Maybe Brohm and Woodson go 1-2 in next year's draft (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Woodson of Kentucky throws a 57 yd td with 39 seconds left to defteat Louisville 40-34. Two great QBs put on a classic tonight on ESPN classic.

Edited to add that both Brohm and Woodson played well, but I'm not trying to say they both put on the best show ever. It was a classic game however.

Woodson 30/46 270 yds 4 tds and 0 ints. Brohm 28/43 for 369 yds 2 tds and 1 int

 

[dparker713]

Brohm was not good at all in this game, and Louisville in general played flat. Can't say that I was overly impressed with Woodson today either.

 

[JohnnyU]

Brohm was not good at all in this game, and Louisville in general played flat. Can't say that I was overly impressed with Woodson today either.

Are you kidding me? Woodson 30/46 270 yds 4 tds and 0 ints. Brohm 28/43 for 369 yds 2 tds and 1 int. Not all-time great games from both QBs, but pretty damn good. Plus they both came up big when their team needed it.

 

[jeter23]

Calling it now...

With the first pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Andre Woodson

With the second pick in the 2008 NFL draft the Dallas Cowboys select Darren McFadden

 

[mad sweeney]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

 

[JohnnyU]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

 

[dparker713]

Brohm was not good at all in this game, and Louisville in general played flat. Can't say that I was overly impressed with Woodson today either.

Are you kidding me? Woodson 30/46 270 yds 4 tds and 0 ints. Brohm 28/43 for 369 yds 2 tds and 1 int. Not all-time great games from both QBs, but pretty damn good. Plus they both came up big when their team needed it.

Louisville had their biggest problems stopping the UK running game, not the passing game. Woodson was high and then low all night and rarely hit receivers in stride. 5.87 ypa is hardly a great game, despite the yards, especially when several interceptions were flat out dropped.Fact is, neither defense displayed all that much talent, and both QBs generally had plenty of time. Brohm was getting man to man the entire first quarter and kept missing his throws. And that fade pass at the end, uggh. When Brohm faces Rutgers and Cincinatti, we'll see how he does under pressure - last year he didnt do that well.

 

[ThinGrayLine]

Woodson may not have set the world on fire tonight, but he was solid. He set the SEC record for most consecutive completions without an interception tonight, so that speaks well of him.

 

[JohnnyU]

Brohm was not good at all in this game, and Louisville in general played flat. Can't say that I was overly impressed with Woodson today either.

Are you kidding me? Woodson 30/46 270 yds 4 tds and 0 ints. Brohm 28/43 for 369 yds 2 tds and 1 int. Not all-time great games from both QBs, but pretty damn good. Plus they both came up big when their team needed it.

Louisville had their biggest problems stopping the UK running game, not the passing game. Woodson was high and then low all night and rarely hit receivers in stride. 5.87 ypa is hardly a great game, despite the yards, especially when several interceptions were flat out dropped.Fact is, neither defense displayed all that much talent, and both QBs generally had plenty of time. Brohm was getting man to man the entire first quarter and kept missing his throws. And that fade pass at the end, uggh. When Brohm faces Rutgers and Cincinatti, we'll see how he does under pressure - last year he didnt do that well.

UK could kick Cincy's a-r-s-e, so I don't know why you make it sound as if they are special. You are correct that Brohm did miss some throws. Woodson looked better than Brohm tonight IMO. Like I said, neither were all-time greats tonight, but both were good, and both came up big when their team needed it.

 

[dparker713]

Brohm was not good at all in this game, and Louisville in general played flat. Can't say that I was overly impressed with Woodson today either.

Are you kidding me? Woodson 30/46 270 yds 4 tds and 0 ints. Brohm 28/43 for 369 yds 2 tds and 1 int. Not all-time great games from both QBs, but pretty damn good. Plus they both came up big when their team needed it.

Louisville had their biggest problems stopping the UK running game, not the passing game. Woodson was high and then low all night and rarely hit receivers in stride. 5.87 ypa is hardly a great game, despite the yards, especially when several interceptions were flat out dropped.Fact is, neither defense displayed all that much talent, and both QBs generally had plenty of time. Brohm was getting man to man the entire first quarter and kept missing his throws. And that fade pass at the end, uggh. When Brohm faces Rutgers and Cincinatti, we'll see how he does under pressure - last year he didnt do that well.

