Losing Fat and Gaining Muscle at the same time (1 Viewer)

[shader]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

 

[Keerock]

Keto/LCHF

 

[MAC_32]

If you're disciplined then you'll be successful as long as you avoid injury. Starting 6 months ahead is a good start, time to adjust through the transition phase so you can really dominate the final 3 months. Issues usually arise when compressing the time period and as a result trying to rush the process.

I wouldn't do anything crazy with the diet at first. Just stay balanced and the hell away from processed foods.

 

[culdeus]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

 

[culdeus]

I've for the most part been doing what you have been attempting and doing it clean and trying several things. Everyone will work differently. I got to the point where even eating 3500 calories a day and lifting I was still cutting weight without a minute of cardio.

You need to decide if you want to get bigger or leaner or stronger first. Are you just looking for a gun show and chest or are you serious about adding mass everywhere including ### and legs.

In general, if you need to cut and put on mass the easiest way to do it is a total body weight routine that you can stick with mixed in with one or two HIIT cardio sessions a week.

Try to take in all your carbs after your lifting and stay light on those the rest of the time. If your roll a keto type diet getting stronger on lifts will be tough. I tried it and it was pretty awful. You can still use the keto principals just outside the lifting times.

 

[eoMMan]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Lolz

 

[culdeus]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Lolz

It's simply not possible to cut 30 pounds of fat and pickup 6 of muscle in 6 months clean. Steroids are really not that bad for you. I don't do them, but I'm willing to bet basically 90% of our wives here do.

 

[eoMMan]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Lolz

It's simply not possible to cut 30 pounds of fat and pickup 6 of muscle in 6 months clean. Steroids are really not that bad for you. I don't do them, but I'm willing to bet basically 90% of our wives here do.

I agree that roids could speed up the process but I think they are a bad suggestion for most people.

I think losing 30 pounds in 6 months....5 pounds a month....is very doable while not losing muscle mass. As keerock mentioned, watch your carbs and make sure you're consuming plenty of protein.

 

[James Daulton]

Unless you've never lifted a weight in your life, it's not possible (without "help") to lose a lot of fat/gain muscle. You can certainly lose fat and define what muscle you have, but you really have to focus on one or the other.

You should keep lifting and average around a 500 calorie deficit for the next six months. You won't lose 30lbs of it, but you will lose a substantial amount of fat while improving your overall musculature look. These days the conventional wisdom seems to be that you should eat at a slight surplus on days you lift and a deficit on the other days.

Good luck.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I find it easier to just stay in shape perpetually.

 

[culdeus]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Lolz

It's simply not possible to cut 30 pounds of fat and pickup 6 of muscle in 6 months clean. Steroids are really not that bad for you. I don't do them, but I'm willing to bet basically 90% of our wives here do.

I agree that roids could speed up the process but I think they are a bad suggestion for most people.

I think losing 30 pounds in 6 months....5 pounds a month....is very doable while not losing muscle mass. As keerock mentioned, watch your carbs and make sure you're consuming plenty of protein.

After trying for years to put on mass while staying fairly low carb I'm starting to buy into the fact that it's for the most part required to take in some carbs at some points if you want to put on mass. If you are putting on mass with carbs you will put on some fat too. So you either have to nail the #### out of your macros every day or just go on the cut/bulk cycle which is way, way easier a lifestyle to manage.

 

[DocHolliday]

It is very difficult to gain muscle while losing fat. It is possible but it is not going to be perfect. You will lose muscle while losing weight.

The good thing is that you are trying to do this slowly so you stand a chance of getting where you want to be at the end. Another way of saying this is that you can reach your end goal in 6 to 9 months but while you are getting there you are going to lose muscle while losing that fat.

 

[Zow]

Paleo should give you your best chance.

 

[culdeus]

Paleo should give you your best chance.

Paleo is so low carb it's hard to gain a ton of mass.

