Moreno vs. McGahee (1 Viewer)

[Jercules]

I've been following Lammey's incredibly informative Bronco twitter feeds, and have come away with the impression that Denver will be a full-blown RBBC, with McGahee getting the nod at the goalline. True? False? Undecided?

 

[Clifford]

I'm hoping the McGahee is the nail in Moreno's coffin and experiences a late-career resurrection in Denver. But your assumption seems to be correct based on Lammey's tweets: Moreno pass-catching and 3rd down, McGahee tween the tackles and at the stripe.

 

[Crusaderfan]

So this is shaping up to be what Fox did with Williams/Stewart in Carolina??

 

[Clifford]

Seems like this split will be more according to skillset whereas the Williams/Stewart splits were according to hot hand or series. But who really knows when the season starts. I think Moreno is a more naturally gifted receiver from what I have read and his stats last year. He had at least one game with over 100 yards receiving and a few more in the 50+ range.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I believe that Moreno will lead the team in total touches barring an injury.

Moreno won't be a bell cow rb, as that is not what Fox or anyone sees out of him at this stage. I think if it is anything like Fox wants or is saying, both guys will see plenty of work and will both see some opportunity to be good on different days. Frustrating for fantasy owners but good for a football team.

McGahee who will be 30 in October was a good signing for Denver and Moreno owners. McGahee is not this up and coming talent who will push Moreno out of a job. Moreno will have every opportunity to carve out a nice role going forward with McGahee around this year and for the future. I am not thinking that Denver signed McGahee hoping that at this late stage of his career that he will be runnine the ball 260 plus times. In fact it has been since 2007 that McGahee has carried the ball more than 170 times. So we are going on 4 years that he was used in that type of role.

 

[RBM]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

 

[mcintyre1]

My gut instinct:

Moreno will be the lead back, and the timeshare will not be as even as people think. McGahee will be exposed as the vet backup that he is, while Moreno will quietly put in a top 15-top 20 season. For how far he's probably falling in drafts, that's good value.

 

[krsone21]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

 

[Riffraff]

So this is shaping up to be what Fox did with Williams/Stewart in Carolina??

I'm guessing more like Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams in Miami. Minus the wildcat points of course.

 

[Banger]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

but was it Lammey's opinion that made the Bronco's go out and acquire Willis at the start of FA? Is it his opinion that is giving Willis carries in camp? is it his opinion that they seem to sharing the ball and that everything that has come out of camp states that it will be a job share?He's had his opinion for a while (since last year really) and so far pretty much everything he's said has come to pass. I think some people don't want to hear what he has to say. Listen to what he says, read what the coaches say, watch what the coaches do.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

but was it Lammey's opinion that made the Bronco's go out and acquire Willis at the start of FA? Is it his opinion that is giving Willis carries in camp? is it his opinion that they seem to sharing the ball and that everything that has come out of camp states that it will be a job share?He's had his opinion for a while (since last year really) and so far pretty much everything he's said has come to pass. I think some people don't want to hear what he has to say. Listen to what he says, read what the coaches say, watch what the coaches do.

Everyone knew the Broncos would not enter this year with the running back stable they had. They brought in a now soon to be 30 year old journeymen rb who will have some carries of course. Call it a split or call it what you want, but Moreno still will have every opportunity to carve out a larger role than the older McGahee.What about Lammey's opinion has come to pass about this situation that is proving McGahee will get majority of carries and Moreno is only a 3rd down back? I have heard what Fox has said, and have read some of Lammey's and others pieces on this situation. No one will know the percentage of touches for each guy until the season plays itself out. I just think it is premature to label Moreno as only a 3rd down back at this young stage of his career. You are talking about a team and organization and countless reports that up until a few weeks ago was trading their starting QB from a year ago and giving the reigns to Tebow. So as I stated I will take Lammey's input as something I value, but will remember that it is also an opinionated report that could very well be wrong.

