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Martz in talks to be Lions OC (1 Viewer)

Great hire for the Lions. He is a great OC. Reminds me a lot of Norv Turner. Brilliant OC, not so brilliant HC.I think he outcoaches himself sometimes, just like Turner.

 
DETROIT — While hundreds of media members were prowling the floor of Ford Field during Super Bowl Media Day festivities Tuesday, former Rams coach Mike Martz was in the same building meeting with Detroit Lions officials.

Martz, who interviewed for the Lions' offensive coordinator position, got more than the nickel tour. He met with team president Matt Millen and the Lions' new head coach, Rod Marinelli. Detroit owner William Clay Ford came down from his office to say hello. Martz even met members of the Lions' public relations staff.

Martz returned to St. Louis on Tuesday evening without a job offer, but that could be subject to change. The Lions apparently told Martz they would get back to him today.

According to league sources, Martz hit it off well with Marinelli, the former Tampa Bay assistant head coach-linebackers coach.

Although Martz originally said he was interested only in working as a head coach in 2006, he later changed his stance to say he would consider working as a coordinator next season if the right situation presented itself. Martz apparently left Detroit on Tuesday with good vibes about the possibility of working with Marinelli and the Lions.

 
Here's an updated link I found this morning...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../602010343/1126

Former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz was interviewed Tuesday by Lions coach Rod Marinelli and there were indications that Martz was close to being hired as the team's new offensive coordinator.

An announcement could be made today. It is expected Martz would receive a one-year contract worth approximately $2 million.

The article goes on but it seems this is quickly coming into place...

 
Here's an updated link I found this morning...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../602010343/1126

Former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz was interviewed Tuesday by Lions coach Rod Marinelli and there were indications that Martz was close to being hired as the team's new offensive coordinator.

An announcement could be made today. It is expected Martz would receive a one-year contract worth approximately $2 million.

The article goes on but it seems this is quickly coming into place...
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This was the report WDFN here in Detroit was reporting this morning.1 year contract??

 
Here's an updated link I found this morning...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../602010343/1126

Former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz was interviewed Tuesday by Lions coach Rod Marinelli and there were indications that Martz was close to being hired as the team's new offensive coordinator.

An announcement could be made today. It is expected Martz would receive a one-year contract worth approximately $2 million.

The article goes on but it seems this is quickly coming into place...
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This was the report WDFN here in Detroit was reporting this morning.1 year contract??
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I like the hiring of Martz. However, this team needs stability. Having an OC come in for 1 year and then leave is the last thing this team needs.I'd rather have Jackson (Bengals WR coach) who might help build something for years to come. Plus he has dealt with immature WR's.

 
Anyone have any idea what Detroit will do at QB?What about Patrick Ramsey? Both Martz and Gibbs run a Coryell variation, so the learning curve may not be too bad. Plus, one reason Gibbs isn't too fond of Ramsey is that Gibbs wants to protect the ball more than take chances. Ramsey is a risk taker in the passing game. He's better suited to take shots than to make several reads and settle for the safe pass. However, Ramsey's big arm and overall style of play may be the kind of guy Martz wants.Just a thought.

 
I like the move despite the obvious negative, which would be Martz leaving after only 1-2 seasons. Maybe, the Lions start getting things right.You let Martz implement the scheme and have him work closely with another great, younger offensive minded coach on your staff. Have Martz teach the other coach and focus on nothing but the offense. Martz is no longer hampered by any responsiblity associated with the HC job and will be allowed to focus on his strength of running an offense, while working on those professional shortcomings that would need to be addressed before he gets another HC job. This keeps Martz in the game and his name in the hat for future HC consideration. Meanwhile, a young Lions team and coach are groomed by a great OC. It is a mutually, self serving signing. Marinelli, hopefully, will be the constant the Lions need and have needed for, oh, 50 plus years. Martz can groom his successor and better prepare himself for his next HC gig.

 
Anyone have any idea what Detroit will do at QB?

