Making Shark Pool Better (Was: "Shark pool is even more unreadable than ever. Rant.") (1 Viewer)

[culdeus]

But PLEASE let's keep the NFL talk in the Shark Pool. I don't want to do an NFL thread here and pull you good posters out of that forum. We need you there for good NFL talk.

I mean can we be here for bad NFL talk, as an example the Romo thread was "bad" and didn't have a place in the Shark Pool but seemed relevant here for the lulz as well as content.

 

[rockaction]

That's where differ

Very cool. No problem whatsoever about that.

I don't find the SP unreadable. You just have to tune out certain things. I think tolerance in the FFA is low for that type of stuff, and they wind up not posting because of it, which is too bad because they'd be valuable posters. One of threads (the Bills thread) has valuable FFA posters with real insight into the team. Same with the Ravens. Those are the models you want for the SP, in my opinion.

I see what you're saying. I can't really disagree.

 

[The Frankman]

I just saw this thread now, so I'll respond:

No, I also don't work for Rotoworld. I've been doing this for awhile where I tend to post all Roto performance pieces the 1st week of the season and then less the next week (only notable performances from the more fantasy relevant players). I apologize if getting an update on the lesser relevant guys all at once Sunday confused people, Week 2 will definitely be different.

 

[msudaisy26]

Are we really wasting time bitching about people wasting our time?

 

[Dickies]

Are we really wasting time bitching about people wasting our time?

You must be new here.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I just saw this thread now, so I'll respond:

No, I also don't work for Rotoworld. I've been doing this for awhile where I tend to post all Roto performance pieces the 1st week of the season and then less the next week (only notable performances from the more fantasy relevant players). I apologize if getting an update on the lesser relevant guys all at once Sunday confused people, Week 2 will definitely be different.

Thanks @The Frankman I think what we talked about in raising the bar for newsworthiness will be great. Posting 10 or so of the most notable blurbs will be great. Thanks for the contributions there.

Also, I'd love for all the folks here to help make the Shark Pool better. It's easy to complain. I'd love for you to be part of the solution and continue to contribute quality content there. Any forum is as good as the contributors. Thanks.

 

[The Commish]

To me, the value of the Shark Pool is harder to find stats and/or insightful commentary.

This is me. When it turned into just another place to get the stats and "look at me and my predictions" I just didn't go back. If I wanted to hear what Rotoworld had to say, I'd go to their site and read their nonsense. Not much different than those who just post comments from twitter here. If I wanted to read that stuff, I'd go to twitter. Normally I slide right passed that stuff, but when it's the majority of posts in a particular thread, it's tough to do. Just easier to stay away. SP was pretty good back in the day when people were bringing unique perspectives. Now, it's just an aggregator with a few seeing who can be quickest to post something from somewhere else first.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What is going on in there with all the player threads on auto bump? You can't find team threads or hawk screech or whatever raider is on about this year.

What kind of content would you like to see in the Shark Pool @culdeus that would make it more readable?

 

[FairWarning]

I think the better question would be what people want to see.

Lots of discussion is very player specific.

But game threads are always fun too even though they obviously fade after the game.

What format would you folks like?

I don’t have a problem with it per se, but maybe a section dedicated to each game, then it’s not lost.

 

[culdeus]

What is going on in there with all the player threads on auto bump? You can't find team threads or hawk screech or whatever raider is on about this year.

What kind of content would you like to see in the Shark Pool @culdeus that would make it more readable?

It's not really more, it's less. I mean would have liked to be able to find a few team threads in the mix. Often times you find more context with the fans of a team than fans of a player.

Feel like you get less engagement this way, maybe not. Feel like individual player threads could be in their own sub forum. Not my board.

Maybe with the new software it's not all that important to have the scroll by organization it once did, dunno. I'm old.

 

[Dwayne Hoover]

I think the better question would be what people want to see.

Lots of discussion is very player specific.

But game threads are always fun too even though they obviously fade after the game.

What format would you folks like?

I have no problem with player threads and community opinions on them. I don't need to see the stat line posted by rotoworld and a comment though, that's not what I go to the Shark Pool for.

