Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player (1 Viewer)

[Eric Stratton]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

 

[RUSF18]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Good for you my man.

 

[RUSF18]

Next time a DT gets held with no call, he should just knee the OL in the balls.

 

[renesauz]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

 

[jackdubl]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Is that illegal? I thought if the player was forced out he could come back in. Doesn't this happen on, like, every punt?

 

[Eric Stratton]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

I didn't see if he was pushed out by the Jets prior to that. However, the fact you think the should have been tripped and have no problems with that is whacked.

 

[renesauz]

Next time a DT gets held with no call, he should just knee the OL in the balls.

Look...my point wasn't that the coach should have tripped him...clearly that was low-class and wrong. But the idea that players or coaches on the sidline have to move out of an opposing players way and let them illegally proceed downfield out of bounds is incorrect. Let them make the wall.My other point was that said Dolphin was already ineligable, so the idea that the coach affected play is FALSE.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

The mistake here was sticking his knee out to trip him. You also don't fire someone anytime a mistake is made. You treat every situation on an individual case. I don't see enough of a case to fire someone from this case alone.

What if the player had broken his ankle or torn a knee ligament? And why call it a mistake when it was a deliberate act?

A mistake is standing too close to the sidelines and not paying attention and failing to jump out of the way when a player is trying to run past. This was no "mistake".

 

[renesauz]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Is that illegal? I thought if the player was forced out he could come back in. Doesn't this happen on, like, every punt?

Yep...but said Dolphin made no attempt to re-establish on the field...he ran a good 15 or 20 yards downfield out of bounds.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

And you're demonstrating complete naivety as to how the game is played. No gunner pushed out of bounds cuts directly back to the field, and teh officials don't enforce it in that way. They need to make a reasonable effort to come back onto the field quickly, but it's also understood that they need as a practical matter to maintain downfield momentum, so they let them do it like the player was doing there. Regardless, you're not advocating that a Jets' coach's knee is an adequate replacement for an official's penalty flag, are you?

 

[Eric Stratton]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Is that illegal? I thought if the player was forced out he could come back in. Doesn't this happen on, like, every punt?

Yep...but said Dolphin made no attempt to re-establish on the field...he ran a good 15 or 20 yards downfield out of bounds.

I suggest you watch the video. He was forced out at the 25 and the trip took place at the 32.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-294916

 

[renesauz]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

And you're demonstrating complete naivety as to how the game is played. No gunner pushed out of bounds cuts directly back to the field, and teh officials don't enforce it in that way. They need to make a reasonable effort to come back onto the field quickly, but it's also understood that they need as a practical matter to maintain downfield momentum, so they let them do it like the player was doing there. Regardless, you're not advocating that a Jets' coach's knee is an adequate replacement for an official's penalty flag, are you?

No...I'm not. I'm pointing out that the coach didn't enter the field of play, and that the player he tripped should have been technically ineligible to participate in that play anyway, making this punishment ludicrous. I'm not naive...I've seen the replay. He was making ZERO attempt to re-establish himself.HE SHOULD BE FINED, AND HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED. Fining an assistant comparable numbers to players makes no sense, and the suspension is huge overkill.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

And you're demonstrating complete naivety as to how the game is played. No gunner pushed out of bounds cuts directly back to the field, and teh officials don't enforce it in that way. They need to make a reasonable effort to come back onto the field quickly, but it's also understood that they need as a practical matter to maintain downfield momentum, so they let them do it like the player was doing there. Regardless, you're not advocating that a Jets' coach's knee is an adequate replacement for an official's penalty flag, are you?

No...I'm not.

Here is your quote..."If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped."

 

[jackdubl]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Is that illegal? I thought if the player was forced out he could come back in. Doesn't this happen on, like, every punt?

Yep...but said Dolphin made no attempt to re-establish on the field...he ran a good 15 or 20 yards downfield out of bounds.

I just watched the replay and you are talking out of your ###. Check a replay before you go spouting off nonsense. The Miami player is pushed out, just like on every punt. He then IMMEDIATELY tries to reestablish himself, and the coach knees him as he's going back onto the field of play. He takes maybe three steps total while out of bounds.So now we've established that the Miami player was 100% legally playing as the game was intended, making all of your rants seem like the words of an ignoramus.