What about Patrick Ramsey? Both Martz and Gibbs run a Coryell variation, so the learning curve may not be too bad. Plus, one reason Gibbs isn't too fond of Ramsey is that Gibbs wants to protect the ball more than take chances. Ramsey is a risk taker in the passing game. He's better suited to take shots than to make several reads and settle for the safe pass. However, Ramsey's big arm and overall style of play may be the kind of guy Martz wants.

Just a thought.
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Rumors are Joey more than likely stays and a vet is brought in.Griese (Marinellie ties), Kitna or even the possibility of trading for Schaub have been mentioned.

 
what would be the effect on KJ here?
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I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.
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Is this the same Mike Martz that in his first five years guided Faulk to TD totals of 12, 26, 21, 10 and 11 and yardage totals of 2429, 2189, 2147, 1490 and 1108?Yeah, KJ is doomed. :rolleyes:
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:thumbup: That's exactly what I was thinking.

Martz as a HC :thumbdown:

Martz as a OC :thumbup:

 
heres the real querstion:

does anyone think Martz CANT get these guys to play good offensive football?

even tho its the dreaded Lions organization i cant but NOT believe he wont do the job with that talent they have there... sorry just cant. now if the team didnt have highly talented skill players thats a different story but no ones gonna convince me he wont up KJ/Williams/Rogers/Williams stats.

say other wise but i'm not going to believe Mike Martz cant.
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Your use of double negatives is mind numbing.Martz could fix this offense, if someone could get an O-line together. In St. Louis he had pace to at least help. In Detroit he would have a bunch of swinging gates.....

 
Martz could fix this offense, if someone could get an O-line together. In St. Louis he had pace to at least help. In Detroit he would have a bunch of swinging gates.....
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With the 9th pick, they could help themselves on the OL.
 
So the coach preaches that he wants to run a smashmouth brand of football in his intro press conference, all of the sudden Martz is the OC and they aren't going to run anymore?This does nothing but help the value of every player on the offense, KJ included.

 
They just announced that Martz has officially taken the OC job for the Lions.
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I am listening to Fox Sports Radio and it was just said that Martz has been offered a $1 mil/1 year contract but nothing has been signed or made offical.
 
I like the move despite the obvious negative, which would be Martz leaving after only 1-2 seasons. Maybe, the Lions start getting things right.

You let Martz implement the scheme and have him work closely with another great, younger offensive minded coach on your staff. Have Martz teach the other coach and focus on nothing but the offense. Martz is no longer hampered by any responsiblity associated with the HC job and will be allowed to focus on his strength of running an offense, while working on those professional shortcomings that would need to be addressed before he gets another HC job. This keeps Martz in the game and his name in the hat for future HC consideration. Meanwhile, a young Lions team and coach are groomed by a great OC.

It is a mutually, self serving signing. Marinelli, hopefully, will be the constant the Lions need and have needed for, oh, 50 plus years. Martz can groom his successor and better prepare himself for his next HC gig.
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:goodposting:
 
Martz near deal to join Lions staff Former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz was interviewed Tuesday by Lions coach Rod Marinelli and there were indications that Martz was close to being hired as the team's new offensive coordinator.Originally published in Lions-NFL on 02/01/06.

 
Anyone have any idea what Detroit will do at QB?

What about Patrick Ramsey? Both Martz and Gibbs run a Coryell variation, so the learning curve may not be too bad. Plus, one reason Gibbs isn't too fond of Ramsey is that Gibbs wants to protect the ball more than take chances. Ramsey is a risk taker in the passing game. He's better suited to take shots than to make several reads and settle for the safe pass. However, Ramsey's big arm and overall style of play may be the kind of guy Martz wants.

Just a thought.
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I thought Ramsey tends to hang on to the ball a long time and gets killed in the pocket. This is the type of behavior that led to the demise of Kurt Warner in StL. When Warner first came on from the Arena League, he was super-quick and decisive in getting rid of the ball, but as time went on and people knew to blitz more, he took more and more hits, and he just couldn't get rid of the ball fast enough. This led to even more hits and the problem compounded itself. Thus I wouldn't think Ramsey is a good fit.
 
