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Agree thred should read "Minnesota Vikings 2008 Regular Season is Over Thread "
They need to make the move and lock up Frazier as the HC. (And I have been a Childress supporter, but no more)
That's what I was saying yesterday. It doesn't seem like there's any "scheme" there.It seems more like, "Hey, we haven't passed for a bit, so let's pass." And then "Hey, we've run right a few too many times. Let's run left."I hate to say it because I can't stand the guy, but I think they're really missing McKinnie.
funny I was saying the same thing to my buddy when we were watching the game, but its been like that ever since chilly got here, so no real surprise. I think/hope Mckinney coming back is going to really open up the run game.
I agree...I still think they should spread out the defense with 4 WRs and have Jackson at QB. Open up lanes for Peterson and let Jackson make plays with his legs.
It's five o'clock somewhere!
It's five o'clock somewhere!
lets keep the bashing on chilly if possible, oh wait all that is is fault anyways for putting these guys out there. Why does shaincoe have to be a big part of every gameplan? The third and 1 I just went WTF was that? I know you don't want to get anyone hurt, but punt the ball at the end there and call it a day, come on...he's also the genius who moved tahi in the lineup over tapeh, I know chilly didn't fumble the ball yesterday but he puts these guys out there. ADP won this guy to many games last year, sucks....Thank you god for the sunday ticket, the vikes are relegated to the small laptop screen for a least a couple weeks.
Do you think Frazier is HC material? I do not. His Defense is underperforming and not playing that well. He had similar results as a DC in other stops (Bengals) and wasn't DC in Indy.Now I know that Cowher is who everyone wants and I would love to get him, but he wants control and for whatever reason, the Wylfs seem to love Speilman. So I don't see that happening.I have been debating posting this statement out of fear of ridicule but here it goes... I would like to see them hire Marty Schottenheimer as their HC. He knows how to run the ball and how to coach a strong Defense which is what the Vikings are based on. I know he hasn't won the "big game" very well and is old school, but I like that idea better than rolling the dice on another coordinator with no experience. There it is...rip away.
Vikes Fan said:
I think Vike fans should expect more. This is no longer the joke of a franchise which escallates positional coaches rather than opening up a search for a legit NFL head coach. On the positive side, Zygi certainly indicates he's not afraid to spend to get the cream of the crop, even if he whiffed with Childress. It's probably too much to hope for, but this team desparately needs a Bill Cowher type to light a fire under and motivate it. The rumormill had him replacing Fox in Carolina but now that Fox is doing ok in Carolina maybe there's a chance he could go elsewhere?
Just out of curiosity, why not? Top tier RB and above average defense seems like a better gig than Cleveland for Cowher football.
No one comes to Minnesota. Doesn't matter what professional team it is. Cowher has ties to Cleveland besides.
You'd be surprised what the right amount of do re mi can do to those supposed "ties" Cowher has.Zygi will toss out some serious money if it meant getting a Bill Cowher
Ok, I thought you had a legit reason. I had read that Cowher purchased a home near Cleveland but does he have other ties to Cleveland? I'd find it a little weird if he went to coach a Pitt rival. It's not as if he was forced out of town. It's not like Minneapolis vs. Miami... we're talking about Cleveland. In any event I'd think any coach would welcome cashing in to coach the talent on this team. Hell, I bet Jimmy Johnson would put up with winter to coach this team.
He is most noted as a player as a Cleveland Brown. He has some allegance to the team that gave him his break as a player.Team(s) as a player (Bill Cowher)Ok, I thought you had a legit reason. I had read that Cowher purchased a home near Cleveland but does he have other ties to Cleveland? I'd find it a little weird if he went to coach a Pitt rival. It's not as if he was forced out of town. It's not like Minneapolis vs. Miami... we're talking about Cleveland. In any event I'd think any coach would welcome cashing in to coach the talent on this team. Hell, I bet Jimmy Johnson would put up with winter to coach this team.