If I had to pick one diet to try to do what he's saying is

Paleo + CarbBackloading

Eat paleo 100% and when you lift heavy take on 80-150g of carbs along with some heavy protein and hope for the best.

 

[James Daulton]

Does Paleo allow for the amazing salted caramel, chocolate cookies I made over the weekend?

 

[culdeus]

Does Paleo allow for the amazing salted caramel, chocolate cookies I made over the weekend?

The beauty of backloading is you can eat a double stuffed bacon wrapped pizza. The quality of the food is really optional. I doubt that approach but it seems to work.

 

[Timmay]

Roids, roids and more roids. If you can't wipe your own butt, its not because you are too big, its because you aren't taking enough roids. If you have the same amount of backne as a 14 year old boy hitting puberty, its not because of the roids, its because you aren't taking enough roids. If you start getting c-cup breasts, its not because of the roids, its because you aren't taking enough roids.

Honestly it probably isn't possible to achieve your goal in that little amount of time. Eat clean and work out, simple as that. Plenty of protein, fruits and veggies, no processed foods, no soft drinks, no fast food.

 

[shader]

Ok, so the consensus is to go on a cut/bulk cycle, meaning I need to cut for the next few months and then bulk. At that rate, i won't see significant muscle gains, but lets not kid myself. I'm not going to get a lot of muscle in a few months. It takes years.

 

[shader]

I've for the most part been doing what you have been attempting and doing it clean and trying several things. Everyone will work differently. I got to the point where even eating 3500 calories a day and lifting I was still cutting weight without a minute of cardio.

You need to decide if you want to get bigger or leaner or stronger first. Are you just looking for a gun show and chest or are you serious about adding mass everywhere including ### and legs.

In general, if you need to cut and put on mass the easiest way to do it is a total body weight routine that you can stick with mixed in with one or two HIIT cardio sessions a week.

Try to take in all your carbs after your lifting and stay light on those the rest of the time. If your roll a keto type diet getting stronger on lifts will be tough. I tried it and it was pretty awful. You can still use the keto principals just outside the lifting times.

I had a "weight-lifting guru" that I worked with that told me I needed to eat slow carbs an hour before I worked out, and then I had a magic window of an hour after I worked out where I could pound "bad carbs". Of course, like with many weight lifters, i think the reason they are in good shape is that they live in the gym, not that their advice is necessarily legit.

I find it interesting that you advocate carbs after lifting with helping strength gains. I suppose those carbs carry over to the next weight-lifting session? I would think you'd want to eat some carbs a little bit before the workout. If you have any more info/thoughts on this, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Keerock]

Ok, so the consensus is to go on a cut/bulk cycle, meaning I need to cut for the next few months and then bulk. At that rate, i won't see significant muscle gains, but lets not kid myself. I'm not going to get a lot of muscle in a few months. It takes years.

Ding!

 

[shader]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Not really. I suppose the 30/6 might be a bit too much. Maybe 20/4, 20/2, or even 30/2 would be more realistic.

 

[culdeus]

I've for the most part been doing what you have been attempting and doing it clean and trying several things. Everyone will work differently. I got to the point where even eating 3500 calories a day and lifting I was still cutting weight without a minute of cardio.

You need to decide if you want to get bigger or leaner or stronger first. Are you just looking for a gun show and chest or are you serious about adding mass everywhere including ### and legs.

In general, if you need to cut and put on mass the easiest way to do it is a total body weight routine that you can stick with mixed in with one or two HIIT cardio sessions a week.

Try to take in all your carbs after your lifting and stay light on those the rest of the time. If your roll a keto type diet getting stronger on lifts will be tough. I tried it and it was pretty awful. You can still use the keto principals just outside the lifting times.

I had a "weight-lifting guru" that I worked with that told me I needed to eat slow carbs an hour before I worked out, and then I had a magic window of an hour after I worked out where I could pound "bad carbs". Of course, like with many weight lifters, i think the reason they are in good shape is that they live in the gym, not that their advice is necessarily legit.

