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luck owners....I think its time to panic (1 Viewer)
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Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. Wayne was such a huge loss so I can give a quarter there but overall it just makes absolutely no sense at all to try to be something that is counter to what your strenght is. There is a reason that some teams that rely on the strenght of Rodgers and Brees and Brady perform the way they do.domvin said:
This is, to me, akin to when teams try to mak the switch from the 4-3 to 3-4 and they don't have the athletes to support it and they fail miserably. Everyone knows why and then you see the team go out and draft all these support pieces but the growing pain is terrible.
But in a case like this, WHY do you want to be a smash mouth team when you have the best QB prospect, arguably, since Peyton Manning? Why are they so dead set on emphasizing their weaknesses?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Unless something crazy happens in the next month, if the Luck owner is talking like the above in your dynasty league, buy now. It's your last chance.Andy Dufresne said:
Sophomore QB mining through a season with a poor o line, run game, and the only WR's with > 1 year of experience are on IR and can't catch the ball.
I knew Wayne meant a lot to this offense - more than most believed, but it was even more than I imagined.
His career is going to be littered with 300/3 games and he runs too. You want that on your team.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Rolled with McCown this week. Guy has been awful for the last month. He won't see my lineup in the playoffs.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
To be clear, I think Luck has the kind of upside you're talking about here. But then, I think Aikman did too.
I'm trying to say that if Indy continues to try to do what they're doing in that offense that it will limit Lucks' chances.
Hopefully the Colts realize Hamilton is in over his head and bring in an NFL-level coordinator.
jurb26
Footballguy
Lots of people seem to be bashing Hamilton and I'm not sure that's a very fair assessment. This team lost their #1 WR and TE. They already had holes on the oline and that seems to have gotten worse. Not surprising given Allen was a very good blocking TE as well as receiver. On top of that its clear defenses don't respect the Indy WRs and play them aggressively.
I think the loss of Allen was huge for this team, personally. Adding Wayne to that was crippling. Allen will be back next year. Wayne's future is a bit uncertain. I hope Indy is able to address oline in FA this offseason and WR via the draft. They have enormous needs at both.
I think the loss of Allen was huge for this team, personally. Adding Wayne to that was crippling. Allen will be back next year. Wayne's future is a bit uncertain. I hope Indy is able to address oline in FA this offseason and WR via the draft. They have enormous needs at both.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
This.
He does not have a safety blanket on this team. He used to rely and trust on Wayne to make the play and be where he is supposed to be. Ty Hilton has all sorts of electric play making ability but he is far from a WR 1 in the NFL. He is too small and not consistent enough or physical enough to get proper seperation on those big downs. DHB should not be a starting NFL WR. I cringe when the ball is thrown his way. I don't know how they continue to trot him out there to drop balls. Fleener finally looks to be developing a little which is nice, but he is not someone you can lean on yet at all. Brazil looked awful with increased snaps this week. Just an all around mess recieving the ball. The only guy that has WR 1 potential is Da'rick Rogers who joined the team late and is apparently not a quick study which seems to be holding him back. He did draw a 30 yard PI call yesterday on his extremely limited work. He was maybe out there a few times and that was the only time the ball was thrown his way.
On top of all that receiving mess you have an O line that is bottom 3 in the NFL, an offensive coordinator who is a rookie to the NFL game and appears clueless to make appropriate adjustments.
The beauty of being a below average team but having a guy like Luck on your team is he has that greatness about him and you can never count Indy out. Even with all odds stacked against him weekly this team is 8 and 4. Remember this is a team that has beat Denver and Seattle this year (although they still had Wayne). They have many holes that make this team one and done in the playoffs most likely but there are plenty of teams and franchises that would love to be sitting at 8 and 4 right now.
Luck is still a top 3 pick in all dynasty formats. There are brighter days ahead for him fantasy wise even this year, but I get how many would not be starting him for the rest of this year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
EJ Manuel here. Undecided on next week. I started Manuel because I loved the matchup while Luck's wasn't all that great, despite Luck getting me to the playoffs this seemed like an easy decision...for one week.. EJ's matchup isn't as great next week, figured I'd be more comfortable with Luck since Cincy's D is down with the loss of Atkins and Hall, but they slowed down a pretty good Charges offense. Not as confident anymore.
It depends on the league, but Luck owner's still around may serve themselves well to scour waivers. A great matchup with a shaky QB may be the right play.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Luck is stuck:
- with a poor receiver corps, except for Hilton.
