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"Mass Casualty Event" in Las Vegas (1 Viewer)
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Yesterday there were people in this thread speculating that the "real shooters" grabbed this guy off the casino floor, shot from his room, then killed him and got away. Guess they made him go to all those gun stores and buy all the guns, too.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Just so I understand your argument. You are telling me that the dictionary definition of terrorism is incorrect because you believe there is no universal agreement on the term. After saying there is no universal agreement you are upset that the media doesnt completely agree with you and call this terrorism?
Do I have that correct?
ffldrew
Footballguy
I took the second one to mean that he was being overrun by injured people needing a "take" a ride to hospital
Chaka
Footballguy
Not at all. I was honestly asking why it isn't being called one. You gave me a good response, which I noted as such.
However it is also fair to note that the definition you gave is not considered universal. I am merely questioning why and looking for honest answers, nothing more.
The fact that I have no problem calling it a terrorist attack is not the point at all, I have no expectation that everyone/anyone agree with me.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Also this picture of comments from the pro-Trump subreddit may give you an insight into the conspiracy minded among the right.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
First thread in the politics sub forum - search within the thread for "terrorism" and you'll find plenty to reply to. Or start your own thread in the forum. This thread should be about the facts.
P.S. It's probably a threadworthy topic, but it definitely belongs in the politics sub forum. It's a worthy debate to have
Chaka
Footballguy
I didn't come here to fight so I will consider walking away. But I don't like trying to define this thread as a safe space.Tiger Fan said:First thread in the politics sub forum - search within the thread for "terrorism" and you'll find plenty to reply to. Or start your own thread in the forum. This thread should be about the facts.
P.S. It's probably a threadworthy topic, but it definitely belongs in the politics sub forum. It's a worthy debate to have
IC FBGCav
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
A music draft just got shut down because of three (maybe in poor taste, but no worse than PG) jokes that were over Joe's line. Use that as your benchmark.
jplvr
Footballguy
lol at "safe space"
I'm dropping it. Feel free to post whatever and I guess if the mods think it belongs elsewhere, they can jump in.
jplvr
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/915176903518097408
There's another somewhere, possibly on that same Twitter. Carpet matches the other and the one with the shooter. Also, Fox had a video of some guy reporting he stayed in that room during the same concert last year, and it looked like the same carpet to me.
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Billy Bats
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Wait, there's still an :e:? I thought it went away years ago. PM me a link? Google has no knowledge of its location.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, I get it already. This is where we talk about news like what kind of guns they were, because that is somehow important to know. Maybe to help people to prepare for, I don't know, future discussions about gun control.
Carry on.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/21815/cbs-exec-no-sympathy-vegas-victims-because-country-emily-zanotti#exit-modal
This woman lives like 10 blocks from me... She originally posted the messages on a mom's group that my wife is on, it was then forwarded to other places, made the rounds, & went viral.
Anyways, her kids go to a neighboring school as mine (luckily not the same one) and it is being monitored by cops and there is law enforcement parked in front of her house too due to death threats... I'd bet if her social feeds were public (which they're not) you could def find a lot of anti-cop rhetoric on it, until now, when she is hysterical and needs them.
Honestly, the comments from this woman are despicable, her apology afterwards is only due to the consequences, not the initial feeling which I'd bet she still has.
If I ever come across her, I def will speak my opinion that she is an awful human being.
This woman lives like 10 blocks from me... She originally posted the messages on a mom's group that my wife is on, it was then forwarded to other places, made the rounds, & went viral.
Anyways, her kids go to a neighboring school as mine (luckily not the same one) and it is being monitored by cops and there is law enforcement parked in front of her house too due to death threats... I'd bet if her social feeds were public (which they're not) you could def find a lot of anti-cop rhetoric on it, until now, when she is hysterical and needs them.
Honestly, the comments from this woman are despicable, her apology afterwards is only due to the consequences, not the initial feeling which I'd bet she still has.
If I ever come across her, I def will speak my opinion that she is an awful human being.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
There was another woman who didn't receive the same publicity and is receiving threats on her Yelp or FB page, she is a photographer too... They're posting on this mom's forum (it is a private forum, FYI, prob about 4-5k members, but invite only) asking for mom's to back them up on Yelp, FB, etc...
I told my wife to lay into this #####... When Real Housewives of Brooklyn Heights Battle.
I honestly can't wait to get home and read all of the banter on their forum.
I told my wife to lay into this #####... When Real Housewives of Brooklyn Heights Battle.
I honestly can't wait to get home and read all of the banter on their forum.