I find it interesting that you advocate carbs after lifting with helping strength gains. I suppose those carbs carry over to the next weight-lifting session? I would think you'd want to eat some carbs a little bit before the workout. If you have any more info/thoughts on this, I'd appreciate it.

No, the concept is that you make a insulin response when your muscles are glycogen starved so all the sugar goes to feed your muscles and does not get stored as fat.

If you want to risk dying then you can get over the counter insulin and force the issue yourself.

the generally approved timing (Without injecting insulin mind you) Is you start your backload at the halfway point in your workout and be done backloading no more than 1 hr after you stop lifting.

 

[Wrigley]

I'm a big fan of Tim Ferris

Give the 4 hour body a look.

 

[shader]

I've for the most part been doing what you have been attempting and doing it clean and trying several things. Everyone will work differently. I got to the point where even eating 3500 calories a day and lifting I was still cutting weight without a minute of cardio.

You need to decide if you want to get bigger or leaner or stronger first. Are you just looking for a gun show and chest or are you serious about adding mass everywhere including ### and legs.

In general, if you need to cut and put on mass the easiest way to do it is a total body weight routine that you can stick with mixed in with one or two HIIT cardio sessions a week.

Try to take in all your carbs after your lifting and stay light on those the rest of the time. If your roll a keto type diet getting stronger on lifts will be tough. I tried it and it was pretty awful. You can still use the keto principals just outside the lifting times.

I had a "weight-lifting guru" that I worked with that told me I needed to eat slow carbs an hour before I worked out, and then I had a magic window of an hour after I worked out where I could pound "bad carbs". Of course, like with many weight lifters, i think the reason they are in good shape is that they live in the gym, not that their advice is necessarily legit.

I find it interesting that you advocate carbs after lifting with helping strength gains. I suppose those carbs carry over to the next weight-lifting session? I would think you'd want to eat some carbs a little bit before the workout. If you have any more info/thoughts on this, I'd appreciate it.

No, the concept is that you make a insulin response when your muscles are glycogen starved so all the sugar goes to feed your muscles and does not get stored as fat.

If you want to risk dying then you can get over the counter insulin and force the issue yourself.

the generally approved timing (Without injecting insulin mind you) Is you start your backload at the halfway point in your workout and be done backloading no more than 1 hr after you stop lifting.

makes sense. So it's not for increased performance benefit during the workout, it's to actually build the muscle and make it stronger.

Next question: How many G's of carbs do you consider to be adequate for the post-workout meal?

 

[Sabertooth]

If you're disciplined then you'll be successful as long as you avoid injury. Starting 6 months ahead is a good start, time to adjust through the transition phase so you can really dominate the final 3 months. Issues usually arise when compressing the time period and as a result trying to rush the process.

I wouldn't do anything crazy with the diet at first. Just stay balanced and the hell away from processed foods.

What do you mean by processed food? All food is processed right?

 

[shader]

I'm a big fan of Tim Ferris

Give the 4 hour body a look.

Hmm..I have it in my room right now and haven't cracked it open, as a friend had it. Tons of beans, right?

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm a big fan of Tim Ferris

Give the 4 hour body a look.

You have a hot sister in law. Which means your wife must be hot. Which in turn means you must be hot. I'll give it a look.

 

[Wrigley]

I'm a big fan of Tim Ferris

Give the 4 hour body a look.

Hmm..I have it in my room right now and haven't cracked it open, as a friend had it. Tons of beans, right?

Tons? Nah, but they are part of the diet

Very interesting stuff

 

[culdeus]

I've for the most part been doing what you have been attempting and doing it clean and trying several things. Everyone will work differently. I got to the point where even eating 3500 calories a day and lifting I was still cutting weight without a minute of cardio.

You need to decide if you want to get bigger or leaner or stronger first. Are you just looking for a gun show and chest or are you serious about adding mass everywhere including ### and legs.