 

[RUSF18]

The more I watch it the more I'm convinced that Rex Ryan has (for now) dodged a huge bullet. When do you ever see coaches not following the ball but instead keeping their eyes trained on a gunner (even after he falls which of course you would have no reason to expect)?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The more I watch it the more I'm convinced that Rex Ryan has (for now) dodged a huge bullet. When do you ever see coaches not following the ball but instead keeping their eyes trained on a gunner (even after he falls which of course you would have no reason to expect)?

If Rex Ryan did strategically put the coaches there I see nothing wrong with that. If they were told to knee the gunner in the quad then that is completely wrong although never going to be proven.Like I said earlier, teams are always trying to come up with "things" to give them an advantage over their opponents and sometimes cross the line and are fined for illegal things like spy gate. What the Jets were doing was completely within the rules of the game had the coach not stuck his knee out.

 

[jdubs952]

The more I watch it the more I'm convinced that Rex Ryan has (for now) dodged a huge bullet. When do you ever see coaches not following the ball but instead keeping their eyes trained on a gunner (even after he falls which of course you would have no reason to expect)?

This was def. orchestrated by Rex. He told them to line up there and not let the gunner have his way up the sidelines out of bounds. Apparently, he was complaining about that earlier in the game. Also, it should be noted that only coaches or situation substitute players are allowed to stand where they were standing. I don't think a bunch of guys in sweats are situation substitutes.They let Sal take the fall so not to have further investigation which would lead them to Rex instructing them to stand there and get in the gunner's way. No one stands in front of a head coach on a sidelines. Plus like it was mentioned, ryan was focusing on the gunner and his new 'sideline wall' strategy.

 

[greedygoat]

According to a tweet from Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, Alosi makes $200,000 a year. That means that the fine is about 12 percent of his salary. When you combine that with the last three games of the season ($12,500 per game), you get a total financial hit of $62,500. That comes out to about 31 percent of Alosi's 2010 salary, not taking into account the playoff bonuses he won't be getting from the team this season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/543170-...-for-jets-coach

What bonuses? This thug team ain't going anywhere.Jets apologists need to take a step back, look at the facts and get a clue.

 

[pantagrapher]

I still don't get it. WHAT THE DOLPHINS PLAYER WAS DOING WAS ILLEGAL.

You are NOT allowed to run down the sidelines out of bounds. This coach was NOT effecting play on the field, because that player was already ineligible to participate in the on field play! If the ref isn't going to flag this blatantly illegal act...he SHOULD be tripped. He wasn't inches out either, but a full yard. The coach didn't stick his whole leg out into the field of play, he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

Fine...maybe.

Suspension...I can see it but disagree.

Rest of the season and a fine equating to 25% of his salary...that's beyond ludicrous.

Just amazed at some of the things in this thread and I don't believe it is illegal to run down the sidelines.

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

And you're demonstrating complete naivety as to how the game is played. No gunner pushed out of bounds cuts directly back to the field, and teh officials don't enforce it in that way. They need to make a reasonable effort to come back onto the field quickly, but it's also understood that they need as a practical matter to maintain downfield momentum, so they let them do it like the player was doing there. Regardless, you're not advocating that a Jets' coach's knee is an adequate replacement for an official's penalty flag, are you?

No...I'm not. I'm pointing out that the coach didn't enter the field of play, and that the player he tripped should have been technically ineligible to participate in that play anyway, making this punishment ludicrous. I'm not naive...I've seen the replay. He was making ZERO attempt to re-establish himself.

There's no such thing as being "technically ineligible to participate in the play." Had he not made a reasonable effort to get back on the field after being pushed out of bounds—which he did, but not at the 90-degree angle you seem to require—he's still allowed to keep playing and the officials can flag him. Players don't have to stop in mid-play if they feel they might have committed a penalty. What nonsense.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The more I watch it the more I'm convinced that Rex Ryan has (for now) dodged a huge bullet. When do you ever see coaches not following the ball but instead keeping their eyes trained on a gunner (even after he falls which of course you would have no reason to expect)?