You have a unique community so that's the content I want

Threads are essentially getting bumped with information that isn't even worthy of discussion

 

[Dwayne Hoover]

I think it was less of an issue when the blurbs were only on noteworthy players where something noteworthy happened where the thread was going to get discussion anyway. Having it on every player and the whole first few pages of the SP being random player names isn't ideal.

I never really loved the player thread thing in the first place but I understand it. But a laundry list of player names with actual noteworthy events not allowed to be posted as new topics never seemed ideal to me, causing actual noteworthy things to get lost in the shuffle. I understand it's a difficult thing though and each way has its own merits.

It might be somewhat more palatable if the guy was a decent editor and understood what was newsworthy to post about. He has no filter at all.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's not really more, it's less. I mean would have liked to be able to find a few team threads in the mix. Often times you find more context with the fans of a team than fans of a player.

Feel like you get less engagement this way, maybe not. Feel like individual player threads could be in their own sub forum. Not my board.

Maybe with the new software it's not all that important to have the scroll by organization it once did, dunno. I'm old.

Thanks. I agree less can be more when the less is higher quality. I think that's what we're going for. I also like the team thread stuff. I'd love for you to contribute more to those and help move them up the page. And also generate good content that others will reply to. Thanks.

 

[Juxtatarot]

One more observation, when scrolling FBG forums on my phone, you can't see who the last person was to post in a thread. It would be easier for readers to self-regulate if you could see that someone was on a roll. Totally a back-burner conversation best brought up in February.

You can see that if you turn your phone sideways.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Threads are essentially getting bumped with information that isn't even worthy of discussion

We've solved for that. I asked him to raise the bar on what news blurbs are posted and he said he would.

In the meantime, can you post more there? We're always in need of quality contributions and discussion. Thanks.

 

[msudaisy26]

Are we really wasting time bitching about people wasting our time?

You must be new here.

Touché

 

[The Frankman]

as I said @Dwayne Hoover , this is something I usually did week 1 in the past where everyone gets a update; it's kinda odd IMHO the number of older threads with no info on them despite being fantasy worthy. As I said before I've done it for years so it isn't new, might be to people newer to the board.

As a side note, there's a lot of people who just don't like Rotoworld in general. I already confirmed in one of their YouTube chats all their main writers supply the player News bumps, so some are more ... aggressive than others. Some actually don't provide much content and a general prediction for the next week (maybe the person isn't high on that player?) so the issue is you might get a different viewpoint from the writer who's doing that player's performance blurb each week. Like any news piece you take the info and move on, they're not meant to be a personal attack on your players. I see them as talking points and info to build on, like in the Skyy Moore thread or the Chigoziem Okonwo thread.

EDIT: the other part of it is I play in a 16-team short bench league with Double Flex (WR/TE and WR/RB/TE). There are a ton of players people in bigger leagues might have to have their eye on compared to people who play in a 8-10 team league. So yeah, there are going to be offers on guys people in smaller leagues may not find "fantasy relevant".

 

[Chemical X]

won’t answer yours

 

[SWC]

buncha choosy beggars up in here take that to the bank brohans

 

[Scoresman]

Another thing I’ve never liked about the player threads is that if you click on one for the first time and it’s a veteran player who’s been around a while, you have to jump around the thread trying to find where the discussion for this fantasy year starts.

 

[kupcho1]

If anyone wants to pass along a message to Frank, man I'd suggest two Sunday night threads - one for this Sunday's underperformers, and another for the best performers. I'd subscribe.

That's interesting. Unpack that a little. What exactly would be the guidelines?

Just spitballing on Mr. CIA's idea but:
* players that score 50% of weekly projection are underperformers
* players that score over 25% more than projections are top performers

Obviously not married to the percentages but the methodology seems sound

 

[Juxtatarot]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m done with the Shark Pool (it’s nearly PSF level with all the trolling, snark and hot takes). Just a total waste of time.

