What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player (1 Viewer)

Amazing how many people here believe that he should be fired for a split second mistake, that is is admitting to and atoning for. I could see a fine, maybe even a small suspension, but a lot if people living in glass houses around here. I mean the guy prolly has a family and it's 2 weeks before christmas. You people are so hyperbolic about everything.
There’s probably a pretty SHORT list of actions that you can take as a coach that can result in your immediate dismissal… my guess is that tripping a player during game action is ON that list. And my assumption is that all coaches know this.
 
Amazing how many people here believe that he should be fired for a split second mistake, that is is admitting to and atoning for. I could see a fine, maybe even a small suspension, but a lot if people living in glass houses around here. I mean the guy prolly has a family and it's 2 weeks before christmas. You people are so hyperbolic about everything.
There’s probably a pretty SHORT list of actions that you can take as a coach that can result in your immediate dismissal… my guess is that tripping a player during game action is ON that list. And my assumption is that all coaches know this.
I agree with Rush Limbaugh. If he's liberal he'll keep his job. If he's conservative he's toast. :lmao:
 
Disgusting. Classless and pathetic. This joke of a coach should be fired immediately and fined severely. The Jets as a team should be fined and I hope they miss the playoffs. I actually like Rex Ryan but I am not a fan of his team and this only solidifies that dislike.
Amazing how many people here believe that he should be fired for a split second mistake, that is is admitting to and atoning for. I could see a fine, maybe even a small suspension, but a lot if people living in glass houses around here. I mean the guy prolly has a family and it's 2 weeks before christmas. You people are so hyperbolic about everything.
maybe he shouldn't be tripping people 2 weeks before xmas.can't the jets just fire him then apologize for doing it?if you think this was some spur of the moment thing you are bs'ing yourself ---- what you saw is who that guy really is, and what the culture of that organization is.there are people who would do that and people who wouldn't.
 
Amazing how many people here believe that he should be fired for a split second mistake, that is is admitting to and atoning for. I could see a fine, maybe even a small suspension, but a lot if people living in glass houses around here. I mean the guy prolly has a family and it's 2 weeks before christmas. You people are so hyperbolic about everything.
:goodposting: Seriously, a $25K fine is HUGE relative to what that guy probably makes. Seems a bit extreme to me.
 
Jay Glazer is reporting that Alosi is suspended for the rest of the season. :goodposting:
Fined 25K and the rest of 2010. The guy might make 100K so they are going to fine him 25% of his salary?? Try fining a NFL player 25% of his salary for trying to decapitate another player. Would never happen. This guy is an easy target.
 
Running down the sidelines out of bounds is illegal. Even if hit out of bounds, the player is required to make an immediate attempt to get back on the field of play.Where was the flag?While tripping him was a bush league move, it was made in the spur of the moment. Stupid, but not something deserving of a 3 page thread.
:moneybag:
 
December 12, 2010.

A date that will live in infamy.

He deserved what he got. That said, I'm sure he'll find a gig somewhere. It's not like he will starve.

 
C'mon, he was contributing to his teams culture. There were 6 similarly dressed assistants lined up, one of them was gonna get him eventually

 
Anyone know what the guys salary is? 25K is routine for millionare players, but has to be HUGE for a strength/conditioning coach. Seriously...it seems WAAAAAAY out of line.

 
Then he should have kept his knee to himself. Why the hell does the "weightlifting" coach need to be on the sidelines? wouldn't he be better served by the excersize bikes or something?

 
As soon as the Jets coach tripped the player, he influenced the play of the game. He became a participant. He should therefore be fined as a player.

His salary shouldn't even be part of the discussion. Players are not fined in accordance to their salary. They are fined by the severity of the offense.

 
if this happened at your work and you were just walking to your machine and some d bag tripped you that d bag would be fired plan and simple becuase there is no such place for tomfoolery at the workplace and OSHA has eyes and ears everywhere

So to be fair other guys should just able tot rip this guy whenever and whereever Hammurabi style the main man of the middle east back in the day

 
if this happened at your work and you were just walking to your machine and some d bag tripped you that d bag would be fired plan and simple becuase there is no such place for tomfoolery at the workplace and OSHA has eyes and ears everywhereSo to be fair other guys should just able tot rip this guy whenever and whereever Hammurabi style the main man of the middle east back in the day
????????????????????Puff, puff Pass.... not puff puff PUFF
 
Then he should have kept his knee to himself. Why the hell does the "weightlifting" coach need to be on the sidelines? wouldn't he be better served by the excersize bikes or something?
He's part of the training staff. :yes: Regardless, I'm sure it's a regular perk to have people associated with the team get on the sideline, at least every so often.
 
