MERGED thread to talk about Peyton's performance in the Super Bowl (1 Viewer)

[Anarchy99]

Sorry, but last night's performance takes him out of the very top, very short tier of all time greats.

Couldn't agree more...

For me personally, that tier is Montana, Elway, & Brady...

Peyton lands in the tier with Young, Marino, & Farve

So, this week's big game performance puts Manning down below Brady, whom he outplayed significantly just two weeks ago? How come you aren't as hard on Brady for his big game fails? In fact, since Spygate, Brady hasn't gotten it done once, including an 18-0 team that many considered the greatest of all-time before they choked in the Super Bowl.

I am not taking sides as to who is better (if I had 52 other guys and great coaches lined up and had to choose Manning or Brady, I would pick Manning). However, since Spygate, Brady has gone to and lost 2 SBs and Manning has gone to and lost 2 SBs (while the other Manning has gone to and WON 2 SBs). It's not like either guy is lapping the other in titles in the past 7 years.

 

[Workhorse]

I've never seen/done research to back it up but my gut tells me that in the Salary Cap era, having a franchise QB with a huge contract can actually hurt a teams chances at winning the Super Bowl. Look at Russell Wilson and the Seahawks: He has a tiny cap number that allows the Hawks to invest more money in their overall depth on both sides of the ball. When the Pats won 3 in 4 years, Brady didn't carry nearly the cap number that he does now. Same with Flacco last year, and I'm sure there are more examples.

When Manning makes up such a high percentage of the Broncos and Colts cap number, the lack of depth on his teams will do them in most of the time. That's not Peyton's fault, its simply the economics of the NFL in the past 20 years. You could point to that same issue for Brady in the Patriots in the past 6 years.

 

[Anarchy99]

I've never seen/done research to back it up but my gut tells me that in the Salary Cap era, having a franchise QB with a huge contract can actually hurt a teams chances at winning the Super Bowl. Look at Russell Wilson and the Seahawks: He has a tiny cap number that allows the Hawks to invest more money in their overall depth on both sides of the ball. When the Pats won 3 in 4 years, Brady didn't carry nearly the cap number that he does now. Same with Flacco last year, and I'm sure there are more examples.

When Manning makes up such a high percentage of the Broncos and Colts cap number, the lack of depth on his teams will do them in most of the time. That's not Peyton's fault, its simply the economics of the NFL in the past 20 years. You could point to that same issue for Brady in the Patriots in the past 6 years.

Except Brady gets paid a lot less than the other guys. IIRC, his average contract value is only $12 million a season. Not sure how they allocate his cap hit, but he comes in substantially less than the Mannings and Flaccos of the world.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Sorry, but last night's performance takes him out of the very top, very short tier of all time greats.

Couldn't agree more...

For me personally, that tier is Montana, Elway, & Brady...

Peyton lands in the tier with Young, Marino, & Farve

So, this week's big game performance puts Manning down below Brady, whom he outplayed significantly just two weeks ago? How come you aren't as hard on Brady for his big game fails? In fact, since Spygate, Brady hasn't gotten it done once, including an 18-0 team that many considered the greatest of all-time before they choked in the Super Bowl.

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

 

[Ghost Rider]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Had NE played Seattle, I think the result would have been similar. While it's likely the Patriots don't turn it over four times (Belichick teams are almost always really good at not turning it over), how would they have scored? Do we really think Julian Edelman and Aaron Dobson would have gotten free against that secondary to score? Let's be serious.

 

[lod01]

I've never seen/done research to back it up but my gut tells me that in the Salary Cap era, having a franchise QB with a huge contract can actually hurt a teams chances at winning the Super Bowl. Look at Russell Wilson and the Seahawks: He has a tiny cap number that allows the Hawks to invest more money in their overall depth on both sides of the ball. When the Pats won 3 in 4 years, Brady didn't carry nearly the cap number that he does now. Same with Flacco last year, and I'm sure there are more examples.

When Manning makes up such a high percentage of the Broncos and Colts cap number, the lack of depth on his teams will do them in most of the time. That's not Peyton's fault, its simply the economics of the NFL in the past 20 years. You could point to that same issue for Brady in the Patriots in the past 6 years.

