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"Mass Casualty Event" in Las Vegas (4 Viewers)
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Remember there were also reports of shootings at Tropicana and other hotels. Police had to investigate those as well.
Still curious to how those calls came in. Just observers calling in wrong info in the confusion? I know some of the concert goers ran into Tropicana to escape so maybe folks just misunderstood?
T J
Footballguy
Time out. Is this saying that a police office was outside the guy's room as he was shooting up a crowd and instead of kicking the door in or whatever, he went to the stairwell to wait for the SWAT team?
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Billy Bats
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If SWAT is onsite is a hotel security guard going to be knocking on the door or let the big boys handle it if they’re there? Was that timeline confirmed or is it all just speculation? Agreeing with the original thought that it seemed like a long time before first shots fired to when swat got there and he didn’t do more damage during that 72 minutes. Would make more sense that hotel security showed up long before swat when the guard was hit.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Just horrible. How did conversations with kids go last night?
I tried to talk to mine but they didn't have a lot to say. I'll see if they want to talk more tonight. You know kids have to be pretty freaked out by all this.
I tried to talk to mine but they didn't have a lot to say. I'll see if they want to talk more tonight. You know kids have to be pretty freaked out by all this.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It was more than an hour later before officers breached the suspect's room at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino and found he'd committed suicide. SWAT officers used a device to enter room 135 on the 32nd floor of the hotel, where shooter Stephen Paddock was holed up with a cache of at least 19 weapons. He had a perfect view of the concert and the thousands in attendance when he opened fire. He then took his own life.
Here's how the shooting unfolded and how officers responded taken from radio traffic:
10:08 p.m.: Paddock starts his rampage. The first reports of gunfire come in when an officer reports "shots fired" and says it "sounds like an automatic firearm."
10:14 p.m.: An officer reports that he is in the Mandalay on the 31st floor and can hear automatic gunfire from "one floor above us." Another officer advises others to take cover as reports of victims start to stream in.
10:17 p.m.: As officers continue to give updates on the wounded, an officer radios they need to find the suspect. "We can’t worry about victims. We need to stop the shooter before we have more victims. Anybody have eyes on the shooter?" an officer asks over the radio.
Dispatchers are also told an officer has been shot.
"We have multiple, multiple victims. Shots fired right outside the medical tent. We got one shot in the head," a distraught officer says.
In response, another official radios: "Hey officers, please stay calm. We’re trying to get this set up. OK. Just stay calm."
10:18 p.m.: Officers ask the hotel to shut down the elevator in the Mandalay so the suspect cannot leave.
10:19 p.m.: A team of four officers makes their way into the hotel up to the 32nd floor. It's unclear if the shooting is still going on.
10:21 p.m.: An out-of-breath officer yells over the radio: "Gunshot wounds to the chest and head. We need immediate medical!"
Another officer says police are still taking fire from a very high floor in the hotel and tells other responding officers where not to go. "Every officer who comes up is going to be a target if they're driving on Las Vegas Boulevard," he says.
10:23 p.m.: False reports start to flood dispatchers, as witnesses tell officers there could have been three shooters.
10:24 p.m.: An officer whispers over the radio that he is in the stairwell on the 32nd floor. The gunshots appeared to be coming from room 135.
10:25 p.m.: Dispatchers call for SWAT to help as officers set up outside the suspect's room.
10:26 p.m.: Officers find a security guard was shot in the hallway outside the suspect's room. They ask for backup. "He's shot into the hallway and hit a security guard," the officer said.
10:28 p.m.: An officer reports concertgoers are getting into patrol vehicles and trying to grab shotguns.
10:31 p.m.: Officers are asking for a description of the shooter but one is not broadcast. One official reports that an officer has been shot in the neck.
10:37 p.m.: SWAT officers are reportedly moving up to the 32nd floor to help officers.
10:38 p.m.: Officers say they haven't heard gunfire in about 10 minutes. One officer gets in an elevated position with a rifle to keep a medical triage area safe near the hotel.
There is confusion over what floor the shooter is on and whether there would be multiple gunmen. Officers start clearing multiple floors.
10:44 p.m.: Making the situation worse, scared concertgoers tried taking police vehicles that were parked near the venue. "I need some more units here. I’m being overtaken by citizens trying to take patrol cars," one officer reports over the radio.
10:54 p.m.: Officers report they've cleared many areas in the hotel and casino.
10:55 p.m.: One officer says he was on floor 32 and was readying to make entry.
"You need to be careful" one officer remarks. "...Are you with the SWAT guy?"
The officer says he is not with SWAT and is told to instead wait.
10:57 p.m.: Officers have locked down the hallway outside the gunman's room. I have “multiple rifles and plenty of officers,” an officer says over the radio.