UK could kick Cincy's a-r-s-e, so I don't know why you make it sound as if they are special. You are correct that Brohm did miss some throws. Woodson looked better than Brohm tonight IMO. Like I said, neither were all-time greats tonight, but both were good, and both came up big when their team needed it.

Cincy, and much of the Big East, are better than people think. Personally, I was rather surprised at how much UL has lost on the defensive side of the ball this year, but I thought they'd be able to cover that up until they hit the heart of their schedule. Even so, 8 out of 10 times UL beats UK at UK.

 

[JohnnyU]

Cincy, and much of the Big East, are better than people think. Personally, I was rather surprised at how much UL has lost on the defensive side of the ball this year, but I thought they'd be able to cover that up until they hit the heart of their schedule. Even so, 8 out of 10 times UL beats UK at UK.

That doesn't mean anything. The only thing that counts is who won tonight. Ky finished strong last season whipping Clemson in the Music City Bowl, so they do have a lot of momentum coming into 2007. Plus, I don't think you can compare the Big East to the SEC top to bottom.Ky does lead the all-time series 11-9 and I believe they won the first 2 since the series was renewed, but L.ville has dominated them the last few years until tonight. Plus we are talking about the lower tier team in Ky vs the top tier team in L,ville The SEC is far and away the better conference.

 

[Patoons]

Look out for Matt Ryan, BC - the kid can play.

He's got limited talent at WR and he's putting up some solid numbers... Got a nice arm and is nicely accurate. Watch him climb up the boards.

 

[ThinGrayLine]

Cincy, and much of the Big East, are better than people think. Personally, I was rather surprised at how much UL has lost on the defensive side of the ball this year, but I thought they'd be able to cover that up until they hit the heart of their schedule. Even so, 8 out of 10 times UL beats UK at UK.

Kentucky leads the series, and until Bobby Petrino came to UL, it was a toss up as to who would win each year. So actually 9 out of 20 times UL beats UK.Ooops I guess JohhnyU already posted the series results.

 

[dparker713]

Cincy, and much of the Big East, are better than people think. Personally, I was rather surprised at how much UL has lost on the defensive side of the ball this year, but I thought they'd be able to cover that up until they hit the heart of their schedule. Even so, 8 out of 10 times UL beats UK at UK.

That doesn't mean anything. The only thing that counts is who won tonight. Ky finished strong last season whipping Clemson in the Music City Bowl, so they do have a lot of momentum coming into 2007. Plus, I don't think you can compare the Big East to the SEC top to bottom.Ky does lead the all-time series 11-9

My point being that on most nights, Brohm plays better than this. But tonight was hardly a night that scouts will look at for him and have his stock go up. And I wasnt that impressed with Woodson either. Brohm seemed to float alot of balls and Woodson was just all over the place. Especially considering the defenses they were facing, overall their performances left much to be desired.

 

[JohnnyU]

Cincy, and much of the Big East, are better than people think. Personally, I was rather surprised at how much UL has lost on the defensive side of the ball this year, but I thought they'd be able to cover that up until they hit the heart of their schedule. Even so, 8 out of 10 times UL beats UK at UK.

That doesn't mean anything. The only thing that counts is who won tonight. Ky finished strong last season whipping Clemson in the Music City Bowl, so they do have a lot of momentum coming into 2007. Plus, I don't think you can compare the Big East to the SEC top to bottom.Ky does lead the all-time series 11-9

My point being that on most nights, Brohm plays better than this. But tonight was hardly a night that scouts will look at for him and have his stock go up. And I wasnt that impressed with Woodson either. Brohm seemed to float alot of balls and Woodson was just all over the place. Especially considering the defenses they were facing, overall their performances left much to be desired.

Well, I disagree. Woodson looks like a very poised QB, and so does Brohm for that matter. Yes, Brohm missed some throws, but he did rack up good numbers, as did Woodson. The stats isn't what stood out with these two. The most important thing to me was that both look like NFL qbs. Both seem to welcome pressure situations and the big game, and it was a big game for both teams. Woodson's streak of 250 passes without an interception is impressive.