There is no doubt that the salary cap is a factor. Seattle will begin losing guys on defense once Wilson is paid what Flacco was paid. In order to maintain their current status, they would have to hit on draft picks as current players will all want paid and there is not enough $ to pay them all.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I've never seen/done research to back it up but my gut tells me that in the Salary Cap era, having a franchise QB with a huge contract can actually hurt a teams chances at winning the Super Bowl. Look at Russell Wilson and the Seahawks: He has a tiny cap number that allows the Hawks to invest more money in their overall depth on both sides of the ball. When the Pats won 3 in 4 years, Brady didn't carry nearly the cap number that he does now. Same with Flacco last year, and I'm sure there are more examples.

When Manning makes up such a high percentage of the Broncos and Colts cap number, the lack of depth on his teams will do them in most of the time. That's not Peyton's fault, its simply the economics of the NFL in the past 20 years. You could point to that same issue for Brady in the Patriots in the past 6 years.

There is no doubt that the salary cap is a factor. Seattle will begin losing guys on defense once Wilson is paid what Flacco was paid. In order to maintain their current status, they would have to hit on draft picks as current players will all want paid and there is not enough $ to pay them all.

And in addition to the above you have to think a lot of coaches will find there way to promotions as well

 

[Workhorse]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Had NE played Seattle, I think the result would have been similar. While it's likely the Patriots don't turn it over four times (Belichick teams are almost always really good at not turning it over), how would they have scored? Do we really think Julian Edelman and Aaron Dobson would have gotten free against that secondary to score? Let's be serious.

Nope. The Pats would have lost to this Hawks team for sure. Without a doubt.

 

[Anarchy99]

Had NE been in the SB yesterday, it would have been like bringing a plastic knife to a gunfight.

 

[Ghost Rider]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Had NE played Seattle, I think the result would have been similar. While it's likely the Patriots don't turn it over four times (Belichick teams are almost always really good at not turning it over), how would they have scored? Do we really think Julian Edelman and Aaron Dobson would have gotten free against that secondary to score? Let's be serious.

Nope. The Pats would have lost to this Hawks team for sure. Without a doubt.

It was weird to think or even say, but the week before the championship games, I said to a friend, "How weird is it that the Patriots are probably by far the least best of the remaining four teams?"

 

[Anarchy99]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Had NE played Seattle, I think the result would have been similar. While it's likely the Patriots don't turn it over four times (Belichick teams are almost always really good at not turning it over), how would they have scored? Do we really think Julian Edelman and Aaron Dobson would have gotten free against that secondary to score? Let's be serious.

Nope. The Pats would have lost to this Hawks team for sure. Without a doubt.

It was weird to think or even say, but the week before the championship games, I said to a friend, "How weird is it that the Patriots are probably by far the least best of the remaining four teams?"

NE was probably one of the least best teams in the playoffs with the flotsam and jetsam they were rolling out in the playoffs. Beating IND should have been considered a modern day miracle like the parting of the Red Sea. No idea how they finished 12-4.

 

[lod01]

Greatest stat whore & regular season QB ever. Post season ham & egger QB.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Had NE played Seattle, I think the result would have been similar. While it's likely the Patriots don't turn it over four times (Belichick teams are almost always really good at not turning it over), how would they have scored? Do we really think Julian Edelman and Aaron Dobson would have gotten free against that secondary to score? Let's be serious.

Nope. The Pats would have lost to this Hawks team for sure. Without a doubt.

I don't know what the result would have been if they faced NE. What I do know is that's its crazy to just assume Seattle stomps anyone they play because of what they did to Denver yesterday. The NFL doesn't work like that.

 

[Anarchy99]

Greatest stat whore & regular season QB ever. Post season ham & egger QB.

I asked in other threads (and there were a lot of them), why did Peyton's teams seem to play like a completely different team in many playoff games? Manning has to accept blame for his role, but did Peyton forgot how to tackle? Did Peyton allow a KO for a TD? In other seasons, did Peytom miss clutch FGs at the end of games? Did Peyton trip over his own feet and allow a 70 yd TD against the Ravens in the last minute of the game? The net result is that thee were a ton of years that things did not end well, and not all of them were Peyton's fault.

