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Kid took air horn to the face (1 Viewer)

Maybe you should give her a trophy for outstanding pushing of a button.Just curious but where do you put yourself in the list of people to blame here?
Somewhere below the store/manufacturer who were somewhat negligent in the handling and distribution of the product, isn't that relatively clear?
I'm confused. Did the horn not work the way it was supposed to?I was under the impression that the horn worked as designed, and the injury was caused by user error.
Do you think a product that can cause serious personal injury when improperly used ought to be packaged in such a way that a user could try it out right off the shelf without having to even remove it from its package?
So far I haven't seen a reasonable defense of their packaging of the product. The simple explanation is that there isn't one.
Is this a horn targeted to kids? In other words, a horn for kids that packs an adult sound? If not, what more explanation do you need than it's targeted for an adult who understands what an air horn is and not a child??
I'm not following your logic here.
 
Many products that are geared towards adults and have potentially serious consequences for children even have safety measures built into them. Lighters, pill bottles, guns, etc. The more I think about this, I'd say it's questionable as to whether a child should have even been able to sound the horn if it's not intended to be used by them.

 
Lighters protection is to prevent it from accidentally going off in your pocket, not sure I'd call it kid proof.

Especially, a zippo type.

Safety on a gun i wouldn't call kids proofing either

 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan

 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
 
maybe you should crusade for tougher air horn legislation.lifetime pays good money.
Pretty sure there's someone on the case already, hence the keep out of reach of children fine print. Unfortunately the place that is distributing it didn't seem to get the memo, and it's possible that my daughter has permanent ear damage as a result. I know you guys find this to be some amusing life lesson and all, but this is potentially a serious situation.
Maybe you should have kept it out of the reach of your children.
Had I actually purchased and took control of the product, I'd definitely feel that was my responsibility. They were in possession and control of the product at the time of the incident.
Who was in possession and control of your kid?
Took the words out of my mouth.I will never understand the way people want to sue over their own incompetence, ignorance, or lapse in judgement.Ridiculous. I am responsible for the actions of my children until they fly the nest, I don't use leashes, and frankly laugh at people who do.It's as simple as teaching your kids early not to touch things that don't belong to them. My eldest is 2 1/2, loves touching everything, we are working on that, and its getting better, but she has already been indoctrined with the never leave daddys side. My kid doesn't wander. She knows if she goes against our "correct ways to present yourself in public" (not really sure what to call it...) we will pack up and go at the drop of a dime. I don't care where we are, what we are doing, or howmuch it costs. Teaching your kids is amazingly easier when they realize you will follow through. Something I find a lot of parents lack./soapbox.Hope your kid is alright, but there is no suing anyone, and you should just chalk it up to life lesson for the whole family, including mom and dad.
 
Many products that are geared towards adults and have potentially serious consequences for children even have safety measures built into them. Lighters, pill bottles, guns, etc. The more I think about this, I'd say it's questionable as to whether a child should have even been able to sound the horn if it's not intended to be used by them.
They have to make it easy to use otherwise a boater that couldn't use his air horn in time would sue the company if they got in an accident. Can you think of anybody that might do something like that?
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
i did not say you would but you would probably get on the stand when the other side tried to lay this on you and if you react that way which is like you ahve the whole time i am pretty sure that if the other dudahs and dudetes on the jury were like me they would not like you and would probably just say it was on you but again i get it it is your kid and you are totally entitled so i donot fault you and frankly who cares about that i just hope your girl is totally fine and this is just a blip on an 8 year olds good long life of happy i am really not trying to stir it up with you so my apologies if you took it that way brohan power and solidarity my main man
 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
i did not say you would but you would probably get on the stand when the other side tried to lay this on you and if you react that way which is like you ahve the whole time i am pretty sure that if the other dudahs and dudetes on the jury were like me they would not like you and would probably just say it was on you but again i get it it is your kid and you are totally entitled so i donot fault you and frankly who cares about that i just hope your girl is totally fine and this is just a blip on an 8 year olds good long life of happy i am really not trying to stir it up with you so my apologies if you took it that way brohan power and solidarity my main man
I'd just answer the questions. I think it's pretty clear there's some liability on their end, so the story speaks for itself. Pretty sure my lawyer would object to most of the jackassery in here, so no worries there.
 
