Martz in talks to be Lions OC (1 Viewer)

[D-BO]

Rookie Year numbers

Torry Holt

52-788-6

Roy Williams

54-817-8

Holt played second fiddle to Issac Bruce his rookie year, arguably his second year too.Year #2:

Holt: 82-1635-6

Williams: 45-687-8 which is a little worse then his rookie year & 7 of these catches along with 3 of these TDs came against Arizona.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Millen's biggest mistake of all--the one that truly made the Lions a losing franchise for five years instead of a couple--was hiring Mooch (no, it wasn't drafting the 3 wrs). By his own admission he "got away" from what he believed in when he hired Mooch. He hired the complete anti-Millen in Mooch, a guy who ended up doing EVERYTHING the complete opposite of what Millen would do, a guy who thought the complete opposite of Millen in terms of how to manage a football team.Oh, and the guy who made a power-play against Millen last year.At least now--FINALLY--Millen took his time, was thorough as hell, and hired a HC who has the mentality and approach of Millen on the football field. The fact it took until NOW to finally do that is painful for Lion fans, but I suspect ALL of the past with Millen will be quickly forgiven if Marinelli delivers.

 

[MSULions]

man, if this happens it would really make Detroit's staff the finest replacements of the ten teams...that is shocking. Perhaps Millen is learning.

N'ah. Third time's a charm. Or it could be that Millen finally has a football guy running the team for him--Marinelli.

that's basically what i meant

 

[MSULions]

Rookie Year numbers

Torry Holt

52-788-6

Roy Williams

54-817-8

Holt played second fiddle to Issac Bruce his rookie year, arguably his second year too.Year #2:

Holt: 82-1635-6

Williams: 45-687-8 which is a little worse then his rookie year & 7 of these catches along with 3 of these TDs came against Arizona.

Let's give Roy two years under Martz and then compare. not to mention: how many games was Holt out bc of injury?

 

[iSnitch]

this would instantly make all detroit lion skill position players overvalued

I could easily see him excelling in a Faulk-like role: 15-18 carries, 3-6 catches per game. Not that he will be as good as Faulk, but this could definitely help him reach the top 10, where many felt he was headed in 2005.

 

[Blackjacks]

And by the way let's never compare K. Jones to M. Faulk again on this website please. Kevin Jones has never been a reciever from his days at Va. Tech and his first two years in the NFL. He also is much more of a straight ahead runner who will try to run you over compared to Marshall who would catch everything in sight and dance around you. The 2 basically just aren't very comparable.

If you reread my post, you'll notice that I didn't compare them. I said I think Jones could excel in a Faulk-like role.I also noted that Jones has not been a pass catching RB thus far in his career. That doesn't mean he can't do it. You are saying because he never has before, he can't. I disagree.

okay, your right you never said that but if he could do it most likely someone would have caught on by now and let him take a chance at catching more passes. He is not a good reciever I've seen him drop many of passes but I still think he upgrades in Martz's system.

Because Mariucci definitely showed that he was maximizing Jones' ability, right?

So basically your saying it's Mooch's fault for not giving him any passing plays.... Well I guess it's also Frank Beamer's fault for never passing him the ball at Va Tech neither. Ya think that might be because...... he's not a good wr. That's like me saying I think Jerome Bettis is a great wr it's just N.D., the Rams and the Steelers fault for never show casing it. The fact is this, if and I stress the word if, he was an adequate wr at somepoint in his career someone might have showcased it alittle. I also imagine the reason why Detroit always has a third down back in has something to do with his hands of stone.

 

[Payne]

ALLEN PARK -- Mike Martz might eventually become the Detroit Lions new offensive coordinator, but the situation is not close to being settled. Contrary to reports that Martz will decide by today whether to take the Lions job, a source close to the situation said not only has Martz not been offered the job, but he has yet to have a formal interview with new Lions head coach Rod Marinelli. Martz is one of several people on the Lions' list of candidates to be the next offensive coordinator and he's been contacted by the team but, according to the source, Marinelli is still reviewing the matter and no decision is imminent.

 

[Tau837]

And by the way let's never compare K. Jones to M. Faulk again on this website please. Kevin Jones has never been a reciever from his days at Va. Tech and his first two years in the NFL. He also is much more of a straight ahead runner who will try to run you over compared to Marshall who would catch everything in sight and dance around you. The 2 basically just aren't very comparable.

