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Fishing trip aside, Manning shut A LOT of his critics up (myself included) but I'm sure there will be plenty more who criticize him until he wins a Bowl, just as they did with Elway. As if somehow Elway suddenly became that much better when he got his Superbowl ring(s). Here's a little blurb from Joe on another thread:Cheers
So we'll table this discussion until next week
Cheers
Opinions are like a-holes, (practically) everybody has one.
No way. Everyone said Elway was a choker for years and he shook that tag.
Everwars,So hypothetically if Manning wins another two games and gets to the Super Bowl, but loses, would you still call him a choker? B/c wouldn't that make virtually every QB to ever play the game a choker?
i hope that was directed at the Nerd guy, and not yours truly...Marino and Kelly certainly won some big games and made Superbowls, and even without winning they were great QBs...i don't require Manning to win a SB to remove the label, just win a playoff game he isn't supposed to win...a division champ playing at home against a wild card team with a crappy QB and a banged up RB doesn't count...of course he played well, he was supposed to rout them...i want him to lead his team to an upset, and he has the chance this coming week
That is correct. The Colts are superior to all the teams in the NFC, so if he made it too the Superbowl and lost it would have to be considered yet another Manning choke job. :domer:
But let me guess, even If Peyton does do all that, he'll still be a choker because he didn't do it with one arm tied behind his back, blindfolded, and reciting the alphabet backwards, or because he's not a left handed QB, or because he didn't lead the team in rushing...Amazing. Everyone keeps saying that his inability to win a playoff game makes him a choker. Now that he's wona playoff game, everybody is quickly re-defining what a choker is. If you're that desperate to try to make him less of a QB that he actually is, just come out and say that you hate the guy and nothing that he'll ever do will change your opinion of him.
But that logic makes no sense. The only reason a guy would be on the road in the playoffs is because his team wasn't good enough in the regular season to earn home-field for the game at hand.What you're saying is that being good in the regular season would prevent a QB (like Manning) from having a chance at a road playoff win THUS he could never be great. So, you would rather have a QB that pilots his team to mediocre results in the regular season, hits the road in the playoffs, wins a game or two (where they are the underdog as the road team almost always is) and thus that makes them "clutch" or "great"? In that case, I'm looking forward to seeing you pimp Jake Delhomme next Monday morning...HERD (the Nerd)
not necessarily, but that's the way it is for Manning this year...Tom Brady isn't a choke cause he upset the Raiders at home 2 years ago, but i don't see the opportunity for Manning to do that this year...his only options are KC/NE on the road, cause TEN at home, a team IND has already beaten twice, isn't that impressive...but if IND had NE at home in the championship that would still be impressivemy point here is that beating DEN this past week did nothing to shed his label, a fact that the jocksniffs in the media don't comprehend
But according to the criteria, Trent Dilfer is not a choke artist as he has won a road playoff game as an underdog.
Mr. Citrus Bowl MVP earned his label, i didn't give it to him...it's up to him to win a big game nowand please, everyone thought the Raiders were the best AFC team that yearWha....?!So, Brady is not a choke because he and the 11-5 Pats won a home playoff game against a 10-6 team, but Manning will always be a choke until he wins a road playoff game, against a team that played better than the Colts during the regular season??
Exactly!And Jerry Rice is not a HoFer!
Uh, no. That honor actually went to Pittsburgh. And NE was favored in the game against Oakland.And while you may not have given Manning the "label" of being a choker, you are in fact applying it to him now unfairly as you hold up Brady and Manning to 2 totally different standards of what consitutes a choke and what deosn't.
This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.
I have to agree that Manning has earned the label, but I fully expect him to shake the label sometime before he gives a speech at Canton. Never know. Maybe he will get a chance to introduce his little brother. Really though, I hoping he goes far this year.
C'mon HC, stop spoiling the argument with facts...
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now that's a little ridiculous, don't you think? or should i dig up bowl stats for "great" QBs like Gino Torretta, etc.C'mon HC, stop spoiling the argument with facts...
the fact that Manning was 3-1 in bowl games is not relevant, since UF owned him and he wound up playing in lesser bowls againt inferior competition, thus the Mr. Cirtus Bowl MVP reference.i agree with shick! that i expect Manning to shed the label before making the HOF...i do NOT agree that he shed the label with this past weekend's game against the broncos
