Jets Assistant Coach Intentionally Trips Dolphins Player (1 Viewer)

[Sinrman]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.

Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.

Donte Stallworth killed a man, got 30 days, and is back playing. It's not a matter of "forgiving" him. The incident happened less than a day ago, so people will be divided on it for awhile. Once cooler heads have prevailed, he willbe forgiven. Doesn't mean he shouldn't get fined/suspended/fired though. Actions have consequences.

 

[Mello]

I'm usually the contrarian against punishing players and coaches for most things. Here, the guy has to punished though. I don't think the NFL should be able to tell teams they have to fire people, but the NFL should suspend him for the rest of the season and the team should probably fire him.

 

[silentmark]

Watched the replay a number of times and still not sure if any real contact was made. If anything the player should get an Academy Award for taking a dive and faking injury.

I don't know about faking the injury but to me it is unclear exactly what happens...

 

[Bri]

let us know when you deliberately drive up on the sidewalk to run some guy over, then you can commiserate about how we all make mistakes and should be forgiven.

It's that bad to you? Analagous(sp?) to that?We are not the ones in a position to forgive him or not

 

[Sabertooth]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.

Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.

Is this a player or a coach we are talking about? Absolutely mind-boggling you are saying heat of the moment. He's not even calling plays. You Vick haters amaze me.

I didn't bring up Vick. You did.

 

[Sabertooth]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.

Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.

Donte Stallworth killed a man, got 30 days, and is back playing. It's not a matter of "forgiving" him. The incident happened less than a day ago, so people will be divided on it for awhile. Once cooler heads have prevailed, he willbe forgiven. Doesn't mean he shouldn't get fined/suspended/fired though. Actions have consequences.

I don't think the guy should be fired for it. Fined maybe. Better, the Jets should be fined.

 

[Johnny Ice]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.

Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.

Is this a player or a coach we are talking about? Absolutely mind-boggling you are saying heat of the moment. He's not even calling plays. You Vick haters amaze me.

I didn't bring up Vick. You did.

I was responding to another poster comparing the situation, you responded to me. So no, I didn't bring him up.

 

[Sabertooth]

I was responding to another poster comparing the situation, you responded to me. So no, I didn't bring him up.

Got it. I'm not a hater. Vick is a piece of #### though. Make no mistake about that. But what he did is nothing compared to bending one's knee while a player runs past.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm sure Roger will have something to say about it.

I have no doubt his reaction will be to fine James Harrison.

 

[Ned]

Only in the shark pool can you have a 3 page thread debate about this incident full with comparisons to dog and human being killers.

Rock on SP. Rock on.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Watched the replay a number of times and still not sure if any real contact was made. If anything the player should get an Academy Award for taking a dive and faking injury.

I don't know about faking the injury but to me it is unclear exactly what happens...

It looks like contact to me.

 

[Norseman]

What are strength and conditioning coaches doing on the sideline during a game?

What kind of coaching do they do during a game?

 

[=Smackdown=]

The Jets

 

[Man In The Box]

Now imagine the coach is black. And tripped Tom Brady.Seriously though, I'd have to imagine that this guy is infinitely replaceable, and will be fired. Oh, and

The Jets

 

[wadegarrett]

Pathetic.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I hope they fire him. I know it's a man who likely has a family but this is the type of screwup that requires the harshest penalty. He could have potentially ended a career.

 

[Fat Nick]

What are strength and conditioning coaches doing on the sideline during a game? What kind of coaching do they do during a game?

Honestly, this was my first thought too when someone on my morning radio show said that he should be banned from the sidelines...I didn't think that would be any big loss to anyone. That said, I think that even if you say he didn't lean into the trip (which I disagree, I think he definately did), you at least have to say that he was a jerk for not even moving at all when he clearly saw him coming. Classless.

 

[FavreCo]

I hope they fire him. I know it's a man who likely has a family but this is the type of screwup that requires the harshest penalty. He could have potentially ended a career.

He's a stupid person. He doesn't deserve a job, let alone one as candyass as NFL assistant coach.

 

[Reaper]

Bad unsportsmanlike move and the coach deserves whatever happens to him, but still...will never be as famous as this one:

LOL.. After the reactions I've heard, something like THAT is what I expected to see.....

 

[Reaper]

The NFL should look at every punt play the Jets have been involved in this year to see if there were any other near "accidents" like this. It's easy to throw him under the bus (and if it's the only time it's happened he totally deserves to be) but sometimes this sort of thing is part of the culture of a team. Not saying it is, but I'm sure the league might want to head back to the tape room and see. -QG

You're a hoot... a Bitter Bengals fan in NY.

 

[NYRAGE]

As if the game itself wasn't disgraceful enough, this joker needs to go.

 

[Eric Stratton]

This is no different than when a hockey player gets knocked over the boards into an opposing teams bench. The opposing team can punch, trip, block... pretty much whatever they want to.The Dolphins player should have run straight back onto the field instead of trying to take a detour through the Jets bench.