Did I hear the NFL will be contacting teams about where people stand, even when the are on the out of bounds line? Seems they know what is up with that...

 
As soon as the Jets coach tripped the player, he influenced the play of the game. He became a participant. He should therefore be fined as a player.His salary shouldn't even be part of the discussion. Players are not fined in accordance to their salary. They are fined by the severity of the offense.
:shrug: under this logic he was merely guilty of a 15 yard penalty and I think ejection from the game for participating from the bench. Though it does sound better than fining a guy 25% of his salary. I am sure some Jet brass, player, tycoon/fan will end up paying it...
 
As soon as the Jets coach tripped the player, he influenced the play of the game. He became a participant. He should therefore be fined as a player.

His salary shouldn't even be part of the discussion. Players are not fined in accordance to their salary. They are fined by the severity of the offense.
Think a player would ever be fined $25K for tripping?
 
This has been a pretty entertaining thread! :thumbup: Ryan certainly got what he wanted, the world does indeed hate the Jets!

I especially liked the conspiracy theorists who think that the Jets' inactive players and coaches set up a wedge to block Carroll while he was running out of bounds. They were all clearly ready to level him. They probably drew straws to see who could be at the end of the coaches box. That would have been during the huddle before the play though, and we have no clips of that.

Ryan BTW was too far back to even see what happened, but his involvement is apparent. I saw the look on his face, he knew he was guilty. We all did. He was definitely the ring leader. He thought by laying back and being low key his involvement would not come into question. But we all know better than that.

Carroll was clearly injured. That was no dive, the man was contacted and dropped like a quail during September in Oklahoma. The fact that he was out for the remaining three minutes of the third quarter is proof of that. You don't lie there writhing around for minutes without missing three minutes of the game.

Alosi... sounds Italian. I wonder what he charges for a broken thumb? Is he that criminal element we hear about on occassion in the NFL?

OK... what he did was beyond stupid. To say it was premeditaed is silliness. Pure conjecture, based on irrational judgements, and then... holy schikes... to say it was a wall of players and coaches ready to take Carroll out? One canNOT underestimate the sheer stupidity of the general public.

The guy did try to give Carroll a bump, no doubt. He did try to interfere with him. That much is obvious. Beyond that... how can anyone jump to so many of these absurd conclusions? I was on another FF site, and some even wanted jail time! Is this worse than Haynesworth stomping a helmetless player with his spikes?

I'm in no way defending the guy, just trying to put some rational perspective on the incident. What he did was REALLY stupid. He lost his job, got a big fine (based on salary) and he's pretty much ruined his career. I think that is punishment enough.

The Rex Ryan haters will want more, it's Ryan's fault yada yada yada... but it is the bed that Ryan made for himself. He and his team are targets now. He asked for that.

 
I wonder what they did to Tommy Lewis after the 1954 Cotton Bowl.

see 0:39
Gave him a :honda:The funny thing is when he and Dicky Maegle went on the Ed Sullivan show a few weeks later, they made Lewis look like the hero and Maegle was the bad guy. The producers put him up to saying "Mr., I guess I was just too full of Alabama". He has felt terrible about that play for the rest of his life. "I kept telling myself, 'I didn't do it. I didn't do it.' But I knew I had." He even gave a tearful apology to Maegle as they left the field at halftime.

The irony is most folks forgot who the all-American was who played seven years in the NFL; maybe its just an easier name to remember, but I've never met an SEC/'bama fan my age or older who didn't know who Tommy Lewis was. Both those guys are still alive and get calls every year about it, but Lewis has been suffering from Alzheimer's of late.

 
I wonder what they did to Tommy Lewis after the 1954 Cotton Bowl.

see 0:39
Gave him a :honda:The funny thing is when he and Dicky Maegle went on the Ed Sullivan show a few weeks later, they made Lewis look like the hero and Maegle was the bad guy. The producers put him up to saying "Mr., I guess I was just too full of Alabama". He has felt terrible about that play for the rest of his life. "I kept telling myself, 'I didn't do it. I didn't do it.' But I knew I had." He even gave a tearful apology to Maegle as they left the field at halftime.

The irony is most folks forgot who the all-American was who played seven years in the NFL; maybe its just an easier name to remember, but I've never met an SEC/'bama fan my age or older who didn't know who Tommy Lewis was. Both those guys are still alive and get calls every year about it, but Lewis has been suffering from Alzheimer's of late.
How's that? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I'd like to know why you say that.
 
As soon as the Jets coach tripped the player, he influenced the play of the game. He became a participant. He should therefore be fined as a player.

His salary shouldn't even be part of the discussion. Players are not fined in accordance to their salary. They are fined by the severity of the offense.
Think a player would ever be fined $25K for tripping?
If he was on the field at the start of the plan, no.If he was not one of his team's 11 players at the start of the play, yes.