 

[James Daulton]

The thing with Manning is that he's constantly shoved down our throats as this unbelievable QB who prepares harder, understands the game better, and is just flat out better than everyone else. He even gets credit for making his oline seem better than they are by his quick and correct decisions. He was only sacked 18 times the entire year, that's not all because of him, his oline was really good. What I see when Manning plays is that as long as he has a clean and comfortable pocket, these things are true. His timing and sync with his receivers is great. However, put him under duress (like yesterday) and these qualities diminish greatly. His career poor play during the playoffs should definitely impact his legacy.

 

[James Daulton]

I think if San Fran had beaten the Hawks, they would have handily beaten the Broncos too. Both of those teams are just too physical and can generate too much pressure with their front 7.

 

[JuniorNB]

Sorry, but last night's performance takes him out of the very top, very short tier of all time greats.

Couldn't agree more...

For me personally, that tier is Montana, Elway, & Brady...

Peyton lands in the tier with Young, Marino, & Farve

So, this week's big game performance puts Manning down below Brady, whom he outplayed significantly just two weeks ago? How come you aren't as hard on Brady for his big game fails? In fact, since Spygate, Brady hasn't gotten it done once, including an 18-0 team that many considered the greatest of all-time before they choked in the Super Bowl.

What has Manning done compared to Brady since Skygate? Just curious.

Check the stats.

 

[JuniorNB]

Sorry, but last night's performance takes him out of the very top, very short tier of all time greats.

Couldn't agree more...

For me personally, that tier is Montana, Elway, & Brady...

Peyton lands in the tier with Young, Marino, & Farve

So, this week's big game performance puts Manning down below Brady, whom he outplayed significantly just two weeks ago? How come you aren't as hard on Brady for his big game fails? In fact, since Spygate, Brady hasn't gotten it done once, including an 18-0 team that many considered the greatest of all-time before they choked in the Super Bowl.

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

 

[kyoun1e]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Had NE played Seattle, I think the result would have been similar. While it's likely the Patriots don't turn it over four times (Belichick teams are almost always really good at not turning it over), how would they have scored? Do we really think Julian Edelman and Aaron Dobson would have gotten free against that secondary to score? Let's be serious.

Nope. The Pats would have lost to this Hawks team for sure. Without a doubt.

The pats would have gotten smoked.

And it would have been a worse beating than Denver received.

None of those WRs would strike fear in the Seattle secondary. And zero TE threat.

If NE was in that game, I bet 2 of 4 of Edelman/Amendola/Thompkins/Dobson are knocked out of the game.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

 

[JuniorNB]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

 

[fantasycurse42]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

We'll leave those 3 World Championships in the gray area... Solid analysis

 

[thriftyrocker]

If you look past the futility of the Denver offense, a big part of this game was Seattle's ability to convert on 3rd down early in the game to keep Denver off the field. If Denver had Miller and not to forget Dumervil then that part of the game could easily have been different. The NE defense similarly was a lot more mediocre than it could have been this year. Collins came on late as an impact LB but missing Mayo, Wilfork, etc. I doubt they would have done much better. NE offense probably would have relied on the run more, which could have kept the game closer. Peyton became a dink and dunk QB last night. He was completing a lot of passes just most seemed to be for 3-5 yards.

 

[JuniorNB]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

We'll leave those 3 World Championships in the gray area... Solid analysis

They're in the same gray area that Bonds' home run record is.

Patriot fans can pretend the cheating scandal never happened. Everyone else knows it.

So tell me, why haven't they won since?

Same reason Denver lost last night? Bad QB?

 

[Anarchy99]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

We'll leave those 3 World Championships in the gray area... Solid analysis

They're in the same gray area that Bonds' home run record is.

Patriot fans can pretend the cheating scandal never happened. Everyone else knows it.

So tell me, why haven't they won since?

Same reason Denver lost last night? Bad QB?

They haven't one because . . .

1) The defense has been nowhere near as good as their title years

2) They have had key players injured for the playoffs

3) They are not as tough a team as they used to be when they played more smash mouthed football

4) When they relied on a high octane offense, they have been susceptible to teams that can put pressure with 4 DLmen and take away underneath stuff (ask Peyton about that after last night).