It is much different. Gunners are pushed into the sidelines often and they run near the opposing team. The difference is the opposing team can't punch, trip, block or do whatever they want to.

 

[Man In The Box]

This is no different than when a hockey player gets knocked over the boards into an opposing teams bench. The opposing team can punch, trip, block... pretty much whatever they want to.The Dolphins player should have run straight back onto the field instead of trying to take a detour through the Jets bench.

Yep, same thing. This clown stole this move straight out of Scotty Bowman's repertoire.

 

[wadegarrett]

This is no different than when a hockey player gets knocked over the boards into an opposing teams bench. The opposing team can punch, trip, block... pretty much whatever they want to.The Dolphins player should have run straight back onto the field instead of trying to take a detour through the Jets bench.

Third best trip in this thread.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The NFL should look at every punt play the Jets have been involved in this year to see if there were any other near "accidents" like this. It's easy to throw him under the bus (and if it's the only time it's happened he totally deserves to be) but sometimes this sort of thing is part of the culture of a team. Not saying it is, but I'm sure the league might want to head back to the tape room and see. -QG

You're a hoot... a Bitter Bengals fan in NY.

They should though Not saying they'd find anything. Can't tell me they didn't look at other games for evidence they'd find anything.Speaking of bitter, thanks for reminding me to put some NY sports-talk radio on. -QG

 

[Otis]

Wow, some real rocket scientists cruising tonight.Obviously he TRIPPED the guy... stuck his leg out ON PURPOSE and caught him right on the knee. And it's not uncommon for gunners to get shoved out of bounds legally on punt coverage.I agree with the sane posters... grounds for immediate dismissal.

If you use capital letters then you're probably right. Extra rightness if you use larger font.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Watched the replay a number of times and still not sure if any real contact was made. If anything the player should get an Academy Award for taking a dive and faking injury.

I don't know about faking the injury but to me it is unclear exactly what happens...

It looks like contact to me.

I take back what I said about him faking. A knee to the quad while you have your weight on it will certainly leave a bruise, and could actually have caused a knee injury. I can't pretend to get inside his head and know what the guy was feeling at the time, but I'll give the player the benefit of the doubt there.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Bad unsportsmanlike move and the coach deserves whatever happens to him, but still...will never be as famous as this one:

Not this little irrelevant incident, huh?

 

[JHuber77]

Wow, some real rocket scientists cruising tonight.Obviously he TRIPPED the guy... stuck his leg out ON PURPOSE and caught him right on the knee. And it's not uncommon for gunners to get shoved out of bounds legally on punt coverage.I agree with the sane posters... grounds for immediate dismissal.

If you use capital letters then you're probably right. Extra rightness if you use larger font.

I guess you missed the fact that he apologized for it and stated that he shouldn't have done it. Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

 

[coolnerd]

Only in the shark pool can you have a 3 page thread debate about this incident full with comparisons to dog and human being killers.

Rock on SP. Rock on.

Even the FFA handled it betterhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...75852&st=50

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Remember when bill cowher almost clotheslined a jacksonville player running by for a blocekd FG?

LOL this clown hsould be fired today

 

[silentmark]

Watched the replay a number of times and still not sure if any real contact was made. If anything the player should get an Academy Award for taking a dive and faking injury.

I don't know about faking the injury but to me it is unclear exactly what happens...

It looks like contact to me.

Now looking at that still image, yes, but from that video footage, even with the slow down, it is unclear. I'm just sayin', not that this matter means a friggin' thing anyway, pay a fine, done and done. No way should this guy lose his job when you have killers, rapists & animal murders still playing in the league, sheesh ...

 

[Andrew Garda]

The move was crap. I'm not going to propose punishment because I'm not sure what fair would be though I think a fine and banishment from sidelines is the bottom of it.

The game was bad enough - this isjust unnacceptable.

I like Rex Ryan but between crap like this, the constant sloppy penalties, the sexual harassment thing - this team is unhinged. I like the bravado but if you can't control your players and staff.......

 

[belljr]

The move was crap. I'm not going to propose punishment because I'm not sure what fair would be though I think a fine and banishment from sidelines is the bottom of it.

The game was bad enough - this isjust unnacceptable.

I like Rex Ryan but between crap like this, the constant sloppy penalties, the sexual harassment thing - this team is unhinged. I like the bravado but if you can't control your players and staff.......

 

[HurryUpSundays]

I don't give a rats #### if the Dolphin player was running 15 yards out of bounds, tripping an opponent from the sidelines is a scumbag move. Yea, he apologized, but if it wasn't for cameras, different story. So glad it was caught on tape and CBS showed it, in slow motion, multiple times.

However, that game (and Dan Fout's commentary) was just as bad, if not worse...

 

[nysportsfan]

Wow, some real rocket scientists cruising tonight.Obviously he TRIPPED the guy... stuck his leg out ON PURPOSE and caught him right on the knee. And it's not uncommon for gunners to get shoved out of bounds legally on punt coverage.I agree with the sane posters... grounds for immediate dismissal.