In general, if you need to cut and put on mass the easiest way to do it is a total body weight routine that you can stick with mixed in with one or two HIIT cardio sessions a week.

Try to take in all your carbs after your lifting and stay light on those the rest of the time. If your roll a keto type diet getting stronger on lifts will be tough. I tried it and it was pretty awful. You can still use the keto principals just outside the lifting times.

I had a "weight-lifting guru" that I worked with that told me I needed to eat slow carbs an hour before I worked out, and then I had a magic window of an hour after I worked out where I could pound "bad carbs". Of course, like with many weight lifters, i think the reason they are in good shape is that they live in the gym, not that their advice is necessarily legit.

I find it interesting that you advocate carbs after lifting with helping strength gains. I suppose those carbs carry over to the next weight-lifting session? I would think you'd want to eat some carbs a little bit before the workout. If you have any more info/thoughts on this, I'd appreciate it.

No, the concept is that you make a insulin response when your muscles are glycogen starved so all the sugar goes to feed your muscles and does not get stored as fat.

If you want to risk dying then you can get over the counter insulin and force the issue yourself.

the generally approved timing (Without injecting insulin mind you) Is you start your backload at the halfway point in your workout and be done backloading no more than 1 hr after you stop lifting.

makes sense. So it's not for increased performance benefit during the workout, it's to actually build the muscle and make it stronger.

Next question: How many G's of carbs do you consider to be adequate for the post-workout meal?

TBH I'm still messing with that number. I would consider 1g per bodyweight to be in the ball park. Nobody has really done long term stuff to help set this number yet. It's gonna vary alot based on how fasted you were coming in and other factors.

 

[Sabertooth]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

I'm in a similar boat. I would like to set up a challenge between us. I don't much like you on the boards . I am 5'7" 210lbs of goo. I want to be 5'7, 170 lbs of muscle. I assume I am big boned but who the #### knows at this point. I find competition brings out the best and worst in us.

 

[shader]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

I'm in a similar boat. I would like to set up a challenge between us. I don't much like you on the boards . I am 5'7" 210lbs of goo. I want to be 5'7, 170 lbs of muscle. I assume I am big boned but who the #### knows at this point. I find competition brings out the best and worst in us.

I'm sorry to offend, but I definitely am in for a challenge. I'm always looking for a new arch nemesis.

 

[shader]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

I'm in a similar boat. I would like to set up a challenge between us. I don't much like you on the boards . I am 5'7" 210lbs of goo. I want to be 5'7, 170 lbs of muscle. I assume I am big boned but who the #### knows at this point. I find competition brings out the best and worst in us.

I'm sorry to offend, but I definitely am in for a challenge. I'm always looking for a new arch nemesis.

For the record, i am 5'11 210. I recently lost 20 pounds just watching my calories, but have gained about 5-6 back in the last few weeks.

Really wanting to finish the job.

I think I'm going to read the Tim Ferris book tonight and then decide on that or the no-carbs-except-after-workout diet.

 

[Sabertooth]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

I'm in a similar boat. I would like to set up a challenge between us. I don't much like you on the boards . I am 5'7" 210lbs of goo. I want to be 5'7, 170 lbs of muscle. I assume I am big boned but who the #### knows at this point. I find competition brings out the best and worst in us.

I'm sorry to offend, but I definitely am in for a challenge. I'm always looking for a new arch nemesis.

I've always liked the idea of nemisises? Nemisi? Nemisees? Whatever.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My answer is... don't do it.

You will inhibit either your gains or your weight loss, and quite possibly both, for the amount of effort and time you put in.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

If you're disciplined then you'll be successful as long as you avoid injury. Starting 6 months ahead is a good start, time to adjust through the transition phase so you can really dominate the final 3 months. Issues usually arise when compressing the time period and as a result trying to rush the process.

I wouldn't do anything crazy with the diet at first. Just stay balanced and the hell away from processed foods.

What do you mean by processed food? All food is processed right?

