Lebron James will never win a championship... (2 Viewers)

[Bob Sacamano]

ITS THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED SHAWN

lol

 

[B-Deep]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So you only watched LeBron for 6 games this year but can definitively say that he has no mid-range game even though every single statistic says that he does?

We know that LeBron did not play up to his potential in the finals. No one is denying that. Maybe you should spend less time schooling guys that quicker, younger and taller than you and spend some time watching the Heat play if you want to accurately rip on his abilities.

Beyond the six games, I've watched LeBron for years now and haven't seen the mid-range game. I sit and watch the finals and, guess what?, he shows a poor mid-range game. Maybe he has it, maybe he doesn't. Past history and what I just saw says he doesn't. There are lies, damn lies and stats. They don't tell the whole story and never will. I've got my preconceived idea from years of observation, confirmed by the 6 most recent games and a professional analyst. I may be wrong, but you may be too.

I'm not wrong. The statistics prove that he has a better jumper shot than his peers.

The statistics prove one thing, that he makes a higher % of his shots from that range than his peers and nothing more or less. "Better" includes so many things that you can never quantify and I'll promise you that Kobe Bryant has a better mid-range game than Lebron James no matter what the stats say.

That stats do say that Kobe is a better shooter from 10-15 feet by a fairly large margin (6%). Kobe's shooting is also starting a decline because his legs are getting old and has less lift on his shot. This is shown by the decline in his shooting % over the few years from 16-23 feet and from 3.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So you only watched LeBron for 6 games this year but can definitively say that he has no mid-range game even though every single statistic says that he does? We know that LeBron did not play up to his potential in the finals. No one is denying that. Maybe you should spend less time schooling guys that quicker, younger and taller than you and spend some time watching the Heat play if you want to accurately rip on his abilities.

Beyond the six games, I've watched LeBron for years now and haven't seen the mid-range game. I sit and watch the finals and, guess what?, he shows a poor mid-range game. Maybe he has it, maybe he doesn't. Past history and what I just saw says he doesn't. There are lies, damn lies and stats. They don't tell the whole story and never will. I've got my preconceived idea from years of observation, confirmed by the 6 most recent games and a professional analyst. I may be wrong, but you may be too.

I'm not wrong. The statistics prove that he has a better jumper shot than his peers.

Just to jump in the middle here, but you are both arguing about his Finals performance, not his regular season stats. So what was his percentage of Mid-range jumpers taken and made in the Finals, since those are the games that Jayrod watched? Maybe you are both right?You just keep reiterating that his regular season stats show he is above average, but what about just this series?

I've said multiple times that he was bad (for his standards) in the finals. Saying that he is a bad mid-range shooter based on the last 6 games is completely ridiculous.

 

[No. 16]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

 

[matuski]

He doesn't have an offensive game that he can rely on: no low-post game, no mid-range jump shot so when the game really gets tough he has a hard time finding easy baskets and getting himself going. That's what Michael did in his sleep

This is exactly what i was saying this morning... only this does a better job.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

Hmmm... Is this going to be a game where Kobe feels he needs to prove a point?Are they playing FOR something?I think I need context before wagering on either of these guys.

 

[B-Deep]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

 

[B-Deep]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

Hmmm... Is this going to be a game where Kobe feels he needs to prove a point?Are they playing FOR something?I think I need context before wagering on either of these guys.

gimme Wayne "tree" Rollins over either

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Stacey King >>>>>>D. Simpkins

There, I said it.

 

[B-Deep]

Stacey King >>>>>>D. SimpkinsThere, I said it.

ok, it's go timeno one insults dickey

 

[No. 16]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

Good for Kobe he didn't go around calling himself "King" or had a 1 hour special dedicated to his FA signings.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

Well now you're just fishing. I don't agree with this at all.I think there are tons of people who appropriately discount Kobe for being the Barea to Shaq's Dirk.

 

[boubucarow]

Stacey King >>>>>>D. Simpkins

There, I said it.

Scott Williams has them both beat. Titles in his first three seasons in the league. Easy.I also will always love Jo Jo English.

 

[B-Deep]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

Good for Kobe he didn't go around calling himself "King" or had a 1 hour special dedicated to his FA signings.

nohe just caused a rift in his team, caused them to blow a title shot against, and then drove out the most dominant player of his generation just to prove he was the manoh and he may have raped someonei hate me some lebron, but i'd as soon guzzle his Gatorade as piss on kobe if he was on fire

 

[B-Deep]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

Well now you're just fishing. I don't agree with this at all.I think there are tons of people who appropriately discount Kobe for being the Barea to Shaq's Dirk.

i dream about shaq's dirk

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lol

it matters WHY you quit

quitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quit

you know who never quit?

