now, with a player barreling down on him, alosi sticks his knee out in front of the guy to brace himself for impact, while the wily player, knowing he'd make the guy brace himself in such a manner, and spying the knee out of the corner of his eye, throws himself to the ground in the hopes that this would all be caught on tape, and he'd undermine his rivals when their strength and conditioning coach got suspended.how dumb can some of you people be?
 
Westoff only reviewed the year's game films looking for this after the incident. That was when he saw the Pats doing it. That was part of the internal investigation the Jets did on the whole thing. Where players stand on the sideline wasn't something either Westoff or Ryan had previously been at all concerned with. That means they are losing the team? OK... wishful thinking.
Do the Pats do it... Hell yeah, so does every team. What the other 31 teams dont do, is intentionally try to effect the outcome of the game intentionally. Lining up players is not a penalty. lining up assistants who delibritly make contact with the play on the field is.I love how the J-E-S-T have to try to only implicate the Pats. They still are in a funk since their beat down, and are about to lose their third straight. They will fall out of the wild card slot soon...
 
I wonder how much the Jets pay Alosi to keep his mouth shut.
Make no mistake about it, if this costs Alosi his job, and he ends up being blackballed from the league, which is very possible, he won't keep quiet for that long, IF he was in fact told by Rex Ryan or anyone else above him to do what he did. And, no, I don't think Ryan or anyone else told him to specifically get in the way, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was told in a specific, but less wordy, way to maybe "get in the way" or make it not that easy for the gunner to get back in bounds should he get too close to them. There are ways of getting your point across to do something without actually saying the exact words. Note that I am still saying IF, so don't freak out, Jets fans.
 
I wonder how much the Jets pay Alosi to keep his mouth shut.
I find it hard to belive that Ryan didn't know the players/coaches were lining up on the sideline. Whether he told them to do it or not I doubt we will ever know.I also find it hard to belive that Ryan told Alosi to try to trip/knee a player as he came by. So what exactly would the Jets be paying him for? As far as I know it isn't against the rules to stand where they were as long as they don't obstuct a player in the field of play.
 
Ryan does seem somewhat more interested in the gunner than in the reception of the ball. I find that wierd, but single sample sizes can produce wierdness.

I would not have noticed Ryan had another poster above not pointed it out. Maybe he was looking over because someone shouted out a verbal warning. Maybe he knew something was afoot.

 

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