If you reread my post, you'll notice that I didn't compare them. I said I think Jones could excel in a Faulk-like role.I also noted that Jones has not been a pass catching RB thus far in his career. That doesn't mean he can't do it. You are saying because he never has before, he can't. I disagree.

okay, your right you never said that but if he could do it most likely someone would have caught on by now and let him take a chance at catching more passes. He is not a good reciever I've seen him drop many of passes but I still think he upgrades in Martz's system.

Because Mariucci definitely showed that he was maximizing Jones' ability, right?

So basically your saying it's Mooch's fault for not giving him any passing plays.... Well I guess it's also Frank Beamer's fault for never passing him the ball at Va Tech neither. Ya think that might be because...... he's not a good wr. That's like me saying I think Jerome Bettis is a great wr it's just N.D., the Rams and the Steelers fault for never show casing it. The fact is this, if and I stress the word if, he was an adequate wr at somepoint in his career someone might have showcased it alittle. I also imagine the reason why Detroit always has a third down back in has something to do with his hands of stone.

Beamer doesn't run an offense that relies on throwing to his RBs. Do you agree that some offenses throw to their RBs a lot, while others throw to them rarely? If so, do you think that means all RBs that play in the latter type of offense are poor receivers?We can agree on one thing: Jones wouldn't make a good WR.

However, I think he can be a good receiving RB. On that we can simply agree to disagree.

 

[The Jerminator]

Sorry if Honda. I'm rather excited at the prospect of this happening.

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Martz in talks after withdrawing from Raiders' search

By Chris Mortensen and John Clayton

ESPN.com

Two days after interviewing with the Raiders, Mike Martz pulled his name from consideration for Oakland's head coaching job and is now contemplating whether or not to join the Detroit Lions' staff.

Martz is talking to the Lions about becoming their offensive coordinator and will attempt to make a decision no later than Monday.

Earlier this month the Lions hired Rod Marinelli to be their new head coach. Marinelli filled the other coordinator job on Tuesday when former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson was hired in the same capacity.

Deciding who to hire as offensive coordinator will be a critical decision for the Lions, given the ongoing instability at the quarterback position.

Marinelli wanted to discuss the job with former Bills coach Mike Mularkey, but Mularkey accepted an offer from the Dolphins last Sunday to run their offense.

Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt remains the leading candidate to be the Raiders' new head coach. Although he's interested, there is no guarantee Whisenhunt will take the job; the Raiders cannot interview Whisenhunt until after the Super Bowl.

Martz led the Rams to four playoff berths and a Super Bowl championship in six seasons. He was fired the day after the season ended because of continuing disagreements with the front office.

Martz and the Rams reached a settlement believed to be about half the $3.25 million he was owed for the final year of a three-year contract.

Martz, who interviewed in New Orleans for the head coaching job that went to Sean Payton earlier this month, missed the last 11 games of the season with endocarditis, a bacterial infection of a heart valve. However, he said his health is not a concern and he's in no hurry to get another job.

Uh oh, Don't tell the Patriots!!! Martz DID lead the Rams to the SB in '01 but, unfortunately they lost (as a 14-point favorite no less!). It was a wild 5+ years with Martz as HC, he was a GOD as an OC previous to that. At least if he takes an OC job we won't have to hear him "Well shoot..." all the time during press conferences.

Good Luck Coach Martz, nice research ESPN...

- Jerm

 

[3C's]

ALLEN PARK -- Mike Martz might eventually become the Detroit Lions new offensive coordinator, but the situation is not close to being settled.

Contrary to reports that Martz will decide by today whether to take the Lions job, a source close to the situation said not only has Martz not been offered the job, but he has yet to have a formal interview with new Lions head coach Rod Marinelli.

Martz is one of several people on the Lions' list of candidates to be the next offensive coordinator and he's been contacted by the team but, according to the source, Marinelli is still reviewing the matter and no decision is imminent.

Heard on the radio today they probably won't offer the job to Martz as they fear he'd bolt next year to be a HC.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Sorry if Honda.  I'm rather excited at the prospect of this happening.

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Martz in talks after withdrawing from Raiders' search

By Chris Mortensen and John Clayton

ESPN.com

Two days after interviewing with the Raiders, Mike Martz pulled his name from consideration for Oakland's head coaching job and is now contemplating whether or not to join the Detroit Lions' staff.

Martz is talking to the Lions about becoming their offensive coordinator and will attempt to make a decision no later than Monday.

Earlier this month the Lions hired Rod Marinelli to be their new head coach. Marinelli filled the other coordinator job on Tuesday when former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson was hired in the same capacity.