If you use capital letters then you're probably right. Extra rightness if you use larger font.

 

[Andrew Garda]

The move was crap. I'm not going to propose punishment because I'm not sure what fair would be though I think a fine and banishment from sidelines is the bottom of it.

The game was bad enough - this isjust unnacceptable.

I like Rex Ryan but between crap like this, the constant sloppy penalties, the sexual harassment thing - this team is unhinged. I like the bravado but if you can't control your players and staff.......

The sideline reporter during training camp.

 

[belljr]

The move was crap. I'm not going to propose punishment because I'm not sure what fair would be though I think a fine and banishment from sidelines is the bottom of it.

The game was bad enough - this isjust unnacceptable.

I like Rex Ryan but between crap like this, the constant sloppy penalties, the sexual harassment thing - this team is unhinged. I like the bravado but if you can't control your players and staff.......

The sideline reporter during training camp.

Gotcha - totally forgot about that.

 

[wormburner]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Not the officiating crews. Have you seen the late hits/cheap shots Vick is taking? Think Brady or (P) Manning would get those calls?Just sayin'

 

[Mello]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Not the officiating crews. Have you seen the late hits/cheap shots Vick is taking? Think Brady or (P) Manning would get those calls?Just sayin'

That is bias toward Brady/Manning rather than against Vick.

 

[fatness]

I don't think the Jets will want this guy fired, since he furthers the "bad ###" image Rex Ryan wants. The NFL can't fire a Jets employee, and since the NFL is working jointly with the Jets to determine any punishment, I'd imagine a slap on the wrist with lots of public hoo-hah will be the result.

 

[mbuehner]

How do you not fire the guy? That's assault anywhere else but a football field... and he wasnt a participant. Matter of fact, if a fan ran out and tripped a played theyd be in handcuffs for sure. Any one of us would be fired for doing that in the workplace in a heartbeat, and the 'heat of the moment' defense wouldn't fly.

 

[strong]

Only in the shark pool can you have a 3 page thread debate about this incident full with comparisons to dog and human being killers.Rock on SP. Rock on.

Throw in the shark pool classic "now imagine he was black/white" and we're really getting to the bottom of this

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

People forgave Vick.. just sayin'

Yeah they sure did, just look at all the love he gets on this board. It's not like Vick did 2 years in prison and went into financial ruin.

Yeah, he also didn't slip up in the heat of a game either. He systematically killed and tortured animals.

Donte Stallworth killed a man, got 30 days, and is back playing. It's not a matter of "forgiving" him. The incident happened less than a day ago, so people will be divided on it for awhile. Once cooler heads have prevailed, he will

be forgiven. Doesn't mean he shouldn't get fined/suspended/fired though. Actions have consequences.

Huge difference between what Donte Stallworth did and what Vick did.DS killed a pedestrian while driving drunk in Miami - stupid thing to get into a car while drunk, but his intention was not to go out and kill someone that night.

Vick on the other hand tortured animals to death for fun and entertainment and not just for one night for years.

It is the intent that matters not just the actions themselves. The judge in the DS case and the prosecuting attorney clearly saw this.

 

[Mello]

How do you not fire the guy? That's assault anywhere else but a football field... and he wasnt a participant. Matter of fact, if a fan ran out and tripped a played theyd be in handcuffs for sure. Any one of us would be fired for doing that in the workplace in a heartbeat, and the 'heat of the moment' defense wouldn't fly.

Good effort.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Can't even begin to imagine the outrage there'd be on these boards if this was say, the Patriots strength and conditioning coach tripping a Bear.

They should lock that guy alone in a room with Carroll... you know, so they can "work it out".

 

[renesauz]

Running down the sidelines out of bounds is illegal. Even if hit out of bounds, the player is required to make an immediate attempt to get back on the field of play.

Where was the flag?

While tripping him was a bush league move, it was made in the spur of the moment. Stupid, but not something deserving of a 3 page thread.

 

[Man In The Box]

You guys are totally lost with this heat of the moment crap.

This guy isn't on the field playing. He's standing on the sideline with his hands in his pockets playing pocket pool. What "moment" are we talking about here? Every time he's standing idly and someone runs past him? It's understandable to trip someone in the heat of that moment?

Another thing that you guys are whiffing on is that this guy is a coach. Not a player. He's in charge of players' health and strength. This wasn't a mistake or an accident. He deliberately tried to trip the guy and got caught by one of the 800 cameras in the stadium, which is the only reason he even apologized. He will be fired and deservedly so.

 

[RUSF18]

Giving credit to a Jets fan who called up WFAN to note this...but the guy to the right of the S&C coach tried to put his shoulder into the player as he approached, but Alosi got him first. Watching it again, the fact that the Jets had four people right up on that white line, legs braced wide, with Ryan right next to them looks very bad to me.

 

[Adebisi]

Has it been mentioned yet that it really didn't look like the Dolphin was even really hurt? I think he was playing the whole thing up. Shame on him.