This was def. orchestrated by Rex. He told them to line up there and not let the gunner have his way up the sidelines out of bounds. Apparently, he was complaining about that earlier in the game. Also, it should be noted that only coaches or situation substitute players are allowed to stand where they were standing. I don't think a bunch of guys in sweats are situation substitutes.They let Sal take the fall so not to have further investigation which would lead them to Rex instructing them to stand there and get in the gunner's way. No one stands in front of a head coach on a sidelines. Plus like it was mentioned, ryan was focusing on the gunner and his new 'sideline wall' strategy.

I think a team putting players and coaches there is the game within the game and totally legal. Sal should never have kneed the player, and he was rightfully punished for that act.

 

[jdubs952]

The more I watch it the more I'm convinced that Rex Ryan has (for now) dodged a huge bullet. When do you ever see coaches not following the ball but instead keeping their eyes trained on a gunner (even after he falls which of course you would have no reason to expect)?

This was def. orchestrated by Rex. He told them to line up there and not let the gunner have his way up the sidelines out of bounds. Apparently, he was complaining about that earlier in the game. Also, it should be noted that only coaches or situation substitute players are allowed to stand where they were standing. I don't think a bunch of guys in sweats are situation substitutes.They let Sal take the fall so not to have further investigation which would lead them to Rex instructing them to stand there and get in the gunner's way. No one stands in front of a head coach on a sidelines. Plus like it was mentioned, ryan was focusing on the gunner and his new 'sideline wall' strategy.

I think a team putting players and coaches there is the game within the game and totally legal. Sal should never have kneed the player, and he was rightfully punished for that act.

Except they were not allowed to stand there. Coaches and players subbing in only.

 

[Topes]

Link

This screen shot shows rex ryan looking directly at the play.

Could you please compress that a little more? I can still almost make out the outlines of shapes. Maybe taking a screen cap from a cell phone would help.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The more I watch it the more I'm convinced that Rex Ryan has (for now) dodged a huge bullet. When do you ever see coaches not following the ball but instead keeping their eyes trained on a gunner (even after he falls which of course you would have no reason to expect)?

This was def. orchestrated by Rex. He told them to line up there and not let the gunner have his way up the sidelines out of bounds. Apparently, he was complaining about that earlier in the game. Also, it should be noted that only coaches or situation substitute players are allowed to stand where they were standing. I don't think a bunch of guys in sweats are situation substitutes.They let Sal take the fall so not to have further investigation which would lead them to Rex instructing them to stand there and get in the gunner's way. No one stands in front of a head coach on a sidelines. Plus like it was mentioned, ryan was focusing on the gunner and his new 'sideline wall' strategy.

I think a team putting players and coaches there is the game within the game and totally legal. Sal should never have kneed the player, and he was rightfully punished for that act.

Except they were not allowed to stand there. Coaches and players subbing in only.

Yes I got that, but the fact that people are allowed to be standing there is totally legal is more the point I was making.

 

[fatness]

he flexed his knee less than six inches into the yard wide white stripe area.

He deliberately tried to trip the player. If a fan did that he'd be prosecuted.

 

[fatness]

And why call it a mistake when it was a deliberate act?

Calling it a mistake is not the same as saying it was accidental.His mistake was deciding to perform the deliberate act.

mis·take an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.

OK, by your definition keeping one trout more than the limit a mistake and shooting someone a mistake. "Mistake" isn't very descriptive since it doesn't have anything to do with the severity (or lack of it) of what was done. And in this case people are using it to minimize what the guy did.

 

[fatness]

Learn the rules. It is illegal to progress down the field out of bounds. More, if any playr intentionally takes himself out of bounds, he is ineligible to particpate in the rest of that play....he can't make a tackle, a block or any other move affecting play. If a player is blocked out of bounds, he must make an immediate attempt to re-establish himself in bounds.

And the established penalty for this is?

