Jets QB Situation (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Let's say:

Jets QB Mike White plays excellently Thursday night against IND and leads the team to a win.

Let's also say Zach Wilson is fully ready to return for Week 10.

If you're Robert Saleh, what do you do for Week 10 vs BUF?

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's early, but in the mix of discussion around Jets QBs Mike White and Zach Wilson, I expect the names Josh Rosen and Steve Keim will be involved...

 

[Balco]

If White plays well you have to continue to start White. Wilson would have been best suited to sit and learn for majority of year - this gives him that opportunity.

I’m intrigued by White - he managed the game well and showed confidence. He was Check Down Charlie (he didn’t throw a ball over 12 air yards in the game) which should be a red flag but he was known for his rocket arm. Anyways it was a great first start and have to wonder if Jets might let him air it out a bit more Thursday.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

When I say Mike White’s name I can’t help but say it the way Stewie says Cool Whip. 
 

 

[rockaction]

It's early, but in the mix of discussion around Jets QBs Mike White and Zach Wilson, I expect the names Josh Rosen and Steve Keim will be involved...

They probably won't pick high enough. They're 2-5. 

As for the question, start White. No brainer. Wilson has looked pretty bad. His advanced metrics EPA/CPOE are about the worst in football. 

 

[rockaction]

If White plays well you have to continue to start White. Wilson would have been best suited to sit and learn for majority of year - this gives him that opportunity.

I’m intrigued by White - he managed the game well and showed confidence. He was Check Down Charlie (he didn’t throw a ball over 12 air yards in the game) which should be a red flag but he was known for his rocket arm. Anyways it was a great first start and have to wonder if Jets might let him air it out a bit more Thursday.

This. In watching the game at no time did I feel like we weren't watching a backup quarterback. 

 

[Todem]

Yeah.....they invested in Wilson. They will start Wilson the moment he is healthy enough to play again. 

If White shows he is the next Kurt Warner.....well then they have some questions they need to answer. One game does not make a career.

Nice story though. Kid has been cut 5 times. Always nice to see this.

 

[Balco]

This. In watching the game at no time did I feel like we weren't watching a backup quarterback. 

Yep - I know it’s crazy saying that about a qb who threw for 400 yards and had a 100+ passer rating but he did not throw ball downfield at all.

Per NexGen stats he was 24-28 on passes with 0-9 air yards for 263 yards and 2 tds..

 

[TLEF316]

As one of my Jets brethren mentioned in another thread it seems LIKELY (not certain....but likely) that teams will adjust to White's "style" (which was all short passes) over the next couple of weeks if they stick with him.  While the Jets have some decent young weapons in the short passing game (nice breakout by Carter yesterday) I dont think they're gonna be able to sustain this kind of production without being able to go down field. Teams will adjust after seeing the Bengals carved up yesterday.

As someone who was highly skeptical of the Wilson pick, I did feel a little vindicated by seeing another QB (one with basically zero experience....and missing their #1 receiver) play so well. For all the talk about Wilson's "off platform" ability, I kinda just want my QB to be able to complete simple throws. All we heard about was how Wilson was super accurate on short passes. Well, he's been pretty awful in that phase of the game all season, constantly missing screens and other short throws.

As a Jet fan, I'm hoping to be wrong about Wilson. But I still think you have to go back to him once he's healthy. This is a lost season. This management team spent a very high pick on him and have tied their future to him. I just dont believe they're gonna let him sit on the bench for White, a guy who they've waived multiple times. If they can keep Wilson upright and he's not getting killed every week (which was a concern the first few weeks of the year with how badly the line was playing), I think they need to play him.

If White throws for 350 and beats Indy on Thursday....yeah, it will be tough to sit him down. But I think they still will. I do think that PART of the success yesterday was Lefleur finally figuring out some ways to get Carter and Moore more involved (something that they clearly struggled with for the first few weeks of the season)_

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If they want to look like WFT does with Heinicke, keep starting White.

 

[JoeJoe88]

If they want to look like WFT does with Heinicke, keep starting White.

What did they look like with Wilson? 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What did they look like with Wilson? 

What's the goal? What did they expect to look like this year with Wilson?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The Jets aren't going anywhere this year anyway.  It seems foolish not to give Wilson as many starts as possible.

 

[Balco]

If they want to look like WFT does with Heinicke, keep starting White.

Interested to hear why you compare White to Heinicke.

 

[fightingillini]

As one of my Jets brethren mentioned in another thread it seems LIKELY (not certain....but likely) that teams will adjust to White's "style" (which was all short passes) over the next couple of weeks if they stick with him.  While the Jets have some decent young weapons in the short passing game (nice breakout by Carter yesterday) I dont think they're gonna be able to sustain this kind of production without being able to go down field. Teams will adjust after seeing the Bengals carved up yesterday.

