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Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Bad unsportsmanlike move and the coach deserves whatever happens to him, but still...will never be as famous as this one:
Dickie Maegle Tackle
Dickie Maegle Tackle
I strongly doubt the league has any authority to fine a strength and conditioning coach. The NFL's recourse would be to fine (or otherwise punish) the Jets.
How about fined severely then fired immediately?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Local t.v. saying the Jets and the NFL will decide the punishment jointly.
The guy would lawyer up, sue for wrongful termination, and probably win (depending on the specifics of his employment status/contract of course).The attorney would argue the disciplinary action was the fine. The team would then have to have some other reason for firing him, besides the incident that they've already disciplined him for with a fine.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
The NFL should look at every punt play the Jets have been involved in this year to see if there were any other near "accidents" like this. It's easy to throw him under the bus (and if it's the only time it's happened he totally deserves to be) but sometimes this sort of thing is part of the culture of a team. Not saying it is, but I'm sure the league might want to head back to the tape room and see.
-QG
-QG
mambomambo
Footballguy
This guys is not a 23 yr old right out of college NFL KID. He is a COACH. If he worked for me, you better believe he would've been fired on the spot. Woody Johnson should be EMBARRASSED about having such a Scumbag in his payroll.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that, by rule, the Miami player should not have been running along the sideline, out of bounds.
The gunner is required to reestablish inbounds immediately after being shoved out. Running downfield outside the boundary is a 15 yard penalty.
The gunner is required to reestablish inbounds immediately after being shoved out. Running downfield outside the boundary is a 15 yard penalty.
It was a game not an office. Skipping the long reply how can I stay general....ok got an idea:57% of Americans admit to having sex with someone they work with.17% admit to having sex at a factory12% admit to having sex in an officeMost of that is stupid more often than not.(Bosses) How many sexual harassment claims are made every year?How many injuries happen in the workplace according to OSHA? I'm sure a very large percent are due to not using the best judgement.Car accidents don't seem to be when a person is using their best judgementUmmm...there's gotta be a million here.
Totally irrelevant, which is why it was not mentioned.
It's not relevant that the player should not have been in the position he was in at the time of the incident?
Running parallel to the boundary, out of bounds, while covering a punt is against the rules. Is that not what was happening here?None of which is meant to excuse the Jets guy for what happened. But it absolutely is relevant.
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two_dollars
Footballguy
People forgave Vick.. just sayin'
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Didn't realize that in addition to 15 yards the penalty was that an assistant coach got to take a cheap shot as well. The thread title is "Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player."-QGIt's not relevant that the player should not have been in the position he was in at the time of the incident?
At least NE is smart enough to not do something that is caught on tape.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
They should punish him severely by making him coach for the Panthers the rest of the season.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
can always count on the jets for something like this, just like you can always count on their fans to cry about other teams.
always classy, jets.
looks like this habitual year end trainwreck is well deserved.
I don't see anyone defending what the coach did.Didn't realize that in addition to 15 yards the penalty was that an assistant coach got to take a cheap shot as well. The thread title is "Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player."-QGIt's not relevant that the player should not have been in the position he was in at the time of the incident?
Dizzy
Footballguy
ONLY because of his talents on the field.Mike Vick "the long snapper" and dog killer would be bagging groceries now.I doubt this knucklehead is a world class strength and conditioning coach.
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
sheerterror
Footballguy
He actually is. There's a reason he's survived 3 head coaches. The guy is very good at what he does. I'll leave it at that.
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mambomambo
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
No but they are bringing up stuff that's irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is the cheap shot.-QGI don't see anyone defending what the coach did.Didn't realize that in addition to 15 yards the penalty was that an assistant coach got to take a cheap shot as well. The thread title is "Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player."-QGIt's not relevant that the player should not have been in the position he was in at the time of the incident?
goldenchild
Footballguy
I'm sure some of these characters are just fishing, but for those that really didn't see it as being intentional need to get their eyes checked. Unless the coach was doing some calisthenics, it was clear as day intentional (he leaned toward the player).
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
if a cheerleader did what he did, she would be fired immediately. personally, i think this is worse
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
I got no dog in this fight.
1) the Jets guy tried to be subtle and stuck his knee out. It's not really arguable. Ask yourself one question - why didn't he move out of the way when he saw that the Dolphins player was coming, which is what you'd expect him to do?
2) the Dolphins player was out of bounds because, as a double-teamed gunner on a punt coverage team, that's what happens. It happens all the time. In fact, the gunners are outside contain, so they can't cut inside with only rare exceptions. The only rules in effect are that the defensive/return guys double-teaming the gunner can't hit him when he's already out of bounds, and the gunner's got to try to get in bounds as soon as reasonably possible.