 

[Rovers]

Here is an angle no one has really talked about: Nolan was forced out around the 25, but he wasn't pushed anywhere near as far out of bounds as he ended up, not even close. He wasn't even on the white apron until he got to the spot where the tripping was at the 37. He was at least a yard off even the white apron. Looks to me like the only reason he started to angle back towards the field was because of the Jets' personell on the sideline. Carroll was cleary not attempting to get back on the field.

Maybe Miami was doing this intentionally? If they were, and the Jets had already complained about it, why not put people at the end of the coach's box to force him back towards the field? Along those same lines, and I know posters will scream about this... I think it's obvious Carroll took a dive. There was barely any contact. Alosi didn't move an inch when contact was made. Then Carroll writhed around in excrutiating pain for what, like 2 minutes? Then he walks off the field without even so much as a limp? He misses 3 minutes of the third quarter and is just fine in the 4th quarter?

Bottom line, I think that yes, Miami was intentionally sending their gunners out of bounds, and the Jets did what they could do to force him back onto the field. Alosi had an incredible attack of ther stupids, stuck his knee out and Carroll took a dive. He was ready to take a dive.

Both teams were looking to gain any advantage they could get. There was a game within a game going on here. If indeed the Jets had already complained about gunners running downfield even OFF the white apron, the refs should have done something about it.

I am interested now to see if the rule, which IS to return to the field of play is going to be enforced now. That will tell us more about what the NFL thinks of all this.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He was ready to take a dive? Really? Because he just knew that one of the Jets' coaches would stick his knee out to trip him, even though that NEVER happens? Um, okay.

 

[Man In The Box]

At those trying to justify the trip. You guys should just quit while you're way behind and be thankful that your steroid dealer still has a job.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Here is an angle no one has really talked about: Nolan was forced out around the 25, but he wasn't pushed anywhere near as far out of bounds as he ended up, not even close. He wasn't even on the white apron until he got to the spot where the tripping was at the 37. He was at least a yard off even the white apron. Looks to me like the only reason he started to angle back towards the field was because of the Jets' personell on the sideline. Carroll was cleary not attempting to get back on the field. Maybe Miami was doing this intentionally? If they were, and the Jets had already complained about it, why not put people at the end of the coach's box to force him back towards the field? Along those same lines, and I know posters will scream about this... I think it's obvious Carroll took a dive. There was barely any contact. Alosi didn't move an inch when contact was made. Then Carroll writhed around in excrutiating pain for what, like 2 minutes? Then he walks off the field without even so much as a limp? He misses 3 minutes of the third quarter and is just fine in the 4th quarter? Bottom line, I think that yes, Miami was intentionally sending their gunners out of bounds, and the Jets did what they could do to force him back onto the field. Alosi had an incredible attack of ther stupids, stuck his knee out and Carroll took a dive. He was ready to take a dive. Both teams were looking to gain any advantage they could get. There was a game within a game going on here. If indeed the Jets had already complained about gunners running downfield even OFF the white apron, the refs should have done something about it. I am interested now to see if the rule, which IS to return to the field of play is going to be enforced now. That will tell us more about what the NFL thinks of all this.

After reading this, I started to wonder if it's possible to be both stupid and crazy at the same time. The answer is yes.

 

[Rovers]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip?

No, no and no.

The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty.

Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far.

Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances?

Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

 

[jackdubl]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip? No, no and no. The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty. Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far. Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances? Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

When I watch the replay I can't see what the Miami gunner did that is any different from what gunners do on every punt play in every game. I've watched it pretty closely.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip? No, no and no. The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty. Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far. Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances? Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

When I watch the replay I can't see what the Miami gunner did that is any different from what gunners do on every punt play in every game. I've watched it pretty closely.

 

[shaunmzs]

Wow! This is hilarious! Doen't anyone else in here think the NFL comes out of this looking like a joke! You suspend a coach for 3 games and fine him 25% of his salary, but two weeks earlier two players can tear eachothers helmets off and start throwing blows to eachothers heads and get a fine for what 2% of their salary and no suspension whatsoever. What a joke!

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Wow! This is hilarious! Doen't anyone else in here think the NFL comes out of this looking like a joke! You suspend a coach for 3 games and fine him 25% of his salary, but two weeks earlier two players can tear eachothers helmets off and start throwing blows to eachothers heads and get a fine for what 2% of their salary and no suspension whatsoever. What a joke!