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I like the move despite the obvious negative, which would be Martz leaving after only 1-2 seasons. Maybe, the Lions start getting things right.

You let Martz implement the scheme and have him work closely with another great, younger offensive minded coach on your staff. Have Martz teach the other coach and focus on nothing but the offense. Martz is no longer hampered by any responsiblity associated with the HC job and will be allowed to focus on his strength of running an offense, while working on those professional shortcomings that would need to be addressed before he gets another HC job. This keeps Martz in the game and his name in the hat for future HC consideration. Meanwhile, a young Lions team and coach are groomed by a great OC.

It is a mutually, self serving signing. Marinelli, hopefully, will be the constant the Lions need and have needed for, oh, 50 plus years. Martz can groom his successor and better prepare himself for his next HC gig.
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NOt good, but great posting. Martz could very well make a profound contribution to this organization as its OC. And he could groom a successor to take over for him next year if he gets offered a HC gig.
 
Here's an updated link I found this morning...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../602010343/1126

Former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz was interviewed Tuesday by Lions coach Rod Marinelli and there were indications that Martz was close to being hired as the team's new offensive coordinator.

An announcement could be made today. It is expected Martz would receive a one-year contract worth approximately $2 million.

The article goes on but it seems this is quickly coming into place...
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This was the report WDFN here in Detroit was reporting this morning.1 year contract??
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I like the hiring of Martz. However, this team needs stability. Having an OC come in for 1 year and then leave is the last thing this team needs.I'd rather have Jackson (Bengals WR coach) who might help build something for years to come. Plus he has dealt with immature WR's.
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I agree. :goodposting: Payne.
 
what would be the effect on KJ here?
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I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.
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Is this the same Mike Martz that in his first five years guided Faulk to TD totals of 12, 26, 21, 10 and 11 and yardage totals of 2429, 2189, 2147, 1490 and 1108?Yeah, KJ is doomed. :rolleyes:
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I like your thinking except for the part where we are to believe KJ is like Faulk. I like KJ but I do not think he's much like Faulk.Assumming MArtz was hired, he will need to improve the performance of the o-line before any skill players do better.
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Not suggesting that "KJ = Faulk in his prime" in any way shape or form. Just disputing the notion that "Martz = good for QB/WR & bad for RBs".For the record, I think KJ will be a monster with Martz as OC.*

* = Caveat being "if he stays healthy". As any Deshaun Foster/Lee Suggs/Chris Brown owner can tell you, this can be a deal breaker.

 
Anyone have any idea what Detroit will do at QB?

What about Patrick Ramsey? Both Martz and Gibbs run a Coryell variation, so the learning curve may not be too bad. Plus, one reason Gibbs isn't too fond of Ramsey is that Gibbs wants to protect the ball more than take chances. Ramsey is a risk taker in the passing game. He's better suited to take shots than to make several reads and settle for the safe pass. However, Ramsey's big arm and overall style of play may be the kind of guy Martz wants.

Just a thought.
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I thought Ramsey tends to hang on to the ball a long time and gets killed in the pocket. This is the type of behavior that led to the demise of Kurt Warner in StL. When Warner first came on from the Arena League, he was super-quick and decisive in getting rid of the ball, but as time went on and people knew to blitz more, he took more and more hits, and he just couldn't get rid of the ball fast enough. This led to even more hits and the problem compounded itself. Thus I wouldn't think Ramsey is a good fit.
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Good points. Although, most of Ramsey's playing days have been with WR that simply aren't open. He probably held on to the ball longer because he had nowhere to throw it. He looked pretty good those three games he had a healthy Laveraneus Coles, but he probably didn't have a WR regularly open downfield the rest of his career.For some reason, I just think Martz would be good for Ramsey. But, I guess that doesn't mean Ramsey would be good for Martz.