 

[Shutout]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

but was it Lammey's opinion that made the Bronco's go out and acquire Willis at the start of FA? Is it his opinion that is giving Willis carries in camp? is it his opinion that they seem to sharing the ball and that everything that has come out of camp states that it will be a job share?He's had his opinion for a while (since last year really) and so far pretty much everything he's said has come to pass. I think some people don't want to hear what he has to say. Listen to what he says, read what the coaches say, watch what the coaches do.

Everyone knew the Broncos would not enter this year with the running back stable they had. They brought in a now soon to be 30 year old journeymen rb who will have some carries of course. Call it a split or call it what you want, but Moreno still will have every opportunity to carve out a larger role than the older McGahee.What about Lammey's opinion has come to pass about this situation that is proving McGahee will get majority of carries and Moreno is only a 3rd down back? I have heard what Fox has said, and have read some of Lammey's and others pieces on this situation. No one will know the percentage of touches for each guy until the season plays itself out. I just think it is premature to label Moreno as only a 3rd down back at this young stage of his career. You are talking about a team and organization and countless reports that up until a few weeks ago was trading their starting QB from a year ago and giving the reigns to Tebow. So as I stated I will take Lammey's input as something I value, but will remember that it is also an opinionated report that could very well be wrong.

Think Carter has hit homeruns on all takes throughout the post and that others that are seeing it differently are likely a bit biased and/or wishful and may be just trying to make things fit the one they want.In real life, the facts of the matter are the Broncos did not get a "replacement-caliber" back to replace Moreno. They got a compliment back which is very typical these days. Heck, as good as LeSean McCoy is coming on, the Eagles still got a Ronnie Brown to play a similar role as McGahee will in Philly. Its not the "beginning of the end" for McCoy and its not for Moreno.I really don't see a lot of the things that have been said "coming to pass". for every opinion on what Moreno is not (and was not last year), there are just as many opinions that LenDale was looking good the past few weeks and similar situaitons.And, truth be told, for as much dogpiling as has been on Moreno, the guy has put up the FF points. Yes, he has been hurt and so its easier for owenrs to get turned off and throw their hands up in the air on it but this is the same stuff people used to say about McFadden, Hillis, and lots of other guys in the past. Point being, NONE of us know when injuries may derail things but when he has been on the field, Moreno has been a good RB2 and I don't really think anyone could expect more from that from McGahee at this point. He's a guy that has been pushed to a backup role for 3 years now and hasn't overwhelmed anyone for a few seasons.

 

[krsone21]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

but was it Lammey's opinion that made the Bronco's go out and acquire Willis at the start of FA? Is it his opinion that is giving Willis carries in camp? is it his opinion that they seem to sharing the ball and that everything that has come out of camp states that it will be a job share?He's had his opinion for a while (since last year really) and so far pretty much everything he's said has come to pass. I think some people don't want to hear what he has to say. Listen to what he says, read what the coaches say, watch what the coaches do.

I don't think it takes a genius to figure out that Denver was going to go out and get another RB. Fox likes to have two runningbacks because he runs the ball alot.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.

Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

but was it Lammey's opinion that made the Bronco's go out and acquire Willis at the start of FA? Is it his opinion that is giving Willis carries in camp? is it his opinion that they seem to sharing the ball and that everything that has come out of camp states that it will be a job share?He's had his opinion for a while (since last year really) and so far pretty much everything he's said has come to pass. I think some people don't want to hear what he has to say. Listen to what he says, read what the coaches say, watch what the coaches do.

Everyone knew the Broncos would not enter this year with the running back stable they had. They brought in a now soon to be 30 year old journeymen rb who will have some carries of course. Call it a split or call it what you want, but Moreno still will have every opportunity to carve out a larger role than the older McGahee.What about Lammey's opinion has come to pass about this situation that is proving McGahee will get majority of carries and Moreno is only a 3rd down back? I have heard what Fox has said, and have read some of Lammey's and others pieces on this situation. No one will know the percentage of touches for each guy until the season plays itself out. I just think it is premature to label Moreno as only a 3rd down back at this young stage of his career.

You are talking about a team and organization and countless reports that up until a few weeks ago was trading their starting QB from a year ago and giving the reigns to Tebow. So as I stated I will take Lammey's input as something I value, but will remember that it is also an opinionated report that could very well be wrong.