The next 20 minutes are filled with confusion as false reports of additional shootings and a possible bomb threat pour in from all of the neighboring casinos. Officers are worried that the other reported shootings could be a diversion, but teams are sent to check out each potential threat.
Here's how the shooting unfolded and how officers responded taken from radio traffic:
10:08 p.m.: Paddock starts his rampage. The first reports of gunfire come in when an officer reports "shots fired" and says it "sounds like an automatic firearm."
10:14 p.m.: An officer reports that he is in the Mandalay on the 31st floor and can hear automatic gunfire from "one floor above us." Another officer advises others to take cover as reports of victims start to stream in.
10:17 p.m.: As officers continue to give updates on the wounded, an officer radios they need to find the suspect. "We can’t worry about victims. We need to stop the shooter before we have more victims. Anybody have eyes on the shooter?" an officer asks over the radio.
Dispatchers are also told an officer has been shot.
"We have multiple, multiple victims. Shots fired right outside the medical tent. We got one shot in the head," a distraught officer says.
In response, another official radios: "Hey officers, please stay calm. We’re trying to get this set up. OK. Just stay calm."
10:18 p.m.: Officers ask the hotel to shut down the elevator in the Mandalay so the suspect cannot leave.
10:19 p.m.: A team of four officers makes their way into the hotel up to the 32nd floor. It's unclear if the shooting is still going on.
10:21 p.m.: An out-of-breath officer yells over the radio: "Gunshot wounds to the chest and head. We need immediate medical!"
Another officer says police are still taking fire from a very high floor in the hotel and tells other responding officers where not to go. "Every officer who comes up is going to be a target if they're driving on Las Vegas Boulevard," he says.
10:23 p.m.: False reports start to flood dispatchers, as witnesses tell officers there could have been three shooters.
10:24 p.m.: An officer whispers over the radio that he is in the stairwell on the 32nd floor. The gunshots appeared to be coming from room 135.
10:25 p.m.: Dispatchers call for SWAT to help as officers set up outside the suspect's room.
10:26 p.m.: Officers find a security guard was shot in the hallway outside the suspect's room. They ask for backup. "He's shot into the hallway and hit a security guard," the officer said.
10:28 p.m.: An officer reports concertgoers are getting into patrol vehicles and trying to grab shotguns.
10:31 p.m.: Officers are asking for a description of the shooter but one is not broadcast. One official reports that an officer has been shot in the neck.
10:37 p.m.: SWAT officers are reportedly moving up to the 32nd floor to help officers.
10:38 p.m.: Officers say they haven't heard gunfire in about 10 minutes. One officer gets in an elevated position with a rifle to keep a medical triage area safe near the hotel.
There is confusion over what floor the shooter is on and whether there would be multiple gunmen. Officers start clearing multiple floors.
10:44 p.m.: Making the situation worse, scared concertgoers tried taking police vehicles that were parked near the venue. "I need some more units here. I’m being overtaken by citizens trying to take patrol cars," one officer reports over the radio.
10:54 p.m.: Officers report they've cleared many areas in the hotel and casino.
10:55 p.m.: One officer says he was on floor 32 and was readying to make entry.
"You need to be careful" one officer remarks. "...Are you with the SWAT guy?"
The officer says he is not with SWAT and is told to instead wait.
10:57 p.m.: Officers have locked down the hallway outside the gunman's room. I have “multiple rifles and plenty of officers,” an officer says over the radio.
The next 20 minutes are filled with confusion as false reports of additional shootings and a possible bomb threat pour in from all of the neighboring casinos. Officers are worried that the other reported shootings could be a diversion, but teams are sent to check out each potential threat.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
And at that point they had no idea how many people were in that suite - for all they knew it was 10 nutjobs.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Seems plausible. The timeline above says that first call of shots fired is at 10:08 then no shots heard for ten minutes at 10:38. which fits him shooting for about 20 minutes. Seems like he offed himself pretty quickly after first contact with security. Most likely kept the death toll down as well.
pantherclub
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Yes. He does. I can see it now. "Thats what he signed on for" .
Probably would whine too if the guy was out of bullets and attacked with a knife and the officer shot him. "Couldnt you have just used a taser?"
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Sabertooth
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Jobber
Footballguy
The thing is, however, that it has been shown time and again as soon a the cops show, these ####### always kill themselves. Which, going by the rough timeline above, this guy may have done just that after hotel security arrived.
If I'm not mistaken, police procedure now for school shootings is to rush in, immediately, even if it's just a single officer.
I'm not sure its fair to categorize a hotel security guard in the same vein as a police officer. That being said, it appears that just the security guard showing up seemed to potentially save a bunch of lives.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I would think the reasoning there is two-fold. One, it's a bunch of kids and they can't take care of themselves and we typically value the life of a kid over an adult. Second, it seems unlikely that multiple shooters could get in to a school together so the likelihood of having a 1-on-1 confrontation is much greater.