 
Rod Marinelli spoke to a large room of media at 1:30-2 p.m. and said he has spoken with Mike Martz extensively, but he is not the Lions offensive coordintor. The interview process is still going on, and Marinelli says he wants to be thorough in the interview process and make sure he's right for the team.Marinelli also raved about the Rams yards per carry average, and said Martz' teams were power teams because of the way they used the motion tight end.

 
heres the real querstion:

does anyone think Martz CANT get these guys to play good offensive football?

even tho its the dreaded Lions organization i cant but NOT believe he wont do the job with that talent they have there... sorry just cant. now if the team didnt have highly talented skill players thats a different story but no ones gonna convince me he wont up KJ/Williams/Rogers/Williams stats.

say other wise but i'm not going to believe Mike Martz cant.
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Your use of double negatives is mind numbing.Martz could fix this offense, if someone could get an O-line together. In St. Louis he had pace to at least help. In Detroit he would have a bunch of swinging gates.....
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:lmao: "I can't but NOT think he won't but shouldn't try to NOT do what couldn't not be done...."

 
Clayton is reporting its actually a multi-year deal, and he's bringing three assistants with him!

Mike Martz is wrapping up a multi-year contract with the Lions to be their offensive coordinator.The job was offered on Wednesday and Martz told his agent to work out a deal. The former Rams coach hit it off immediately during his Tuesday interview with head coach Rod Marinelli. Martz may be asked to break down quarterback Joey Harrington and try to build him back up as a starting quarterback. That may be hard to do because Harrington probably has lost his team for leadership. If management feels as though Harrington can no longer be the leader, the organization will have to go out and get another quarterback.Marinelli is giving Martz a lot of authority with the offense. With him, Martz is bringing three coaches from the Rams -- John Ramsdell for quarterbacks, Wilbert Montgomery for running backs and Pat Carter for tight ends. It's a smart move because Marinelli can concentrate on the defense while Martz works on the offense. That should make a good team. One of the things Marinelli liked about Mike Martz' offense is how he constructs his running attack. Martz is known to run more of a pass-oriented offense, but Marinelli studied and liked many of his running concepts. Marinelli wants power running. He likes the way Martz' "two-back lead" plays. Martz is big into motion and he can motion into power running formations. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...n_john#20060131
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Clayton is reporting its actually a multi-year deal, and he's bringing three assistants with him!

Mike Martz is wrapping up a multi-year contract with the Lions to be their offensive coordinator.

The job was offered on Wednesday and Martz told his agent to work out a deal. The former Rams coach hit it off immediately during his Tuesday interview with head coach Rod Marinelli. Martz may be asked to break down quarterback Joey Harrington and try to build him back up as a starting quarterback. That may be hard to do because Harrington probably has lost his team for leadership. If management feels as though Harrington can no longer be the leader, the organization will have to go out and get another quarterback.

Marinelli is giving Martz a lot of authority with the offense. With him, Martz is bringing three coaches from the Rams -- John Ramsdell for quarterbacks, Wilbert Montgomery for running backs and Pat Carter for tight ends. It's a smart move because Marinelli can concentrate on the defense while Martz works on the offense. That should make a good team. One of the things Marinelli liked about Mike Martz' offense is how he constructs his running attack. Martz is known to run more of a pass-oriented offense, but Marinelli studied and liked many of his running concepts. Marinelli wants power running. He likes the way Martz' "two-back lead" plays. Martz is big into motion and he can motion into power running formations.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...n_john#20060131
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It's getting more and more difficult for the Lion bashers on this board to keep bashing this hire. Utterly brilliant.