 

[dparker713]

Plus we are talking about the lower tier team in Ky vs the top tier team in L,ville The SEC is far and away the better conference.

Are you really going to claim that this upset win in a rivalry game shows the SEC as a vastly superior conference? Didn't USF just beat Auburn last week? Its a nice win for UK, but lets not blow this out of proportion.

 

[mad sweeney]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

 

[dparker713]

Cincy, and much of the Big East, are better than people think. Personally, I was rather surprised at how much UL has lost on the defensive side of the ball this year, but I thought they'd be able to cover that up until they hit the heart of their schedule. Even so, 8 out of 10 times UL beats UK at UK.

That doesn't mean anything. The only thing that counts is who won tonight. Ky finished strong last season whipping Clemson in the Music City Bowl, so they do have a lot of momentum coming into 2007. Plus, I don't think you can compare the Big East to the SEC top to bottom.Ky does lead the all-time series 11-9

My point being that on most nights, Brohm plays better than this. But tonight was hardly a night that scouts will look at for him and have his stock go up. And I wasnt that impressed with Woodson either. Brohm seemed to float alot of balls and Woodson was just all over the place. Especially considering the defenses they were facing, overall their performances left much to be desired.

Well, I disagree. Woodson looks like a very poised QB, and so does Brohm for that matter. Yes, Brohm missed some throws, but he did rack up good numbers, as did Woodson. The stats isn't what stood out with these two. The most important thing to me was that both look like NFL qbs. Both seem to welcome pressure situations and the big game, and it was a big game for both teams. Woodson's streak of 250 passes without an interception is impressive.

Thing that stood out to me was that both had all day to throw. That, and I thought Brohm had better arm strength before he was injured.

 

[JohnnyU]

Plus we are talking about the lower tier team in Ky vs the top tier team in L,ville The SEC is far and away the better conference.

Are you really going to claim that this upset win in a rivalry game shows the SEC as a vastly superior conference? Didn't USF just beat Auburn last week? Its a nice win for UK, but lets not blow this out of proportion.

No, I'm not going to say that this upset makes the SEC superior over the Big East, because history already shows that without me saying anything.

 

[JohnnyU]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

 

[bosoxs45]

Look out for Matt Ryan, BC - the kid can play.He's got limited talent at WR and he's putting up some solid numbers... Got a nice arm and is nicely accurate. Watch him climb up the boards.

 

[dparker713]

I think when its all said and done, it will be Colt Brennen.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think when its all said and done, it will be Colt Brennen.

It's too early in the season to crown anyone, because we all know how quickly players move up and down the draft board throughout the course of a season.

 

[dparker713]

I think when its all said and done, it will be Colt Brennen.

It's too early in the season to crown anyone, because we all know how quickly players move up and down the draft board throughout the course of a season.

Im not crowning, just how I think it will shake out. While he has character concerns, he *seems* to have turned his life around. He's playing for a coach with NFL experience, even though he's playing in a wacky offense. He has the arm strength needed and from the limited amount Ive seen good accuracy.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

It will depend on who gets the #s 1 and 2 picks. I agree Woodson and Brohm are top 10 no matter what, and I have said for a long time I thought Woodson would go first. He's a more impressive package. The #1 overall could be any number of players though. McFadden, Campbell, Dorsey, and Long are the most likely suspects along with the two QBs. It's still early.And yes BC fans. Matt Ryan is playing his way into the first round. Very impressive. I think he and Brennan are in the same type of pick position battle that Brohm and Woodson are in, but for QB 3 and 4.

 

[WhoDat]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

It will depend on who gets the #s 1 and 2 picks. I agree Woodson and Brohm are top 10 no matter what, and I have said for a long time I thought Woodson would go first. He's a more impressive package. The #1 overall could be any number of players though. McFadden, Campbell, Dorsey, and Long are the most likely suspects along with the two QBs. It's still early.And yes BC fans. Matt Ryan is playing his way into the first round. Very impressive. I think he and Brennan are in the same type of pick position battle that Brohm and Woodson are in, but for QB 3 and 4.