 

[zamboni]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

That's pretty much by design. There was some past discussion about starting new threads rather than embedding new information in old threads, but many complained that it would clutter things up even more to have multiple threads going on. Really no easy answer.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I hate to pile on but I had to go to page 7 to find the team defense thread. This is also how multiple threads get started, posters give up looking after the first couple of pages and start a new thread that then has to be merged with the old thread.

 

[ShamrockPride]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

That's pretty much by design. There was some past discussion about starting new threads rather than embedding new information in old threads, but many complained that it would clutter things up even more to have multiple threads going on. Really no easy answer.

Yeah, it used to be the same thing with game threads, or breaking injury/trade news.

You'd have people rushing to be the first one out with the thread, so somebody posts about it. 5 mins later, another person (who doesn't see the first one) posts a duplicate thread, and then 2 different discussions are going on about the same thing.

Eventually a mod has to be asked to just merge the 2, and then we're where we are now anyway, all condensed down to a single thread.

 

[Dezbelief]

I’m done with the Shark Pool (it’s nearly PSF level with all the trolling, snark and hot takes). Just a total waste of time.

Agreed

 

[Joe Bryant]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

Thanks. We talked a lot about that. Many like @Faust were adamant this was how everyone wanted it. With a gigantic 80 page 15 year old thread for every player. Personally, I'd rather it be topic driven.

BUT that does cause there to be 8 threads on Aaron Rodgers. And that's not good.

This method causes the moderators quite a bit of work to continually update thread titles as the original poster is often no longer active on the board as the thread was started years ago.

On the upside, search works great and is super fast so it's very easy to find the Rodgers thread.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I’m done with the Shark Pool (it’s nearly PSF level with all the trolling, snark and hot takes). Just a total waste of time.

Can you elaborate? Moderators try to address what they see reported and we 've had some things to fix but the trolling is in a different universe from PSF from what I've seen.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And Rodgers is easily the most popular thread today and at the top of page 1. Seems that's what it should be.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I was always impressed with Fausts commitment.

 

[zamboni]

I was always impressed with Fausts commitment.

100%. He doesn't have to post so many articles that many of us don't see, but he does it anyway to help people in their analysis. Kind of pisses me off when people actually have a problem with that.

 

[belljr]

I dont play FF anymore so I don't really pay attention - I just go for the game threads.

 

[ChiefD]

I was always impressed with Fausts commitment.

100%. He doesn't have to post so many articles that many of us don't see, but he does it anyway to help people in their analysis. Kind of pisses me off when people actually have a problem with that.

Yeah, it's kind of a double-edged sword.

On a Sunday or Monday there are some great game threads going on and discussion about some interesting topics. And then - bam! There are player threads just popping up seemingly within an hour's time. So all those discussions are just gone to page 2 or 3 or 4.

I know I've had a hard time getting back to an interesting discussion and just given up. But Faust does a great job on those individual threads. But I find them most valuable after the draft and during training camp. Once the games start, for me personally, I already know much about the players involvement because I'm watching games all day.

It's almost like if the player threads get updated on Wednesday that would be perfect because it leads into the Thursday game. Or maybe Tuesday afternoons.

 

[zamboni]

I was always impressed with Fausts commitment.

100%. He doesn't have to post so many articles that many of us don't see, but he does it anyway to help people in their analysis. Kind of pisses me off when people actually have a problem with that.

Yeah, it's kind of a double-edged sword.

On a Sunday or Monday there are some great game threads going on and discussion about some interesting topics. And then - bam! There are player threads just popping up seemingly within an hour's time. So all those discussions are just gone to page 2 or 3 or 4.

I know I've had a hard time getting back to an interesting discussion and just given up. But Faust does a great job on those individual threads. But I find them most valuable after the draft and during training camp. Once the games start, for me personally, I already know much about the players involvement because I'm watching games all day.

It's almost like if the player threads get updated on Wednesday that would be perfect because it leads into the Thursday game. Or maybe Tuesday afternoons.

Right with you on the bolded - training camp is where those posts/threads really have an impact when we're trying to decipher a lot of reports and gauge player value.