Everyone's definition is a little different, but my general rule of thumb is this: Everything in the list of ingredients should be something that, given the right climate and earth, I should be able to either grow, raise, farm, or catch it.

 

[James Daulton]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

I'm in a similar boat. I would like to set up a challenge between us. I don't much like you on the boards . I am 5'7" 210lbs of goo. I want to be 5'7, 170 lbs of muscle. I assume I am big boned but who the #### knows at this point. I find competition brings out the best and worst in us.

I'm sorry to offend, but I definitely am in for a challenge. I'm always looking for a new arch nemesis.

I've always liked the idea of nemisises? Nemisi? Nemisees? Whatever.

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

I'm in a similar boat. I would like to set up a challenge between us. I don't much like you on the boards . I am 5'7" 210lbs of goo. I want to be 5'7, 170 lbs of muscle. I assume I am big boned but who the #### knows at this point. I find competition brings out the best and worst in us.

Board fight!

 

[Sabertooth]

It's on. We are currently in negotiations to see how exactly we set up the beginning, tracking and eventually the winner.

Are there any good apps to set this up? What criteria should we use to determine a winner? I thought about some weightlifting benchmarks. But I'm going to be home using a bowflex.

Or is the winner just the biggest improvement in physical appearance? Meaning before and after pic ***gulp**

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Paleo is so low carb it's hard to gain a ton of mass.

Paleo is consistent with fairly low carb (but probably not ketogenic) to extremely high carb to anything in between.

 

[culdeus]

It's on. We are currently in negotiations to see how exactly we set up the beginning, tracking and eventually the winner.

Are there any good apps to set this up? What criteria should we use to determine a winner? I thought about some weightlifting benchmarks. But I'm going to be home using a bowflex.

Or is the winner just the biggest improvement in physical appearance? Meaning before and after pic ***gulp**

If you both have access to a bod pod location near you this is the most clear cut data neutral way to accomplish what you want.

 

[Zow]

It's on. We are currently in negotiations to see how exactly we set up the beginning, tracking and eventually the winner.

Are there any good apps to set this up? What criteria should we use to determine a winner? I thought about some weightlifting benchmarks. But I'm going to be home using a bowflex.

Or is the winner just the biggest improvement in physical appearance? Meaning before and after pic ***gulp**

Funny, my boss and I basically just made this bet. Here are our terms.

1. 1k antie.

2. First person to lose 30 lbs. from initial weight wins 1k.

3. If second person reaches 30 lbs. mark within 14 days, $500 returned.

4. Winner weighs in six months later. If all weight gained back, all winnings returned. If >14 lbs. gained back then half returned.

5. Must consume 1200 calories/day as a minimum.

6. No weight loss/diet pills or enhancers. Work out supplements okay.

7. Weigh-ins 3x/week first thing upon waking up. Person may go to the bathroom but cannot do any other physical activity before weighing in.

Been doing this for 10 days. So far I'm in the lead as I'm down 6 lbs. and he's down 1 lbs. I've been doing it by trying to follow paleo (couple of slips here and there). He's cutting calories and actually working out doing some cardio (previously he really hadn't worked out for awhile). Due to my work hours and life commitments I really haven't changed how I exercise but am trying to do some form of cardio everyday.

 

[James Daulton]

It's on. We are currently in negotiations to see how exactly we set up the beginning, tracking and eventually the winner.

Are there any good apps to set this up? What criteria should we use to determine a winner? I thought about some weightlifting benchmarks. But I'm going to be home using a bowflex.

Or is the winner just the biggest improvement in physical appearance? Meaning before and after pic ***gulp**

Funny, my boss and I basically just made this bet. Here are our terms.

1. 1k antie.

2. First person to lose 30 lbs. from initial weight wins 1k.

3. If second person reaches 30 lbs. mark within 14 days, $500 returned.

4. Winner weighs in six months later. If all weight gained back, all winnings returned. If >14 lbs. gained back then half returned.