As someone who was highly skeptical of the Wilson pick, I did feel a little vindicated by seeing another QB (one with basically zero experience....and missing their #1 receiver) play so well. For all the talk about Wilson's "off platform" ability, I kinda just want my QB to be able to complete simple throws. All we heard about was how Wilson was super accurate on short passes. Well, he's been pretty awful in that phase of the game all season, constantly missing screens and other short throws.

As a Jet fan, I'm hoping to be wrong about Wilson. But I still think you have to go back to him once he's healthy. This is a lost season. This management team spent a very high pick on him and have tied their future to him. I just dont believe they're gonna let him sit on the bench for White, a guy who they've waived multiple times. If they can keep Wilson upright and he's not getting killed every week (which was a concern the first few weeks of the year with how badly the line was playing), I think they need to play him.

If White throws for 350 and beats Indy on Thursday....yeah, it will be tough to sit him down. But I think they still will. I do think that PART of the success yesterday was Lefleur finally figuring out some ways to get Carter and Moore more involved (something that they clearly struggled with for the first few weeks of the season)_

I was going to say the same thing.  My guess that yesterday was a trap game for CIN and they didn't show up to play and paid for it big time.  Let's see what White can do when IND has a week to see game film and scheme against it.  Can White make the appropriate adjustments?

 

[Chaka]

This. In watching the game at no time did I feel like we weren't watching a backup quarterback. 

He averages 9 YPA, I guess most of that could be YAC.

Anyone have the YAC numbers handy?

Although if it was all YAC on 45 attempts it means White did a heckuva job leading his receivers and throwing them open.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Interested to hear why you compare White to Heinicke.

Because he looks good enough in spurts to make you think that if you squint hard enough you can convince yourself that he might be a long term starter.

 

[Balco]

Because he looks good enough in spurts to make you think that if you squint hard enough you can convince yourself that he might be a long term starter.

We will have to see a little more of white - I think we have seen enough of heinicke. Indy is going to try and take away the short game on Thursday, this is the test. Does White have the arm strength to make them pay? 

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think you need to see what you have with Wilson and give him as many starts as possible. The opportunity cost for mis-evaluating him is much higher than for doing the same with White. Greater odds on Wilson’s success as well. 

 

[Tanner9919]

 they just need to keep bringing Michael Carter along like this. Eventually the QB situation will right itself. They have 2 firsts next season correct? I'm calling houston for Watson offering both first round picks. 

I'd ride the hot hand now, get the wins where you can.  If they look better with White, whats the point of switching. 

 

[GreenNGold]

I think it is White's job to lose at this point.  If he puts up another good game I don't see how they can go back to Wilson. 

 

[GreenNGold]

What did they look like with Wilson? 

The Jets. 

 

[Bri]

White had no value after a flop in Dallas. Now he's got everyone's attention and their supposed franchise QB doesn't have to get lit up every week.

Wilson got the experience he needed. There's a good amount of rookie QBs that played part of the season and did well their second year. 

I would be very afraid of Wilson getting gunshy from all the hits like Carr, Couch, Akili, Ward and others.

 

[travdogg]

I honestly don't even think White played well against the Bengals. The Bengals were a young ascendant team, coming off a huge emotional win over a heated rival, who had a huge letdown game. Bengals defense was extremely sloppy, and White just had to dink and dunk and watch as the Bengals missed tackle after tackle. 

Indy won't make that mistake. Sometimes, I think, QBs have a huge advantage in their first start, or first major playing time. We saw it with Heinicke, we saw it with Cooper Rush, and I think we saw it with Mike White. I don't see him as any threat to Zach Wilson at all. You aren't benching the #2 overall pick in a lost season, where his learning curve is the most important thing for the team long term. 

 

[sheerterror]

I honestly don't even think White played well against the Bengals. The Bengals were a young ascendant team, coming off a huge emotional win over a heated rival, who had a huge letdown game. Bengals defense was extremely sloppy, and White just had to dink and dunk and watch as the Bengals missed tackle after tackle. 

Indy won't make that mistake. Sometimes, I think, QBs have a huge advantage in their first start, or first major playing time. We saw it with Heinicke, we saw it with Cooper Rush, and I think we saw it with Mike White. I don't see him as any threat to Zach Wilson at all. You aren't benching the #2 overall pick in a lost season, where his learning curve is the most important thing for the team long term. 

I agree with the majority of what you said here, but I do think they will try to use White's performance as justification to let Zach take a break for a few weeks and watch/learn the pro game from a different perspective.  1 step back to take 2 forwards with a rookie that struggled early isn't always the worst move.  I think they intended to do this via Flacco, but White went out and earned another crack this week.