The key differences are that:1) AJ and Finnegan are players who belong on the field and in the action; and2) Finnegan is a turd.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Here is an angle no one has really talked about: Nolan was forced out around the 25, but he wasn't pushed anywhere near as far out of bounds as he ended up, not even close. He wasn't even on the white apron until he got to the spot where the tripping was at the 37. He was at least a yard off even the white apron. Looks to me like the only reason he started to angle back towards the field was because of the Jets' personell on the sideline. Carroll was cleary not attempting to get back on the field. Maybe Miami was doing this intentionally? If they were, and the Jets had already complained about it, why not put people at the end of the coach's box to force him back towards the field? Along those same lines, and I know posters will scream about this... I think it's obvious Carroll took a dive. There was barely any contact. Alosi didn't move an inch when contact was made. Then Carroll writhed around in excrutiating pain for what, like 2 minutes? Then he walks off the field without even so much as a limp? He misses 3 minutes of the third quarter and is just fine in the 4th quarter? Bottom line, I think that yes, Miami was intentionally sending their gunners out of bounds, and the Jets did what they could do to force him back onto the field. Alosi had an incredible attack of ther stupids, stuck his knee out and Carroll took a dive. He was ready to take a dive. Both teams were looking to gain any advantage they could get. There was a game within a game going on here. If indeed the Jets had already complained about gunners running downfield even OFF the white apron, the refs should have done something about it. I am interested now to see if the rule, which IS to return to the field of play is going to be enforced now. That will tell us more about what the NFL thinks of all this.

What was the tooth fairy doing during all of this? Is it possible Carroll didn't take a dive, but that when he didn't go down right away, Ms. Tooth Fairy threw him to the ground to make it look like he was trying to draw an unnecesary penalty? Did anybody count his teeth afterwords?Did you look at that angle yet?

 

[road warrior]

Wow! This is hilarious! Doen't anyone else in here think the NFL comes out of this looking like a joke! You suspend a coach for 3 games and fine him 25% of his salary, but two weeks earlier two players can tear eachothers helmets off and start throwing blows to eachothers heads and get a fine for what 2% of their salary and no suspension whatsoever. What a joke!

The key differences are that:1) AJ and Finnegan are players who belong on the field and in the action; and2) Finnegan is a turd.

Here's another difference.... The Jets organization suspended and fined the coach... it was up to the NFL to discipline AJ/Finnegan. Apples and Oranges here.

 

[thayman]

Here is an angle no one has really talked about: Nolan was forced out around the 25, but he wasn't pushed anywhere near as far out of bounds as he ended up, not even close. He wasn't even on the white apron until he got to the spot where the tripping was at the 37. He was at least a yard off even the white apron. Looks to me like the only reason he started to angle back towards the field was because of the Jets' personell on the sideline. Carroll was cleary not attempting to get back on the field. Maybe Miami was doing this intentionally? If they were, and the Jets had already complained about it, why not put people at the end of the coach's box to force him back towards the field? Along those same lines, and I know posters will scream about this... I think it's obvious Carroll took a dive. There was barely any contact. Alosi didn't move an inch when contact was made. Then Carroll writhed around in excrutiating pain for what, like 2 minutes? Then he walks off the field without even so much as a limp? He misses 3 minutes of the third quarter and is just fine in the 4th quarter? Bottom line, I think that yes, Miami was intentionally sending their gunners out of bounds, and the Jets did what they could do to force him back onto the field. Alosi had an incredible attack of ther stupids, stuck his knee out and Carroll took a dive. He was ready to take a dive. Both teams were looking to gain any advantage they could get. There was a game within a game going on here. If indeed the Jets had already complained about gunners running downfield even OFF the white apron, the refs should have done something about it. I am interested now to see if the rule, which IS to return to the field of play is going to be enforced now. That will tell us more about what the NFL thinks of all this.

You are either a blind homer or fishing. Look at the replay there is nothing uncommon about what Carroll did that gunners don't do on every team in the NFL, including the Jets.