 

[Juxtatarot]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

Thanks. We talked a lot about that. Many like @Faust were adamant this was how everyone wanted it. With a gigantic 80 page 15 year old thread for every player. Personally, I'd rather it be topic driven.

BUT that does cause there to be 8 threads on Aaron Rodgers. And that's not good.

This method causes the moderators quite a bit of work to continually update thread titles as the original poster is often no longer active on the board as the thread was started years ago.

On the upside, search works great and is super fast so it's very easy to find the Rodgers thread.

I get why you’ve been reluctant to add volunteer mods when it comes to reviewing reported posts and making suspension decisions. However, maybe there would be enough benefit in allowing some volunteers to help with merging threads and updating thread titles — for example, “Update page 80: suffers apparent Achilles injury”, or “Update page 82: confirmed: out for season”.

 

[need2know]

Yeah I wish Frankman would take a break. I don't think those posts help anyone. But hey maybe I'm wrong

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m done with the Shark Pool (it’s nearly PSF level with all the trolling, snark and hot takes). Just a total waste of time.

Can you elaborate? Moderators try to address what they see reported and we 've had some things to fix but the trolling is in a different universe from PSF from what I've seen.

You've allowed Eminence to comeback 45 different times with a new alias - and he pulls the same crap every time.

You have multiple posters that are more interested in "gotcha moments" than actual discussion and most of them are not intelligent enough to realize they aren't actually addressing what was actually said and there is no "gotcha".

You have people taking victory laps after one week and laughing at other posters for being "wrong" (after one week )

You have people constantly arguing against things no one claimed - and sometimes writing five pargraphs of nonsense to do so.

Some posters do nothing but constantly talk about their fantasy teams - the dynasty thread has become a disguised "assistant coach forum".

There's people that are clueless and cavemen-like talking out of their asses about topics they know nothing about - like mental health (Calvin Ridley thread). For people that have experienced real mental health crises and family tragedies that crap is unacceptable.

The petty bickering that happens in every thread for pages and pages (and 80% of the time the same people over and over).

Some people think they are celebrities and refer to themselves in the third person while posting pure drivel about things they are clueless about.

I will still post in the Jets thread (even though the trolls come in there) and here in the music threads and some other in here - but I will waste no more time reading the drivel and dumb hot takes in the CessPool.

I know you have to defend your product so I take no offense at you doing so, but to me it's whistling past the graveyard. Everyone else seems to see it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And Rodgers is easily the most popular thread today and at the top of page 1. Seems that's what it should be.

No way I got into that thread. I'm sure the trolls are out in full force there. Jets bashing is a trademark of this site.

 

[jobarules]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

How hard is it to click on the last page of the Aaron Rodgers thread to find relevant injury news about Aaron Rodgers?

Id much rather it like this than a separate thread for every injury.

 

[Wildcat]

Also, the an NFL thread in the FFA would be good, but that's because I enjoy reading the personalities of the FFA. It wouldn't be better, per se, nor would you lose guys from the SP. It'd just be different.

That's where differ. People only have so much time. A thread in both the FFA and Shark Pool would have the net effect of weakening the Shark Pool. And I don't want to do that. I'd rather make the Shark Pool better.

I pointed the frankman to this thread. He wants what's best for the forum too.

It's far from "unreadable" but that's just how people rant I know. I do think we can make it better.

It would be nice if the board allowed me to pin threads that I wanted to pin. Also, I wish there was a button at the top of each thread to jump to the bottom. I often am scrolling like crazy to get to the most recent post. Jump to New doesn't do that. It's worse on a phone as I'm often scrolling with my finger like a madman.

 

[jobarules]

I hate to pile on but I had to go to page 7 to find the team defense thread. This is also how multiple threads get started, posters give up looking after the first couple of pages and start a new thread that then has to be merged with the old thread.

A few threads should be pinned. This should be one of them.

 

[massraider]

The forum is not very inviting for new people who want to talk about the NFL. Major news happens like Aaron Rodgers hurting his Achilles and nobody starts a thread about it. Instead, people are supposed to go into a 80-page thread that started 9 years ago.