 
Zach Thomas alleges Sal Alosi under orders

By Tim Graham

Dec 14 10:18 AM ET

Count former Miami Dolphins linebacker Zach Thomas among those who believe New York Jets strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi didn't commit a rogue act when infamously kneeing Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll on the sideline Sunday.

Thomas was a guest Tuesday morning on Miami sports radio station WQAM, visiting with host and former Dolphins tight end Joe Rose.

Thomas expressed misgivings about the way Alosi and inactive Jets players toed the sideline in a starched cordon.

"They had to be ordered to stand there because they're foot to foot," Thomas said. "There's four of them, side to side -- five of them, I mean -- on the edge of the coach's zone. They're only out there to restrict the space of the gunner, who is Nolan Carroll.

"But there's more to it because I'm telling you, the only thing [Alosi] did wrong was intentionally put that knee out there. If he just stood there, there would never have been a problem, even if the guy got tripped. But there's more to this. He was ordered to stand there. No one is foot to foot on the sideline in the coach's box."

Jets special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff was with the Dolphins for Thomas' first five pro seasons. But Thomas suggested he'd never seen anything like the sideline phalanx that created trouble Sunday.

"Maybe they were cold and just trying to get warm, snuggle with each other on the sidelines," Thomas said.

 
I wonder what they did to Tommy Lewis after the 1954 Cotton Bowl.

see 0:39
Gave him a :honda:The funny thing is when he and Dicky Maegle went on the Ed Sullivan show a few weeks later, they made Lewis look like the hero and Maegle was the bad guy. The producers put him up to saying "Mr., I guess I was just too full of Alabama". He has felt terrible about that play for the rest of his life. "I kept telling myself, 'I didn't do it. I didn't do it.' But I knew I had." He even gave a tearful apology to Maegle as they left the field at halftime.

The irony is most folks forgot who the all-American was who played seven years in the NFL; maybe its just an easier name to remember, but I've never met an SEC/'bama fan my age or older who didn't know who Tommy Lewis was. Both those guys are still alive and get calls every year about it, but Lewis has been suffering from Alzheimer's of late.
How's that? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I'd like to know why you say that.
Because Dicky Maegle said it. I posted the link earlier in the thread.ETA: Knock yourself out

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Has anyone heard if the league office is just going to go alaong with the Jet's punishment of this doosh? Seems to me at the very least this guy should be banned from ever being on the sideline of an NFL game.

 
Godsbrother said:
Has anyone heard if the league office is just going to go alaong with the Jet's punishment of this doosh? Seems to me at the very least this guy should be banned from ever being on the sideline of an NFL game.
:bs: Relax.... He made a mistake. I mean let us not go into the countless players and coaches who make far greater mistakes (in games and real world) than was made be Alosi.He was punished heavily, but not everyone makes smart decisions in spur of the moment instances. He learned his lesson and move along.
 
How do we know he learned his lesson? Because he gave a canned apology that he only gave because he got caught?

Honestly, based on what Zach Thomas said, the lineup of coaches standing there definitely looks planned. Not saying he was told to actually trip a player, but it wouldn't surprise me. Most teams would have immediately fired someone who did that, but not the Jets. I guess this just reinforces the growing belief that the Jets are a dirty team, which can't be surprise when you look at their head coach and who his father was. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
How do we know he learned his lesson? Because he gave a canned apology that he only gave because he got caught? Honestly, based on what Zach Thomas said, the lineup of coaches standing there definitely looks planned. Not saying he was told to actually trip a player, but it wouldn't surprise me. Most teams would have immediately fired someone who did that, but not the Jets. I guess this just reinforces the growing belief that the Jets are a dirty team, which can't be surprise when you look at their head coach and who his father was. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?
Who cares if the coaches were told to stand there.... You always try to gain advantages in a game and if you don't do it within the rules of the game then you get punished for it. The mistake here was sticking his knee out to trip him. You also don't fire someone anytime a mistake is made. You treat every situation on an individual case. I don't see enough of a case to fire someone from this case alone.
 
Godsbrother said:
Has anyone heard if the league office is just going to go alaong with the Jet's punishment of this doosh? Seems to me at the very least this guy should be banned from ever being on the sideline of an NFL game.
Yes, they are. The league and the Jets worked out the punishment.
Chris Mortensen reported on ESPN’s SportsCenter that the league and the Jets currently are caucusing regarding the issue, and that a decision could come soon.
linkThe league also has refused to look into whether it was premeditated.

the question becomes whether and to what extent the six-man formation that was positioned on the edge of the white stripe that lines the field with a punt return set up toward that side of the field was: (1) spontaneous and coincidental; or (2) premeditated and orchestrated.