I've never been a huge fan of Willis McGahee's attitude, but he is far from a "journeyman" running back.He's gone over 1,000 yards rushing three times in his career, and over 1,000 yards combined four times. LINK

His yardage totals during the latter part of his stay in Baltimore were kept down by a time-share with Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain, but he's still scored an average of nearly nine (8.75) TDs per year he was in Baltimore. He has amassed 1540/6164/55 rushing and 164/1047/4 receiving during his seven year NFL career (~8.5 TDs per season) - these are NOT journeyman numbers.

He is quite capable of being a lead back in a committee, with Moreno as the scat-back/third-down back. And that is how this "work-share" looks to be shaping up.

I've talked to Cecil several times during training camp and he's told me how much better McGahee looks in practice than Moreno on more than one occasion. I trust his knowledge of all things Denver, and this isn't second-hand knowledge - he's been there, at the field, for all the workouts.

Barring injury to McGahee, he's going to be the main back for Denver this year.

 

[tim_whatley]

In real life, the facts of the matter are the Broncos did not get a "replacement-caliber" back to replace Moreno.

That all depends on your opinion of McGahee. It is a subjective statement, for certain.What is NOT a subjective statement is that Denver WANTED to get a "replacement-caliber back to replace Moreno". They tried hard to go DWILL but the price was just too high. So they ended up with McGahee, but that doesn't change the INTENT behind their search for another RB and doesn't change their OPINION for why they thought they needed a "replacement-caliber back to replace Moreno". Also what is NOT subjective is that McGahee is going to get first shot at GL carries. So what we have here is 1) A team that thought they needed a "replacement-caliber back" in the offseason 2)a team that brought in a RB and have stated the competition is open for starting RB 3) said team has already stated they will give the GL carries to the new guy 4) almost all reports out of training camp from multiple sources say the new guy looks better than the old guy 5) the old guy LOST weight and was already a poor tackle breaker 6)a new coach with a history of at the very least splitting time for his RBs.I'd say the folks expecting Moreno to maintain the lead RB jobs are thinking with their hearts and not with their heads.

 

[RBM]

He is quite capable of being a lead back in a committee, with Moreno as the scat-back/third-down back. And that is how this "work-share" looks to be shaping up.I've talked to Cecil several times during training camp and he's told me how much better McGahee looks in practice than Moreno on more than one occasion. I trust his knowledge of all things Denver, and this isn't second-hand knowledge - he's been there, at the field, for all the workouts.Barring injury to McGahee, he's going to be the main back for Denver this year.

Moreno isnt a scat back and it most definitely does not look to be shaping up that way. Are you just seeing imaginary things? I dont even have a horse in this race but cant let that one slide by.I cant take the Lammey stuff seriously because I do not think he is impartial when watching, just my opinion.

 

[bonesman]

Tim Tebow will probably be the Bronco's GL back.

 

[Zal]

Has Moreno fixed his upright running tendencies? That's been a knock on him so far...

 

[The Moz]

Moreno 700 yds ru 3 TD's 45 rec 380 yds 3 TD's

Willis 600 yds ru 7 TD's 25 rec 180 yds 1 TD

When had Moreno looked anything but average as a runner? He is a solid receiver IMO though. McGahee when healthy can be a pretty decent runner and at least better than Moreno and also Willis is a solid receiver as well. I think a 60/40 split for Moreno but Willis making more of his touches

 

[ScottyDog]

The SHARK move here is Jeremiah Johnson

 

[Late225]

RE: Johnson - go on....

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's John Clayton confirms Knowshon Moreno is having his best training camp as a pro.

Moreno arrived to camp in tip-top shape, and he's managed to avoid the nagging injuries that plagued him in August of the past two seasons. Though Willis McGahee is looming should Moreno stumble early on, there's also breakout potential with coach John Fox aiming to run the ball 30 times per game.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

I totally agree.I love Lammey's camp coverage as well as his input. But it appears he has made his mind up about Moreno and is giving him very little credit as a player going forward.