They were in both SBs they lost until the end. One they lost on a miracle catch off the top of a guy's helmet and the other they were in position to win with a Welker first down catch had he made it. Not sure how Spygate had anything to do with anything I just listed.

 

[Run It Up]

I can't tell whos trolling and whos an idiot.

Someone call the cops, I think we're being trolled by idiots.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

We'll leave those 3 World Championships in the gray area... Solid analysis

They're in the same gray area that Bonds' home run record is.

Patriot fans can pretend the cheating scandal never happened. Everyone else knows it.

So tell me, why haven't they won since?

Same reason Denver lost last night? Bad QB?

They haven't one because . . .

1) The defense has been nowhere near as good as their title years

2) They have had key players injured for the playoffs

3) They are not as tough a team as they used to be when they played more smash mouthed football

4) When they relied on a high octane offense, they have been susceptible to teams that can put pressure with 4 DLmen and take away underneath stuff (ask Peyton about that after last night).

They were in both SBs they lost until the end. One they lost on a miracle catch off the top of a guy's helmet and the other they were in position to win with a Welker first down catch had he made it. Not sure how Spygate had anything to do with anything I just listed.

Yea but their Championships during the 2000's all have asterisks according to JR.

 

[JuniorNB]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

We'll leave those 3 World Championships in the gray area... Solid analysis

They're in the same gray area that Bonds' home run record is.

Patriot fans can pretend the cheating scandal never happened. Everyone else knows it.

So tell me, why haven't they won since?

Same reason Denver lost last night? Bad QB?

They haven't one because . . .

1) The defense has been nowhere near as good as their title years

2) They have had key players injured for the playoffs

3) They are not as tough a team as they used to be when they played more smash mouthed football

4) When they relied on a high octane offense, they have been susceptible to teams that can put pressure with 4 DLmen and take away underneath stuff (ask Peyton about that after last night).

They were in both SBs they lost until the end. One they lost on a miracle catch off the top of a guy's helmet and the other they were in position to win with a Welker first down catch had he made it. Not sure how Spygate had anything to do with anything I just listed.

Just to be clear, Brady missed a wide open Welker. Could he have caught it? Sure. Was it an easy catch? Hell no. Should it have been a n easy catch? Yes, if it was thrown better. You Brady apologists are all the same.

The one thing in your post I do agree with is #4. Which is why I decided to enter this Manning hate-fest. Brady couldn't get it done in his last two Super Bowls against MUCH worse defenses. But his fans love jumping on Peyton. As if it's makes Brady jump ahead of him on the all-time list or something.

 

[JuniorNB]

I can't tell whos trolling and whos an idiot.

Someone call the cops, I think we're being trolled by idiots.

Says the guy with a Belichick avatar.

 

[JuniorNB]

Brady's Weapons:

Michael Hooomunhnuakjnhnrhuajujrujioajijehulajhsdklahdlijn

Edelman

Amendola

Blount

Vareen

Thompkins

Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

Well, those three wins are a gray area. He sure has been known as a choker ever since then.

Oh sorry. Did I mention something you wish would go away? Funny that ever since then, "Mr Clutch" has become just the opposite. Hmmmm

We'll leave those 3 World Championships in the gray area... Solid analysis

They're in the same gray area that Bonds' home run record is.

Patriot fans can pretend the cheating scandal never happened. Everyone else knows it.

So tell me, why haven't they won since?

Same reason Denver lost last night? Bad QB?

They haven't one because . . .

1) The defense has been nowhere near as good as their title years

2) They have had key players injured for the playoffs

3) They are not as tough a team as they used to be when they played more smash mouthed football

4) When they relied on a high octane offense, they have been susceptible to teams that can put pressure with 4 DLmen and take away underneath stuff (ask Peyton about that after last night).

They were in both SBs they lost until the end. One they lost on a miracle catch off the top of a guy's helmet and the other they were in position to win with a Welker first down catch had he made it. Not sure how Spygate had anything to do with anything I just listed.

Yea but their Championships during the 2000's all have asterisks according to JR.

They were caught cheating. There certainly is a question mark raised.

 

[Ballstein]

I'm glad Brady didn't make it to the SB thiis year. He woulda been downgraded after the game.

