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Krista4's Beatles 1-25 List Thread! Count down will start Mon Feb 14 noon ET. Will take new lists til then... (1 Viewer)

Yeah, I wrote about these in the solo Beatles thread (at least I think that's where I did).  They're cool.  Ringo redid one of them, "Christmas Time (Is Here Again)" on his solo Christmas album, which is a real hoot by the way.

:shock:   I've come around to the idea that it's not as bad as I thought.  OH does not agree; here were his thoughts:

"“For a three-hour long song, it went by pretty quick.  WTF were you thinking?  What was he thinking?  How did that guy write “Helter Skelter,” “Hey Jude,” and that?  How do you not discern between an idea and a good idea?  Did somebody just have him in a room with some synthesizers and a gun to his head, and said I need a Christmas song in six minutes or I’ll blow your head all over this Moog?  How else did he get bing bong bing bong, yeah, I’ll just double it, joke’s on you, guy!  That song is designed to make me ####### crazy.  You couldn’t go into a lab, you could study everything about my psyche and say, what would really bother Devin?  Well, Christmas music is up there, and horrible electronica, and a bunch of jarring noises that are somehow made irritating, and stupid lyrics…”practicing all year long”?  Who the hell practices Christmas carols all year long?  No one sits a kid in a room and says you gotta sing Jingle Bells.  No one practices Christmas carols.  You start singing them December 1 at earliest.  If I could I’d murder that song.  If I could go back in time, I wouldn’t murder Hitler or whatever, I’d go back to when Paul was writing that song, and destroy all evidence it ever existed.  Bop him over the head.  Maybe we’d lose a few good songs in the process, like sorry world, I’m sorry you lost the next “Blackbird,” but I saved you from the worst thing that ever happened.  I’m getting angry about that song even though I heard it five minutes ago.  I mean, I’m upset about having had it happen, not while it happened.  That’s PTSD, man.”

:excited:  
In fairness, most of the secular Christmas songs are pretty bad.

 
But you have to admire his accuracy.


much better than John's, because, well ... war wasn't over at time of release  :shrug:  took another 4 years.  

(yeahyeah, i know "War is over IF YOU WANT IT")

still a fail. 

only solo holiday tune that kicked it the #### out from jump was "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" by Georgie boy. 

 
On this date in 1963, the Beatles began their first UK tour at the Gaumont Cinema in Bradford, Yorkshire.  They were the sixth billed of six acts, below the headliner, Helen Shapiro, and such other luminaries(?) as Danny Williams, The Kestrels, Kenny Lynch, and The Honeys.  Hard to imagine this given what was soon to come!  Each night of the tour consisted of an early show and a late show, and on this date, due to treacherous weather, the theater was largely empty. 

On this night, the Beatles wore "posh burgundy suits with velvet collars" and played Chains, Keep Your Hands Off My Baby, Please Please Me, Love Me Do, Beautiful Dreamer and :hot:  A Taste of Honey (which one reviewer called their best number of the night).  Despite their sixth billing, some observers took note of them, with the Yorkshire Post reporter stating in his column that, "Best of all, there were four young men from Liverpool called The Beatles who, I predict, will go from strength to strength this year.  They sing and strum their guitars with enormous, infectious zest." 

The photographer Stanley Richardson likewise noted that the Beatles "brought the house down.  They just lit the whole show up.  They were vibrant, alive, kicking - and the audience responded to them.  They really stole the show."  Mr. Richardson also made what we'll consider the boneheaded move of the night:  refusing, despite the entreaties of Brian Epstein, to take more than one photo of the group.  In describing that one photo, he said, "The picture was taken in the foyer. We were trying to get a picture and interview with Helen, but she refused. Then these Liverpool lads piped up: ‘We’ll have our pictures taken.’ His Lordship was there in his white suit and pink carnation and he said, ‘Come on, come on, take a picture of my boys.’  I went home and processed it and returned for the end of the second house. I remember Epstein putting his arm around me and saying, ‘Oh darling, I want you to take a whole set of pictures of my boys.’ I refused. It sounds crazy now, but I’d taken pictures of pop stars before and you hardly ever got paid."

As I described last week, with apologies to James Brown, the lads were the hardest working men in show business.  They didn't join the rest of the performers on the tour bus to this show because they had instead performed two shows the previous night, and returned to Liverpool after the two-show bill on this date to perform yet again at the Cavern Club.