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Alright, got a chance to see the video. As I stated, the packaging was open, but my wife was able to easily open and close the packaging with 2 fingers. In addition to the "Push Button" that is displayed on the horn, it's the prominent label on the packaging itself. Just doesn't seem appropriate for this sort of product.
The reason it says push button is because somebody just like you got pissed at ghem when it wouldn't work when they banged it on stuffI'd say push button is extremely appropriate
 
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Alright, got a chance to see the video. As I stated, the packaging was open, but my wife was able to easily open and close the packaging with 2 fingers. In addition to the "Push Button" that is displayed on the horn, it's the prominent label on the packaging itself. Just doesn't seem appropriate for this sort of product.
The reason it says push button is because somebody just like you got pissed at ghem when it wouldn't work when they banved it on stuff
If you actually paid attention to the link I provided earlier, you'd notice that this isn't featured on all of their horns.
 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
i did not say you would but you would probably get on the stand when the other side tried to lay this on you and if you react that way which is like you ahve the whole time i am pretty sure that if the other dudahs and dudetes on the jury were like me they would not like you and would probably just say it was on you but again i get it it is your kid and you are totally entitled so i donot fault you and frankly who cares about that i just hope your girl is totally fine and this is just a blip on an 8 year olds good long life of happy i am really not trying to stir it up with you so my apologies if you took it that way brohan power and solidarity my main man
I'd just answer the questions. I think it's pretty clear there's some liability on their end, so the story speaks for itself. Pretty sure my lawyer would object to most of the jackassery in here, so no worries there.
the only jackassery going on is yours. Man up, accept responsibility that you weren't watching your kid you were drooling at the boat you'll never be able to afford, selling your wife the same false dreams you did to get her panties off the first time.
 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
i did not say you would but you would probably get on the stand when the other side tried to lay this on you and if you react that way which is like you ahve the whole time i am pretty sure that if the other dudahs and dudetes on the jury were like me they would not like you and would probably just say it was on you but again i get it it is your kid and you are totally entitled so i donot fault you and frankly who cares about that i just hope your girl is totally fine and this is just a blip on an 8 year olds good long life of happy i am really not trying to stir it up with you so my apologies if you took it that way brohan power and solidarity my main man
I'd just answer the questions. I think it's pretty clear there's some liability on their end, so the story speaks for itself. Pretty sure my lawyer would object to most of the jackassery in here, so no worries there.
the only jackassery going on is yours. Man up, accept responsibility that you weren't watching your kid you were drooling at the boat you'll never be able to afford, selling your wife the same false dreams you did to get her panties off the first time.
Unfortunately no one has explained how their packaging is reasonable. Absent that, I'm likely going to be forced to let their lawyers explain.
 
maybe you should crusade for tougher air horn legislation.lifetime pays good money.
Pretty sure there's someone on the case already, hence the keep out of reach of children fine print. Unfortunately the place that is distributing it didn't seem to get the memo, and it's possible that my daughter has permanent ear damage as a result. I know you guys find this to be some amusing life lesson and all, but this is potentially a serious situation.
Maybe you should have kept it out of the reach of your children.
Had I actually purchased and took control of the product, I'd definitely feel that was my responsibility. They were in possession and control of the product at the time of the incident.
If you were in a hardware store and your misbehaved kid picked up a hammer and hit herself in the head would you blame the store for not keeping the hammers in a locked cabinet?
 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
i did not say you would but you would probably get on the stand when the other side tried to lay this on you and if you react that way which is like you ahve the whole time i am pretty sure that if the other dudahs and dudetes on the jury were like me they would not like you and would probably just say it was on you but again i get it it is your kid and you are totally entitled so i donot fault you and frankly who cares about that i just hope your girl is totally fine and this is just a blip on an 8 year olds good long life of happy i am really not trying to stir it up with you so my apologies if you took it that way brohan power and solidarity my main man
I'd just answer the questions. I think it's pretty clear there's some liability on their end, so the story speaks for itself. Pretty sure my lawyer would object to most of the jackassery in here, so no worries there.
the thing about when an attorney asks a question is even if the other attorney objects guess what the jury still heard it and the minute the other guy starting asking about where were you and it ends up you were looking at some fancy boat man that is bad news i mean it that just because an accidnt went down does not mean it is somebodys problem sometimes they just happen and kids are kids and holy crapoly how many times did i fall out of some craptacular tree fort my buddies dad built i guess i could have sued the whole neigborhood but jeez sometimes you just have to learn some lessons this whole world is screwed up and you are sort of starting to make me not think brohan thoughts with the drive to make it someone elses fault so i guess we just disagree about it but i still wish your daughter the best and hey i guess take it to the bank but not with a check from a lawsuit in my opinion peace out
 