 

[Run It Up]

They were caught cheating. There certainly is a question mark raised.

Lol when? Maybe you should take five seconds to read up on the things you've likely been ####ting from your mouth for the last decade, cause you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[zilladog]

A few thoughts after reading through this thread.

1. Brady is still a better QB than Manning. Has always done more with less weapons. Has been to more AFC championships and SB's than Manning. Has a better postseason (and regular) season record than Manning, still has a winning record in the SB (which is friggin FIVE btw) and has had all of his best statistical years AFTER spygate, so that excuse simply doesn't hold water. Let's not forget that Manning has lost AFC championship games too, when he was in his prime nonetheless. It's gone both ways between the two of them over the years. You have to look at the whole body of work, not just the latest duel which seems to always happen with you people. It's Brady vs. Montana...and then everyone else.

2. Manning = Marino in terms of greatness. Don't take it as an insult Manning fans, that's a pretty high accolade to be given. The only real difference between the two is Marino had to face Joe Montana in his Superbowl, Manning got Rex Grossman. If Russel Wilson was quarterbacking the 2006 Chicago Bears, Manning would still be looking for his first ring.

3. That being said, as one who clearly stands on the Tom Brady side of the Brady v. Manning debate, I'm actually relieved the Pats didn't win the AFC championship this year. I don't think I could've watched the Pats get slaughtered the way the Broncos just did.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I can't tell whos trolling and whos an idiot.

Someone call the cops, I think we're being trolled by idiots.

Says the guy with a Belichick avatar.

I'm a 49er fan with zero invested or cared about Brady/Patriots/BB - You just sound ridiculous in this thread...

 

[JuniorNB]

Most anti-Manning threads are populated by 50% Patriot fans.

So I just wanted to throw a dash of reality into your little hate-fest. Brady sure as hell hasn't been Mr Clutch lately. Just the opposite, in fact. Including getting #####slapped by Manning just two weeks ago. Brady didn't look like he belonged on the same field.

I'll go now. Feel free to continue celebrating the Broncos/Manning's loss last night as if it was a victory for Brady. It's adorable.

 

[Run It Up]

I'll go now.

Whats the rush? You were on quite the streak.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Convinced JuniorNB is a shtick.

 

[Run It Up]

Convinced JuniorNB is a shtick.

Now now, he must go -- his people need him.

 

[zilladog]

I love how every Brady loss is a devastating black mark on an already exaggerated legacy.

But with every Manning loss people are like "It's cool. rub some dirt on it and move on. 18 rooooolz 4 life!"

And they call us Brady fans haters. lol.

 

[JuniorNB]

Convinced JuniorNB is a shtick.

Now now, he must go -- his people need him.

I'll stay if you want. But watching Patriot fans pretend that Spygate never happened is getting old. It makes me sleepy.

 

[JuniorNB]

I love how every Brady loss is a devastating black mark on an already exaggerated legacy.

But with every Manning loss people are like "It's cool. rub some dirt on it and move on. 18 rooooolz 4 life!"

And they call us Brady fans haters. lol.

No, no, no. It's just the opposite. Whenever Manning loses a playoff game, the fans of Tommy Pigtails come out in droves, as if he just accomplished something. It's hilarious to watch.

 

[kyoun1e]

Most anti-Manning threads are populated by 50% Patriot fans.

So I just wanted to throw a dash of reality into your little hate-fest. Brady sure as hell hasn't been Mr Clutch lately. Just the opposite, in fact. Including getting #####slapped by Manning just two weeks ago. Brady didn't look like he belonged on the same field.

I'll go now. Feel free to continue celebrating the Broncos/Manning's loss last night as if it was a victory for Brady. It's adorable

Mr Clutch hasn't been clutch lately but he also hasn't looked so small in big games like Manning throughout his career.

That is the key difference between the two.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Sorry, but last night's performance takes him out of the very top, very short tier of all time greats.

Couldn't agree more...

For me personally, that tier is Montana, Elway, & Brady...

Peyton lands in the tier with Young, Marino, & Farve

So, this week's big game performance puts Manning down below Brady, whom he outplayed significantly just two weeks ago? How come you aren't as hard on Brady for his big game fails? In fact, since Spygate, Brady hasn't gotten it done once, including an 18-0 team that many considered the greatest of all-time before they choked in the Super Bowl.