3) I agree that the Dolphins player seemed to overreact. If it's an unintentional incident, that's one thing. An intentional act by a non-player? Dive away. I hope the assistant coach is never on an NFL sideline again.
1) the Jets guy tried to be subtle and stuck his knee out. It's not really arguable. Ask yourself one question - why didn't he move out of the way when he saw that the Dolphins player was coming, which is what you'd expect him to do?
2) the Dolphins player was out of bounds because, as a double-teamed gunner on a punt coverage team, that's what happens. It happens all the time. In fact, the gunners are outside contain, so they can't cut inside with only rare exceptions. The only rules in effect are that the defensive/return guys double-teaming the gunner can't hit him when he's already out of bounds, and the gunner's got to try to get in bounds as soon as reasonably possible.
3) I agree that the Dolphins player seemed to overreact. If it's an unintentional incident, that's one thing. An intentional act by a non-player? Dive away. I hope the assistant coach is never on an NFL sideline again.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
now explain the public apology.maybe he's bracing himself for the unemployment line.
Out of all the knee jerk over reactions by the NFL this season in giving out punishment to players for a coach to get involved physically in the game i do think the guy should be fired.
He should have offered his resignation right after he apologized to the owner. Would have looked better in my eyes if in the future he applied for a coaching job i was hiring for.
He should have offered his resignation right after he apologized to the owner. Would have looked better in my eyes if in the future he applied for a coaching job i was hiring for.
Yes, after he spent two years in prison for what he did. If this guy isn't punished and only receives a slap on the wrist it'll be a joke.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Sportsmanship is also a different issue than off-field morals. Nobody likes cheaters. Maybe he's a decent guy and a great dad, etc. off the field, but what he did was ridiculous.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
This kind of reminded me of the time time Bill Cowher lunged at Jaguars DB Chris Hudson on a blocked field goal return in '97.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
drunk ?It happens all the time and he wasn't that far out of bounds.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
My *opinion* is that the guy would LOVE to have not moved and had the Dolphins player trip over him because he didn't move. But that wasn't quite going to happen so he just eased his knee out there and let him trip over it. I think it's one of those in-the-moment things where it wasn't going to happen the way he wanted so he instinctively tried to nudge himself into that position.
My feeling is you suspend the guy the rest of the season. It was deliberate, but not deliberate as in "I want to trip that guy when he comes by me." More like "I'm not moving and it would be great if he got in my way" but when that didn't happen he instinctively nudged his knee out there in a very subtle way. I'm sure I'm not explaining it right, but in my head it's the difference between getting fired and getting suspended the rest of the year. Maybe something like the difference between being a dirty player and making a bad in-the-moment decision. It doesn't excuse it but I don't know that you cut the guy as a result.
I will say that the Dolphins player had to have eagle eyes to see what happened in that instant, recognize it as an intentional act and take a dive like that, all at full speed. I think maybe he was worried about not getting back in the field of play soon enough so he took a dive at potential contact. It would be amazing to me if he understood the ramification of that intentional knee and acted on it in that split second.
I also think this guy has done himself a lot of damage with his own team. NFL players are more loyal to other players than their own team. If you do something that might actually hurt a player and cost them money, they're going to take that very poorly. I wouldn't be surprised if the players on the team want him gone and they ask for his resignation. As actual punishment I think a rest-of-the-season suspension is most appropriate, but if the players on the team can't work with him he might have to go.
My feeling is you suspend the guy the rest of the season. It was deliberate, but not deliberate as in "I want to trip that guy when he comes by me." More like "I'm not moving and it would be great if he got in my way" but when that didn't happen he instinctively nudged his knee out there in a very subtle way. I'm sure I'm not explaining it right, but in my head it's the difference between getting fired and getting suspended the rest of the year. Maybe something like the difference between being a dirty player and making a bad in-the-moment decision. It doesn't excuse it but I don't know that you cut the guy as a result.
I will say that the Dolphins player had to have eagle eyes to see what happened in that instant, recognize it as an intentional act and take a dive like that, all at full speed. I think maybe he was worried about not getting back in the field of play soon enough so he took a dive at potential contact. It would be amazing to me if he understood the ramification of that intentional knee and acted on it in that split second.
I also think this guy has done himself a lot of damage with his own team. NFL players are more loyal to other players than their own team. If you do something that might actually hurt a player and cost them money, they're going to take that very poorly. I wouldn't be surprised if the players on the team want him gone and they ask for his resignation. As actual punishment I think a rest-of-the-season suspension is most appropriate, but if the players on the team can't work with him he might have to go.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Guy should be fined and fired, Id be ok with putting a year ban from the league on him or something along those lines. Just a ridiculous act and completely inexcusable. Even in pee wee football something like that would be ridiculous, for a professional coach to do it, he deserves whatever he gets
Hooper31
Footballguy
Imagine your biggest f up in life just got caught on tape. Everyone in your industry was shown the tape. The guy's professional life has likely ended. Did he make a big mistake? Of course, but people have done far worse and kept their jobs in the NFL.