- no Allen.
- a susceptible offensive line.
- a defense that can be beat like a drum by the likes of the Rams' offense.
- with a poor receiver corps, except for Hilton.
- no Allen.
- a susceptible offensive line.
- a defense that can be beat like a drum by the likes of the Rams' offense.
Luck is a primo, franchise QB, but the Colts' front office has to figure out the receiver issue for the future.
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Was under the assumption that I was stuck with Luck, but just realized that Cutler was still out there on the WW and put a claim in. No way I can start him this week with the game on MNF, but I'll give him a long, hard look for Week 15. His schedule is marginally better than Luck's ROS (@CLE/@PHI vs Hou/@KC), and he clearly has better weapons, but it's still Jay Freakin' Cutler we're talking about.
need2know
Footballguy
I just caught a huge break.
I was able to pickup rivers off waivers. Can't believe he was dropped and also can't believe no one else picked him up. Am I missing something? Rivers looks like a much better option than luck going forward. Got a bye this week but Rivers is @ den and oak in weeks 15, 16 while luck has hou at home and kc on the road.
Anyone who has watched the colts the past few weeks knows how bad the offense has looked, sd ain't den or the the Saints but they are way better on offense than the Colts
need2know
Footballguy
Cutler was my second choice if I did not get rivers. If he's playing, he's far better than luck as well
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
He has the worst set of hands I can ever remember seeing on an NFL WR. 27 catches on 61 targets! Good Lord, how far down the bottom of the barrel do you have to scrape if you're still throwing to a guy with those stats?
As for Luck, if you're talking ROS, I think he's basically replacement-level at this point. Still quite a bit above the typical WW fodder, but with Indy's upcoming matchups you're no more likely to win your playoff games with him in your lineup than you are with Big Ben, Dalton, or Tannehill IMO.
Dynasty? Man, I'd struggle to label him a top 3 FF pick, even though I think he's got an incredibly bright future in the NFL. Cam Newton and Matt Stafford are already putting up the kind of consistent top-5 numbers that you'd be hoping Luck would produce - and, oh, by the way, are only 24 and 25 respectively.
Don't totally disagree, though it's worth pointing out that Luck is much further along by the end of his second year than Stafford was. It wasn't until Year 3 that Stafford really busted out.
I don't play in any keeper leagues, so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I think you have to separate out Luck's keeper value in the abstract vs specific circumstances. If the question is do I think Andrew Luck will eventually become an elite Top 5 QB, the answer is absolutely yes. If the question is whether he's worth keeping next year, that's a much more open question (and obviously depends on your league's rules). On the one hand, he'll continue to get better, as will Hilton/Fleener/Allen, and the running game certainly can't get worse. On the other, the o-line is unlikely to turn around that quickly, and it's not entirely clear whether Wayne will go back to being exactly what he was coming off major surgery at age 35.
Just ran some numbers. For the season, Luck has averaged 14.9 PPG to Cutler's 10.7 (using my league's somewhat QB-unfriendly stats). But if you throw out the games where Cutler left early for injury, his average goes up to 14.5. Meanwhile, up through the Houston game, Luck was averaging 16.9, and in the four games since then has been at 11.7.
So yeah, if Cutler is back to what he was, he's clearly a better option than Luck. (Man, it just feels weird to type that!)
wlwiles
Footballguy
I squeaked into the last playoff spot (no thanks to Luck), and have picked up Flacco to use for the next two weeks against Minnesota and Detroit. If i manage to win those two somehow and make the championship in Week 15, I'll probably turn to the waiver wire again for one week of magic.
Sake-Bombers
Footballguy
Apologies if this isn't helpful to anyone, but seems like it provides context to other owners. After rolling Luck all year, I am thinking of starting Dalton (vs Ind) over him this week for the playoffs. Luck's just been brutal since Wayne went down.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I rolled with McCown last week, going with Palmer this week... Luck is just too risky - How many TDs has he thrown in the last month? I'm not in the mood to search, but I'd guess 2 or 3 and be shocked if it was more.
need2know
Footballguy
He had one great game vs Houston where he had 3 tds to hilton. But in that game he was under 50 % completion and hit on a couple bombs. I think he's had 1 -2 other tds. 1 rushing. So like 6 total tds in 5 games and pretty poor yardage too. He gets like 20 -50 yards rushing which helps but it's past time to look for alternatives. So glad I got rivers. .. although it would not surprise me to see luck get good stats again it does not seem probable...