Even if you read his camp notes, he will give Moreno back handed compliments. Stuff like he made a nice cut and read the lane, but did not have the proper footing to really execute it. Or he caught the ball so well, which will be his role as he is a 3rd down mold.

but was it Lammey's opinion that made the Bronco's go out and acquire Willis at the start of FA? Is it his opinion that is giving Willis carries in camp? is it his opinion that they seem to sharing the ball and that everything that has come out of camp states that it will be a job share?He's had his opinion for a while (since last year really) and so far pretty much everything he's said has come to pass. I think some people don't want to hear what he has to say. Listen to what he says, read what the coaches say, watch what the coaches do.

Everyone knew the Broncos would not enter this year with the running back stable they had. They brought in a now soon to be 30 year old journeymen rb who will have some carries of course. Call it a split or call it what you want, but Moreno still will have every opportunity to carve out a larger role than the older McGahee.What about Lammey's opinion has come to pass about this situation that is proving McGahee will get majority of carries and Moreno is only a 3rd down back? I have heard what Fox has said, and have read some of Lammey's and others pieces on this situation. No one will know the percentage of touches for each guy until the season plays itself out. I just think it is premature to label Moreno as only a 3rd down back at this young stage of his career.

You are talking about a team and organization and countless reports that up until a few weeks ago was trading their starting QB from a year ago and giving the reigns to Tebow. So as I stated I will take Lammey's input as something I value, but will remember that it is also an opinionated report that could very well be wrong.

I've never been a huge fan of Willis McGahee's attitude, but he is far from a "journeyman" running back.He's gone over 1,000 yards rushing three times in his career, and over 1,000 yards combined four times. LINK

His yardage totals during the latter part of his stay in Baltimore were kept down by a time-share with Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain, but he's still scored an average of nearly nine (8.75) TDs per year he was in Baltimore. He has amassed 1540/6164/55 rushing and 164/1047/4 receiving during his seven year NFL career (~8.5 TDs per season) - these are NOT journeyman numbers.

He is quite capable of being a lead back in a committee, with Moreno as the scat-back/third-down back. And that is how this "work-share" looks to be shaping up.

I've talked to Cecil several times during training camp and he's told me how much better McGahee looks in practice than Moreno on more than one occasion. I trust his knowledge of all things Denver, and this isn't second-hand knowledge - he's been there, at the field, for all the workouts.

Barring injury to McGahee, he's going to be the main back for Denver this year.

I guess I should rephrase my "journeyman" label. I guess I was getting that at this stage of his career after not playing the lead role for 3 years that I see him as now a journeyman guy.You can argue McGahee's numbers were hurt by playing behind Rice and McClain but he has had an up and down career and when you analyze his per game numbers you get....

McGahee's numbers

105 games for his career thus far

Rushing

14.5 rushes per game

58.7 rushing yards per game

4.0 yard per carry

.52 td's per game

Receiving

1.6 receptions per game

6.4 yard per catch

.03 td's per catch

Moreno's numbers per game

29 games for his career thus far

Rushing

14.8 rushes per game

59.5 rushing yards per game

4.0 yards per game

.41 td's per game

Receiving

2.24 receptions per game

9.0 yards per game

.17 tds per catch

I would argue Moreno has not played his best football yet, while McGahee's better days are behind him.

 

[mcintyre1]

Am I the only one that was impressed with Moreno in the first pre-season game? Over in the Lammey thread they're cracking jokes about Moreno's spin moves, but Moreno used that spin move to turn a 1 yard loss into a six yard gain on the first series.

For those that haven't gotten a chance to see the series, I'll do a quick play-by-play for plays that involved Moreno and McGahee:

2nd and 10: Moreno takes the ball inside behind the right guard, moves past the defender on the ground, shrugs off a tackle by an unblocked Sean Lee 1 yard past the line of scrimmage and falls forward for a gain of 3 yards

3rd and 6: Moreno lines up to Orton's right in the shotgun. Heavy blitz by the Cowboys, two rushers through the line unblocked. Moreno steps up to meet the inside rusher and stones him. Orton completes the pass before the outside free rusher can close the gap.