Many products that are geared towards adults and have potentially serious consequences for children even have safety measures built into them. Lighters, pill bottles, guns, etc. The more I think about this, I'd say it's questionable as to whether a child should have even been able to sound the horn if it's not intended to be used by them.
Looool what if your kid is at a Blackhawks game and someone scores?
 
maybe you should crusade for tougher air horn legislation.lifetime pays good money.
Pretty sure there's someone on the case already, hence the keep out of reach of children fine print. Unfortunately the place that is distributing it didn't seem to get the memo, and it's possible that my daughter has permanent ear damage as a result. I know you guys find this to be some amusing life lesson and all, but this is potentially a serious situation.
Maybe you should have kept it out of the reach of your children.
Had I actually purchased and took control of the product, I'd definitely feel that was my responsibility. They were in possession and control of the product at the time of the incident.
If you were in a hardware store and your misbehaved kid picked up a hammer and hit herself in the head would you blame the store for not keeping the hammers in a locked cabinet?
If my kid was lured into a van with candy, I would blame the guy who lured my kid into the van.
 
Many products that are geared towards adults and have potentially serious consequences for children even have safety measures built into them. Lighters, pill bottles, guns, etc. The more I think about this, I'd say it's questionable as to whether a child should have even been able to sound the horn if it's not intended to be used by them.
Looool what if your kid is at a Blackhawks game and someone scores?
They get a point?
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
 
sometimes accidents happen and that is why they are called accidents and they are no ones fault i think this is one of them i hope your daughter is ok but if i was on a jury and you sued the store i would find 0 percent for anyone and then you would probably have to pay costs and if you come across the way you did in this thread i would probably put liability on you but i get it because it is your kid and so you get to overreact but man just come one no one did anyone wrong here your kid just messed up and that happens stop talking lawsuit brohan
Right, because I'd actually be representing my daughter myself.
i did not say you would but you would probably get on the stand when the other side tried to lay this on you and if you react that way which is like you ahve the whole time i am pretty sure that if the other dudahs and dudetes on the jury were like me they would not like you and would probably just say it was on you but again i get it it is your kid and you are totally entitled so i donot fault you and frankly who cares about that i just hope your girl is totally fine and this is just a blip on an 8 year olds good long life of happy i am really not trying to stir it up with you so my apologies if you took it that way brohan power and solidarity my main man
I'd just answer the questions. I think it's pretty clear there's some liability on their end, so the story speaks for itself. Pretty sure my lawyer would object to most of the jackassery in here, so no worries there.
the only jackassery going on is yours. Man up, accept responsibility that you weren't watching your kid you were drooling at the boat you'll never be able to afford, selling your wife the same false dreams you did to get her panties off the first time.
Unfortunately no one has explained how their packaging is reasonable. Absent that, I'm likely going to be forced to let their lawyers explain.
It would be reasonable if there was no packaging. Kind of like how the axes at Menards have no packaging, how the hand tillers have no packaging, how the boat anchors have no packaging, how the live bait area doesn't need a lifeguard on duty, and how wine bottles arent in bubble wrap. It is because there is a certain level of common sense required in this world and if we try and prevent every accident with policies, packaging, and procedures, it would a pretty ridiculous world we live in.
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
You want to recreate the scenario and give it a go?
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
You want to recreate the scenario and give it a go?
I have. Many times.
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
mine probably would have, but she knows enough to hold that thing away from her and point it somewhere other than her face.
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
mine probably would have, but she knows enough to hold that thing away from her and point it somewhere other than her face.
:thumbup:
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
You want to recreate the scenario and give it a go?
I have. Many times.
what?
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
You want to recreate the scenario and give it a go?
I have. Many times.
Great, you let your kid wander through the boating goods aisle without being in arms reach regularly. So there really wasn't a problem with that part of it.
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
You want to recreate the scenario and give it a go?
I have. Many times.
what?
Had my 8-year-old(s) in a situation where they needed to show some manners or maybe some common sense or restraint or whatever you want to call it.Maybe 8-year-olds are different in some parts of the country. Here they don't have the mindset of dogs chasing cars.
 