 
Binky The Doormat said:
sweatiest place in Lundon so I've heard


saw an interview wih Lemmy some years ago, and during the sit he was asked what inspired him to become a musician. 

he didn't source love of music, or the blues, or Elvis, or any of the other famous acts circa early '60s. nope. nothing along those lines. 

he said he wandered into the Cavern Club one afternoon, during a lunchtime gig by the lads ... he recalled seeing quite a few secretaries who were in attendance in kerchiefs, as not to ruin their 'dos upon return to work. that really impressed him. 

also a ton of sweaty young ladies, who went berserk when these guys were on stage ... he cited "Hold Me Tight" as THE song that really inspired him, said the place went bat#### crazy when they played it. 

he said it was then and there that he knew this was the way, and it was the only thing he wanted to with his life - "if these blokes can score all these chix, then i gotta find a way into this kinda life"

at the end of that particular interview passage he said to thank the Cavern Club and "Hold Me Tight" for giving the world the Lemmy we know and love. 

🖤

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Paul should have saved that Christmas song just for his fan club newsletter. It would sound much better as a rarity.

BTW as a Brian Wilson fan, that Beach Boys Christmas tune he wrote is also not good. "Christmas comes this time each year" isn't exactly a showcase of his genius.
Music quality goes out the window when you are talking about Xmas songs.  I find the McCartney one and the Beach Boys one great, for what they are.  I'm not rushing out to listen to either one any other time of the year other than late November through December 25th, but for cheesy Xmas songs, they are fine....

 
saw an interview wih Lemmy some years ago, and during the sit he was asked what inspired him to become a musician. 

he didn't source love of music, or the blues, or Elvis, or any of the other famous acts circa early '60s. nope. nothing along those lines. 

he said he wandered into the Cavern Club one afternoon, during a lunchtime gig by the lads ... he recalled seeing quite a few secretaries who were in attendance in kerchiefs, as not to ruin their 'dos upon return to work. that really impressed him. 

also a ton of sweaty young ladies, who went berserk when these guys were on stage ... he cited "Hold Me Tight" as THE song that really inspired him, said the place went bat#### crazy when they played it. 

he said it was then and there that he knew this was the way, and it was the only thing he wanted to with his life - "if these blokes can score all these chix, then i gotta find a way into this kinda life"

at the end of that particular interview passage he said to thank the Cavern Club and "Hold Me Tight" for giving the world the Lemmy we know and love. 

🖤
He also said that somebody in the audience called Lennon a "queer."  He got off stage, head butted the guy in the mouth and teeth and blood and snot went flying.  Got back on stage and said "Anybody else?  No?  OK, Some Other Guy" and they started rocking.

Lemmy was of the opinion that the Beatles were the real deal and that it was the Stones who were the posers, although he did like the Stones music, but he was partial to the Beatles.....

 
He also said that somebody in the audience called Lennon a "queer."  He got off stage, head butted the guy in the mouth and teeth and blood and snot went flying.  Got back on stage and said "Anybody else?  No?  OK, Some Other Guy" and they started rocking.

Lemmy was of the opinion that the Beatles were the real deal and that it was the Stones who were the posers, although he did like the Stones music, but he was partial to the Beatles.....


the streets of Liverpool/stint in Hamburg >>> London 'burbs, as far as "edge" and "grit" are concerned - the lads were definitely the more seasoned, as it were. 

it was Loog-Oldham who ran with the whole Stones being less wholesome and more dangerous, simply to distinguish them from the superior act. 

it just wasn't so  :shrug:

 
the streets of Liverpool/stint in Hamburg >>> London 'burbs, as far as "edge" and "grit" are concerned - the lads were definitely the more seasoned, as it were. 

it was Loog-Oldham who ran with the whole Stones being less wholesome and more dangerous, simply to distinguish them from the superior act. 

it just wasn't so  :shrug:
I am a huge Stones fan, so just so that is known before I say what I am about to say.

People who prefer the Stones to the Beatles because of music, that's fine and a valid argument can be made if you are more of a fan of the Stones blues based music.  That's cool.  Personally, I'm glad we have both and love both.

But I always scoff at the "the Stones were more 'authentic.'"  Just such nonsense.  The Stones image was just as, if not MORE contrived than the Beatles.  At least the Beatles were original.  The Stones were just marketed as "not the Beatles."  Oldham made them appear scruffier then they really were.  Ruder then they really were.  And the worst was Mick even put on a phony Cockney accent in the mid 60s so they wouldn't sound so posh.  In other words, it was a complete lie.  

I understand image is important, so I don't care that they marketed themselves that way, but to claim that the Stones image was real and the Beatles was contrived is utter nonsense.  I would argue that of the two, the Stones was the more contrived image.