So we asked NFL spokesman Greg Aiello whether the league is investigating the situation. His answer?

“No.”
linkI supposed the league will destroy the video of the game too.

 
The mistake here was sticking his knee out to trip him. You also don't fire someone anytime a mistake is made. You treat every situation on an individual case. I don't see enough of a case to fire someone from this case alone.
What if the player had broken his ankle or torn a knee ligament? And why call it a mistake when it was a deliberate act?
 
The mistake here was sticking his knee out to trip him. You also don't fire someone anytime a mistake is made. You treat every situation on an individual case. I don't see enough of a case to fire someone from this case alone.
What if the player had broken his ankle or torn a knee ligament? And why call it a mistake when it was a deliberate act?
The player did not break his ankle or tear a ligament. You can't punish for what if's.It is also highly unlikely that it was a deliberate act, unless the coaches were told to knee players in the quads that were running by them which seems highly unlikely. Like I said sometimes mistakes happen and although it was a silly mistake, and something you or I would not have done, look at it from different perspectives.
 
The mistake here was sticking his knee out to trip him. You also don't fire someone anytime a mistake is made. You treat every situation on an individual case. I don't see enough of a case to fire someone from this case alone.
What if the player had broken his ankle or torn a knee ligament? And why call it a mistake when it was a deliberate act?
The player did not break his ankle or tear a ligament. You can't punish for what if's.It is also highly unlikely that it was a deliberate act, unless the coaches were told to knee players in the quads that were running by them which seems highly unlikely. Like I said sometimes mistakes happen and although it was a silly mistake, and something you or I would not have done, look at it from different perspectives.
He deliberatley stuck out his knee to trip the player. He didn't accidently do it.
 
The mistake here was sticking his knee out to trip him. You also don't fire someone anytime a mistake is made. You treat every situation on an individual case. I don't see enough of a case to fire someone from this case alone.
What if the player had broken his ankle or torn a knee ligament? And why call it a mistake when it was a deliberate act?
The player did not break his ankle or tear a ligament. You can't punish for what if's.It is also highly unlikely that it was a deliberate act, unless the coaches were told to knee players in the quads that were running by them which seems highly unlikely. Like I said sometimes mistakes happen and although it was a silly mistake, and something you or I would not have done, look at it from different perspectives.
But the player WAS hurt on the play. And the act was intentional by the coach's own admission, so I don't know where you get that the act was probably not deliberate. To sum up, it looks pretty bad when you intentionally interfere with a play going on and injure a player while doing it.
 
Godsbrother said:
Has anyone heard if the league office is just going to go alaong with the Jet's punishment of this doosh? Seems to me at the very least this guy should be banned from ever being on the sideline of an NFL game.
:goodposting: Relax.... He made a mistake. I mean let us not go into the countless players and coaches who make far greater mistakes (in games and real world) than was made be Alosi.He was punished heavily, but not everyone makes smart decisions in spur of the moment instances. He learned his lesson and move along.
I don't care what the Jets do in their training & practice facilities, if they want to reatain him then that is fine. But if I am in the league office he wouldn't be standing on the sidelines anymore. You can't allow bystanders to start making blocks and tackles. That was BS.
 
renesauz said:
Anyone know what the guys salary is? 25K is routine for millionare players, but has to be HUGE for a strength/conditioning coach. Seriously...it seems WAAAAAAY out of line.
Tim Graham- ESPN
Alosi is paid bi-weekly, meaning he could lose two paychecks if the Jets advance one round into the playoffs. Between lost pay and the fine, Alosi stands to lose about $50,000, according to a person familiar with the situation
Fine was $25K, so this guy is making around $300,000? He's hardly a low level staffer.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
renesauz said:
Anyone know what the guys salary is? 25K is routine for millionare players, but has to be HUGE for a strength/conditioning coach. Seriously...it seems WAAAAAAY out of line.
Tim Graham- ESPN
Alosi is paid bi-weekly, meaning he could lose two paychecks if the Jets advance one round into the playoffs. Between lost pay and the fine, Alosi stands to lose about $50,000, according to a person familiar with the situation
Fine was $25K, so this guy is making around $300,000? He's hardly a low level staffer.
By my math he would make about $100,000.
 
According to a tweet from Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, Alosi makes $200,000 a year. That means that the fine is about 12 percent of his salary. When you combine that with the last three games of the season ($12,500 per game), you get a total financial hit of $62,500. That comes out to about 31 percent of Alosi's 2010 salary, not taking into account the playoff bonuses he won't be getting from the team this season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/543170-...-for-jets-coach

 
I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top