Deciding who to hire as offensive coordinator will be a critical decision for the Lions, given the ongoing instability at the quarterback position.

Marinelli wanted to discuss the job with former Bills coach Mike Mularkey, but Mularkey accepted an offer from the Dolphins last Sunday to run their offense.

Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt remains the leading candidate to be the Raiders' new head coach. Although he's interested, there is no guarantee Whisenhunt will take the job; the Raiders cannot interview Whisenhunt until after the Super Bowl.

Martz led the Rams to four playoff berths and a Super Bowl championship in six seasons. He was fired the day after the season ended because of continuing disagreements with the front office.

Martz and the Rams reached a settlement believed to be about half the $3.25 million he was owed for the final year of a three-year contract.

Martz, who interviewed in New Orleans for the head coaching job that went to Sean Payton earlier this month, missed the last 11 games of the season with endocarditis, a bacterial infection of a heart valve. However, he said his health is not a concern and he's in no hurry to get another job.

Uh oh, Don't tell the Patriots!!! Martz DID lead the Rams to the SB in '01 but, unfortunately they lost (as a 14-point favorite no less!). It was a wild 5+ years with Martz as HC, he was a GOD as an OC previous to that. At least if he takes an OC job we won't have to hear him "Well shoot..." all the time during press conferences.

Good Luck Coach Martz, nice research ESPN...

- Jerm

Martz was the OC of the Rams Super Bowl championship team that defeated the Titans.

 

[Blackjacks]

And by the way let's never compare K. Jones to M. Faulk again on this website please. Kevin Jones has never been a reciever from his days at Va. Tech and his first two years in the NFL. He also is much more of a straight ahead runner who will try to run you over compared to Marshall who would catch everything in sight and dance around you. The 2 basically just aren't very comparable.

If you reread my post, you'll notice that I didn't compare them. I said I think Jones could excel in a Faulk-like role.I also noted that Jones has not been a pass catching RB thus far in his career. That doesn't mean he can't do it. You are saying because he never has before, he can't. I disagree.

okay, your right you never said that but if he could do it most likely someone would have caught on by now and let him take a chance at catching more passes. He is not a good reciever I've seen him drop many of passes but I still think he upgrades in Martz's system.

Because Mariucci definitely showed that he was maximizing Jones' ability, right?

So basically your saying it's Mooch's fault for not giving him any passing plays.... Well I guess it's also Frank Beamer's fault for never passing him the ball at Va Tech neither. Ya think that might be because...... he's not a good wr. That's like me saying I think Jerome Bettis is a great wr it's just N.D., the Rams and the Steelers fault for never show casing it. The fact is this, if and I stress the word if, he was an adequate wr at somepoint in his career someone might have showcased it alittle. I also imagine the reason why Detroit always has a third down back in has something to do with his hands of stone.

Beamer doesn't run an offense that relies on throwing to his RBs. Do you agree that some offenses throw to their RBs a lot, while others throw to them rarely? If so, do you think that means all RBs that play in the latter type of offense are poor receivers?We can agree on one thing: Jones wouldn't make a good WR.

However, I think he can be a good receiving RB. On that we can simply agree to disagree.

agreed and done

 

[The Jerminator]

Sorry if Honda. I'm rather excited at the prospect of this happening.

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Martz in talks after withdrawing from Raiders' search

By Chris Mortensen and John Clayton

ESPN.com

Two days after interviewing with the Raiders, Mike Martz pulled his name from consideration for Oakland's head coaching job and is now contemplating whether or not to join the Detroit Lions' staff.

Martz is talking to the Lions about becoming their offensive coordinator and will attempt to make a decision no later than Monday.

Earlier this month the Lions hired Rod Marinelli to be their new head coach. Marinelli filled the other coordinator job on Tuesday when former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson was hired in the same capacity.

Deciding who to hire as offensive coordinator will be a critical decision for the Lions, given the ongoing instability at the quarterback position.

Marinelli wanted to discuss the job with former Bills coach Mike Mularkey, but Mularkey accepted an offer from the Dolphins last Sunday to run their offense.

Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt remains the leading candidate to be the Raiders' new head coach. Although he's interested, there is no guarantee Whisenhunt will take the job; the Raiders cannot interview Whisenhunt until after the Super Bowl.

Martz led the Rams to four playoff berths and a Super Bowl championship in six seasons. He was fired the day after the season ended because of continuing disagreements with the front office.