Depending on who has the pick and the overall grade, I could see Dorsey as the #1 pick. There is a lot that can happen between now and April but a defense could be built around that kid.

 

[LHUCKS]

Brohm is overhyped...there, I said it.

 

[SteveInChicago]

Brohm is overhyped...there, I said it.

Wasn't Brady Quinn projected to go #1 at this point last year? Hmm...

 

[dparker713]

Brohm is overhyped...there, I said it.

Only needed to watch the Rutgers game last year to know that.

 

[mad sweeney]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

The joke is that the Raiders will be picking 1 or 2.

 

[notapplicable]

Ugh. All we need are 2 more 22 year old QB's making more than 90% of the players in the league.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

No, hes saying tha you missed his joke.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Look out for Matt Ryan, BC - the kid can play.He's got limited talent at WR and he's putting up some solid numbers... Got a nice arm and is nicely accurate. Watch him climb up the boards.

I'm a bigger fan of Ryan at this point than either Brohm or Woodson. He was able to take Georgia Tech's defense apart and they have a very solid pedigree.

 

[HellToupee]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

And yes BC fans. Matt Ryan is playing his way into the first round. Very impressive. I think he and Brennan are in the same type of pick position battle that Brohm and Woodson are in, but for QB 3 and 4.

before Ryan played a game this season he was rated as a 1st round pick

 

[RUSF18]

Brohm is overhyped...there, I said it.

Only needed to watch the Rutgers game last year to know that.

That game showed how awful he is in the face of pressure. He has some seriously happy feet. It came out again at times last night, and if it keeps happening, he'll start to slide. I actually thought he should have went out last year before scouts had more time to pick up on it.The NFL won't treat him well.

 

[benbadman]

Gino Toretta

 

[hawaiiankrush]

Colt Brennan of the Hawaii Warriors is the 1st QB to be drafted next year. He's also a Heisman candidate. Mark my word. Go Warrirors

 

[Patoons]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

And yes BC fans. Matt Ryan is playing his way into the first round. Very impressive. I think he and Brennan are in the same type of pick position battle that Brohm and Woodson are in, but for QB 3 and 4.

before Ryan played a game this season he was rated as a 1st round pick

By who? I have not seen him ranked a 1st rd. pick... Seen more of a second rd. rating...He stands in the pocket and will take the hit so he can deliver the ball where it should be... he's definitely playing himself into the 1st rd.

 

[((Morpheus))]

In my eyes Matt Ryan is the best quarterback in college football by a good margin.

 

[Dirty Hairy]

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

And yes BC fans. Matt Ryan is playing his way into the first round. Very impressive. I think he and Brennan are in the same type of pick position battle that Brohm and Woodson are in, but for QB 3 and 4.

before Ryan played a game this season he was rated as a 1st round pick

By who? I have not seen him ranked a 1st rd. pick... Seen more of a second rd. rating...He stands in the pocket and will take the hit so he can deliver the ball where it should be... he's definitely playing himself into the 1st rd.

Great Blue North1 Andre' Woodson 6-4, 240 Kentucky SR2 Brian Brohm 6-3, 228 Louisville SR3 Chad Henne 6-2, 233 Michigan SR4 John David Booty 6-3, 210 Southern Cal SR5 Eric Ainge 6-5, 220 Tennessee SR6 Colt Brennan 6-3, 195 Hawaii SR7 Sam Keller 6-4, 227 Nebraska SR8 Matt Ryan 6-4, 225 Boston College SR9 Chase Holbrook 6-5, 230 New Mexico State JR 10 Alex Brink 6-3, 215 Washington State SR Draft Countdown1. Brian Brohm Louisville 6-4 224 4.80 2. Andre' Woodson Kentucky 6-5 230 4.80 3. Chad Henne Michigan 6-2 224 5.15 4. Colt Brennan Hawaii 6-3 190 4.85 5. Erik Ainge Tennessee 6-6 220 5.05 6. Sam Keller Nebraska 6-4 230 4.90 7. John David Booty USC 6-3 215 4.95 8. Matt Ryan Boston College 6-5 218 4.90 9. Kyle Wright Miami (FL) 6-4 225 4.80 10. Anthony Morelli Penn St. 6-4 232 4.95 footballsfuture.comBrian Brohm, Louisville Chad Henne, Michigan Andre Woodson, Kentucky John David Booty, USC Matt Ryan, Boston College Colt Brennan, Hawaii Erik Ainge, Tennessee Sam Keller, Nebraska Matt Flynn, LSU Josh Johnson, San Diego

