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I don't know anyone in the organization and it has been on Charlotte sports news that they were not franchising him. I think I saw it on the local Fox station on Sunday night and I was out of town all weekend.Problem is that if they cannot trade him, they have a $20M (I think that was the number) salary. Also, if the team that gets him can't sign a long term deal that is what they pay him as well.I would bet that other teams know the Panthers won't pay him that so why even feign interest to Carolina if you know they will not franchise him. I am sure Carolina checked around and it wasn't worth the risk of having to keep him at that salary.
Its on the front page of ESPNI don't know anyone in the organization and it has been on Charlotte sports news that they were not franchising him. I think I saw it on the local Fox station on Sunday night and I was out of town all weekend.
You just said it
Nothing was official until today.I don't know anyone in the organization and it has been on Charlotte sports news that they were not franchising him. I think I saw it on the local Fox station on Sunday night and I was out of town all weekend.
Does Pepperss fit a 3/4? I guess a player like him will fit in any scheme, but would he be a OLB in 4/3? or a DE?Peppers seems like the kind of player that only plays when he wants to, doenst have that nonstop motor you would like him to have
Id like him for when he is on...but its that on again off again that would worry me.And then you have the factors of how much money he wants...added in with we just don't know how he will fit in the 3-4 right now. Will he be Kampman redo? For way more money?He is a beast when he wants to be it seems...but too much has been written about his inconsistency.And would it just be for pass rushing and nothing else? Can he cover well as an OLB? If not, are we relegating Matthews to more coverage then?It would be interesting for sure. Just so many questions for how much money he will command.IMO...a team that should push big time for him are the Titans. KVB is pretty ineffective without big Al in the middle it seems.Bud has the money...getting older and youd think he would like to try and push one through before he kicks the bucket. WHy not open up the wallet a bit this uncapped year and try and pull it off.Still a good run D...add in a pass rush and it helps the rest of the D to go with that run game on offense.
If the Panthers franchised Julius again and he ended up not being traded, I think it would cost Carolina 21.5 million, and then there would also be the 1.5 million dollar pro bowl incentive bonus. I'm glad Carolina is not franchising him again. Recently, Julius said that the Panthers silence about his future since the end of the season was a "turn off." The Panthers offered Julius a very lucrative long term contract several times in the past offseasons, and he turned his nose up at it. Now it seems he has changed his tune, but so have the Panthers.
Bucs claim they are only interested in building through the draft. Not that I believe that, but the Glazers won't give him theI hear the weather is good in Tampa
he is looking for.
I believe he could fit a 3/4 scheme if he wants to. With that being said he's a beast going after the quarterback and wasting that skill 25% of the time in coverage doesn't make much sense. I saw what Aaron Kampman went through last season and some players are just better off in a 4/3 going after the passer.
It seems that Peppers was getting some really crappy info and advice from his agent. He was offered a contract 2 years ago to be the highest paid Defensive player after his miserable 2 sack year. He turned it down. The Panthers franchised him and then peppers and his agent went back to say they would accept the original deal. The panthers declined and he ended up playing for the 17 million last season. He is such a spotty player that I cannot see any team in their right mind paying him anywhere remotely close to the league highest. He can win games for you, Minnesota comes to mind but his lackluster plays far outweigh when he actually tries.
I actually think he could be a good 3-4 end, but again it seems like a waste of some of his talent.He should probably just go to Jacksonville and play 4-3 end.
The funny part is when the Patriot homers think he will sign with them for an extraordinarily low contract.. because they are the Patriots.JohnnyU said:
Your definition of "fantastic" is extremely different then mine. He would dominate about 2 or 3 games a year and then mail it in. He didnt work hard when he was forced to. If you put Jarad Allens motor on Peppers he probably would be the best ever. he just takes too many plays, games and even seasons (2007) off. Not worth the money or headache. Plus he is not a vocal leader something that you would expect from someone making 17 million a year.