1st and 10: Moreno runs a short hook route out of the backfield. Orton can't find anyone open, dumps the pass to Moreno 4 yards past the line of scrimmage where Moreno is immediately met by Sean Lee and another LB. Moreno manages to get 3 more yards before he is brought down.

2nd and 3: Singleback set w/ Moreno. Moreno starts left, C gets stuffed blocking left, Moreno cuts right for the first down before meeting 3 Dallas defenders. Moreno falls forward for 2 more yards after initial contact.

1st and 10: McGahee lined up with a fullback to the strongside. The hole should be off the RG where the fullback fills, but McGahee can't sneak through the gap before the defenders close it. McGahee hops left just behind the LOS but finds two Dallas defenders in the hole, he lower his shoulder and leans toward his RT and the whole jumbled mess fall forward forward for a gain of 5-6 behind McGahee's mass and the RT's final push the lifted the DE up on his heels.

2nd and 4 (announcers call it 2nd a 5): McGahee single back. Play is designed to follow RG but the hole isn't there. McGahee cuts left 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage, but stumbles dangerously close to the NT. The C keeps him engaged just long enough for McGahee to regain his footing and takes off into the open field. Lloyd makes a solid block but can't keep his man engaged, forcing McGahee to initially cut left, then back right before caught by a chasing LB and the CB for a gain of 12.

1st and 10: Moreno in the off-set I, Heavy set, two TE's to the right. The left side of the line + the C blow a hole right up the gut. The RG and RT are unable to beat their DE, who goes to the ground right in the hole 1 yard behind the LOS with room for the play to bounce left. At the same instant, LB Sean Lee fills the gap untouched. Moreno stop on a dime and spins to the left with the DE grabbing at his leg right leg. Sean Lee can't match the move but gets an arm on Moreno, but the spin move causes Lee's arm to slide down Moreno's back. Moreno takes off up the field as the SS closes. Moreno absorbs the contact while the FS joins and drives the pile for a gain of 7 yards.

2nd and 3: Moreno Single back. Gaping hole off RG. As Moreno reaches the LOS, the RT loses his block and Moreno breaks an arm tackle from the DE without losing any forward momentum by dipping his shoulder. He gets another 5 yards before being met by a the other DE, a LB, and the SS. The four of them fall forward for another half yard and a total gain of 6 yards.

1st and Goal (from the 3): McGahee is met immediately 4 yards in the backfield.

Overall, I was much more impressed with Moreno. Additionally, Moreno got more carries as well as getting the first carries. He ceded to McGahee on 1st and 2nd down in goal-to-go situations, but Moreno returned on 3rd down.

 

[RBM]

Rotoworld:ESPN's John Clayton confirms Knowshon Moreno is having his best training camp as a pro.Moreno arrived to camp in tip-top shape, and he's managed to avoid the nagging injuries that plagued him in August of the past two seasons. Though Willis McGahee is looming should Moreno stumble early on, there's also breakout potential with coach John Fox aiming to run the ball 30 times per game.

Hard to run the ball 30x a game when you are getting your ### kicked all over the field. Broncos will win 4-5 games max this year

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

very informative and well laid out post mcintyre1

 

[Steelers4Life]

Rotoworld:ESPN's John Clayton confirms Knowshon Moreno is having his best training camp as a pro.Moreno arrived to camp in tip-top shape, and he's managed to avoid the nagging injuries that plagued him in August of the past two seasons. Though Willis McGahee is looming should Moreno stumble early on, there's also breakout potential with coach John Fox aiming to run the ball 30 times per game.

How can that be? I mean, if Lamney says Moreno looks awful, how can Moreno be having a good camp?There are other reports out there that Moreno looks faster, stronger, and more explosive this year than he has in the past from very reliable sources. People will believe what they want to believe though. Whether it's because he's actually healthy or the dropped weight, who knows. But any way you cut it, Moreno has a shot to be a yardage machine who scores a TD maybe every other game, and that still leaves plenty of touches for McGahee near the goal line and if the Broncos are ever running out the clock. Moreno is going to be excellent value this year.