 

[Rovers]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip? No, no and no. The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty. Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far. Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances? Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

When I watch the replay I can't see what the Miami gunner did that is any different from what gunners do on every punt play in every game. I've watched it pretty closely.

I've seen gunners remain in the white apron often as well, happens all the time. If you watch the replay, you'll see Carroll's foot well outside the white apron just as they cut to that sideline view. He was about a yard off the white apron from the 25-26 to just before the trip, around the 34 or so. I think it's safe to say he wasn't pushed that far out of bounds. So, yes, I think Miami was pushing the rule about returning to the field more so than most teams, and Carroll went further out than any gunners I've seen but that doesn't mean he should have been tripped either. Nothing at all can justify what Alosi did. I have to laugh when some get so fired up and indignant when I questioned if Carroll took a dive... like no player in the NFL ever takes a dive? I've seen that happen plenty of times too.

 

[thayman]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip?

No, no and no.

The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty.

Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far.

Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances?

Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

When I watch the replay I can't see what the Miami gunner did that is any different from what gunners do on every punt play in every game. I've watched it pretty closely.

I've seen gunners remain in the white apron often as well, happens all the time. If you watch the replay, you'll see Carroll's foot well outside the white apron just as they cut to that sideline view. He was about a yard off the white apron from the 25-26 to just before the trip, around the 34 or so. I think it's safe to say he wasn't pushed that far out of bounds. So, yes, I think Miami was pushing the rule about returning to the field more so than most teams, and Carroll went further out than any gunners I've seen but that doesn't mean he should have been tripped either. Nothing at all can justify what Alosi did.

I have to laugh when some get so fired up and indignant when I questioned if Carroll took a dive... like no player in the NFL ever takes a dive? I've seen that happen plenty of times too.

Kind of like how some Jets fans get so fired up and indignant when someone questions whether Ryan told his coaches to stand there to trip the gunner?

 

[jackdubl]

Here's the only link I can find where you can see the player from start to after he is tripped:

Again, to all the people questioning the Miami player being out of bounds, how is this different than every other punt in the NFL? Here's just a couple of links I found on one search. The camera never follows the gunner, but you can see that on these plays he runs from out of bounds, just can't see how far out. If the Miami player hadn't have been tripped, no one would be questioning him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH0bh75JMxY

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...29538980364698#

 

[thehornet]

who cares. it was a scummy thing to do, he apologized and has been suspended. the rest doesnt matter.

 

[Rovers]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip?

No, no and no.

The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty.

Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far.

Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances?

Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

When I watch the replay I can't see what the Miami gunner did that is any different from what gunners do on every punt play in every game. I've watched it pretty closely.

I've seen gunners remain in the white apron often as well, happens all the time. If you watch the replay, you'll see Carroll's foot well outside the white apron just as they cut to that sideline view. He was about a yard off the white apron from the 25-26 to just before the trip, around the 34 or so. I think it's safe to say he wasn't pushed that far out of bounds. So, yes, I think Miami was pushing the rule about returning to the field more so than most teams, and Carroll went further out than any gunners I've seen but that doesn't mean he should have been tripped either. Nothing at all can justify what Alosi did.

I have to laugh when some get so fired up and indignant when I questioned if Carroll took a dive... like no player in the NFL ever takes a dive? I've seen that happen plenty of times too.

Kind of like how some Jets fans get so fired up and indignant when someone questions whether Ryan told his coaches to stand there to trip the gunner?

LOL... you are now saying hat Ryan told Alosi to trip him? Hearing about how Ryan alledgedly had previously complained to the refs about how far out of bounds and how long the Miami gunners remained out of bounds, no, I don't doubt for a second that Ryan told them to line up at the end of the coach's box to take away the sideline beyond the white apron. Indignant? Heck, it's what I would have done too. But to accuse Ryan of giving orders to trip a player? now who is stupid and crazy?

 

[thayman]

Stupid and crazy? justifying the trip?

No, no and no.

The trip was incredibly stupid, beyong unsportmanlike and downright dirty.