OK, maybe he isn't head coaching material - not sure I agree, but in his defense the offense has given the other teams such good field position that the defense can't do everything. 21 points off those turnovers, but two of them were in the red zone so I can't blame the defense at all for the losses.Here is a name that would make some sense. Jim Fassell. He has the NY Giant ties that Zygi would like and I think he is a quality coach.Vikes Fan said:I think Vike fans should expect more. This is no longer the joke of a franchise which escallates positional coaches rather than opening up a search for a legit NFL head coach. On the positive side, Zygi certainly indicates he's not afraid to spend to get the cream of the crop, even if he whiffed with Childress. It's probably too much to hope for, but this team desparately needs a Bill Cowher type to light a fire under and motivate it. The rumormill had him replacing Fox in Carolina but now that Fox is doing ok in Carolina maybe there's a chance he could go elsewhere?
After that performance filling in after Gus got hurt I would say as soon as Gus is out for the year he'll play.
But go beyond the last game. This defense is no where near where it should be with the talent they have. I do not think that can be disputed. They have been giving up big plays in bunches. All we heard in the offseason was that we would not have to blitz with this D-line and against Tenn and even in the Carolina game, we got pressure because we brought extra guys. Also, he does not even seem to be playing the Tampa 2, as it seems like we are in man most of the time, when our personel seems more suited to be playing zone. (Griffin has looked lost trying to play man.)Go back to last year, when the team was great against the run, but could not stop the pass. None of this speaks well of Frazier. People are high on Fraizer because they have watched Dungy and Tomlin turn into fine head coaches, and they are afraid of losing another one. Fraizer has been around long enough that if he were truely head coach material, he would have had more consideration by now. (The interview in Miami last year was out of respect for the Rooney Rule.)OK, maybe he isn't head coaching material - not sure I agree, but in his defense the offense has given the other teams such good field position that the defense can't do everything. 21 points off those turnovers, but two of them were in the red zone so I can't blame the defense at all for the losses.Here is a name that would make some sense. Jim Fassell. He has the NY Giant ties that Zygi would like and I think he is a quality coach.I think Vike fans should expect more. This is no longer the joke of a franchise which escallates positional coaches rather than opening up a search for a legit NFL head coach. On the positive side, Zygi certainly indicates he's not afraid to spend to get the cream of the crop, even if he whiffed with Childress. It's probably too much to hope for, but this team desparately needs a Bill Cowher type to light a fire under and motivate it. The rumormill had him replacing Fox in Carolina but now that Fox is doing ok in Carolina maybe there's a chance he could go elsewhere?
I really hate that guy.
Wow. Dude, how are you going to pick on the punter? It's your fault they ever have to punt in the first place.
For a transplant to the Twin Cities, he makes it very easy to root against the Purple. Only good thing you can say about his coaching "performance" so far this year is that (thanks to AWinfield) the team has not quit on him yet.
Ok, first off, I can't stand Childress. I had a sense of quietude when we fell behind in the 4th quarter, envisioning this possible loss as a means to a merciful and welcomed end of this coaching regime. They're horrible; particularly on offense. That said, if it is true he instructed Kluwe to kick out of bounds and 2 return TDs resulted from those failures, he has every right to throw Kluwe under the bus. I would not for a moment expect a coach to take heat for those types of blunders when everyone in the world was questioning his coaching ability for continually kicking to Bush.
This is typical Chilly though, he doesn't take responsibility at all. He could have kept it under hat and reamed out Kluwe all week in practice or wherever, but there's no need to publicly call out an individual player who's been above average for most of his time. Childress is too loose lipped and quick to make with a comment. It's disgusting. He's just terribly insulting.
Agree to disagree. Again, I hate Childress as much as anyone but it does no good for him to "keep it under his hat" that a player did not follow instructions after everyone in the world witnessed how dumb it was to keep kicking to Bush. Maybe Belichick has the security to play that sort of "take a bullet" game but most coaches don't have that luxury when multiple gaffes are exposed on MNF, with a staff already deservedly on the hot seat. If you want to say he's in the wrong for putting a player out there who's capable of such massive mistakes, or that he's rostered a Jr. High coverage unit who is incapable of bailing out a punter, that's another thing.