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
Let it go man
Hug your kids, go outside with them for a walk or ice cream and don't feed into that type of negativity
Just let it go
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
It has nothing to do with the kids... But regardless, you're prob right - nonetheless, I'm still excited to see what these women are writing and fighting about.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
culdeus
Footballguy
Automatic fire mods can melt down barrels very fast as well as cause jams. Sadly, he may have learned this lesson from the movie theater shooting.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
So he was swapping guns quite a bit? It makes perfect sense that he would. I just haven’t seen it mentioned in any of the news stories.
culdeus
Footballguy
From the audio in the real time videos you can hear the different sounds from the guns. From reddit it seems he started with the AK, moved to a bump fired 223, then later a 308.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
They all take the coward's way out... Mainly because they're cowards that need soft easy targets.
I'd love to understand the psychology behind James Holmes, being he is one of the only ones that didn't take his own life. He's obviously still a coward, but maybe there is something there that can be used to help the mental health aspect in the future in terms of prevention... IDK.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Man, I got sucked down the rabbit hole at reddit conspiracy. Lots of crazy theories, but none that hold much weight.
This is kinda interesting, it was posted back in early September about an upcoming attack in Vegas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/73ylpu/4chan_user_calls_out_attack_weeks_before_it/?st=j8bx3kte&sh=3e3a27b8
This is kinda interesting, it was posted back in early September about an upcoming attack in Vegas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/73ylpu/4chan_user_calls_out_attack_weeks_before_it/?st=j8bx3kte&sh=3e3a27b8
GoBirds
Footballguy
I can't remember if it's Showtime or HBO but there is a series specific to these attacks and he is episode 1. I switched the channel as it was disturbing but it has his psychiatric meetings from what I got. Maybe someone watched and could speak to it.
Ned
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Footage of the actual room the shooter was in, taken by a guy named Jeff Bridges who stayed in it last year. The video ends pointing directly down at the festival grounds for a perfect view of the shooters POV.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2147881778570842&id=100000471226838&_rdr
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2147881778570842&id=100000471226838&_rdr
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
I've been arguing with conspiracy whackos on /r/Conspiracy for over an hour. I should really just back away, but it is so hard. I just don't get these people. I enjoy conspiracy theories myself, but how do you leap past the loads of obvious flaws to some of the things they believe?
I'm currently trying to explain to someone that, no, Mandalay Bay does not have floor to ceiling windows on the 10th floor that fully open and close with no balcony, and that it is unlikely that someone removed/replaced/fixed a window pane in the middle of the night with thousands of police, first responders, civilians, reporters, and cameras nearby.
They're also pretty focused on the fact that a security guard was shot in the leg on the 32nd floor and that this implies there were more shooters who got away. I'll admit that this is the weirdest part of the event so far, but the "official" story is that the guard was shot through the door of the suite and I just saw a picture on The Daily Mail that shows like 20+ exit bullet holes in one of the suite doors, so I'm going to say that story checks out for me.
I'm currently trying to explain to someone that, no, Mandalay Bay does not have floor to ceiling windows on the 10th floor that fully open and close with no balcony, and that it is unlikely that someone removed/replaced/fixed a window pane in the middle of the night with thousands of police, first responders, civilians, reporters, and cameras nearby.
They're also pretty focused on the fact that a security guard was shot in the leg on the 32nd floor and that this implies there were more shooters who got away. I'll admit that this is the weirdest part of the event so far, but the "official" story is that the guard was shot through the door of the suite and I just saw a picture on The Daily Mail that shows like 20+ exit bullet holes in one of the suite doors, so I'm going to say that story checks out for me.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
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Insoxicated
Seems like in every video there is some obnoxious chick saying stupid #### nonstop.... jesus.
jplvr
Footballguy
I've spent a large portion of my day trying to convince a guy that curtains move out of the way and back again. He cannot figure out why there are curtains blowing in the wind in pictures and video from yesterday and today, and from the back side, they don't look like the pictures showing the front.I've been arguing with conspiracy whackos on /r/Conspiracy for over an hour. I should really just back away, but it is so hard. I just don't get these people. I enjoy conspiracy theories myself, but how do you leap past the loads of obvious flaws to some of the things they believe?
I'm currently trying to explain to someone that, no, Mandalay Bay does not have floor to ceiling windows on the 10th floor that fully open and close with no balcony, and that it is unlikely that someone removed/replaced/fixed a window pane in the middle of the night with thousands of police, first responders, civilians, reporters, and cameras nearby.
They're also pretty focused on the fact that a security guard was shot in the leg on the 32nd floor and that this implies there were more shooters who got away. I'll admit that this is the weirdest part of the event so far, but the "official" story is that the guard was shot through the door of the suite and I just saw a picture on The Daily Mail that shows like 20+ exit bullet holes in one of the suite doors, so I'm going to say that story checks out for me.
Here are more pics from the room:
http://i.imgur.com/fmKbxk2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pyju7Nh.jpg
Notice in the second. I count 14 mags neatly stacked, which makes me think they were still loaded. Hundreds of rounds. I still think he shot himself after the security guard, thinking he was about to get overrun. I think someone first mentioned that here.
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