 
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I am a huge Stones fan, so just so that is known before I say what I am about to say.

People who prefer the Stones to the Beatles because of music, that's fine and a valid argument can be made if you are more of a fan of the Stones blues based music.  That's cool.  Personally, I'm glad we have both and love both.

But I always scoff at the "the Stones were more 'authentic.'"  Just such nonsense.  The Stones image was just as, if not MORE contrived than the Beatles.  At least the Beatles were original.  The Stones were just marketed as "not the Beatles."  Oldham made them appear scruffier then they really were.  Ruder then they really were.  And the worst was Mick even put on a phony Cockney accent in the mid 60s so they wouldn't sound so posh.  In other words, it was a complete lie.  

I understand image is important, so I don't care that they marketed themselves that way, but to claim that the Stones image was real and the Beatles was contrived is utter nonsense.  I would argue that of the two, the Stones was the more contrived image.


i think i said the same thing, but in much less words ... dunno if you are claiming i meant otherwise here 🤷 

 
Oldham made them appear scruffier then they really were.  Ruder then they really were.  And the worst was Mick even put on a phony Cockney accent in the mid 60s so they wouldn't sound so posh.  In other words, it was a complete lie.  
 


Not to mention that the Stones were more posh in their upbringing.  Middle-class London > working class Liverpool by far.  Of the Beatles, only John came from more of a middle-class background.  I wrote up Ringo's background in my solo thread.  :cry:   

 
Not to mention that the Stones were more posh in their upbringing.  Middle-class London > working class Liverpool by far.  Of the Beatles, only John came from more of a middle-class background.  I wrote up Ringo's background in my solo thread.  :cry:   
Yeah, another quote from Lemmy was something like Ringo being from the Dingle is the British equivalent of being from the Bronx.  Tough area....

 
Yeah, another quote from Lemmy was something like Ringo being from the Dingle is the British equivalent of being from the Bronx.  Tough area....


From my thread, in case anyone didn't read it:lol:

"Ringo had the roughest upbringing of any of the Beatles, having grown up poor in a tough and violent working-class area of inner-city Liverpool called Dingle.  His parents divorced when he was 4 or 5, and he had very little contact with his father thereafter.  His mother took a variety of back-breaking jobs to try to support the family, cleaning houses or working in bars.  After contracting an infection during an appendectomy when he was six, Ringo was in a coma for several days, and a year-long recovery took him out of school for that period of time.  By eight years old, he still hadn't learned to read.  When Ringo had almost recovered from all of that and caught up in school, at 13 he got TB and was in a hospital for two years.  It was during this time that he learned to drum, as the hospital staff encouraged participation in music as a therapy to assist their patients.  When Ringo was finally released from the hospital, he never went back to school and instead took a variety of jobs such as machinist, waiter, railway worker...anything to eke out a living...until Rory and the Hurricanes started to have enough success for him to be a full-time musician."

 
From my thread, in case anyone didn't read it:lol:

"Ringo had the roughest upbringing of any of the Beatles, having grown up poor in a tough and violent working-class area of inner-city Liverpool called Dingle.  His parents divorced when he was 4 or 5, and he had very little contact with his father thereafter.  His mother took a variety of back-breaking jobs to try to support the family, cleaning houses or working in bars.  After contracting an infection during an appendectomy when he was six, Ringo was in a coma for several days, and a year-long recovery took him out of school for that period of time.  By eight years old, he still hadn't learned to read.  When Ringo had almost recovered from all of that and caught up in school, at 13 he got TB and was in a hospital for two years.  It was during this time that he learned to drum, as the hospital staff encouraged participation in music as a therapy to assist their patients.  When Ringo was finally released from the hospital, he never went back to school and instead took a variety of jobs such as machinist, waiter, railway worker...anything to eke out a living...until Rory and the Hurricanes started to have enough success for him to be a full-time musician."


yep, this explains why he couldn't afford a proper shave back then 💈

 
Word just in that both writers are doing quite well with all the write up and we will start on time.  Get those lists in asap.  

I won't be around as much for the next week as we are going to Maui in the morning.   

Aloha.  

 
Word just in that both writers are doing quite well with all the write up and we will start on time.  Get those lists in asap.  also 

I won't be around as much for the next week as we are going to Maui in the morning.   

Aloha.  


I'm on the WA coast right now, and I had a beautiful beach walk this afternoon.  Not quite like Maui, though.  Aloha.