T J
Footballguy
Ya, I guess I do if he knows the guy is actively shooting into a huge crowd of people. Easy to say in retrospect I know, but ya, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think he could have done something.
T J
Footballguy
No - I'm all for police using lethal force. You and I agree on damn near everything on here. I'm going to assume you have me confused with someone else.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think counting on a deranged lunatic to act according to a pattern like that is beyond foolish.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Jobber
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I really wish people that have almost no familiarity with Vegas would stop posting stupid conspiracy theories on facebook.
Other people didn't have to be involved. This guy isn't the fall guy. It would not be hard to get tons of rifles into your hotel room and get this set up. Vegas security isn't a bunch of psychic ninjas. There are no cameras in the rooms.
Other people didn't have to be involved. This guy isn't the fall guy. It would not be hard to get tons of rifles into your hotel room and get this set up. Vegas security isn't a bunch of psychic ninjas. There are no cameras in the rooms.
Chaka
Footballguy
How is politics not involved when people won't even have a discussion about our national obsession with guns and the consequences of same when it is directly related to this tragedy?
"It's inappropriate to talk about gun legislation in the aftermath of such a terrible tragedy."
Same thing happened last month.
"It's inappropriate about climate change in the aftermath of such terrible tragedies in Florida, Texas, Puerto Rico."
The denial of political responsibility/influence in these events is entirely political.
Chaka
Footballguy
I know the search feature in these forums is terrible so maybe it didn't capture my query.
But 16 pages, 600 replies and no one has called this a terrorist attack? Can that be right or is it just the search function?
Why isn't this being treated as a terrorist attack? What is the hesitation in so many corners of our society and our "leadership" with calling white American terrorists, terrorists?
But 16 pages, 600 replies and no one has called this a terrorist attack? Can that be right or is it just the search function?
Why isn't this being treated as a terrorist attack? What is the hesitation in so many corners of our society and our "leadership" with calling white American terrorists, terrorists?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Sounds like a good topic to start in the politics forum then.
Most people in here would prefer a discussion on news, information and sympathy instead of what would eventually become a thread of each side slinging crap at each other
Chaka
Footballguy
I didn't single out anyone, sorry you feel that way. And, no, I won't take this elsewhere when that is exactly the problem I am talking about. "Don't talk about it here because..." why exactly? Part of this discussion is trying to figure out how it happened and what we can do to prevent it from happening in the future.
People are talking about increasing security, why not also discuss other options?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Terrorism is almost always associated with a political group, organization, foreign nation, etc.
Just look up the definition.
Otherwise you could call pretty much any brutal crime terrorism.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Because then people who want news on the actual shooting and the events that took place have to wade through 20 pages of pro-gun and anti-gun rhetoric to read the latest news. We're not telling you to stifle your opinion, just to keep this thread to the facts about this news event and not dive into the gun control debate. That's all. I don't venture over there, but I think there's already a thread too.
Chaka
Footballguy
This isn't a news website, it's a discussion forum.
You want news? Go watch the news.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I literally googled terrorism and that was the dictionary definition that came up. I am not sure what you are trying to say. When most people think of "terrorism" that is what they think of.
If this guy had left behind some manifesto and was tied to some crazy group, I would agree with you.
Look at Mcveigh. He is called a terrorist.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
There's a precedent for this man. It's nothing new.
It's a discussion forum. You're right. In a discussion forum, there are threads with specific topics. This one says "'Mass Casualty Event' in Las Vegas."
THIS one is called "***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE***"
Which one do you think is more relevant to discuss gun control in?
That's my only point...I'm not telling you not to post or talk about it. Just that, knowing the volatility of the topic, please keep it to the right threads because once you stir up that hornets nest, there's no place for people who want to read the latest on the events to go...and please don't be trite and tell me to go "watch the news," because a lot of us get a lot of really relevant news HERE.
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Here's a Huffington Post (I know....I know) article on how the government views terrorism in it's strictest definition. I don't think anyone would disagree with your second sentence....but this is not the thread to discuss it (theres one in the political forum)
ArbyMelt
Footballguy
Believe or not some people come here to get the news quick instead of watching hours of TV waiting for something new, or wading through Twitter.
I agree with this sentiment as well but JB came in early and squashed any discussion of speculation on the event.
Quint
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
There it is again.
Also you forgot the link.
Also 2.0, I have no issue with Huffington Post.
Chaka
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
What are the current conspiracy theories out there right now?
Chaka
Footballguy
I'm not speculating on his motivation in the least.
If @Joe Bryant doesn't want me to mention gun control or whether or not we should classify this lunatic as a terrorist I have no problem complying. I think he is familiar enough with me after 10 years, and lord knows how many posts to know, I am not a troll.
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