Martz and the Rams reached a settlement believed to be about half the $3.25 million he was owed for the final year of a three-year contract.

Martz, who interviewed in New Orleans for the head coaching job that went to Sean Payton earlier this month, missed the last 11 games of the season with endocarditis, a bacterial infection of a heart valve. However, he said his health is not a concern and he's in no hurry to get another job.

Uh oh, Don't tell the Patriots!!! Martz DID lead the Rams to the SB in '01 but, unfortunately they lost (as a 14-point favorite no less!). It was a wild 5+ years with Martz as HC, he was a GOD as an OC previous to that. At least if he takes an OC job we won't have to hear him "Well shoot..." all the time during press conferences.

Good Luck Coach Martz, nice research ESPN...

- Jerm

Martz was the OC of the Rams Super Bowl championship team that defeated the Titans.

Yep.Too bad the article is referring to his six-year HC stint from 2000-2005. He didn't "lead" them to the win over the Titans. That was Vermiel...

 

[monessen]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach. Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development. If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

 

[cosmonaut]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach. Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development. If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

I'd think Marinelli's comments already about wanting to emphasize a power run game and being the only voice of discipline in the clubhouse would give him more pause than a guy named Kippy.

 

[3C's]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because ...

Or it could be that he hasn't been offered the job yet.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach.  Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development.  If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

I pulled this from the Lions board. I believe the source is KFFL:"Lions | Martz impresses Millen

Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:27:56 -0800

Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz met with Detroit Lions team president Matt Millen about the team's offensive coordinator position again Monday, Jan. 30. League sources said that things went well with Millen; that Millen wants to hire Martz; and that Martz is interested in the job. If hired in Detroit, its possible Martz would be given the added title of assistant head coach. If Martz gets the Detroit job, it's very possible that he will take running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery with him. As noted earlier, Martz will interview with Lions head coach Rod Marinelli Tuesday, Jan. 31."

I don't any sense of cold feet by anyone involved, judging by that. Key phrase in there: Martz meet with Millen "AGAIN, Monday, Jan. 30..."

 

[SoloMatisse]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach.  Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development.  If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

I pulled this from the Lions board. I believe the source is KFFL:"Lions | Martz impresses Millen

Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:27:56 -0800

Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz met with Detroit Lions team president Matt Millen about the team's offensive coordinator position again Monday, Jan. 30. League sources said that things went well with Millen; that Millen wants to hire Martz; and that Martz is interested in the job. If hired in Detroit, its possible Martz would be given the added title of assistant head coach. If Martz gets the Detroit job, it's very possible that he will take running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery with him. As noted earlier, Martz will interview with Lions head coach Rod Marinelli Tuesday, Jan. 31."

I don't any sense of cold feet by anyone involved, judging by that. Key phrase in there: Martz meet with Millen "AGAIN, Monday, Jan. 30..."

For God's sake, how hard can it be to impress this guy??.....especially considering Martz has a ring and been to another show. His resume speaks for itself, but the question I have to ask is why is Millen bringing this guy in anyway??? Shouldnt it be up to a HC to decide what type of O he's going to run, and what coordinator to bring in??? Pulling for the Lions must be like riding a roller coaster ever year, except there's NO UP....strictly downs. What a pathetic franchise.

 

[Payne]

Problem the Lions need to consider is that Martz will take the first HC job he is offered.

 

[Payne]

DETROIT -- When it comes to hiring an offensive coordinator, the Detroit Lions just took a third strike. Yet, they still believe they have a chance to hit a home run.

The Lions had put their search for a coordinator on hold because they were waiting to see if they could wrestle away offensive coordinator Tom Moore from the Indianapolis Colts. Because he's still under contract with the Colts, Moore needed approval from Indianapolis to release him from his deal. The Lions apparently got word Monday night that that wasn't going to happen.

The Lions had already lost out on two other possible candidates because they decided to take jobs with other teams: Al Saunders (Washington Redskins) and Mike Mularkey (Miami Dolphins).

As a result, former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz is expected to meet with the Lions new head coach Rod Marinelli today to talk about the coordinator position. While Martz might be No. 4 on the Lions list, his offensive credentials are second to none.

 

[blend]

DETROIT --

The Lions had put their search for a coordinator on hold because they were waiting to see if they could wrestle away offensive coordinator Tom Moore from the Indianapolis Colts. Because he's still under contract with the Colts, Moore needed approval from Indianapolis to release him from his deal. The Lions apparently got word Monday night that that wasn't going to happen.