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I think the net net here is that just about every Luck owner agrees there are better options.
fbelange
Footballguy
I've rolled with Luck all year and sadly, I think I agree. Its week 1 of my playoffs and its time to part ways.
Luckily, I've rostered Matt Ryan all year just in case.
Ryan, however, is in a slump of his own. Same song and dance. Star WR1 goes down and there go the stats... Thing is, Luck seems to be leveling out and Ryan seems to be climbing out of the hole here... esp. with Roddy getting healthy. What do you guys think about Matt Ryan or Andrew Luck?
C Palmer or R Fitzpatrick off the wire(well, they're on mine) seem like stale, but possible options for others seeking replacement. Thoughts?
Luckily, I've rostered Matt Ryan all year just in case.
Ryan, however, is in a slump of his own. Same song and dance. Star WR1 goes down and there go the stats... Thing is, Luck seems to be leveling out and Ryan seems to be climbing out of the hole here... esp. with Roddy getting healthy. What do you guys think about Matt Ryan or Andrew Luck?
C Palmer or R Fitzpatrick off the wire(well, they're on mine) seem like stale, but possible options for others seeking replacement. Thoughts?
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Like Matty Ice's match-up with GB this weekend (though keep an eye on the weather forecast).
TheFanatic
Footballguy
So Luck is now Sam Bradford? So QB's need weapons now? In the many Bradford threads, that's just homer excuse making.
As for the Luck owners, I would be worried. The truth is, he can't do it all, and without Wayne or a running game, he's not very good, but then again, nobody would be with Donald Brown at RB and those WR's without Wayne...
need2know
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Cincinnati has played great defense at home. Luck could be in for a long day tomorrow.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Not sure what a net net is, but yeah every luck owner is nervous and looking for other options
Btw, on a side note, you know Ron burgundy wasn't the one to use sex panther, right? (Your interests)
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I'm matched up against Luck and own Hilton. Thinking of starting him seeing as if Luck does have a big day, you have to think much of that will go through Hilton. But that's a whole other conversation on hedging and risk vs. rewared.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Good addition to the thread "Doc" - you're very mature for a man who claims to be a doctor... Not small and petty one bit.
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5Rings
Lurker
No way Luck is a caretaker or game manager like Troy. Luck is more like a Joe who elevates his team.
I agree he's a bad option, but in my 16-teamer, there isn't anything better (we're talking Schaub, Campbell, McGloin or Henne). Picked up Cutler hoping he'd make it back this week, but no dice. Which sucks even more because I'll probably have to bench him for his first start to make sure he's all the way back. So at least until Championship Week, I'm likely holding my nose and hoping for the best from Luck.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
To add to the recent suckitude of Luckitude. The weather is not pointing in his direction either.
Thanks to BustedKnuckles in the weather thread for the following.
Colts at Bengals: Snow before 2pm, then freezing rain and sleet between 2pm and 4pm, then rain or freezing rain after 4pm. High near 31. East wind 8 to 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.
Defense that performs really well at home... check
Freezing rain... check
Windy conditions... check
Struggling offense with no running game... check
Thanks to BustedKnuckles in the weather thread for the following.
Colts at Bengals: Snow before 2pm, then freezing rain and sleet between 2pm and 4pm, then rain or freezing rain after 4pm. High near 31. East wind 8 to 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.
Defense that performs really well at home... check
Freezing rain... check
Windy conditions... check
Struggling offense with no running game... check
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I really wasn't sure if a net net was something I didn't know about, some kind of internet slang, I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Nor was I when I was pointing out your interests. You could easily change it to "I have many leather bound books" or something like that.But it always pays off to assume the worst from people. Sheesh
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm in the same situation. I don't want to play cutler next week without seeing how he does when back. However, lucks week 15 matchup (HOU) isn't really that bad.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Your response indicates you understand what I am talking about, as I am fairly certain others do too. Furthermore, not really understanding what Paul Rudd or Will Ferrell have to do with Andrew Luck.
For a doctor who in his own words has told me about his numerous publications & advanced degrees, this seems a little petty.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Whatever man, I meant what I said
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
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need2know
Footballguy
I am kind of tempted to play luck vs that crappy hou team at home. Or rivers in a shootout vs manning. Both good options really
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Luck
Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Ryan
Pick two.
Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Ryan
Pick two.
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