 

[bonesman]

How can that be? I mean, if Lamney says Moreno looks awful, how can Moreno be having a good camp?

Because for Moreno, being on the field and not on the trainer's table is considered a good camp.

 

[ProBowler88]

Per The Denver Post:

The Broncos used Willis McGahee in goal-line situations in practice on Tuesday ahead of Knowshon Moreno, and both running backs have worked with the first team during training camp. "They can both do everything. They can both run inside, they can both run outside, they can both catch the ball really well. I enjoy having both of them back there," QB Kyle Orton said. "It's really easy to see you need two backs in this league. I don't think there is a good running team out there that only has one back."

 

[T with T]

In real life, the facts of the matter are the Broncos did not get a "replacement-caliber" back to replace Moreno.

That all depends on your opinion of McGahee. It is a subjective statement, for certain.What is NOT a subjective statement is that Denver WANTED to get a "replacement-caliber back to replace Moreno". They tried hard to go DWILL but the price was just too high. So they ended up with McGahee, but that doesn't change the INTENT behind their search for another RB and doesn't change their OPINION for why they thought they needed a "replacement-caliber back to replace Moreno". Also what is NOT subjective is that McGahee is going to get first shot at GL carries. So what we have here is 1) A team that thought they needed a "replacement-caliber back" in the offseason 2)a team that brought in a RB and have stated the competition is open for starting RB 3) said team has already stated they will give the GL carries to the new guy 4) almost all reports out of training camp from multiple sources say the new guy looks better than the old guy 5) the old guy LOST weight and was already a poor tackle breaker 6)a new coach with a history of at the very least splitting time for his RBs.I'd say the folks expecting Moreno to maintain the lead RB jobs are thinking with their hearts and not with their heads.

You are just plain not thinking period if you think Fodder Mcgahee at 30 was brought in to be anything more then a comp back to Moreno. Moreno will be great if he can stay healthy, and is a far better option for the running game then mcgahee... talking about inj Mcgahee gets hurt being a back up, so I don't want to hear Knowshon as being inj prone he has only played 2 years in the league. I think K. Moreno could break out in year 3 similar to DMAC, call me crazy but I like K. Moreno in round 4-5 as a rb2-3

 

[eakfootball]

Moreno is better than Lammey thinks.

Lammey is great, but he is a little bit too down on Moreno. He has said that he would take Tyrell Sutton and Jason Snelling over Moreno. I love Sutton, but he is nowhere near the back Moreno is. That being said Im still not touching Moreno in fantasy.

 

[T with T]

jason snelling???? are u kidding me.. well if he said that I wouldn't take anything the clown said serious.. haha Jason snelling give me a break

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So far through 3 preseason games

Moreno:

20 carries for 98 yards, 4.9 ypc

4 receptions for 40 yards

0 td's

McGahee:

17 carries for 48 yards, 2.8 ypc

2 receptions for 33 yards

3 total td's

TD's may play a key here in giving McGahee any value, but Moreno has run well this preseason despite all the nay sayers, I think Moreno may leave McGahee in the dust sooner than later.

 

[moderated]

Moreno is looking very very good, the key for him is health.

Mcgahee is what most expected, an average rb with a declining skill set that still has a nose for the goal line.

I'm seeing a 70-30 split in their carries in favor of Moreno with Willis getting the td's.

 

[Kenny Powers]

IMO, Moreno is one of the more undervalued RBs this year. His production in his first 2 seasons has been consistent, and most seem to be projecting a decline in his numbers despite not playing 16 games in either of his first 2 seasons. I think his chances to be a Top 10 RB are minimal and less than most of the RBs around him, but he's a very safe pick where he's going, and the RB talent falls off a cliff not long after he goes.

That said, I do think McGahee is a great value pick late as well

 

[solorca]

From the moment John Fox and McGahee were in Denver, I've been telling everyone that McGahee will be the starting RB. John Fox loves the veteran guys and loves bruising and tough running backs even more. I may be wrong about this as well, but I think I read that Moreno isn't a great blocker, and if that is the case, then he will see even less playing time on a Fox team.