Brady's Weapons:

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Edelman

Amendola

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Dobson

prob 2 maybe 3 first ballot HOF guys here

Manning's Weapons:



I love the what have they done lately comments too... We are looking at careers as a whole here. Brady clearly has the better resume at 3-2 in SB vs Manning who is now 1-2... Manning threw the game clinching pick last time he was in the SB and didn't even find his way to NY for this one.

New England has the same cap available as DEN, so to say Brady has less is stupid. He just has more in other areas, and as a team sport that's all that matters.

I can see you using Mannings weapons as a reason for more passing stats, but as far as team success its an equal playing field and Manning and Denver were better than NE.

 

[kyoun1e]

Convinced JuniorNB is a shtick.

Now now, he must go -- his people need him.

I'll stay if you want. But watching Patriot fans pretend that Spygate never happened is getting old. It makes me sleepy.

You and everyone else will just never realize that everyone in the league was doing this.

You're all like grumbling old have demented men. You'll be mumbling "spygate" with drool hanging out of your mouths.

 

[skinsrule05]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Is this the same Brady that only had 2 TDs (only one passing) total in the last two playoff games? And that was against the defensive juggernauts of Denver and Indy.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Convinced JuniorNB is a shtick.

Now now, he must go -- his people need him.

I'll stay if you want. But watching Patriot fans pretend that Spygate never happened is getting old. It makes me sleepy.

You and everyone else will just never realize that everyone in the league was doing this.

You're all like grumbling old have demented men. You'll be mumbling "spygate" with drool hanging out of your mouths.

So as baseball continues it looks more and more like everyone is being busted for PEDs and even those who aren't busted yet are highly suspicious, so since EVERYONE was doing it, does that make Barry Bonds innocent? Does his legacy go back to normal because we are seeing it was more common?

 

[bostonfred]

That's an interesting question about Brady vs. the Seahawks.

If the Patriots had played the Seahawks last night, they would have lost. The only thing they'd have had going for them is that they would have been forced to run the ball, which was the only way to beat this Seahawks team. But I don't think they could have won this game.

If Tom Brady had taken Manning's place at the helm of Denver's offense last night, that's different. I doubt he would have put up 40+ points, but I doubt the Broncos would have given up 26 points on turnovers, either. I think we can say that the Seahawks would have won - they certainly earned the title and for my money they were the best team in the NFL this year. But it's an interesting idea.

 

[JuniorNB]

Convinced JuniorNB is a shtick.

Now now, he must go -- his people need him.

I'll stay if you want. But watching Patriot fans pretend that Spygate never happened is getting old. It makes me sleepy.

You and everyone else will just never realize that everyone in the league was doing this.

You're all like grumbling old have demented men. You'll be mumbling "spygate" with drool hanging out of your mouths.

Judging by your typing skills, you already have drool coming from your mouth. Slow down Son.

 

[Devine Intervention]

That's an interesting question about Brady vs. the Seahawks.

If the Patriots had played the Seahawks last night, they would have lost. The only thing they'd have had going for them is that they would have been forced to run the ball, which was the only way to beat this Seahawks team. But I don't think they could have won this game.

If Tom Brady had taken Manning's place at the helm of Denver's offense last night, that's different. I doubt he would have put up 40+ points, but I doubt the Broncos would have given up 26 points on turnovers, either. I think we can say that the Seahawks would have won - they certainly earned the title and for my money they were the best team in the NFL this year. But it's an interesting idea.

That's funny you say that. I remember Brady leading his record breaking team into a game against a HUGE underdog team in NYG, against a defense that was nowhere near as good as SEA and putting up 14. MMMMMM...... weird.

 

[JuniorNB]

methinks Brady would have been able score more than a TD

Is this the same Brady that only had 2 TDs (only one passing) total in the last two playoff games? And that was against the defensive juggernauts of Denver and Indy.

They think that doesn't matter. Brady gets a mulligan this season because Bellichick was dumb enough to let Welker go and to draft a known thug like Hernandez.

Manning was so far and away better than Brady when they squared off two weeks ago that it's laughable that anyone is still comparing them at this point in their careers.