Dickey Simpkins

and he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

Well now you're just fishing. I don't agree with this at all.I think there are tons of people who appropriately discount Kobe for being the Barea to Shaq's Dirk.

i dream about shaq's dirk

I know you do, GB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I want to switch gears here a little bit, as I just had a wild and, frankly, completely original thought.

LeBron should probably spend the off-season working on his mid-range jumper. In my estimation as a frequent watcher of basketball and someone who played on a junior high team that only lost 3 games in 2 years, the guy looks to be below average in that department. Or at the very least subpar when compared to other "Kings", including my boy Stacey, who was

 

[B-Deep]

I want to switch gears here a little bit, as I just had a wild and, frankly, completely original thought.LeBron should probably spend the off-season working on his mid-range jumper. In my estimation as a frequent watcher of basketball and someone who played on a junior high team that only lost 3 games in 2 years, the guy looks to be below average in that department. Or at the very least subpar when compared to other "Kings", including my boy Stacey, who was

and hire Bobby "the brain" heenan to handle the press/threadsac and i solved it

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I know you do, GB.

LOL

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

lol at, "Kobe would never quit except for that time he quit."

He quit because he was foolishly sending a message, not because he withered due to pressure.

lolit matters WHY you quitquitters never win, unless there is a damn good reason they quityou know who never quit?Dickey Simpkinsand he has the rings to prove it

Quit or not. I'll take a prime Kobe led team vs a prime LBJ led team for the NBA title if everything else is equal.

luckily for kobe he got his first set of championships without having to be the lead, and everyone was fine with it

Good for Kobe he didn't go around calling himself "King" or had a 1 hour special dedicated to his FA signings.

No, he just forced Charlotte's hand and told the league he'd only play for the Lakers when he was 17 and yet to set foot on an NBA floor.

 

[B-Deep]

K. Bean Bryant sucks worse than lebron

 

[rascal]

Lebron needs to add some Rodman to his persona.

 

[B-Deep]

lebron will win a title before the lakers win one

chicago will beat both to the promised land

the spurs will get a lottery pick in the next draw

coach K is going to coach the hornets within the next 5 years

mark cuban will buy a soccer team, and no one will care

there will be a 4 point line

dickey is going to mount a comeback

 

[Jayrod]

I want to switch gears here a little bit, as I just had a wild and, frankly, completely original thought.LeBron should probably spend the off-season working on his mid-range jumper. In my estimation as a frequent watcher of basketball and someone who played on a junior high team that only lost 3 games in 2 years, the guy looks to be below average in that department. Or at the very least subpar when compared to other "Kings", including my boy Stacey, who was

I will fight all of you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I want to switch gears here a little bit, as I just had a wild and, frankly, completely original thought.LeBron should probably spend the off-season working on his mid-range jumper. In my estimation as a frequent watcher of basketball and someone who played on a junior high team that only lost 3 games in 2 years, the guy looks to be below average in that department. Or at the very least subpar when compared to other "Kings", including my boy Stacey, who was

I will fight all of you.

Mario Chalmers alias?

 

[The Z Machine]

He's no Magic Johnson. They guy could do it all (except play shut-down defense).

 

[Jayrod]

He's no Magic Johnson. They guy could do it all (except play shut-down defense).

He didn't have a very good mid-range game either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh yeah! Well LeBron doesn't have AIDS!

[/heathonk]

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course, neither does Kobe. Yet.

Just a few more qualifying Marriott VIP stays, and he'll surely get upgraded from VIP to HIV+

 

[gollum]

nasty little heatses, we hates them!

they wants to steal our precious

tricksy little heatses

 

[B-Deep]

Oh yeah! Well LeBron doesn't have AIDS![/heathonk]

another reason to hate himLebron = Homophobe

 

[B-Deep]

nasty little heatses, we hates them!they wants to steal our precioustricksy little heatses

bizarre

 

[B-Deep]

poor kobe gets no respect

even in former laker sexcapades

Wilt bagged 1000

Magic got aids from Zeke

and all Kobe did was have semi-consensual sex with some maid from Motel 6

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

poor kobe gets no respecteven in former laker sexcapadesWilt bagged 1000Magic got aids from Zekeand all Kobe did was have semi-consensual sex with some maid from Motel 6

I thought Wilt bagged like 20,000?

 

[B-Deep]

poor kobe gets no respecteven in former laker sexcapadesWilt bagged 1000Magic got aids from Zekeand all Kobe did was have semi-consensual sex with some maid from Motel 6

I thought Wilt bagged like 20,000?

i think you are rightat some point you just stop keeping score

 

[B-Deep]

from wiki:

He was a lifelong bachelor and became notorious for his claim to having had sex with over 20,000 women, none of which accused him of rape and none of which were hotel maids.