5. Must consume 1200 calories/day as a minimum.

6. No weight loss/diet pills or enhancers. Work out supplements okay.

7. Weigh-ins 3x/week first thing upon waking up. Person may go to the bathroom but cannot do any other physical activity before weighing in.

Been doing this for 10 days. So far I'm in the lead as I'm down 6 lbs. and he's down 1 lbs. I've been doing it by trying to follow paleo (couple of slips here and there). He's cutting calories and actually working out doing some cardio (previously he really hadn't worked out for awhile). Due to my work hours and life commitments I really haven't changed how I exercise but am trying to do some form of cardio everyday.

Jesus, leave it to some lawyers to #### up a perfectly good weight loss challenge...

 

[LAUNCH]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Lolz

It's simply not possible to cut 30 pounds of fat and pickup 6 of muscle in 6 months clean. Steroids are really not that bad for you. I don't do them, but I'm willing to bet basically 90% of our wives here do.

If you lost 4lbs a week you could be down the 30lbs in 2 months. That would leave you 4 months to pick up 6 lbs. I would imagine that a couple of rounds of p90x or something equivalent would get you the look, even if it wasn't the arbitrary numbers.

 

[MAC_32]

If you're disciplined then you'll be successful as long as you avoid injury. Starting 6 months ahead is a good start, time to adjust through the transition phase so you can really dominate the final 3 months. Issues usually arise when compressing the time period and as a result trying to rush the process.

I wouldn't do anything crazy with the diet at first. Just stay balanced and the hell away from processed foods.

What do you mean by processed food? All food is processed right?

Everyone's definition is a little different, but my general rule of thumb is this: Everything in the list of ingredients should be something that, given the right climate and earth, I should be able to either grow, raise, farm, or catch it.

I might steal that, thanks

 

[Sabertooth]

It's on. We are currently in negotiations to see how exactly we set up the beginning, tracking and eventually the winner.

Are there any good apps to set this up? What criteria should we use to determine a winner? I thought about some weightlifting benchmarks. But I'm going to be home using a bowflex.

Or is the winner just the biggest improvement in physical appearance? Meaning before and after pic ***gulp**

If you both have access to a bod pod location near you this is the most clear cut data neutral way to accomplish what you want.

We barely have hospitals up here on the edge of the planet in the U.P. Closest bod pod is in Green Bay.

 

[Sabertooth]

How difficult is it? Body builders seem to go through "bulking" and "cutting" stages. But I'm no body-builder.

The problem is, if you eat low calorie, you can lose muscle mass, right?

My goal is to lose about 30 pounds of fat over the next 6 months, while gaining muscle. In doing the research, I'm all set on the workout aspect of this plan. I know it will require adequate fuel, but I also want to shed fat, while gaining muscle mass.

So I was thinking about eating my body weight in protein, and then splitting the rest between fats/carbs to a diet of 1800 calories. Sustainable? Good idea? Any tips would be appreciated. Got a big cruise in 6 months and I want to get started now before it's too late.

Are you willing to take steroids? It's the only way to do this. HGH with Andro and lift heavy 5x a week with low carb. If you are willing to drop a few grand Deca is a really strong roid that will get you on track quick.

Lolz

It's simply not possible to cut 30 pounds of fat and pickup 6 of muscle in 6 months clean. Steroids are really not that bad for you. I don't do them, but I'm willing to bet basically 90% of our wives here do.

If you lost 4lbs a week you could be down the 30lbs in 2 months. That would leave you 4 months to pick up 6 lbs. I would imagine that a couple of rounds of p90x or something equivalent would get you the look, even if it wasn't the arbitrary numbers.

You say 4 lbs per week like that's nothing. Nothing I've ever done has dropped me 4/week. Even ketosis drops me about 3 tops.

 

[MAC_32]

4 lbs/week is possible, but unless you're obese it's not healthy. 5 lbs/month would be a good goal if you want to lose some weight.