I was shocked when I read that this morning... Almost makes it sound as if Moore would have been interested????

 

[Boston]

Problem the Lions need to consider is that Martz will take the first HC job he is offered.

Agreed and this is why he would not be a good hire. Martz has his own style of offense and there will definetly be a learning curve for the Lions. There is no way around that. The problem is if they are successful Martz will probably be gone by next offseason. He wants to be a coach. Therefore just as the Lions O is getting real comfortable with what Martz does he will be gone and so will the continuity. It will be almost impossible to be able to hire someone who can pickup where Martz left off. He does not run that type of offense. So it could be a situation where the Lions take one step forward during the year and than one back after the year and have to start all over again from scratch. That's not a healthy situation for their young talent.

 

[Baggins]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach. Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development. If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

Martz actually signed off on the hiring of Kippy and another specialist coach, this was reported by WDFN yesterday. He flew in to Detroit today and I would expect an announcement coming soon.

 

[Foosball God]

DETROIT --

The Lions had put their search for a coordinator on hold because they were waiting to see if they could wrestle away offensive coordinator Tom Moore from the Indianapolis Colts. Because he's still under contract with the Colts, Moore needed approval from Indianapolis to release him from his deal. The Lions apparently got word Monday night that that wasn't going to happen.

I was shocked when I read that this morning... Almost makes it sound as if Moore would have been interested????

Moore does have a history in Detroit.

 

[hutchins929]

For God's sake, how hard can it be to impress this guy??.....especially considering Martz has a ring and been to another show. His resume speaks for itself, but the question I have to ask is why is Millen bringing this guy in anyway??? Shouldnt it be up to a HC to decide what type of O he's going to run, and what coordinator to bring in??? Pulling for the Lions must be like riding a roller coaster ever year, except there's NO UP....strictly downs. What a pathetic franchise.

As a Lions fan I can say this, At least when on a roller coaster the downs are fun!!!

 

[blend]

DETROIT --

The Lions had put their search for a coordinator on hold because they were waiting to see if they could wrestle away offensive coordinator Tom Moore from the Indianapolis Colts. Because he's still under contract with the Colts, Moore needed approval from Indianapolis to release him from his deal. The Lions apparently got word Monday night that that wasn't going to happen.

I was shocked when I read that this morning... Almost makes it sound as if Moore would have been interested????

Moore does have a history in Detroit.

True.. but why come back? Seems like he might have a pretty good offense where he's at now... ego? Does he feel that all credit is going to Peyton and wants to build something. I realize it's a moot point now, but I thought it was quite shocking.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach.  Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development.  If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

I pulled this from the Lions board. I believe the source is KFFL:"Lions | Martz impresses Millen

Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:27:56 -0800

Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz met with Detroit Lions team president Matt Millen about the team's offensive coordinator position again Monday, Jan. 30. League sources said that things went well with Millen; that Millen wants to hire Martz; and that Martz is interested in the job. If hired in Detroit, its possible Martz would be given the added title of assistant head coach. If Martz gets the Detroit job, it's very possible that he will take running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery with him. As noted earlier, Martz will interview with Lions head coach Rod Marinelli Tuesday, Jan. 31."

I don't any sense of cold feet by anyone involved, judging by that. Key phrase in there: Martz meet with Millen "AGAIN, Monday, Jan. 30..."

For God's sake, how hard can it be to impress this guy??.....especially considering Martz has a ring and been to another show. His resume speaks for itself, but the question I have to ask is why is Millen bringing this guy in anyway??? Shouldnt it be up to a HC to decide what type of O he's going to run, and what coordinator to bring in??? Pulling for the Lions must be like riding a roller coaster ever year, except there's NO UP....strictly downs. What a pathetic franchise.

Easy there, big guy...you're going to give yourself a heart attack over a team you're not even a fan of to begin with. Obviously something about Martz in Detroit has gotten your dander up, but in an effort to calm you down I'll provide a little levity:--Martz is meeting with Marinelli last for two logical reasons: 1) He was in Mobile through the weekend 2) The buck STOPS with him, not STARTS with him. If Millen were doing the hiring, it would be the other way around: Marinelli would first meet with Martz and then he'd have Martz meet with Millen and Millen would say yay or nay.

You're reading a lot of stuff into this that just isn't there. Relax.