Keep a better eye on your kid, Captain Crybaby.
I don't think an 8-9 year old needs serious supervision in this context. I'm just surprised a kid that old would be raised to feel like doing something like that is fine.
In the end, it's all about personal responsibility (ie. the parent in this case).
I agree but I don't think the issue is supervision. I think it's deeper than that. In other words, I wouldn't be afraid for my 8-year-old kid in that scenario not because I supervise them constantly but because they know better.
your 8 year old never does anything "dumb"?
My 8-year-old would not have pushed that button.
You want to recreate the scenario and give it a go?
I have. Many times.
Great, you let your kid wander through the boating goods aisle without being in arms reach regularly. So there really wasn't a problem with that part of it.
Exactly. As I've said many times already in this thread it's not a question of supervision for me.
 
Had my 8-year-old(s) in a situation where they needed to show some manners or maybe some common sense or restraint or whatever you want to call it.Maybe 8-year-olds are different in some parts of the country. Here they don't have the mindset of dogs chasing cars.
yeah I'm sure your kids never do anything wrong or dumb. They have never have hurt themselves or disobeyed their parents. Good luck with that.
 
I bet your daughter's teachers love you.
My wife participates in all of her classes, so they actually do.
Ya until the teacher gives her something less than 100%, then there's @#!*% to pay. This event seems to show that the first place you point the finger when stuff goes wrong is toward society.And yes that is an assumption based on limited info. But I've dealt with parents for years. Call it an educated guess if you want. I hope it's wrong.
What responsibility does the manufacturer and store have in ensuring the safe distribution of those products?
Thanks for proving my point. "What responsibility does _______________________ (insert anyone/anything but yourself) have for the bad thing that happened to me/my kid/my dog/etc?"
I would think when a company manufactures a product that can cause hearing loss if misused, they have a duty to package it in such a way that it doesn't resemble a plushy toy that squeals when kids "press here". The analogies to a stove or a knife are kind of ridiculous.
Since when does an air horn resemble a plushy toy?
 
Word is spreading fast, and moms around the neighborhood are outraged. They agree that this place makes an active attempt to attract kids and they end up there a lot as a well. They also feel that this aggression simply cannot stand.

 
Had my 8-year-old(s) in a situation where they needed to show some manners or maybe some common sense or restraint or whatever you want to call it.Maybe 8-year-olds are different in some parts of the country. Here they don't have the mindset of dogs chasing cars.
yeah I'm sure your kids never do anything wrong or dumb. They have never have hurt themselves or disobeyed their parents. Good luck with that.
Nice straw man. :hophead:
 
Word is spreading fast, and moms around the neighborhood are outraged. They agree that this place makes an active attempt to attract kids and they end up there a lot as a well. They also feel that this aggression simply cannot stand.
:fishing: but either way, is it really up to the store or anyone but the parents to tell the kid not to touch stuff in stores?
 
Also, the ringing in the ears seems to have subsided and only one of the two ears has pain right now. So it seems to be slowly progressing back to normal. Awesome, awesome news.

But what about the next kid? There's still my civic duty.

 
I understand this is a big fishing trip, and all that, but is there a punchline to it?

because otherwise I don't see the point --- is this supposed to be some goofy metaphor for iraq, or whatever, and you want to trick everyone into a certain point of view?

my 8 yr old kid blasted herself in the face with an airhorn is funny, and all that, but there's not much goin' on there to fish with.

 
Also, the ringing in the ears seems to have subsided and only one of the two ears has pain right now. So it seems to be slowly progressing back to normal. Awesome, awesome news. But what about the next kid? There's still my civic duty.
the next kid might not have idiots for parents, so the next kid can probably just be parented by his parents.
 
Also, the ringing in the ears seems to have subsided and only one of the two ears has pain right now. So it seems to be slowly progressing back to normal. Awesome, awesome news. But what about the next kid? There's still my civic duty.
the next kid might not have idiots for parents, so the next kid can probably just be parented by his parents.
But if they are, that shouldn't make them victims of an evil corporation looking to save a fraction of a penny on packaging. This is bigger than me.
 

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