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Agreed. Not close. L Jordan could not take over C Mart in NY. Ju Jones is somewhat of a gamble because he has only played 0.5 season as a starter. But what he showed us is great. L Jordan has potential, but he has not been a starter yet so he is riskier. Parcells runs the ball. The Raiders will probably have a higher pass/run ratio than average in the NFL due to bad defense and all the weapons in the passing offense. The only reason I could see taking Jordan before Ju Jones is you could say Jones MIGHT be more injury-prone.
Couldn't take over for a Hall of Famer who hasn't slowed down one bit!?!?! That is not a knock on Jordan, there aren't very many RBs in the league who would have started ahead of Martin, the guy is a machine!Jordan is very talented but I do think Jones gets the nod because of the TDs that he will score. Moss will take too many from Jordan.
Maybe I have a bias against C Mart. But I think C Mart was the beneficiary of the situation last year. Many other RBs would have done as well or better than he did. I did not see anything to tell me that this great season was mostly his own doing. For example, if Portis had been with the Jets, the stats would have been much better. C Mart used to be very good. But I don't see him as a dominant RB anymore. He will perform as well as his OL and overall offense allow him to be.
The argument that Jordan could not take over C Mart in NY is flawed... the guy lead the league in rushing. He's been a very productive back. I definately think Jones should be drafted before Jordan. But they both may end up close. I don't like predicting injuries, so you have to project a full season. I definately think both could be in the top 5-10 at the RB position. But if you take on early take Jones. But Jordan won't hurt you IMO.
C Mart is a hall of famer. But in 2005 he is just a below average RB in my opinion. The loss of MacKenzie on the OL and the loss of good blocking TE Becht will be very obvious. This is the same guy who scored 2 TDs in 2003. Just because he scored 14 in 2004 you will move him way up on your board? Just like you moved him way down after he scored only 2 TDs. I guess this should be the topic of another thread.
Okay this is a pretty fair and honest analysis by you Bouddha. The losses of McKenzie and Becth could do some damage to Curtis' numbers but this is still a guy who has never had fewer than 310 touches or 1,400 yards in a 10 year career. How many different offensive line combinations has he played with? He has never been a huge TD guy but even with only 2 TDs in 2003 (when he put up 1,570 yards btw) Curtis still averages 9.5 TD/year for his career. Yet every single year, without fail, fantasy guys knock him and I am thrilled to grab him in the late third/early fourth round.So yeah Curtis may suffer with the losses on the line but then again he may not. I think a safe low end prediction for Curtis is 1,400 yards and 7 TDs. Not to shabby and definitely not below average.
I am not saying C Mart will be horrible. I just think his carries will go down (age), his YPC will go down due to the loss of MacKenzie and Becht. His TDs were abnormally low in 2003, abnormally high in 2004 so 2005 will be in between. So he is going down on all categories. I agree he might be drafted a little too late based on his value.
Isn't one of these recievers the guy who said that he takes plays off? Isn't this the same guy who you can actually see giving an olay block to DB's when it's a run play? Oh, wait you must mean the reciever that gives up on his teammates and leaves the field early. Yeah, he should do wonders for the run game in Oakland. I saw someone say "Jordan=Jones" that is exactly how I would treat it going into the season. In a redraft league I might actually tip the scales to Jones just based on age.I have these guys near eachother; Lamont Jordan is a true beast who will break some 40 plus runs this year, especially with those recievers spreading the opposing d's and in the 4th quarter when the d's are worn down. Julius looked sensational last year; his speed through the line and holes looked incredible; who do you like and why?
Look here in the value article: Value RBHey Jurb, you're not crazy. However, Barber's an unknown, a rookie 3rd rounder and A-train's a pretty good backup. I thought Julius Jones looked great at the end of last season, however, when he was hurt, the Cowboys had nothing at RB, I mean nothing. They weren't going to let that happen again to them so they went out and bought what they think could be a decent back up (thomas) and gambled on what they think is some value in Barber in the 3rd round. I've seen Barber play a lot (Big 10 fan), he's shown lots of talent at times, other times..........I think it's going to take a little time for him to adapt but you might see a couple plays where you see why Dallas took the chance in drafting him.
Which 2 subpar season [1,000 yard] seasons are you referring to?
Too funny.
| 1995 nwe | 16 | 368 1487 4.0 14 | 30 261 8.7 1 || 1996 nwe | 16 | 316 1152 3.6 14 | 46 333 7.2 3 || 1997 nwe | 13 | 274 1160 4.2 4 | 41 296 7.2 1 || 1998 nyj | 15 | 369 1287 3.5 8 | 43 365 8.5 1 || 1999 nyj | 16 | 367 1464 4.0 5 | 45 259 5.8 0 || 2000 nyj | 16 | 316 1204 3.8 9 | 70 508 7.3 2 || 2001 nyj | 16 | 333 1513 4.5 10 | 53 320 6.0 0 || 2002 nyj | 16 | 261 1094 4.2 7 | 49 362 7.4 0 || 2003 nyj | 16 | 323 1308 4.0 2 | 42 262 6.2 0 || 2004 nyj | 16 | 371 1697 4.6 12 | 41 245 6.0 2 |
Dave,That sound you hear is me laughing with you. As you can see by my team below.
This wasn't only his problem in Dal last year. It was the same in college as well:http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/julius_jones
Ok, how bout if we shorten the requirements to ONE GAME where he's a feature back in the last year?Hmmmmkay?In what his entire 1 NFL season and 8 games of which he did not stay healthy....