 

[MSULions]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach. Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development. If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

I pulled this from the Lions board. I believe the source is KFFL:"Lions | Martz impresses Millen

Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:27:56 -0800

Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz met with Detroit Lions team president Matt Millen about the team's offensive coordinator position again Monday, Jan. 30. League sources said that things went well with Millen; that Millen wants to hire Martz; and that Martz is interested in the job. If hired in Detroit, its possible Martz would be given the added title of assistant head coach. If Martz gets the Detroit job, it's very possible that he will take running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery with him. As noted earlier, Martz will interview with Lions head coach Rod Marinelli Tuesday, Jan. 31."

I don't any sense of cold feet by anyone involved, judging by that. Key phrase in there: Martz meet with Millen "AGAIN, Monday, Jan. 30..."

For God's sake, how hard can it be to impress this guy??.....especially considering Martz has a ring and been to another show. His resume speaks for itself, but the question I have to ask is why is Millen bringing this guy in anyway??? Shouldnt it be up to a HC to decide what type of O he's going to run, and what coordinator to bring in??? Pulling for the Lions must be like riding a roller coaster ever year, except there's NO UP....strictly downs. What a pathetic franchise.

Easy there, big guy...you're going to give yourself a heart attack over a team you're not even a fan of to begin with. Obviously something about Martz in Detroit has gotten your dander up, but in an effort to calm you down I'll provide a little levity:--Martz is meeting with Marinelli last for two logical reasons: 1) He was in Mobile through the weekend 2) The buck STOPS with him, not STARTS with him. If Millen were doing the hiring, it would be the other way around: Marinelli would first meet with Martz and then he'd have Martz meet with Millen and Millen would say yay or nay.

You're reading a lot of stuff into this that just isn't there. Relax.

THere is absolutely nothing to ##### about in terms of how the Lions have conducted themselves in putting together this staff...they've thusfar compiled the best one out of the 10 teams who needed to do so. But, a lot of people go out of their way to find a reason to call them "pathetic" - which is kind of sad.....there's plenty of valid reasons to do so, but this ain't one of them.

As for the one year and done deal, would that open the door for Marinelli's Son in Law like he wanted in the first place?

 

[Jason Wood]

Martz may be hesitating on the Lions job because they recently hired Kippy Brown as receivers coach.  Given Brown's recent track record with Texans' receivers and his stellar past as an XFL coach, I'm not sure Martz would want to watch the Detroit WRs take a step backward in their development.  If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also the Dolphins OC under Jimmy Johnson when that team emphasized the run over the pass despite having Dan Marino at QB.

I pulled this from the Lions board. I believe the source is KFFL:"Lions | Martz impresses Millen

Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:27:56 -0800

Jim Thomas, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reports former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz met with Detroit Lions team president Matt Millen about the team's offensive coordinator position again Monday, Jan. 30. League sources said that things went well with Millen; that Millen wants to hire Martz; and that Martz is interested in the job. If hired in Detroit, its possible Martz would be given the added title of assistant head coach. If Martz gets the Detroit job, it's very possible that he will take running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery with him. As noted earlier, Martz will interview with Lions head coach Rod Marinelli Tuesday, Jan. 31."

I don't any sense of cold feet by anyone involved, judging by that. Key phrase in there: Martz meet with Millen "AGAIN, Monday, Jan. 30..."

For God's sake, how hard can it be to impress this guy??.....especially considering Martz has a ring and been to another show. His resume speaks for itself, but the question I have to ask is why is Millen bringing this guy in anyway??? Shouldnt it be up to a HC to decide what type of O he's going to run, and what coordinator to bring in??? Pulling for the Lions must be like riding a roller coaster ever year, except there's NO UP....strictly downs. What a pathetic franchise.

Easy there, big guy...you're going to give yourself a heart attack over a team you're not even a fan of to begin with. Obviously something about Martz in Detroit has gotten your dander up, but in an effort to calm you down I'll provide a little levity:--Martz is meeting with Marinelli last for two logical reasons: 1) He was in Mobile through the weekend 2) The buck STOPS with him, not STARTS with him. If Millen were doing the hiring, it would be the other way around: Marinelli would first meet with Martz and then he'd have Martz meet with Millen and Millen would say yay or nay.

You're reading a lot of stuff into this that just isn't there. Relax.

THere is absolutely nothing to ##### about in terms of how the Lions have conducted themselves in putting together this staff...they've thusfar compiled the best one out of the 10 teams who needed to do so. But, a lot of people go out of their way to find a reason to call them "pathetic" - which is kind of sad.....there's plenty of valid reasons to do so, but this ain't one of them.