 

[greenroom]

Andre' Woodson Kentucky

Last Year Woodson did the following

Completed 63 percent of his passes, 3,515 yards and 31 touchdowns ... Led the SEC in passing yardage per game (270.4), total offense (259.8) and TD passes (31) Second in the SEC in passing efficiency with a 154.5 rating ... Had a 31-to-7 TD-to-interception ratio .

And lets see this year 9 Td's and 0 interceptions.

So he makes smart plays and does play in a tough conference. Woodson will be the Jay Cutler of this years NFL draft. Most people will dismiss him just because he plays for Kentucky. But he will end up being a great NFL QB...IMO That said I think he will be drafted between the 8th thru 15 spots in the 1st round of the draft.

 

[Tau837]

I think when its all said and done, it will be Colt Brennen.

It's too early in the season to crown anyone, because we all know how quickly players move up and down the draft board throughout the course of a season.

Isn't that what you are doing?

 

[JohnnyU]

I think when its all said and done, it will be Colt Brennen.

It's too early in the season to crown anyone, because we all know how quickly players move up and down the draft board throughout the course of a season.

Isn't that what you are doing?

keyword in the OP, "maybe".

 

[Tau837]

By the way, I just watched the 4th quarter on ESPN Classic. There were some good throws but I saw both Kentucky and Louisville defenders drop interceptions. Brohm got ~40 yards on a fluke tipped ball hail mary completion on the last play. Woodson got the late 57 yard TD, but only because of completely blown coverage - he threw the ball behind the receiver, who had to slow up for it - had the coverage not been blown that ball wouldn't have been completed. Frankly, I didn't see much in the 4th to be impressed with. (I mean, in terms of early 1st round draft pick kind of impressed...)

 

[JohnnyU]

By the way, I just watched the 4th quarter on ESPN Classic. There were some good throws but I saw both Kentucky and Louisville defenders drop interceptions. Brohm got ~40 yards on a fluke tipped ball hail mary completion on the last play. Woodson got the late 57 yard TD, but only because of completely blown coverage - he threw the ball behind the receiver, who had to slow up for it - had the coverage not been blown that ball wouldn't have been completed. Frankly, I didn't see much in the 4th to be impressed with. (I mean, in terms of early 1st round draft pick kind of impressed...)

We will see

 

[Chaos Commish]

Why would the Raiders want to draft another QB?

Maybe someone trades up.. Hey, it's not uncommon for 2 qbs to go 1/2. Either way, both should go top 10 unless they lay an egg for the remainder of the season.

:missedthejoke:

No joke to it. If the chips fall the right way it wouldn't be totally out of the question for these two QBs to go 1/2, or at least both top 10, with one of them going #1 overall.

And yes BC fans. Matt Ryan is playing his way into the first round. Very impressive. I think he and Brennan are in the same type of pick position battle that Brohm and Woodson are in, but for QB 3 and 4.

before Ryan played a game this season he was rated as a 1st round pick

Wrong. But he looks great. Two of those three lists above are put together by people with long lists of scouts in their address books. NFLDS and Scout.com have not graded him that high. Mayock had him QB6 and a possible first day pick last I heard. My statement was accurate. He's playing his way into the first round. I will even agree, from what I have seen, that he can work his way past Brohm and Woodson. I don't expect it, but he is playing better than any QB in the country right now. Brohm is going to be good everybody. Methinks many of you protest to much. This kid has made amazing throws under pressure over the years. He has uncanny accuracy, and he has a healthy dose of "it" whatever it is. I think a few QBs have slid dramatically, Henne, Ainge, even Booty, but these guys at the top of this class have legit NFL futures. Brohm will go early and he will not bust.

 

[Team Legacy]

Brohm is overhyped...there, I said it.

So is the PAC 10.. Did you see that UCLA game???