Now I'm looking out over the water, with women's Olympic hockey in the foreground, and planning a trip to the UK in July.  The trip is mostly to see my BFF in London, but for the first time, I'm also going to Liverpool.  :excited:   All Beatles-related recommendations welcome.

 
I'm on the WA coast right now, and I had a beautiful beach walk this afternoon.  Not quite like Maui, though.  Aloha.

Now I'm looking out over the water, with women's Olympic hockey in the foreground, and planning a trip to the UK in July.  The trip is mostly to see my BFF in London, but for the first time, I'm also going to Liverpool.  :excited:   All Beatles-related recommendations welcome.
If you wait and go near the end of August (24-30), Liverpool will be celebrating with the International Beatleweek Festival.

 
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On this date in 1959, "the day the music died," Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper died in a plane crash in Iowa.  Buddy Holly's influence on the Beatles, and in particular Paul and John, can't be overstated.  John described Holly as the first artist they were aware of who would play guitar and sing at the same time.  Paul marveled that Holly would not just play his songs but wrote them himself, and he became their inspiration to move away from covers (including, of course, their cover of "Words of Love") to write their own songs.  The group even took their name, The Beatles, as a play on Holly's band name, The Crickets.

Their admiration for Holly didn't end when the Beatles did.  John later recorded a cover of "Peggy Sue" for his Rock 'n' Roll album in 1975.  And Paul currently owns the publishing rights to all of Holly's songs.

 
On this date in 1959, "the day the music died," Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper died in a plane crash in Iowa.  Buddy Holly's influence on the Beatles, and in particular Paul and John, can't be overstated.  John described Holly as the first artist they were aware of who would play guitar and sing at the same time.  Paul marveled that Holly would not just play his songs but wrote them himself, and he became their inspiration to move away from covers (including, of course, their cover of "Words of Love") to write their own songs.  The group even took their name, The Beatles, as a play on Holly's band name, The Crickets.

Their admiration for Holly didn't end when the Beatles did.  John later recorded a cover of "Peggy Sue" for his Rock 'n' Roll album in 1975.  And Paul currently owns the publishing rights to all of Holly's songs.
I gotta think Holly would have transitioned seamlessly to the '60s rock scene (or folk rock, or country rock) had he lived, something many of contemporaries couldn't or didn't try to do. Hell, he might have even been a Wilbury. 

 
I gotta think Holly would have transitioned seamlessly to the '60s rock scene (or folk rock, or country rock) had he lived, something many of contemporaries couldn't or didn't try to do. Hell, he might have even been a Wilbury. 


Agree 100% with the former, and love the idea of the latter.

 
I was terrible at it until my Lost Years, when I started driving into Lower Manhattan all the time for club/theater shows. That forced me to get real good at it. 
I remember being in New York in Lower Manhattan and actually picking a friends car up with another friend of mine and placing it properly within the parking space (it was such a tight space and he was on the curb). I was surprised I could do that until I realized that: 

a) It was a tiny Volkswagen
b) my other friend was 6'3" and jacked

I realized it was a tiny car he lifted but let me be Mutt to his Jeff (or whatever order that goes) and bask in some strength glory.

 
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One of our cats was the first to realize that my wife was pregnant. She insisted on lying on my wife's stomach and squealing all day. About a week later, positive pregnancy test. 


Cats are incredibly sensitive to even the most minor changes, and they are so protective of the people they love.  This is not surprising and very sweet!

 
I was terrible at it until my Lost Years, when I started driving into Lower Manhattan all the time for club/theater shows. That forced me to get real good at it. 


I think mine was from going to college in/near Boston.  :thumbup:  

I can't believe you drove in Lower Manhattan.  I never ventured into Manhattan driving.

 
I think mine was from going to college in/near Boston.  :thumbup:  

I can't believe you drove in Lower Manhattan.  I never ventured into Manhattan driving.
Lower only. Never north of MSG/Penn Station -- much harder to find spaces and more likely to need an expensive garage. Would take the train in if I was going there. But in the early '00s, it was pretty easy to find street parking in the Bowery and the Lower East Side if you knew where to look. Worst thing that ever happened was a parking ticket when I read a street sweeping sign wrong. 

 
:lol:   My best talents are parallel parking
My station wagon would put you to the test.  It can be challenging to parallel park it. Someone put a fake parking violation ticket on it a little over a month ago. The person checked different offense boxes, and in the comments section wrote: bruh ur car is long AF.  They also put hurse in the section where it says model. I'm sure they meant hearse. 

 
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