As for the one year and done deal, would that open the door for Marinelli's Son in Law like he wanted in the first place?

If the Lions get Martz, it would be hard to argue against the Lions having the best new coaching staff on paper [limited to OC/DC and HC for the sake of discussion]. But we will really have no idea how all these hires turn out for several years. My guess is one of these groups that looks awful now will surprise and prove themselves quite a solid bunch, whereas one of the more veteran groups will go belly up.

 

[blend]

As for the one year and done deal, would that open the door for Marinelli's Son in Law like he wanted in the first place?

Marinelli's Son In Law was being courted for the DC position.

 

[MSULions]

As for the one year and done deal, would that open the door for Marinelli's Son in Law like he wanted in the first place?

Marinelli's Son In Law was being courted for the DC position.

okay....thanks for the clarification, I couldn't remember.

 

[SoloMatisse]

All a coaching staff that looks good on paper does is buy the guy that organized them a little time until the draft, when the same old mistakes will be made, and the season, when the same 5 or 6 games will be won. Call it what you will, and I respect the optimism, these guys have done nothing AT ALL to merit any excitement from Lions' fans. Personally, it pisses me off, as a non-Lions fan, to know that the architecht of this team not only doesnt have a BS in architecture, but he doesnt even have an ASSOCIATE DEGREE IN CARPENTRY. Marty Morningweg all over again. someone's gotta suck every year.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Again, this is just a rumor as the NFL blackout on announcements began today, but it comes from a guy I've known for a few years on a Lions board who has sources within the NFL. Take it for what it's worth. Just wanted to pass along info as I saw it...If it's true, what a great hire for the Lions IMO...

 

[Horses Mouth]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

 

[Boston]

Does that mean that after Detroit selects a WR in the first round they'll take Eric Crouch in the second?

 

[ILoveMyLions]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

 

[Steelers4Life]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

I'd think that anything that would give Jones more room to run and more scoring opportunities would be a good thing for him.Martz isn't going to have Bulger/Warner, Holt, and Bruce, so I can't see him not depending on the running game a little more than he did in St. Louis.

 

[SammyJankis]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

Is this the same Mike Martz that in his first five years guided Faulk to TD totals of 12, 26, 21, 10 and 11 and yardage totals of 2429, 2189, 2147, 1490 and 1108?Yeah, KJ is doomed.

 

[Boston]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

I'd think that anything that would give Jones more room to run and more scoring opportunities would be a good thing for him.Martz isn't going to have Bulger/Warner, Holt, and Bruce, so I can't see him not depending on the running game a little more than he did in St. Louis.

Martz isn't going to change what he does regardless of the talent he has. For better or worse he's committed to a particular brand of football.

 

[Family Matters]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

Is this the same Mike Martz that in his first five years guided Faulk to TD totals of 12, 26, 21, 10 and 11 and yardage totals of 2429, 2189, 2147, 1490 and 1108?Yeah, KJ is doomed.

I like your thinking except for the part where we are to believe KJ is like Faulk. I like KJ but I do not think he's much like Faulk.Assumming MArtz was hired, he will need to improve the performance of the o-line before any skill players do better.

 

[cosmonaut]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

I'd think that anything that would give Jones more room to run and more scoring opportunities would be a good thing for him.Martz isn't going to have Bulger/Warner, Holt, and Bruce, so I can't see him not depending on the running game a little more than he did in St. Louis.

Martz isn't going to change what he does regardless of the talent he has. For better or worse he's committed to a particular brand of football.

I disagree. I think Martz changed when he became HC. Vermeil was the governor that forced him to run the ball more. And kept that team more effective.Do you see Marinelli telling Martz call whatever you want, whenever you want?

O-Line will be shat compared to St.L, but from a talent and hype level coming into the NFL--I'd take Harrington, Roy, Mike, Chuck over Green/Bulger/Warner, Holt, Bruce. And I'd trust that the guy who made stars out of T.Green and Warner can find another QB with similar skills.

Now to make it complete, all the Lions need is to get the starting RB from Indy on his way out of town to drive the engine...

 

[RTB1]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

Martz isn't going to have Bulger/Warner . . .

Warner was an undrafted unknown, and I don't think Bulger was drafted either. Prior to these guys, Trent Green was a backup gathering dust on Washington's bench, then hit a hot streak with Martz as his OC. Perhaps Martz knows how to find QBs to run his system without spending a high draft pick or signing a big-name free-agent. He's done it three times so far.