Now, if as has been suggested, that the Jets had already complained about the Miami gunners running downfield out of bounds... and no one questions that the Jets lined those guys up at the end of the coach's box on purpose, is it really crazy to think Miami might have been looking for, even trying to set up for an interference call? Did anyone notice just how far out of bounds Carroll was? He was far off even the white apron, and he was not forced out that far.

Think it's crazy to wonder if Carroll took a dive under those circumstances?

Thanks for being excellent. It always makes my day when it goes from discussion to personal insults.

When I watch the replay I can't see what the Miami gunner did that is any different from what gunners do on every punt play in every game. I've watched it pretty closely.

I've seen gunners remain in the white apron often as well, happens all the time. If you watch the replay, you'll see Carroll's foot well outside the white apron just as they cut to that sideline view. He was about a yard off the white apron from the 25-26 to just before the trip, around the 34 or so. I think it's safe to say he wasn't pushed that far out of bounds. So, yes, I think Miami was pushing the rule about returning to the field more so than most teams, and Carroll went further out than any gunners I've seen but that doesn't mean he should have been tripped either. Nothing at all can justify what Alosi did.

I have to laugh when some get so fired up and indignant when I questioned if Carroll took a dive... like no player in the NFL ever takes a dive? I've seen that happen plenty of times too.

Kind of like how some Jets fans get so fired up and indignant when someone questions whether Ryan told his coaches to stand there to trip the gunner?

LOL... you are now saying hat Ryan told Alosi to trip him? Hearing about how Ryan alledgedly had previously complained to the refs about how far out of bounds and how long the Miami gunners remained out of bounds, no, I don't doubt for a second that Ryan told them to line up at the end of the coach's box to take away the sideline beyond the white apron. Indignant? Heck, it's what I would have done too. But to accuse Ryan of giving orders to trip a player? now who is stupid and crazy?

No I'm saying it's just as stupid to say that Ryan ordered the coach to trip Carroll as it is to say Carroll took and intentional dive.

 

[Rovers]

Players take dives often... coaches have ordered sideline personell to trip players how many times? Never. You think it is equally likely that Ryan ordered a coach to trip a player as it is for a player to take a dive? Seriously? Players take dives to draw flags every week of the NFL season.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

now who is stupid and crazy?

Nothing has changed lately.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Players take dives often... coaches have ordered sideline personell to trip players how many times? Never. You think it is equally likely that Ryan ordered a coach to trip a player as it is for a player to take a dive? Seriously? Players take dives to draw flags every week of the NFL season.

If logic were dating you'd be the crazy chick with cats.

 

[pantagrapher]

Players take dives often... coaches have ordered sideline personell to trip players how many times? Never. You think it is equally likely that Ryan ordered a coach to trip a player as it is for a player to take a dive? Seriously? Players take dives to draw flags every week of the NFL season.

Yeah, the gunner took a dive on a last-instant knee check he didn't see coming because of the miniscule possibility that he could draw a flag rather than run down the field to try to make a tackle.

 

[Rovers]

So, there is not a snowball's chance in Hades that Carroll may have taken a dive? He was blinded by pain for two minutes, writhing on the ground, walked off without even a limp, played the enitre fourth quarter after missing the last 3 minutes of the third, and it's preposterous to wonder if he took a dive. Um... OK, carry on. I guess I'm crazy for even thinking there might have been a chance he took a dive.

On a somewhat related topic, I am impressed with Rothlisberger's quickness when he got slapped in the facemask a couple weeks ago. He dropped like a rock. The man must be super human to be able to dive so quickly with little to no warning.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

So, there is not a snowball's chance in Hades that Carroll may have taken a dive? He was blinded by pain for two minutes, writhing on the ground, walked off without even a limp, played the enitre fourth quarter after missing the last 3 minutes of the third, and it's preposterous to wonder if he took a dive. Um... OK, carry on. I guess I'm crazy for even thinking there might have been a chance he took a dive. On a somewhat related topic, I am impressed with Rothlisberger's quickness when he got slapped in the facemask a couple weeks ago. He dropped like a rock. The man must be super human to be able to dive so quickly with little to no warning.

Roethlisberger's dating life has prepared him for getting slapped.