I would estimate the split at 70/30 for McGahee, and I wouldn't be surprised with more. This is just a educated gut feeling, based on nine years of watching Fox in Carolina.

 

[JAA]

So Willis wasnt good enough to be Rice's backup, but is going to Denver to take the starting job from Moreno.

Ok, got it

 

[Hendo]

From the moment John Fox and McGahee were in Denver, I've been telling everyone that McGahee will be the starting RB. John Fox loves the veteran guys and loves bruising and tough running backs even more. I may be wrong about this as well, but I think I read that Moreno isn't a great blocker, and if that is the case, then he will see even less playing time on a Fox team.I would estimate the split at 70/30 for McGahee, and I wouldn't be surprised with more. This is just a educated gut feeling, based on nine years of watching Fox in Carolina.

that's comical

 

[rascal]

I think it's going to be 60/40 with McGahee getting goal line carries. I think Moreno will finish close to 1000 total yards, but only 5 TDs. I think McGahee will get 500 yards but probably 8 TDs.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Fox loves running the ball, and he is as close to a traditional run first type of coach as there is the NFL right now. Therefore both of these guys could have value as Orton is a more than adequate qb that will allow the broncos to have some chances to use both of these guys at different times.

Barring injury I don't know how Moreno who is running with the first team and playing well through preseason won't have over 1000 combined yards. He has already proven to do this his first 2 years in the league and by all accounts and indications he has improved as a player heading into this year.

McGahee is a hard nose runner and a nice compliment to the now better runner in Moreno. Moreno as of right now seems to be a safe pick as a RB 2 that can be drafted as a RB 3 in many drafts.

 

[bonesman]

So far through 3 preseason gamesMoreno: 20 carries for 98 yards, 4.9 ypc4 receptions for 40 yards0 td'sMcGahee:17 carries for 48 yards, 2.8 ypc2 receptions for 33 yards3 total td's TD's may play a key here in giving McGahee any value, but Moreno has run well this preseason despite all the nay sayers, I think Moreno may leave McGahee in the dust sooner than later.

could the YPC disparity be due to the situations McGahee has been used ?(short yardage and GL)

 

[solorca]

From the moment John Fox and McGahee were in Denver, I've been telling everyone that McGahee will be the starting RB. John Fox loves the veteran guys and loves bruising and tough running backs even more. I may be wrong about this as well, but I think I read that Moreno isn't a great blocker, and if that is the case, then he will see even less playing time on a Fox team.I would estimate the split at 70/30 for McGahee, and I wouldn't be surprised with more. This is just a educated gut feeling, based on nine years of watching Fox in Carolina.

that's comical

So is starting Deshaun Foster over DeAngelo Williams for two seasons, but Fox did it. The only advantage that Moreno has in this situation is that neither guy has played for Fox in the past. I'm not saying that it's a guarantee Mcgahee will be the bell cow, but based on my experience with Fox as the coach of the Panthers, it's definitely his style.

 

[meanjoegreen]

From the moment John Fox and McGahee were in Denver, I've been telling everyone that McGahee will be the starting RB. John Fox loves the veteran guys and loves bruising and tough running backs even more. I may be wrong about this as well, but I think I read that Moreno isn't a great blocker, and if that is the case, then he will see even less playing time on a Fox team.I would estimate the split at 70/30 for McGahee, and I wouldn't be surprised with more. This is just a educated gut feeling, based on nine years of watching Fox in Carolina.

that's comical

So is starting Deshaun Foster over DeAngelo Williams for two seasons, but Fox did it. The only advantage that Moreno has in this situation is that neither guy has played for Fox in the past. I'm not saying that it's a guarantee Mcgahee will be the bell cow, but based on my experience with Fox as the coach of the Panthers, it's definitely his style.

I'm a Panther fan, and I'm of the opinion Foster should have been the starter over Williams those two years, because Williams was not ready.