Well the problem with him potentially moving to outside LB would be that he just about refuses to drop into coverage. He needs to stay at DEPlasmaDogPlasma said:
I think you are both right, FWIW, here is his career in CAR:NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year (2002)
The Panthers franchised Peppers because he wouldn't accept any long term deal offered. It also took him a long time to sign the franchise tag. Peppers and his agent never went back and said they would accept any deal. Peppers made out like a bandit last year getting 17 million.pantherclub said:
hopefully it's the NY Giants...Trade Osi, pay Peppers.
exactly. I think that he is going for the cash, not the ring.Would Crazy Al go after him? Maybe Jerry Jones?
That simply is not true.As for his stats I do not dispute that but as I said earlier he can solely win games by himself and that is where the egregious sack totals come in. He may get 3 in one game and then go 5 without any type of production. He is not worth 20 million.
Peppers can be a great player when he wants to be. He simply is not consistent. He does not get doubled teamed that often and I've seen him taken out of plays by the TE blocking him. Here is an example of inconsistency:First 8 games 7 sacksLast 8 games 3.5 sacksPlayoff team sacks 3.5 (ARI, NYJ, MIN, PHI)Non-Playoff team sacks 7 ( WAS, TB, BUF, NYG)He feasts on bad teams and plays ok against good teams. Granted, he will show up for some games against good competition, but again, no consistency. Also noticeably missing are games against ATL and NO. If you are a dominate player, you should show up during games against your rivals.ATL game 1 = 2 tacklesNO game 1 = 1 tackleATL game 2 = 0 tacklesNO game 2 = 3 tacklesAt least he had 3 sacks against TB. (5 of his sacks came against TB and WAS in 3 games)
This is not good logic, sometimes opporunity and situations don't allow for sacks to arise. It could be a combo of things for that to happen and bad play could be one of them, but that is not always the case.J. Allen this year: First 8 games 10.5 sacks, last 8 games of the season 4 sacks. Was Allen taking plays off too or was he just struggling to get off the ball and or being doubled out of games etc? He also had 4.5 sacks against the Packers. So 31% of his sacks this year came from one game. Are we going to hold those good games against great players? I can assure you that every offensive game plan when preparing for Carolina would spend a good portion talking about what they are going to do with Peppers.
I think you're being a little too critical of his play. Just to compare: Peppers had 2 tackles or less in 7 of the 14 games he played in. He also had 0 sacks in 5 of the 14 games he played in. Look at Jared Allen. He had 2 tackles or less in 9 of the 15 games he played in. He had 0 sacks in 7 of the 15 games he played in.
Becareful what you wish for.......Peppers run over the last 8 seasons has been a good one for himself and a good one for Carolina. Peppers has not been perfect but it will be hard to get the type of production Peppers has offered over his time in Carolina.-Teams record with Peppers over the last 8 season is 71-47-The 5 seasons prior to Peppers getting there yielded a 33-47 record.-Peppers career sack percentage of 0.66% sacks per game won't be easy to replace -Peppers seems like a fall guy in Carolina and people may not notice how important he actually was to that team until he is gone.BassNBrew said:
You cannot be this obtuse right?
I'm not sure, but I dont' think Jared Allen got 17.5M this past year. Might be wrong though.
What Peppers made is irrelevant, and it is clouding the facts with Panter fans. Many consider Jared Allen to be one of the best if not the best DE in football right now, and many Panther fans are on here calling Peppers inconsistent. Yet the stats show that Allen is just as, if not more, inconsistent than Peppers.VaCatFan said:
This Panther fan doesn't care if he's inconsistent because that WILL happen. Can't be up every game. Won't get 2-3 sacks every game etc. The difference between Pep and Allen is simple for me. Pep's inconsistency came from his taking plays/games off. Allen would have a tough time because of scheme etc. It wasn't because of effort.All I ask from the team is to play as hard as you can every game. Pep refused to do that.
I don't think Peppers is the sole reason for that record obviously, but he was definitely a big part of it, and to think otherwise would not be right.pantherclub said:
peppers has had good season and awful seasons in his career. overall i think he is a little over rated.