How hard is it to click on the last page of the Aaron Rodgers thread to find relevant injury news about Aaron Rodgers?

Id much rather it like this than a separate thread for every injury.

The discussion here is a great example of the issue at hand.

Some guys are annoyed by the news updates. They can get that from Rotoworld. Some guys get their news here, they don't go to Rotoworld, they like the updates.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I think the better question would be what people want to see.

An intervention for Faust.

 

[kupcho1]

You've allowed Eminence to comeback 45 different times with a new alias - and he pulls the same crap every time.

You have multiple posters that are more interested in "gotcha moments" than actual discussion and most of them are not intelligent enough to realize they aren't actually addressing what was actually said and there is no "gotcha".

You have people taking victory laps after one week and laughing at other posters for being "wrong" (after one week )

You have people constantly arguing against things no one claimed - and sometimes writing five pargraphs of nonsense to do so.

Some posters do nothing but constantly talk about their fantasy teams - the dynasty thread has become a disguised "assistant coach forum".

There's people that are clueless and cavemen-like talking out of their asses about topics they know nothing about - like mental health (Calvin Ridley thread). For people that have experienced real mental health crises and family tragedies that crap is unacceptable.

The petty bickering that happens in every thread for pages and pages (and 80% of the time the same people over and over).

Some people think they are celebrities and refer to themselves in the third person while posting pure drivel about things they are clueless about.

I will still post in the Jets thread (even though the trolls come in there) and here in the music threads and some other in here - but I will waste no more time reading the drivel and dumb hot takes in the CessPool.

I know you have to defend your product so I take no offense at you doing so, but to me it's whistling past the graveyard. Everyone else seems to see it.

AKA the 10 Commandments of running a message board.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

How hard is it to click on the last page of the Aaron Rodgers thread to find relevant injury news about Aaron Rodgers?

That's what I do. If the first post on the last page is really recent, I go back a page.

I don't have a big problem with the SP, but I don't frequent every thread there. Scrolling past all of the bumped player threads is a PITA, but that's really a 1st World Problem for me. I like the team threads and the game threads, along with those player threads for guys on my team.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

AKA the 10 Commandments of running a message board.

I really don't blame Joe or this site really. It's just more the case that people suck (especially in a social media setting).

 

[Scoresman]

Joe I feel like a lot of these issues people have would be solved by having the shark pool be two forums, 1 for ongoing player discussion and would contain only the player threads. The other would be for NFL news, general fantasy discussion, draft strategy discussion, etc.

 

[SWC]

they come to the message board for reasons they cant even fathom they will turn up not knowing for sure why they are doing it they will arrive at your site as innocent as children longing for the past and of course we wont mind if you look around you say its totally free or you can pay some money for some extra stuff if you like but most wont pay instead they will just browse around and post without even thinking about how its free and beggars should not be choosers but the regular whiners will still find time to complain for it is time to waste at work they have and peace they lack and they sit at work posting when they should be doing thier job in shirt sleeves with a dorky pocket protector on a perfect afternoon and then still leave early despite half assing their job all day because they quote need a break endquote and whoaaaaaaa nelly when they will find out they cant post whenever they want like when they were children and still in college but they will still watch the games and post more in the game threads even though they will compain about the 11 seconds it took to find the thread using the really easy search function and it will be as if they dipped themselves in magic karen waters and the unjust outrage will be so thick theyll have to brush it way from their faces as they complain to the manager in truth brohans this site has rolled by like an army of steamrollers it has been erased like a blackboard rebuilt and erased again and this site despite the regular complainers whining that it is dying has marked the time this site is a part of our past brohans and it reminds us of all that once was good and it could be again oooooohhhhh but the same people who have always complained will complain brohans they will most definitely complain take that to the bank

 

[rockaction]

in truth brohans this site has rolled by like an army of steamrollers it has been erased like a blackboard rebuilt and erased again and this site despite the regular complainers whining that it is dying has marked the time this site is a part of our past brohans

Maybe even more than you'd think.