 

[Quez]

Do squats at the minimum 2x a week. It's an anarobic & aerobic exercise.

 

[Quez]

It's on. We are currently in negotiations to see how exactly we set up the beginning, tracking and eventually the winner.

Are there any good apps to set this up? What criteria should we use to determine a winner? I thought about some weightlifting benchmarks. But I'm going to be home using a bowflex.

Or is the winner just the biggest improvement in physical appearance? Meaning before and after pic ***gulp**

Funny, my boss and I basically just made this bet. Here are our terms. 1. 1k antie.

2. First person to lose 30 lbs. from initial weight wins 1k.

3. If second person reaches 30 lbs. mark within 14 days, $500 returned.

4. Winner weighs in six months later. If all weight gained back, all winnings returned. If >14 lbs. gained back then half returned.

5. Must consume 1200 calories/day as a minimum.

6. No weight loss/diet pills or enhancers. Work out supplements okay.

7. Weigh-ins 3x/week first thing upon waking up. Person may go to the bathroom but cannot do any other physical activity before weighing in.

Been doing this for 10 days. So far I'm in the lead as I'm down 6 lbs. and he's down 1 lbs. I've been doing it by trying to follow paleo (couple of slips here and there). He's cutting calories and actually working out doing some cardio (previously he really hadn't worked out for awhile). Due to my work hours and life commitments I really haven't changed how I exercise but am trying to do some form of cardio everyday.

Letting your boss win is probably the smart play here. Go grab a donut.

 

[flysack]

Wouldn't you want to bulk first, then cut? Bulk to gain mass, cut to trim the fat while keeping as much muscle as possible.

FWIW I am 5.8", 160 lbs. I just finished a bulk/cut cycle where I ate like mad (clean foods, of course) and lifted 4 days a week with 1 day of HIIT. This shot me up from 155lb to 165. Then I did 3 weeks of cutting, consisting of 3 days lifting and 3 days of hardcore HIIT. I dropped to 160lbs, but flattened my gut and grew defined.

Now I'm going to bulk again. This time it's a 6 day lifting program with only 1 HIIT (might have to double up at the gym one day so I can devote one day to pure rest).

I posted my diet on Otis' thread. Here's what I ate yesterday -

1. Breakfast #1 (6am) - bowl of oatmeal, coffee
2. Breakfast #2 (10am) - bowl of brown rice w/ peas, mushroom, and beef chunks, soy latte
3. Soy latte #2 (it was a rough morning)
4. Pre-workout snack - Quest bar
5. Post-workout snack - Muscle milk, handful of almonds & cashews
6. Lunch (3pm) - generous slices of ham and turkey on rye.
7. Dinner #1 (5:30pm) - Another bowl of brown rice w/peas, mushroom, and beef chunks, tall glass of 1% milk
8. Dinner #2 (7:30pm) - Three egg omelet with spinach, mushrooms, and some cheese. Tall glass of 1% milk

I don't count calories. Maybe I should, but I just guestimate instead and eat clean and never overeat in one sitting. Instead I space it out throughout the day.

I'm hoping to gain 7-10 lbs at the end of the bulk, and retain 5-7 lbs after the cut. This should bring me to middle June when it's warm enough to go cliff jumping.

ETA: I have a lot of local options for animal products. So all the eggs, ham, turkey, and beef come from local farms that raise their animals both ethically and without pumping hormones and antibiotics into them. All grass-fed.

ETA II: I don't go too crazy with the supplements. I rely on Animal Paks (a prepackage collection of vitamins and decent BCAAs) as well as take 3grams of glutamine (another BCAA) a day. If I could stomach it, I'd use creatine as well because it produces decent results, but that stuff just bloats my stomach and gives me mad gas. I did not inherit a strong digestive system.

 

[flysack]

The hardest part for me is going with no booze. Alcohol is loaded with carbs and lowers your metabolism, which is terrible for a 42 year old guy like me, even a high motor 42 year old guy.

Me misses beer lots. :(