What a coup.

 
what would be the effect on KJ here?
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I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.
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Is this the same Mike Martz that in his first five years guided Faulk to TD totals of 12, 26, 21, 10 and 11 and yardage totals of 2429, 2189, 2147, 1490 and 1108?Yeah, KJ is doomed. :rolleyes:
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Doomed when he's fine china and can't play past week 6.
 
this will ridiculously raise the value of all the skill Lions players come draft day... i can see it now :eek:

 
what would be the effect on KJ here?
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I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.
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Last year Kevin Jones rushed for 664 yards adn 5 Td's. He had 20 receptions for 109yds and zero Td's.That was without Martz..............so you think Martz will hurt his overall value when he's putting up these kind of numbers without him?

 
what would be the effect on KJ here?
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I think it would hurt his value somewhat. Martz isn't known for running the ball as we all know. I think this bumps up Joey and the trio of WRs if it's true.
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Last year Kevin Jones rushed for 664 yards adn 5 Td's. He had 20 receptions for 109yds and zero Td's.That was without Martz..............so you think Martz will hurt his overall value when he's putting up these kind of numbers without him?
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You make a valid point. I guess I was thinking of it in terms of what his overall value could be longterm. With a different coordinator, it could be better than what it likely will be under Martz. However, his numbers will defintely increase from the poor overall totals from last year. I don't see a repeat of the production he had his rookie year the last 8 games.
 
Well...now it is being reported that it's not a done deal. ESPN perhaps "jumped the gun" as a deal is not officially in place and may not be as details are being leaked. Stay tuned.

 
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/rams
2:25 p.m. Thursday update:Not so fast on those Mike Martz-to-Detroit headlines.This afternoon, Martz told Jim Thomas of the Post-Dispatch that he will not take the job as the Lions' offensive coordinator under new head coach Rod Marinelli.The Post-Dispatch and other media outlets reported Wednesday that Martz had accepted the Lions' offer to join the coaching staff, but that contract terms had not been completed.Martz told Thomas today, "We couldn't come to an agreement on terms. I really do feel bad . . . but we just couldn't get on the same page."For now, the former head coach of the Rams plans to return to his hometown of San Diego and will sit out next football season.He recently sold his house in Chesterfield.
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UGH UGH UGH :wall: :wall: :wall:
 
seems he wanted twice as much money as they were willing to pay them....last I heard it's rather rare for an OC to make more than the headcoach ;)

 
seems he wanted twice as much money as they were willing to pay them....last I heard it's rather rare for an OC to make more than the headcoach ;)
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According to this ESPN article... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2316815

By Wednesday evening, there were indications that problems had arisen in discussions, and those whispers grew considerably louder on Thursday morning, when a Lions team official told ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli that the odds of Martz coming aboard had diminished.

A source said Martz was seeking a three-year contract that averaged just under $1.5 million a year, Mortensen reported. Martz's agent, Bob LaMonte, met with Lions officials Thursday afternoon at the Lions' facility in suburban Detroit before talks broke off.
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Less than 1.5 per year... I think I saw that Marinelli was making 2 mil per.I really hope that wasn't the issue with signing Martz.

 
NO AGREEMENT... MARTZ TO SIT OUT '06

Mike Martz and the Detroit Lions could not reach an agreement on contracual terms.

Coach Martz had hoped to work with Lions head coach Rod Marinelli however has passed on the opportunity to assume duties as assistant head coach/offensive coordinator.

While both Oakland and Detroit remain interested in Martz... it appears he will sit out the 2006 NFL season

http://www.hadleyonsports.com/getReport_af...151327&size=595

 
It's been all over ESPN Radio as well that the talks has stopped because of contract disputs.

 
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I wouldn't count this marriage out just yet. The HC wants Martz there and should make a pitch to management to get him there. Martz would be a great fit for this team, Detroit should do what is right for the first time in history and pony up some money to get this guy.

 
I wouldn't count this marriage out just yet. The HC wants Martz there and should make a pitch to management to get him there. Martz would be a great fit for this team, Detroit should do what is right for the first time in history and pony up some money to get this guy.
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Speculation is that it's not a $$ issue, but rather a term issue. Matz would not commit to a deal beyond one or two years, while Lions don't want an OC that walks out after a year.EDIT: Just read the other thread... maybe it is a $$ issue. That's what I get for listening to 1130. :bag:

According to this ESPN article...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2316815
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