 

[B-Deep]

Many of Chamberlain's personal friends testified[citation needed] that he once had 23 women in 10 days

that's 2.3 women a day, almost matches lebron's average 4th quarter scoring in the finals

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

:sizzle:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

poor kobe gets no respecteven in former laker sexcapadesWilt bagged 1000Magic got aids from Zekeand all Kobe did was have semi-consensual sex with some maid from Motel 6

More than Tom Bodett gets.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Many of Chamberlain's personal friends testified[citation needed] that he once had 23 women in 10 daysthat's 2.3 women a day, almost matches lebron's average 4th quarter scoring in the finals

lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

poor kobe gets no respecteven in former laker sexcapadesWilt bagged 1000Magic got aids from Zekeand all Kobe did was have semi-consensual sex with some maid from Motel 6

More than Tom Bodett gets.

"For Motel 6, I'm Kobe Bryant, and I'll leave the cheeks spread for ya'"Pretty sure I should get 10% of whatever he ends up making from this.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That reminds me: Whatever happened to that guy with the online kitchen idea IB and I gave a whole marketing campaign that was better than anything he could have paid for? Pretty sure there should be royalties coming unless he screwed that up.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

poor kobe gets no respecteven in former laker sexcapadesWilt bagged 1000Magic got aids from Zekeand all Kobe did was have semi-consensual sex with some maid from Motel 6

More than Tom Bodett gets.

"For Motel 6, I'm Kobe Bryant, and I'll leave the cheeks spread for ya'"Pretty sure I should get 10% of whatever he ends up making from this.

o

 

[Shrugs]

Kobe didn't force Shaq out. Shaq forced himself out by mouthing "PAY ME!" to the cameras during a preseason game while making an NBA-high $34 million a year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I find it wholly believable, and in fact quite likely, that an above-average sports franchise would send its star player packing for mouthing something into a camera during the pre-season.

I heard the 49ers finally decided to part ways with Joe Montana after he pantamimed being trapped in a box during OTAs. Last straw, I'm sure. Can't blame them, really.

 

[got_nugs]

I find it wholly believable, and in fact quite likely, that an above-average sports franchise would send its star player packing for mouthing something into a camera during the pre-season. I heard the 49ers finally decided to part ways with Joe Montana after he pantamimed being trapped in a box during OTAs. Last straw, I'm sure. Can't blame them, really.

Freaking Pantomimers.

 

[Shrugs]

I find it wholly believable, and in fact quite likely, that an above-average sports franchise would send its star player packing for mouthing something into a camera during the pre-season. I heard the 49ers finally decided to part ways with Joe Montana after he pantamimed being trapped in a box during OTAs. Last straw, I'm sure. Can't blame them, really.

It wasn't for mouthing "something" into a camera. It was for attempting to show up ownership by publicly demanding more money when he was already making $30 million a year. That was when ownership became fed up with him and decided that it was time to build the team around the younger star player rather than extending with an increase the contract of the aging, lazy star player who had just joined the team overweight and out of shape and yet already was making demands. Direct quote from Lakers assistant coach Tex Winter: "[O'Neal] left because he couldn't get what he wanted -- a huge pay raise. There was no way ownership could give him what he wanted. Shaq's demands held the franchise hostage, and the way he went about it didn't please the owner too much."

 

[got_nugs]

I want to switch gears here a little bit, as I just had a wild and, frankly, completely original thought.LeBron should probably spend the off-season working on his mid-range jumper. In my estimation as a frequent watcher of basketball and someone who played on a junior high team that only lost 3 games in 2 years, the guy looks to be below average in that department. Or at the very least subpar when compared to other "Kings", including my boy Stacey, who was

I will fight all of you.

This is what happened in a game in the ECF, when the game was tied under 5 min left and Miami was down 1-0. I'm not suggesting anything more than it seems like his mid-range shot was working fine then and the issues in the finals seem to originate north of the shoulders. A few different moves he made on his own.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Wp2hkGY_8

 

[Kev4029]

I find it wholly believable, and in fact quite likely, that an above-average sports franchise would send its star player packing for mouthing something into a camera during the pre-season. I heard the 49ers finally decided to part ways with Joe Montana after he pantamimed being trapped in a box during OTAs. Last straw, I'm sure. Can't blame them, really.

It wasn't for mouthing "something" into a camera. It was for attempting to show up ownership by publicly demanding more money when he was already making $30 million a year. That was when ownership became fed up with him and decided that it was time to build the team around the younger star player rather than extending with an increase the contract of the aging, lazy star player who had just joined the team overweight and out of shape and yet already was making demands. Direct quote from Lakers assistant coach Tex Winter: "[O'Neal] left because he couldn't get what he wanted -- a huge pay raise. There was no way ownership could give him what he wanted. Shaq's demands held the franchise hostage, and the way he went about it didn't please the owner too much."

He never made $30M (or the $34M or whatever you said earlier), his final season in LA he made under $25M.