 

[cubbie5150]

So far through 3 preseason gamesMoreno: 20 carries for 98 yards, 4.9 ypc4 receptions for 40 yards0 td'sMcGahee:17 carries for 48 yards, 2.8 ypc2 receptions for 33 yards3 total td's TD's may play a key here in giving McGahee any value, but Moreno has run well this preseason despite all the nay sayers, I think Moreno may leave McGahee in the dust sooner than later.

could the YPC disparity be due to the situations McGahee has been used ?(short yardage and GL)

Too lazy to look, but I'd guess so. At such a small sample size, it would take only a few short yardage/goal line carries to pull McGahee's avg down. Still, I agree w/ the take that Moreno will be the "lead" back in this RBBC. I got McGahee late in my main league under the belief he'll get maybe a few starts for me at Flex

 

[bonesman]

mmmeh.... watching a replay of the game vs Seattle yesterday and McGahee has had a 3rd and long carry (gained 1 or 2 yds) and Moreno has had a 3rd and 1 (stuffed/no gain) and a first and goal, so their roles haven't been exclusive.

It's looking to me like 55/45 until injury forces the load on the healthier back.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

1-10-DEN18 (7:48) W.McGahee up the middle to DEN 20 for 2 yards

3-23-DEN5 (6:44) W.McGahee up the middle to DEN 10 for 5 yards

2-3-SEA9 (14:23) W.McGahee up the middle to SEA 7 for 2 yards

3-1-SEA7 (13:45) W.McGahee right tackle to SEA 4 for 3 yards

2-2-SEA2 (12:32) W.McGahee left tackle for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

2-10-SEA45 (7:07) W.McGahee left tackle to SEA 39 for 6 yards

1-10-DEN46 (4:33) W.McGahee right tackle to DEN 45 for -1 yards

2-11-DEN45 (3:49) W.McGahee up the middle to SEA 49 for 6 yards

4-1-SEA45 (2:37) W.McGahee up the middle to SEA 45 for no gain

2-10-DEN15 (12:38) W.McGahee right guard to DEN 15 for no gain

2-25-DEN5 (14:22) K.Moreno right end to DEN 10 for 5 yards

1-10-DEN31 (12:01) K.Moreno right end to DEN 45 for 14 yards

1-10-DEN20 (3:05) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 28 for 8 yards

2-2-DEN28 (2:40) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 34 for 6 yards

1-10-SEA49 (1:29) K.Moreno up the middle to SEA 47 for 2 yards

2-10-SEA42 (1:05) K.Moreno right guard to SEA 40 for 2 yards

1-4-SEA4 (13:10) K.Moreno left end to SEA 2 for 2 yards

3-1-DEN39 (10:22) K.Moreno right guard to DEN 39 for no gain

1-10-DEN11 (1:00) Direction Change K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 18 for 7 yards

2-12-DEN23 19) (Shotgun) K.Orton pass short middle to K.Moreno to DEN 34 for 11 yards

 

[krugoh]

Snagged McGahee in the 12th round of my 12 team draft (non-ppr) this past weekend.

Having him as my RB4, and seeing him get the goal line TDs is enough for me. I just don't see how people can make the call of % in split between the 2 backs before the season starts. I just don't let preseason hold too much water, but I think we can all agree that McGahee goal line carries translates into a cheaper version of Mike Tolbert.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Snagged McGahee in the 12th round of my 12 team draft (non-ppr) this past weekend.Having him as my RB4, and seeing him get the goal line TDs is enough for me. I just don't see how people can make the call of % in split between the 2 backs before the season starts. I just don't let preseason hold too much water, but I think we can all agree that McGahee goal line carries translates into a cheaper version of Mike Tolbert.

Got him in the 10th as my RB4, and he was easily the best RB still there IMO. Im not buying into the he'll be starting over Knowshon chatter, but I do think he will be getting more touches than a lot of people realize, and certainly the GL looks.

 

[Chaka]

I think it's going to be 60/40 with McGahee getting goal line carries. I think Moreno will finish close to 1000 total yards, but only 5 TDs. I think McGahee will get 500 yards but probably 8 TDs.

That sounds about right.