Kudos to you anonymous society. You will get your pound of flesh one way or another.
Kudos to you anonymous society. You will get your pound of flesh one way or another.
anakin
Footballguy
Cowher did lunge and he pulled himself back. He never made contact. This coach should be fired and never allowed on an NFL sideline again. I am not saying he should never work in the NFL, but he is not to be trusted on a sideline during an NFL game.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sal Alosi admitted what he did was wrong. Anyone arguing in this thread that he didn't do anything wrong is smply on a Jacques Cousteau exploration of the SP.
He should be fired and the Jets fined a lot of money that will go to charity. This man said he takes full responsibility and accepts his punishment because he knows what he did was just plain wrong. Carroll was also injured on the play, not career threatening but injured just the same.
Anything beyond that is just plain Miami/NY biting back and forth.
Miami is now 1-0 in the new stadium.
He should be fired and the Jets fined a lot of money that will go to charity. This man said he takes full responsibility and accepts his punishment because he knows what he did was just plain wrong. Carroll was also injured on the play, not career threatening but injured just the same.
Anything beyond that is just plain Miami/NY biting back and forth.
Miami is now 1-0 in the new stadium.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Unfortunately I think he should be fired. It shouldn't be mandated from the NFL, but if I was running the Jets organization, I would let him go.
You cannot have staff who's instinct in that situation is to do something illegal and potentially harmful. Not only that, you have to be pretty close to a moron to do something like that knowing that there's a million cameras out there. If you don't know that, then you're not really into what's going on around you, either way he's not someone you need around the sidelines.
If the Jets keep this guy, to me it makes them look bad. This was no accident, this was a clear move to make this guy either fall or jump over him to slow him down, either way the intention was basically cheating in some form.
I don't know, the NFL may fire him anyway. I'm don't think this is the type of incident they want to be associated with. I would think they want a no tolerance rule on something like this.
Personally, I hope he keeps his job, I'd hate to see a guy lose it this time of year......he'll be lucky if he does though.
You cannot have staff who's instinct in that situation is to do something illegal and potentially harmful. Not only that, you have to be pretty close to a moron to do something like that knowing that there's a million cameras out there. If you don't know that, then you're not really into what's going on around you, either way he's not someone you need around the sidelines.
If the Jets keep this guy, to me it makes them look bad. This was no accident, this was a clear move to make this guy either fall or jump over him to slow him down, either way the intention was basically cheating in some form.
I don't know, the NFL may fire him anyway. I'm don't think this is the type of incident they want to be associated with. I would think they want a no tolerance rule on something like this.
Personally, I hope he keeps his job, I'd hate to see a guy lose it this time of year......he'll be lucky if he does though.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
can always count on the jets for something like this, just like you can always count on their fans to cry about other teams.always classy, jets.looks like this habitual year end trainwreck is well deserved.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I've seen James Harrison cheap shot guys ten times worse than this. He isn't a kid either.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.
seriously.That fan stuff is just ridiculously exaggerated. I guess one could say every team has some fans that behave poorly but why would you want to. They're not fun then. This has zero to do with fans too, the guy was a worker. I grew up a Pats fan in NJ and was surrounded by Jets and Giants fans and still know tons and.... that comment is so inaccurate.The very last point only-I do think the Jets have more in common with the RedSox than they want to admit but that's probably another thread another time. Too many Ken OBrien, Pat Ryan type tweets yesterday to think I'm the only one that thinks there's a prob there and it's gotta be all mental. Parcells used to run alot and they really leaned on Curtis and their D. That's real simple and doesn't allow them much time to overthink. They were decent in December under him at one point and made the playoffs. Maybe Ryan needs to run Tomlinson and Greene into the ground. What totally seems like their lack of confidence is very odd and very disturbing for such a good team that performed so very well earlier. Now that I think of it, the Giants recently crumbled and went to the running game to get it back together too also leaning on two backs.I don't know if Sanchez is ready or capable of carrying his team out of this but I do think Tomlinson must have some bitterness from playoff losses and his usual great attitude that he's capable of it. I like Greene and maybe it's just me but the Jets success seems to hinge on Tomlinson.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
He braces himself by sticking his knee out while keeping his hands in his pockets?
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Is this a player or a coach we are talking about? Absolutely mind-boggling you are saying heat of the moment.Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.
He's not even calling plays. You Vick haters amaze me.