 

[Hendo]

heres the real querstion: does anyone think Martz CANT get these guys to play good offensive football? even tho its the dreaded Lions organization i cant but NOT believe he wont do the job with that talent they have there... sorry just cant. now if the team didnt have highly talented skill players thats a different story but no ones gonna convince me he wont up KJ/Williams/Rogers/Williams stats. say other wise but i'm not going to believe Mike Martz cant.

 

[Boston]

what would be the effect on KJ here?

I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.

I'd think that anything that would give Jones more room to run and more scoring opportunities would be a good thing for him.Martz isn't going to have Bulger/Warner, Holt, and Bruce, so I can't see him not depending on the running game a little more than he did in St. Louis.

Martz isn't going to change what he does regardless of the talent he has. For better or worse he's committed to a particular brand of football.

I disagree. I think Martz changed when he became HC. Vermeil was the governor that forced him to run the ball more. And kept that team more effective.Do you see Marinelli telling Martz call whatever you want, whenever you want?

O-Line will be shat compared to St.L, but from a talent and hype level coming into the NFL--I'd take Harrington, Roy, Mike, Chuck over Green/Bulger/Warner, Holt, Bruce. And I'd trust that the guy who made stars out of T.Green and Warner can find another QB with similar skills.

Now to make it complete, all the Lions need is to get the starting RB from Indy on his way out of town to drive the engine...

*Martz didn't change when he became head coach. He ran the offense he wanted to which is an offshot of the Air Coryell offense. He has always been a proponent of that style of offense. *While Martz isn't the head coach it's a waste of time to bring him in and not run the offense he is noted for. Also, I don't see him coming in and than having to change what he does. He's got a huge ego and he's not checking it at the door.

*I strongly disagree about the talent difference between Detroit and the Rams. The Lions are the LA Clippers of the NFL. There's a lot of names but what do they actually accomplish? They have a long way to go before they are anywhere near the complete players Holt and Bruce are/were.

*The Lions have a lot more holes to fill before they spend monster money on a RB. They've been going the big name route the past few years. They'd be better served getting some grinders and hard nosed veterans to make the team tougher.

 

[cosmonaut]

I saw Az Hakim under Martz and I saw Az Hakim in Detroit.I wouldn't doubt that Millen wants to hire Martz partially because he saw what he did with Az versus what Az did in Motown...

 

[Boston]

I saw Az Hakim under Martz and I saw Az Hakim in Detroit.

I wouldn't doubt that Millen wants to hire Martz partially because he saw what he did with Az versus what Az did in Motown...

Az Hakim was a talented/low priced #3 Wr in St. Louis. He was one of many weapons used very effectively and because there were so many weapons defenses could not concentrate on him. In Detroit he was overpaid and asked to do more than he was capable of doing. It didn't matter who his coach was in Detroit he was not suited for the role they wanted him to fill. It was just a piss poor signing and most people saw that the minute that contract was signed.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

If true, it's a great, great hire.End of story. The Lions just might make the Vikes, Bears, and Packers more than a little worried heading into next season.

 

[cosmonaut]

I saw Az Hakim under Martz and I saw Az Hakim in Detroit.

I wouldn't doubt that Millen wants to hire Martz partially because he saw what he did with Az versus what Az did in Motown...

Az Hakim was a talented/low priced #3 Wr in St. Louis. He was one of many weapons used very effectively and because there were so many weapons defenses could not concentrate on him. In Detroit he was overpaid and asked to do more than he was capable of doing. It didn't matter who his coach was in Detroit he was not suited for the role they wanted him to fill. It was just a piss poor signing and most people saw that the minute that contract was signed.

I agree completely. Horrible signing. (1) I think that good coaching involves placing players in positions that they can succeed within their talents & limitations.

(2) Millen has gotten talent for the roster

(3) Millen got fed up with Mooch not doing #1

 

[cosmonaut]

Martz did change as HC.Rams NFL Rank of Pass Attempts / Rush Attempts / Coach97 17 / 17 V98 7 / 28 V99 20 / 16 V00 3 / 26 M01 12 / 22 M02 2 / 18 M03 2 / 28 M04 5 / 30 M05 4 / 29 MIt's not rocket science. The guy likes to pass. When he's in complete control of the O, he doesn't run a balanced offense.

 

[Sam Quentin]

The decline of Faulk and emergence of Holt might have necessitated the change to the pass.I get the feeling that the Rams are gonna suck next year...